Hi Rob, As always, I have profound respect and admiration for you and we have worked very well and closely through the years. But I'll politely challenge you on this point: Dominated by the airlines? That's not my recollection. Nor would it have been privatized ATC. The proposal (now a decade old) was to create a board of directors to oversee a nonprofit air traffic control organization. Board members would have been selected by the U.S. transportation secretary and the board would have been composed of organizations representing not just major airlines but private pilots, business aviation, air traffic controllers, airline pilots, and aerospace manufacturers.
Airlines would have selected just three members of the proposed 13-person board. Here is how Reuters reported the news of the legislation on June 21, 2017: "Congressman Shuster said airlines would have three seats on the 13-member board: one for major airlines, one for cargo carriers and one for regional airlines. The Trump administration has proposed giving airlines two seats on the board, while Shuster last year proposed giving airlines four seats. Shuster aims to address concerns among private plane owners and rural airports by barring the new air traffic control entity from charging general aviation operators user fees." Given my history with NATCA and working for their members during a time 23 years ago when the first-term President George W. Bush Administration DID propose actual privatization of more than 70 FAA ATC towers (turning them over to the privately run contract tower program), and when NATCA led the charge against ATC privatization for so many years, and for so many good reasons, it took a lot for both NATCA and myself personally to come to the conclusion a decade ago that changing the funding structure of the FAA was critically necessary. But we were convinced at that point - through dismay with Congressional dysfunction and inaction and perpetual shutdowns, shutdown threats, furloughs, and even sequestration - that the National Airspace System must have a stable, predictable funding stream. That search continues in earnest today. NATCA supported the proposal by Rep. Bill Shuster at the time because it meant having a seat at the table where these discussions were taking place, instead of just saying no to everything from outside the doors to the rooms where the future of ATC was being discussed and, therefore, having no voice whatsoever as this effort was taking shape. Below is the actual language from the proposed legislation outlining the makeup of the 13-member board referenced above: “§ 90306. Board of Directors “(a) Authority.—The powers of the Corporation shall be vested in a Board of Directors that governs the Corporation. “(b) Composition of Board.—The Board shall be composed of the following Directors: “(1) The CEO. “(2) 2 Directors appointed by the Secretary. “(3) 1 Director nominated by the Passenger Air Carrier Nomination Panel. “(4) 1 Director nominated by the Cargo Air Carrier Nomination Panel. “(5) 1 Director nominated by the Regional Air Carrier Nomination Panel. “(6) 1 Director nominated by the General Aviation Nomination Panel. “(7) 1 Director nominated by the Business Aviation Nomination Panel. “(8) 1 Director nominated by the Air Traffic Controller Nomination Panel. “(9) 1 Director nominated by the Airport Nomination Panel. “(10) 1 Director nominated by the Commercial Pilot Nomination Panel. “(11) 2 Directors nominated and selected by the other Directors. -Doug Church On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 10:09 AM Robert Mark via Mifnet < mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: > Lest you forget, the governing board for the planned private ATC system > was going to be dominated by the airlines. That is what the GA folks found > intolerable, not the money nessarily. > > Rob > > > > Rob Mark, *MRAeS*, & CEO, *CommAvia* <http://www.commavia.com>, *Creators > of leading-edge media for the aviation industry.* > 847-864-9780 (office) > 847-644-1575 (mobile) > 2400 Grant Street > Evanston, IL 60201 > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 08:56 Kathryn Creedy via Mifnet < > mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: > >> Bob Poole, you are, of course, right. While I want to see privatization, >> I don't think we will ever get there. Too bad. Cheers -- Kathryn >> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 9:10 AM Mike Borfitz via Mifnet < >> mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: >> >>> Guess you did, but isn't it interesting who pushed back. We live in a >>> movie. >>> Mike Borfitz >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 8:02 AM RWM--- via Mifnet < >>> mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Stirred the hornets’ nest, apparently. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2025-08-11/nbaa-disputes-nyt-video-calling-faa-funding-changes >>>> >>>> - Bob Mann >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 22:02, F. Scott Wilson via Mifnet < >>>> mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Prove it wrong. The corporate jet lobby has been a very quietly >>>> successful lobby. >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 9:20 PM, Robert Mark <rm...@commavia.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>  >>>> I have no idea where the NY Times got its data, but some of it is >>>> definitely fluff. In the early days of the push for ATC privatization, the >>>> airlines pushed the same silly tale. "Those biz jets don't pay enough ... >>>> they're delaying our flights ... get them out of the way." >>>> >>>> BizAv pays what is required to pay. If someone wants to change the >>>> formula, then go for it. Strange that the airlines complain about bizav >>>> always getting in their way, but they've never been able to convince anyone >>>> else their data are correct. Most bizav birds don't even use the same >>>> airports the airlines do. >>>> >>>> So now, just because the NY Times makes a cute little video, citing not >>>> a single source, everyone thinks they have proof of what they always "knew" >>>> was happening anyway. Really? >>>> >>>> Give me a break. >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> Rob Mark, *MRAeS*, & CEO, *CommAvia* <http://www.commavia.com>, *Creators >>>> of leading-edge media for the aviation industry.* >>>> 847-864-9780 (office) >>>> 847-644-1575 (mobile) >>>> 2400 Grant Street >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 6:54 PM F. Scott Wilson < >>>> fscottwil...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No. Sold a lot of them. >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 7:48 PM, Robert Mark <rm...@commavia.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>  >>>>> Hmmmm. Have you ever operated an aircraft in a business aviation >>>>> environment, Scott? >>>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rob Mark, *MRAeS*, & CEO, *CommAvia* <http://www.commavia.com>, *Creators >>>>> of leading-edge media for the aviation industry.* >>>>> 847-864-9780 (office) >>>>> 847-644-1575 (mobile) >>>>> 2400 Grant Street >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 6:46 PM F. Scott Wilson via Mifnet < >>>>> mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nail on head >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 7:35 PM, Robert Mark <rm...@commavia.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>  >>>>>> Awesome, Scott? In what way? Awesome, like it hits the nail right on >>>>>> the head, or missed it by a mile? >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob Mark, *MRAeS*, & CEO, *CommAvia* <http://www.commavia.com>, *Creators >>>>>> of leading-edge media for the aviation industry.* >>>>>> 847-864-9780 (office) >>>>>> 847-644-1575 (mobile) >>>>>> 2400 Grant Street >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 6:16 PM F. 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