Lest you forget, the governing board for the planned private ATC system was going to be dominated by the airlines. That is what the GA folks found intolerable, not the money nessarily.
Rob Rob Mark, *MRAeS*, & CEO, *CommAvia* <http://www.commavia.com>, *Creators of leading-edge media for the aviation industry.* 847-864-9780 (office) 847-644-1575 (mobile) 2400 Grant Street Evanston, IL 60201 On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 08:56 Kathryn Creedy via Mifnet < [email protected]> wrote: > Bob Poole, you are, of course, right. While I want to see privatization, I > don't think we will ever get there. Too bad. Cheers -- Kathryn > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 9:10 AM Mike Borfitz via Mifnet < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Guess you did, but isn't it interesting who pushed back. We live in a >> movie. >> Mike Borfitz >> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 8:02 AM RWM--- via Mifnet < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Stirred the hornets’ nest, apparently. >>> >>> >>> https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2025-08-11/nbaa-disputes-nyt-video-calling-faa-funding-changes >>> >>> - Bob Mann >>> >>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 22:02, F. Scott Wilson via Mifnet < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> Prove it wrong. The corporate jet lobby has been a very quietly >>> successful lobby. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 9:20 PM, Robert Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>  >>> I have no idea where the NY Times got its data, but some of it is >>> definitely fluff. In the early days of the push for ATC privatization, the >>> airlines pushed the same silly tale. "Those biz jets don't pay enough ... >>> they're delaying our flights ... get them out of the way." >>> >>> BizAv pays what is required to pay. If someone wants to change the >>> formula, then go for it. Strange that the airlines complain about bizav >>> always getting in their way, but they've never been able to convince anyone >>> else their data are correct. Most bizav birds don't even use the same >>> airports the airlines do. >>> >>> So now, just because the NY Times makes a cute little video, citing not >>> a single source, everyone thinks they have proof of what they always "knew" >>> was happening anyway. Really? >>> >>> Give me a break. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> Rob Mark, *MRAeS*, & CEO, *CommAvia* <http://www.commavia.com>, *Creators >>> of leading-edge media for the aviation industry.* >>> 847-864-9780 (office) >>> 847-644-1575 (mobile) >>> 2400 Grant Street >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 6:54 PM F. Scott Wilson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> No. Sold a lot of them. >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 7:48 PM, Robert Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>  >>>> Hmmmm. Have you ever operated an aircraft in a business aviation >>>> environment, Scott? >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> Rob Mark, *MRAeS*, & CEO, *CommAvia* <http://www.commavia.com>, *Creators >>>> of leading-edge media for the aviation industry.* >>>> 847-864-9780 (office) >>>> 847-644-1575 (mobile) >>>> 2400 Grant Street >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 6:46 PM F. Scott Wilson via Mifnet < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nail on head >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 7:35 PM, Robert Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>  >>>>> Awesome, Scott? In what way? Awesome, like it hits the nail right on >>>>> the head, or missed it by a mile? >>>>> >>>>> Rob Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rob Mark, *MRAeS*, & CEO, *CommAvia* <http://www.commavia.com>, *Creators >>>>> of leading-edge media for the aviation industry.* >>>>> 847-864-9780 (office) >>>>> 847-644-1575 (mobile) >>>>> 2400 Grant Street >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2400+Grant+Street+Evanston,+IL+60201?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 6:16 PM F. 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