I think we can teach phonics in a balanced approach to literacy instruction,
but need to think of it as a buffet--as long as no one is malnourished,
readers can pretty much select the dishes that work for them.

Lori


On 9/24/07 5:16 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I did not "get" phonics when I was learning to read...but I was a great reader
> anyway. I think that is why I don't see the point of insisting that all
> students learn through phonics. However, I have taught some students who
> needed the "rules" to learn to read. Keep in mind that it is a means to an
> end; it can be easily tested and mastered by most students. And then it is a
> valuable tool in learning to do "real" reading.
> 
> 
> 
> But comprehension is not easily taught or mastered... it is a process... and
> it is more challenging to teach...and?to measure.
> 
> 
> 
> Cathy
> 
> K-5 
> 
> DE
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group
> <mosaic@literacyworkshop.org>
> Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 1:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] spelling lists
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> In a message dated 9/20/2007 5:42:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> 
>> By the  way, I hate phonics. Could that be because that is not how I was
>> taught? Or  maybe because I moved ten times in six years and each school
>> district
>> did  something different? Or maybe because it feels  inauthentic?
>> 
> 
> Phonics is no different than any other skill.  The problem is some people
> don't stop and think about when and where teaching these skills are
> appropriate or no longer needed.  Phonics is great for K-3 for children
> learning to recognize words and word sounds, but once they've learned it,
> there's no need to beat a dead horse.  Same can be said  for just about
> anything:
> 
> AR is great for a kid who doesn't read because it makes the kid read....once
> he or she finds an author or genre they enjoy, they should be left to
> discover for themselves the fun in reading....not forced to read for points.
> I'm teaching mostly advanced classes this year, but too many of them think
> reading is only about points.  That's not a fault of the program, but a
> fault of the teaching.
> 
> Fluency is important for someone who reads one word at a time because it
> teaches them to group words in patterns that make sense, once a child "gets
> it" there's no need to pound in their heads, but many teachers confuse the
> act with the skill.  Too many teachers think fluency is about speed or AR is
> about points.  They are about helping kids.
> 
> The same thing happens with the reading strategies.  Some teach, for
> example, "visualization" and will spend a few lessons on the concept, but
> that isn't teaching for visualization.  Many teachers think that if they
> give the idea to the kids, the kids will asorb it somehow.  That's that
> "empty vessel waiting to be filled" philosophy that has permeated education
> since the dawn of time....that's one of the few pluses of state tests and
> collecting data....you can gear instruction for individual needs and
> weaknesses; if you truly teach a strategy, then it will become second
> nature.
> 
> The teaching materials / lessons / programs / etc. are only as good as the
> teacher....
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
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