Good: let A4A & NBAA bother each other, for a change. TR
---------------------------------------- *From: *RWM--- via Mifnet <[email protected]> *To: *[email protected] *CC: *[email protected] <[email protected]> *Date: *2025-08-12T12:06:09Z *Subject: *[Mifnet 🛰 73597] Re: Who Pays for ATC? > Stirred the hornets’ nest, apparently. > > https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2025-08-11/nbaa-disputes-nyt-video-calling-faa-funding-changes > > - Bob Mann > >> On Aug 11, 2025, at 22:02, F. Scott Wilson via Mifnet >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>  Rob >> >> Prove it wrong. The corporate jet lobby has been a very quietly successful >> lobby. >> >> Scott >> >>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 9:20 PM, Robert Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>  >>> I have no idea where the NY Times got its data, but some of it is >>> definitely fluff. In the early days of the push for ATC privatization, the >>> airlines pushed the same silly tale. "Those biz jets don't pay enough ... >>> they're delaying our flights ... get them out of the way." >>> >>> BizAv pays what is required to pay. If someone wants to change the formula, >>> then go for it. Strange that the airlines complain about bizav always >>> getting in their way, but they've never been able to convince anyone else >>> their data are correct. Most bizav birds don't even use the same airports >>> the airlines do. >>> >>> So now, just because the NY Times makes a cute little video, citing not a >>> single source, everyone thinks they have proof of what they always "knew" >>> was happening anyway. Really? >>> >>> Give me a break. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> Rob Mark, /MRAeS/, & CEO, /CommAvia[http://www.commavia.com]/, /Creators of >>> leading-edge media for the aviation industry./ >>> 847-864-9780 (office) >>> 847-644-1575 (mobile) >>> 2400 Grant Street >>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 6:54 PM F. Scott Wilson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> No. Sold a lot of them. >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 7:48 PM, Robert Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>  >>>>> Hmmmm. Have you ever operated an aircraft in a business aviation >>>>> environment, Scott? >>>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rob Mark, /MRAeS/, & CEO, /CommAvia[http://www.commavia.com]/, /Creators >>>>> of leading-edge media for the aviation industry./ >>>>> 847-864-9780 (office) >>>>> 847-644-1575 (mobile) >>>>> 2400 Grant Street >>>>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 6:46 PM F. Scott Wilson via Mifnet >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> … >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Revised: 20250507 >> >> You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. >> >> The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't >> exactly cost-free. If you'd care to make a small contribution to the effort, >> please know that it would be greatly appreciated: >> https://wardell.us/url/mifbit >> >> All posts sent to the list should abide by these policies: >> >> 1) List members acknowledge that participation in Mifnet is a privilege--not >> a right. >> 2) Posts are always off the record, absent specific permission from the >> author. >> 3) The tone of discussions is collegial. >> 4) Posts are expected to be in reasonably good taste. >> 5) We discuss ideas and not personalities, and we don't speak ill of other >> Mifnet members. >> >> * The Mifnet WEB SITE is: >>  https://www.mifnet.com/ >> >> * To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at any time please visit: >>  https://lists.mifnet.com/ >>  OR: SEND THIS MESSAGE via email: >> [email protected]?subject=leave >> >> * Send Mifnet mailing list POSTS/SUBMISSIONS to: >>  [email protected] >> >> * You may reach the person managing The Mifnet at: >>  [email protected] >> >> * Please consider the DIGEST version of The Mifnet, which consolidates all >> list traffic into 1-3 >>  messages daily. See instructions at: >>  https://lists.mifnet.com/ >> >> * Manage your personal Mifnet SUBSCRIPTION at: >>  https://lists.mifnet.com/ >> >> * For a list of all available Mifnet commands, SEND THIS MESSAGE via email: >>  [email protected]?subject=help >> >> * View The Mifnet LIST POLICIES and PRIVACY POLICY at: >>  https://mifnet.com/index.php/policies >> >> * View instructions for Mifnet DELIVERY PROBLEMS at: >>  https://mifnet.com/index.php/delivery-problems >> >> * View The Mifnet LIST ARCHIVE at: >>  https://lists.mifnet.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/
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