Does it seem anachronistic if ATC services are charged by weight or by passenger/capacity when the blip handled by ATC is pretty much the same, other than when the bizjets fly faster at a higher altitude?
TR ---------------------------------------- *From: *Steve McBrien via Mifnet <[email protected]> *To: *[email protected] *CC: *Steve McBrien <[email protected]> *Date: *2025-08-12T15:03:26Z *Subject: *[Mifnet 🛰 73608] Re: Who Pays for ATC? > In what feels like a million years ago I was honored to serve on Norm > Minetta's panel that was looking at some of this stuff. I got to meet Bob > Poole at the time, and have enjoyed reading his posts on the Mifnet since > then. > > Back then the biz jet guys presented the same (misleading) arguments To > Manetta's panel that I see here as to why they shouldn't pay the same for ATC > services as the commercial guys. Saying that they don't use the same > airports is incredibly misleading. As an example, the "small" airports > (e.g.,Teterboro, Westchester, White Plains, Republic, and Long Island) in the > NYC area use the same airspace as the big guys from LGA, JFK, and EWR. Bob > P. had it right all those years ago, he still has it right. > > Steve McBrien > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 8:00 AM RWM--- via Mifnet <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Stirred the hornets’ nest, apparently. >> >> https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2025-08-11/nbaa-disputes-nyt-video-calling-faa-funding-changes >> >> - Bob Mann >> >>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 22:02, F. Scott Wilson via Mifnet >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> Prove it wrong. The corporate jet lobby has been a very quietly successful >>> lobby. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2025, at 9:20 PM, Robert Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>  >>>> I have no idea where the NY Times got its data, but some of it is >>>> definitely fluff. In the early days of the push for ATC privatization, the >>>> airlines pushed the same silly tale. "Those biz jets don't pay enough ... >>>> they're delaying our flights ... get them out of the way." >>>> >>>> BizAv pays what is required to pay. If someone wants to change the >>>> formula, then go for it. Strange that the airlines complain about bizav >>>> always getting in their way, but they've never been able to convince >>>> anyone else their data are correct. Most bizav birds don't even use the >>>> same airports the airlines do. >>>> >>>> So now, just because the NY Times makes a cute little video, citing not a >>>> single source, everyone thinks they have proof of what they always "knew" >>>> was happening anyway. Really? >>>> >>>> Give me a break. >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> Rob Mark, /MRAeS/, & CEO, /CommAvia[http://www.commavia.com]/, /Creators >>>> of leading-edge media for the aviation industry./ >>>> 847-864-9780 (office) >>>> 847-644-1575 (mobile) >>>> 2400 Grant Street >>>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 6:54 PM F. Scott Wilson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> No. Sold a lot of them. >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> … >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Revised: 20250507 >>> >>> You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. >>> >>> The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't >>> exactly cost-free. 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