Well put David B So I guess that means that IT cannot be regarded as a profession
Bourne out by industry who seem more interested in experience rather than adherance to a professional code of ethics, code of conduct, code of practice. Is it unethical then for those working in IT to portray themselves as professionals?. On 29 February 2016 at 17:06, David Burstin <david.burs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Some points on relevance... > > I used to be an accountant. There are many professional bodies that cover > accountants, each being relevant only to the area of accounting they > specialize in. CPAs are not the same as Chartered Accountants, and it is > natural and obvious as an accountant which body you should belong to based > on the type of work you do. For example, a public accountant in a suburban > practice doing individual, small trust and small company returns would be a > CPA, not a Chartered Accountant. > > All of the questions you asked have different answers based on which body > you belong to as an accountant. > > So, who does the ACS represent? Software engineers? Hardware engineers? > Database administrators? And within these, there are massive subsets, each > with vastly different and perhaps even opposing codes of conduct and > practice. Would the ACS promote "break-nothing" (eg if you worked at a > financial institution), or "break-everything" if you worked at Facebook? > > I am not and never have been a member of the ACS. I looked at it but could > never see the relevance. The only advantage was having a few letters at the > end of my name that no one seemed to care about. So instead I got some > other letters that slightly more (and I do mean slightly more) people cared > about (MCSD, MCT). > > The questions that you ask are spot-on for a representative professional > body. I just don't feel that they apply to the ACS because who exactly does > it represent - and if the answer is "computer professionals" then that is > so vague as to be meaningless. > > That's my 2c. > > On 29 February 2016 at 17:21, Peter Griffith <pe...@gui-visuals.com.au> > wrote: > >> Cuppla more questions on relevance >> >> Do you subscribe to a professional code of ethics, code of conduct, code >> of practice? >> >> *.*Do you follow an on-going, coherent professional education process.? >> >> Are you accredited by any relevant, recognised, independent body, or by a >> Local, State or Federal government authority.? >> >> On 29 February 2016 at 16:30, Peter Griffith <pe...@gui-visuals.com.au> >> wrote: >> >>> Do you belong to a professional body? >>> >>> On 29 February 2016 at 16:27, David Apelt <d...@signmanager.com.au> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: >>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Griffith >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 29 February 2016 4:43 PM >>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] ACS - relevant? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David, do you consider yourself to be an IT Professional? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 29 February 2016 at 15:35, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Haven''t even heard ACS since like 2000. Never comes up in interviews >>>> or any conversation at all from my experience. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:50 PM, David Apelt <d...@signmanager.com.au> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The only time I ever hear of the ASC (Australian Computer Society) is >>>> the punch line in bad IT jokes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But last night I had a Pakistani taxi driver who had just got his >>>> masters in IT. He spoke with enthusiasm about the ASC and how he was going >>>> to be paying them $12500 over the next year so that he could be accredited >>>> in IT. (!!) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just want to test the waters here; are the ASC relevant? Are they >>>> doing a good job? Does anyone ask for ACS accreditation during interviews? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am in Melbourne for work at the moment. Maybe it is a regional thing? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Peter Griffith CP >>>> PH: 0408 832 891 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Peter Griffith CP >>> PH: 0408 832 891 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Peter Griffith CP >> PH: 0408 832 891 >> > > -- Peter Griffith CP PH: 0408 832 891
