Mark Johnson wrote:
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Benjamin Sher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:01 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
> >
> >Bottom line: Until Linux, which is rich in thousands of applications,
> >has an equally vast and varied collection of CONSUMER applications of
> >every sort, it won't quite be ready for prime time. And this won't
> >happen till Linux is much more popular. The old chicken and egg problem:
> >no consumer applications until there is a consumer market for Linux big
> >enough to justify it, and no consumer market until there are
> >applications.
> >
> And this won't happen until it's easy enough for my mom, wife, and brother
> to use and until the elite hacker attitude subsides.
i cant imagine the elite hacker attitude ever subsiding. there will
always
be a place inlinux for hackers. yep, they have those little things
called
terminals . they dont need shells or kde's or gnomes. im starting to
think they dont even need operating systems of any kind. but.......
linux is moving to include the rest of us that dont want to be
programmers or hackers or whatever. mandrake 7.2 is very easy to use.
i bet even your mom could run it.
Linux is still a
> paradise for coders not users..
linux will always be a paradise for coders. it it more and more a
paradise
for users too.
. However, most linux users don't care about
> running Quicken and such, for linux to win they must pull users off of
> Windows and onto linux (these are the only converts, you won't get a lot of
> MAC users to give up their OS). The intrinsic road block of linux is the
> "cult" personality, like MAC and BSD, us folks are generally emotionally
> tied to the OS. Most windows users couldn't give a flying flip that they
> are using Windows they just want integrated office products and the facility
> offered by those products (and to be able to run their games).
i would agree and disagree. i know many people who wouldnt even think
of leaving windoes. i know of some that use it because its because
what most other people use. most people seem to be unaware of just
dont care that windoes would destroy them as quickly as any one else
to make a profit. its like they are brainless. that of course is my
opinion.
with the relase of kernal 2.4 i believe linux kernal stands superior
to microsofts. time will tell
They don't
> want to be system administrators, just like I don't want to be a car
> mechanic. I want my car to work when I drive it off the lot. I will never
> upgrade the stereo or engine or interior, i'm just not interested in doing
> that. But this isn't a morally depraved behavior, it's just the way it is.
>
> >Meanwhile, Linux as an OS, with its great and beautiful and configurable
> >new graphical KDE and Gnome desktops
> >
> The thing is most ordinary users don't care what the OS is they care about
> the interface and how easy it is to get their job done and how easy it is to
> integrate their favorite apps. I don't think most folks even mess with
> their Windows settings. (Just showing my wife the "Send To" mechanism in
> Explorer is like pulling teeth!) Having said that, may the gods be praised
> for the efforts of the KDE and Gnome folks but there is still much road to
> build.
>
> The thing that should strike fear into the marrow of our bones is that if MS
> decided to build a flavor of Linux I think it would be a reasonable
> assumption that people like my mom and brother would ditch the Windows
> environment and adopt the linux platform because they don't care out the OS,
tell them about micosofts behavior to other companies. and if they dont
care what os they are using why would they care if they had linux. this
doesnt make any sense to me. i would think that many people in the
future
would want linux just because its practically free and get updated on
such
a regular basis and because there are people that want to help them with
it.
i would agree that some people just wouldnt care no matter what.
> they care about the usabilty of the products and the availablity of the
> products. We laugh about the MS Linux website parody, but really, if MS
> ever decided to distribute a flavor of linux I believe they would give
> Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, and etc. a very hard run for their money.
if they did that, who would buy it. the people that are happey with
windoes woundt want it and the linux community wouldnt buy it. why not.
because we know if they did that it would possibly lead to real linux
being ruined. i would never purchase microsoft linux. yuck.
People
> would actually be willing to give their hard earned money for this new very
> stable linux distrbution version of "Windows", very few of us have probably
> given a dime to Mandrake for all their hard work. If MFC, VB, and COM was
> made available for linux you can be sure that applications would start to
> appear like crazy.
>
i believe we will see microsoft software for linux in the future. where
is gates gonna get his money.
> MS has enough resources and money to pull this off - it might not ever
> happen - but if it did it would be a very bad thing. All sorts of
> bastardizations of perl, python, syslog, cron, you name it MS will tweak it
> to lock my family into their version of linux.
>
these are the reasons they would fail in linux. look at corel. in my
opinion part of their failure has been to try to emulate microsoft.
i have corel linux once. i then went to their site to register it.
u believe the questions u had to answer. just like windoes and then
boom, now gates has a piece of it. interesting.
> >I would guess that the most important of all browsers is Mozilla because,
> >when it is completed this
> >spring, it will spawn dozens of branded versions, which, while building
> >on Mozilla, will add special features of their own. In other words,
> >Internet Explorer will find itself faced not with one derivated, namely,
> >Netscape 6 but with dozens of equally powerful (and superior) browsers
> >all built on the open-source Mozilla. This will be good for the
> >consumers acorss all platforms and a last laugh at Microsoft with a
> >vengeance. There is already one major spinoff of Mozilla called Beonex.
> >It's still not quite ready, either. But by the end of the coming year,
> >IE will find itself outgunned on every front by the Mozilla browsers
> >(under a variety of brands) which they themselves caused by forcing
> >Netscape to go open-source. It will be sweet revenge on Microsoft.
> >
in linux there are many browswers. in my opinion the best is Konquerer.
i have always like netscape, but i am not a fan of aol. and aol just
got busted awhile back for spying on us through netscape downloader.
i wont use netscape in the near future. i am using their mail
at the moment.
> I hope so, but my pessimism tells me that like the borg MS will adapt,
> out-feature, and overcome...
in linux the people run the show, just like they always have . only
in linux they step up, not like they always have.
