> > Personally, I consider every effort to quietly redefine elements of > language > to suit a particular set of political, economic, or personal objectives to > be > concerning
As do I. I guess my argument is that this isn't what is happening when some email marketer says "double opt in" or "cold outreach." If you're someone who hasn't spent a great deal of time thinking about the world's spam problem or haven't really given much thought to the consequences of *not *requiring some kind of confirmation before adding an address to your mailing list, the term double opt in makes sense. Should they be corrected? Sure. Should they be taught that "double opt in" isn't actually accurate because the recipient is only opting in once. Sure. Do they deserve to be labeled a spammer or be told they are talking like a spammer? No. Is it some kind of concerted effort to normalize spammy behavior? No. I don't like the terms double opt in or cold outreach either and I don't use them. But I don't think the term "spamspeak" and the allusion to 1984 is appropriate. Luke On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 10:06 AM Michael Rathbun <m...@honet.com> wrote: > On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 08:14:16 -0700, Luke via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > wrote: > > >I did intend to send it to the whole list. > > > >"Spamspeak" makes it sound so clandestine. So Orwellian. Like there is > some > >> subversive element on the list trying to turn the tides and normalize > spam. > >> Sounds spooky. Sounds provocative. Let's run with this. > >> *Rolls eyes* > > > > > >But yes, I was poking fun at the use of the term spamspeak. The allusion > to > >1984's newspeak or doublespeak is silly. > > I have seldom been accused of being overly serious. > > >If alluding to 1984 in the context of permission based email isn't a > little > >funny to you, then I apologize for my remarks. > > Personally, I consider every effort to quietly redefine elements of > language > to suit a particular set of political, economic, or personal objectives to > be > concerning, however "funny" they may appear at the onset. (I leave out of > the > discussion the fact that I once had a role in a stage production of "1984" > that made me more than slightly well-acquainted with that work.) > > Rob's remarks were, to my knowledge, accurate and apposite. > > mdr > -- > Those who can make you believe absurdities > can make you commit atrocities. > -- Voltaire > >
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