“…I am hoping in a loophole around the speed of light!….” – CB

I listened to the author a few years back on C-SPAN. Quite bright and
interesting. If you want to feed your ‘wishful thinking’, you may
enjoy it.

http://www.amazon.com/Faster-Than-Speed-Light-Speculation/dp/0738205257

Yes, Culver had it’s high and low aspects. I did like running up to
the topgallant!


On Nov 7, 1:22 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Plotinus! i know that name:) Atomism... we really need to change the
> thread on this one some time.  I circle around string/branes just
> because I am hoping in a loophole around the speed of light! wishful
> thinking but you never know...
>
> the other link about Culver Academy looks interesting.  Sending
> daughter to CampQuest when she is old enough..
>
> got to go...have nice weekend Orn:)
>
> On Nov 6, 3:47 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > “Naive longing for an apparently different person?” – CB
>
> > It appears to me that many who say they are feeling romantic are in
> > fact just projecting upon what they see as a ‘separate’ person their
> > inner longing to the ‘return’ I later talked about.
>
> > “Romance as I see it is the chemical processes that create longing/
> > desire...Help?” – CB
>
> > Well, the best help I can come up with at the moment is that that
> > which decided to make that analysis about romance and chemical
> > processes was not mere chemical processes. Nor was it mere longing/
> > desire.
>
> >  “ARE we getting into time here?” – CB
>
> > Not exactly.
>
> > “ Eternity? Is time only measurable in local reference?” – CB
>
> > Relativity has it’s function and is not the all.
>
> > “We don't have the capacity to measure eternity do we?” – CB
>
> > With what would you even try to measure it? This is my point.
>
> > “ I smell string theory!” – CB
>
> > While I have dabbled a very little with strings/m-branes etc., no, as
> > interesting as the ancient math, which is at the foundation of the
> > current mental machinations about ‘strings’, I left math behind when I
> > recognized it’s subjective nature. And, after the 28 pages of text and
> > 2 weeks of class proving 1+1=2.
>
> > “…not sure what you mean by reference to the one. Is that the particle
> > theory that there is a smallest of particles in everything in the
> > universe? Set me some markers for this one and I will happily
> > follow:)” – CB
>
> > Well, not sure you will want to. And, while uncertainty and differing
> > forms of atomism, new and old are of interest to me, I was pointing at
> > the absolute. Since we are using words here to communicate, I won’t
> > immediately retreat into negative theology. The entire notion has been
> > known and approached ‘forever’. For a quick overview from one ancient
> > source of this hypostasis, see:http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinus.htm
>
> > So, thanks for your willingness to come this far. Not being
> > evangelical nor theistic, I make no demands upon the length of your
> > ‘trip’ into these waters. : - )
>
> > On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Naive longing for an apparently different person? not sure what you mean
> > > there.  Rephrase? Romance as I see it is the chemical processes that 
> > > create
> > > longing/desire...Help?
>
> > > ARE we getting into time here? Eternity? Is time only measurable in local
> > > reference? We don't have the capacity to measure eternity do we? I smell
> > > string theory!  not sure what you mean by reference to the one.  Is that 
> > > the
> > > particle theory that there is a smallest of particles in everything in the
> > > universe? Set me some markers for this one and I will happily follow:)
>
> > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:30 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > "…romance is ephemeral at best,…" – CB
>
> > > > IF by 'romance' you mean the naïve longing for an apparently different
> > > > person, of course you are correct. ALL things have a beginning, middle
> > > > and end. However, IF one is searching for the return to 'the One',
> > > > then it is a proposition having to do with eternity.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 12:06 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > I might also add, I think I am becoming a sourpuss, or at least the 
> > > > > kind
> > > > of
> > > > > person that believes romance is ephemeral at best, therefore, 
> > > > > unlikely to
> > > > > continue throught time with the same strength, but an ebb and flow...
> > > > > Sometimes the flow goes down the drain!!
>
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:58 PM, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > NICE................
>
> > > > > > Romantic fantasies? too bad so many logicians view emotion as
> > > > > > weakness...instead of examining them, and reveling in them! Control,
> > > > > > control, control!  Logic, logic, logic!  Methinks it gets worn thin,
> > > > dry,
> > > > > > and not fun:)  Ha, ironic that a logic machine takes us to the moon
> > > > while
> > > > > > the astronauts heart is blazing.  They seem to do best if wrapped
> > > > together!
>
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > > >> Truth is I saw precious little eye contact. And, it was a different
> > > > > >> era... much easier to hold romantic fantasies within one's reverie.
>
> > > > > >> By the way Ezio, as well as Mary of course, was well known in that
> > > > > >> era. I remember all of this! : - )
>
> > > > > >> And then the musical association from Gigi arose… "Ah, Yes, I 
> > > > > >> Remember
> > > > > >> It Well". A truly simpler and more naïve time… for many of us in 
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> US.
>
> > > > > >>http://er.neoxer.com/lyrics/gigi.html
>
> > > > > >> On Nov 6, 10:21 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >> > Did you see how the dude was looking at her? I can't help but 
> > > > > >> > think
> > > > he
> > > > > >> was
> > > > > >> > imagining an alien under her skin! I laughed out of my chair:)
>
> > > > > >> > Liked it though.
>
> > > > > >> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > > Bliss!!!!
>
> > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qpQb11YWc
>
> > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOG2x6xhbhM
>
> > > > > >> > > On Nov 6, 9:43 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > Irrevocably romantic, but I don't like it that way most of 
> > > > > >> > > > the
> > > > > >> time:)
> > > > > >> > > But,
> > > > > >> > > > saying that, admit I can explore emotion without losing my 
> > > > > >> > > > grand
> > > > > >> anchor
> > > > > >> > > of
> > > > > >> > > > logic!
>
> > > > > >> > > > Yes, lyrics are spot on.  Some consider it naivete and
> > > > illogical.
> > > > > >>  It has
> > > > > >> > > > always kept me from giving up:)  Music! ah, my favorite
> > > > emotional
> > > > > >> > > vehicle.
> > > > > >> > > > Words and music together? BLISS!
>
> > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > > >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > > > > "…Yes, an optimist to the core:)" – CB
>
> > > > > >> > > > > Yes, I hesitated because of the current feeling of 'hope'.
> > > > > >> However, I
> > > > > >> > > > > know it is temporary.
> > > > > >> > > > > A song came to mind for 'ya.' I remember when the musical
> > > > first
> > > > > >> came
> > > > > >> > > > > out. I liked this and the rest of 'em too.
>
> > > >http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/acockeyedoptimist.htm
>
> > > > > >> > > > > "…weaknesses in space, as we don't have enough research on 
> > > > > >> > > > > it
> > > > > >> yet." –
> > > > > >> > > > > CB
>
> > > > > >> > > > > While I do understand what you mean here, I disagree. The
> > > > > >> 'research'
> > > > > >> > > > > to date all points one way.
>
> > > > > >> > > > > "…Just think how different that humanity would 
> > > > > >> > > > > be...Spacers."
> > > > – CB
>
> > > > > >> > > > > Again, while I love SF too, …………..
>
> > > > > >> > > > > "…Syonara Blue Planet:)" – CB
>
> > > > > >> > > > > First, I didn't miss all of your 'if's used prior to this.
> > > > > >> Secondly,
> > > > > >> > > > > even IF this were possible and humanity doesn't destroy 
> > > > > >> > > > > itself
> > > > > >> soon, I
> > > > > >> > > > > would draw an analogy with the leak at Sverdlovsk in 1979.
>
> > > > > >> > > > > "…my sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all
> > > > happen.
> > > > > >> Ah,
> > > > > >> > > > > well:)" – CB
>
> > > > > >> > > > > Ahhh, a romantic too, eh?!  : - )
>
> > > > > >>http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/someenchantedevening.htm
>
> > > > > >> > > > > On Nov 6, 9:05 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > > > It does not matter if I like the answer - just that I get
> > > > one:)
> > > > > >> > >  Funny,
> > > > > >> > > > > last
> > > > > >> > > > > > week I would have agreed with you about the diminishing 
> > > > > >> > > > > > role
> > > > of
> > > > > >> US in
> > > > > >> > > > > > space.  Now, I will take a rain check on it and see what
> > > > gives
> > > > > >> in the
> > > > > >> > > > > next
> > > > > >> > > > > > four.  Yes, an optimist to the core:)
>
> > > > > >> > > > > > Woman in space? I know we can take higher sustained G's, 
> > > > > >> > > > > > but
> > > > had
> > > > > >> not
> > > > > >> > > > > > lent credence to proposed weaknesses in space, as we 
> > > > > >> > > > > > don't
> > > > have
> > > > > >> > > enough
> > > > > >> > > > > > research on it yet.  Adaptation in space is buggers for
> > > > anyone
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> > > only a
> > > > > >> > > > > > generational route can make that adaptation feasible
> > > > physically
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> > > > > > psychologically.  I mean, how are they going to get 
> > > > > >> > > > > > around
> > > > bone
> > > > > >> > > density?
> > > > > >> > > > > one
> > > > > >> > > > > > avenue is genetic engineering to evolve a musculoskeletal
> > > > human
> > > > > >> that
> > > > > >> > > can
> > > > > >> > > > > > take deep space.  Could never stand Earth G afterword
> > > > though, so
> > > > > >> > > space
> > > > > >> > > > > would
> > > > > >> > > > > > be your home.  Just think how different that humanity 
> > > > > >> > > > > > would
> > > > > >> > > be...Spacers.
>
> > > > > >> > > > > > One thing that I hope develops quickly is this composite
> > > > NASA
> > > > > >> has
> > > > > >> > > been
> > > > > >> > > > > > working on (for years) that combats radiation.  NO ONE is
> > > > going
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >> > > last
> > > > > >> > > > > out
> > > > > >> > > > > > there
>
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