On 17 May 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: > On Fri, 17 May 2002, "Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > * mutt > > > > Works well with Hebrew if you use an appropriate editor (such as vim) > > and a viewer (such as bidiv). > > Note that editing Hebrew with Vim is a bit different than using a bidi > > editor, since you have to manually switch direction yourself (usually with > > a single key) while editing. > > So, basically, what you're saying is that one has to switch editor > and a pager (the later not provided by my operating system, Debian > Sid, and the former one which I stopped using a long time ago after > the undo editing annoyedme) to have the pleasure of viewing/edting > Hebrew. Yeah, that makes sense.
What pager and editor do you use, then? In what environment do you normally work? (X/remote shell/console? x: what desktop? remote shell: what termianl?) > > > Heck, with Pine there's the same problem/solution: the visual-order Hebrew > > pine should not be used because the standard it considers Hebrew never > > caught on. You should only write in logical-order Hebrew, iso-8859-8-i or > > utf8. > > Pine is irrelevant, as it is not free software. People using non-free > software should not expect to be coddled here. > > > > * nvi -- not supporting > > > > So use vim... > > No, I want to use nvi. I switched. I see no reason to switch back. > > > > * nano -- not supporting > > > * joe -- not supporting > > > * jed -- not supporting) > > > > Do you really *have* to use those to edit Hebrew emails? > > "Have"? No, I can also type the bits directly into the CPU, I guess. > Some people do use these editors. > > > > If you do use Hebrew, which encoding would you use? Win-1255? ISO-8859-8? > > > UTF-8? > > > >It doesn't matter, all utilities should be able to handle both standard > > encodings (Win-1255 isn't a standard; don't use it). win1255 is standard. See, e.g. HTML 4.0 > > So we won't be able to read people who send Hebrew e-mail from MS Outlook. > *That* will make the instructions of which language to use crystal > clear, won't it? > > > How about creating a Hebrew mailing list in addition to this one, and > > see how it picks up? > > Go ahead. Me, I think if you really wanted to make Hebrew you could > supply patches for all programs supported above. Until all software > will support bidi natively (and yes, bash has to do that for > pms/mh users) then Hebrew e-mail will still remain a non-option > in GNU. For me pine/mutt+bidiv/vim/biditext-xterm works well enough. Maybe you'll be able to use it without patching nvi (if it has proper locale support to allow yu to type Hebrew into it) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
