...may be el cheapo, by comparison to those at Howard, but I've found the Aoyue 701A+ to be capable of easy and "surgical" desoldering. Only $159 at Amazon. Good build, and replacement parts are available, such as nozzles, tips, and mini sponges.
Andrew On 11/5/23 18:56, "Jim" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Pete, > > OK, the most important part is the pin spacing: .156", that is key to > everything. Next, the Molex Style is KK. > > Here in an ****example**** part #: Molex: 09-52-3103; Mouser # > 538-09-52-3103. > > This is a specific # for a 10 pin, PC card edge pin to mother board > solder in connector. They have various pin numbers available. From memory, > in certain cases I had to use combinations of connectors to come up with > the correct pin match. > > I'd suggest you take a look at the most common boards; the bus select and > the channel modules. Look at how many pins there are (usually broken into > sections) and find what the minimum number of connectors you'd need to use > for each board. > > This will change again when you get to the master section boards, aux, > tone, echo send, whatever. The actual master board (logic sections) are > wired differently, there are connectors on the end of cables that mate to > the board edge connectors. Save this section for last. > > So, take a look at what you have, see what is available and order up what > you need. I'd really suggest just doing the entire board. It will look > like a huge job, but if you break it down into sections and just do a > couple hours a day, it will eventually get done. > > My other suggestion is to look into a powered solder removal tool. BTW, > you do have a GOOD variable heat solder iron, yes? Check out: > > http://www.howardelectronics.com/ > > I get most of our shops' work stations, soldering, magnifiing, etc. > stuff here. > > http://www.howardelectronics.com/goot/tp100as.html > > and > > http://www.howardelectronics.com/den-on/sc7000.html > > are examples of the type of tool that is easy to use while on your back > looking up. These may seem expensive, but save a lot of time. Consider > it............. > > Just a few quick tips: > > 1. Eye protection!!!!!! Should be obvious....... > > 2. Very good light and magnification > > 3. A helper to gently press the connector down from above (they WILL end up > crooked if you don't) and to double check things. > > 4. Check all the "zero ohm" jumpers between the back plane board > sections............these look like little 1/4W resistors, but have no > resistance. They caused me many problems...........you can replace with the > same part or carefully use solid "bus wire". > > 5. Do a very good job removing ALL of the old solder AND flux! Old tooth > brushes work great; use de-natured alcohol and distilled water. Good > workmanship here will save you problems later on. Be neat when soldering, > there are places it is VERY easy to bridge across two traces, you don't > want to do that. After you do a section, take a break and let your helper > check your work. A second set of eyes is great to have, and can pick up > details in areas that you've been looking at too long to really "see" anymore. > > 6. The power supply and ground cables that solder directly into the back > plane are likely poorly soldered. Remove, de-solder, de-flux, re-strip, > re-tin and re-solder them all. > > 7 Go slow, take breaks and get yourself into a comfortable position. > > 8. Shoot the list a mail if you have any questions. There are more than a > few of us here who have spent plenty of time underneath Neoteks. Good luck! > > Regards, Jim > > > > At 01:40 PM 5/23/2011, you wrote: >> jim - if you could shoot me this info at your earliest convenience i would >> be forever grateful. >> >> thanks.... >> >> pete >> >> On May 21, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Jim wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Pete, >>> >>> IIRC, there are two different pin pitches (pin size and spacing) >> available for this type connector. I do have the info for the correct >> part, but won't be able to get it to you till Monday. >>> >>> Regards, Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> At 09:53 AM 5/21/2011, you wrote: >>>> hey frank - >>>> i did... i wiggled one on there (one meaning not both the 10 and 12 >> position at the same time) while the card was out.. it was def. not an >> easy fit. so with 4 in place on the mother board there is just no way to >> rock the card back and forth to get the thing to mate correctly. i was >> using enough force to get me to the point of thinking "this can't be >> right" .. we all have experienced this point while working on something >> ... dig? >>>> >>>> anyone else on the list here have a known correct replacement for >> series IIIc modules? the receptacles are def. a bit bigger in the >> originals. see photo attached. i will be talking to a tech at digi-key >> later and see what they say. and i'll report back. >>>> >>>> 1000 thanks... >>>> >>>> pete >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 21, 2011, at 1:56 AM, Frank Moscowitz wrote: >>>> >>>>> I feel partially responsible for that mishap - the not fitting - the >> ones I put in my Series 1 fit the pins a bit snugly, but it wasn't >> impossible to get things to mate - some force was required though - IIRC >> on that series III the connectors felt a little loose... have you tried >> test fitting some on a module outside of the board? >>>>> >>>>> FM >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, pete <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> UGH >>>>> >>>>> the molex connectors i ordered don't fit. they are the correct >> dimensions except for the receptacles... the holes are too small for the >> card connectors. i did a pair of channels and just could not get the >> cards to seat AT ALL. i fear that the correct part may not be available >> anymore or something like that... time to talk to digi-key on the phone! >>>>> >>>>> well... i guess for the time being i'll put the old ones back in >> (before cleaning them really well) and i'll see if that fixes these 2 >> channels. >>>>> >>>>> -pete >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Jim wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pete, >>>>>> >>>>>> IMO, best to stick with Iso and follow what Ike noted. He also >> gave a great treatment on how to identify bad solder joints; pay close >> attention! Using D5 or some of the other stuff can end up causing the >> type of mess you previously posted on the top side of the mother board. >> It will leave a lubricant/protection residue (good *inside* pots and >> switches, but bad on the surface of things) that will attract dust, dirt, >> etc. over time. >>>>>> >>>>>> There used to be some really great cleaning, treating and >> lubricating chemicals on the market but some of them were really toxic >> and probably are what killed off many of my brain cells............TCE, >> DCE, and such. >>>>>> >>>>>> About the most "harsh" stuff I use anymore is Acetone. It does a >> pretty decent job of removing flux residue (if you scrub with an old >> tooth brush well), but it can also dissolve and even melt some type of >> plastics...........always test on a tiny portion before using! It's very >> flammable too, stay ventilated and be careful. >>>>>> >>>>>> A couple years ago on the list, someone had mentioned a >> cleaner/treatment for pots and switches............."stabil...something"? >> I think you'd buy a xx quantity and then dilute with water before using? >> Or could have been on the Ampex list, (see what I mean about brain cells?). >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 03:25 PM 5/20/2011, you wrote: >>>>>>> so is isopropyl alcohol the way to go here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> pete >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Ike Zimbel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Proceed with caution. I just had a chat about this yesterday >> with a colleague in Nashville. I own some D-5, and I very rarely use it. >> It is a very powerful oxide remover, and should probably be removed with >> isopropyl after use. Check the CAIG web site and follow their >> instructions. I prefer to use G-5 (ProGold) in small quantities for this >> sort of thing, and F-5 for pots and switches. >>>>>>>> best, >>>>>>>> Ike >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11-05-20 2:42 PM, pete wrote: >>>>>>>>> what is the collective thought on Deoxit D5 on this type of >> cleaning we have been talking about (to resolve intermittency issues)? i >> have a can of that on hand actually. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -pete >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Donald Put wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In addition to all the fine advice Matt and Ike shared, I've >> found oxidized IC pins/sockets at times when going through my Series >> II. I've also found ICs with bent pins that "curled" up when someone >> pushed them in but were touching the socket just enough to get an >> intermittent connection. Granted, this is a rare problem but it's one >> I've seen a few times. When you pull a channel out, take the time to >> remove the IC (if they're socketed on a Series III), clean the >> pins/sockets, and reinstall. Even if this isn't the immediate problem it >> will go a long way to help you avoid more issues in the long run. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Don >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> View the list online at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can unsubscribe at anytime by sending an email to >> mailto:[email protected] with "unsubscribe neotek" in the message >> body. If you have any difficulties, or questions --please send an email >> to mailto:[email protected]. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Neotek list is lovingly hosted by Catapult Web. 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Remember that >> any message or reply sent to the list will be automatically forwarded to >> all subscribers. >>>>> >>>>> Vive Le Neotek! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>> >>>> hey frank - >>>> i did... i wiggled one on there (one meaning not both the 10 and 12 >> position at the same time) while the card was out.. it was def. not an >> easy fit. so with 4 in place on the mother board there is just no way to >> rock the card back and forth to get the thing to mate correctly. i was >> using enough force to get me to the point of thinking "this can't be >> right" ... we all have experienced this point while working on something >> ... dig? >>>> >>>> anyone else on the list here have a known correct replacement for >> series IIIc modules? the receptacles are def. a bit bigger in the >> originals. see photo attached. i will be talking to a tech at digi-key >> later and see what they say. and i'll report back. >>>> >>>> 1000 thanks... >>>> >>>> pete >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 21, 2011, at 1:56 AM, Frank Moscowitz wrote: >>>> >>>>> I feel partially responsible for that mishap - the not fitting - the >> ones I put in my Series 1 fit the pins a bit snugly, but it wasn't >> impossible to get things to mate - some force was required though - IIRC >> on that series III the connectors felt a little loose... have you tried >> test fitting some on a module outside of the board? >>>>> >>>>> FM >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, pete >> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> UGH >>>>> >>>>> the molex connectors i ordered don't fit. they are the correct >> dimensions except for the receptacles... the holes are too small for the >> card connectors. i did a pair of channels and just could not get the >> cards to seat AT ALL. i fear that the correct part may not be available >> anymore or something like that... time to talk to digi-key on the phone! >>>>> >>>>> well... i guess for the time being i'll put the old ones back in >> (before cleaning them really well) and i'll see if that fixes these 2 >> channels. >>>>> >>>>> -pete >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Jim wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pete, >>>>>> >>>>>> IMO, best to stick with Iso and follow what Ike noted. He also gave >> a great treatment on how to identify bad solder joints; pay close >> attention! Using D5 or some of the other stuff can end up causing the >> type of mess you previously posted on the top side of the mother board. >> It will leave a lubricant/protection residue (good *inside* pots and >> switches, but bad on the surface of things) that will attract dust, dirt, >> etc. over time. >>>>>> >>>>>> There used to be some really great cleaning, treating and >> lubricating chemicals on the market but some of them were really toxic >> and probably are what killed off many of my brain cells............TCE, >> DCE, and such. >>>>>> >>>>>> About the most "harsh" stuff I use anymore is Acetone. It does a >> pretty decent job of removing flux residue (if you scrub with an old >> tooth brush well), but it can also dissolve and even melt some type of >> plastics...........always test on a tiny portion before using! It's very >> flammable too, stay ventilated and be careful. >>>>>> >>>>>> A couple years ago on the list, someone had mentioned a >> cleaner/treatment for pots and switches............."stabil...something"? >> I think you'd buy a xx quantity and then dilute with water before using? >> Or could have been on the Ampex list, (see what I mean about brain cells?). >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 03:25 PM 5/20/2011, you wrote: >>>>>>> so is isopropyl alcohol the way to go here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> pete >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Ike Zimbel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Proceed with caution. I just had a chat about this yesterday >> with a colleague in Nashville. I own some D-5, and I very rarely use it. >> It is a very powerful oxide remover, and should probably be removed with >> isopropyl after use. Check the CAIG web site and follow their >> instructions. I prefer to use G-5 (ProGold) in small quantities for this >> sort of thing, and F-5 for pots and switches. >>>>>>>> best, >>>>>>>> Ike >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11-05-20 2:42 PM, pete wrote: >>>>>>>>> what is the collective thought on Deoxit D5 on this type of >> cleaning we have been talking about (to resolve intermittency issues)? i >> have a can of that on hand actually. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -pete >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Donald Put wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In addition to all the fine advice Matt and Ike shared, I've >> found oxidized IC pins/sockets at times when going through my Series >> II. I've also found ICs with bent pins that "curled" up when someone >> pushed them in but were touching the socket just enough to get an >> intermittent connection. Granted, this is a rare problem but it's one >> I've seen a few times. When you pull a channel out, take the time to >> remove the IC (if they're socketed on a Series III), clean the >> pins/sockets, and reinstall. Even if this isn't the immediate problem it >> will go a long way to help you avoid more issues in the long run. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Don >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> View the list online at: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]>http://www.mail-archive.co >> m/[email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can unsubscribe at anytime by sending an email to >> mailto:[email protected] with "unsubscribe neotek" in the message >> body. If you have any difficulties, or questions --please send an email >> to mailto:[email protected]. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Neotek list is lovingly hosted by Catapult Web. Remember >> that any message or reply sent to the list will be automatically >> forwarded to all subscribers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vive Le Neotek! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ike Zimbel, >>>>>>>> Zimbel Audio Productions Ltd. >>>>>>>> Toronto >>>>>>>> <tel:416-720-0887>416-720-0887 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Studio House Calls". Authorized Warranty service for >> Allen& Heath, Clear-Com, Drawmer, Soundcraft, SPL and Yamaha. Repairs >> and upgrades to analog audio equipment including: AMEK, dbx, Neve, >> Neotek, MCI, Soundcraft and more. 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