The ACS certification can be important/required regarding immigration process. For a skilled visa, I had to get a skills assessment from ACS for instance. And I think that for a graduate visa, there is now a requirement of this ACS Professional Year Program <https://www.acs.org.au/news-and-media/news/2013/acs-announces-graduate-skills-assessment-application-process-changes> .
2016-02-29 21:54 GMT+10:00 Tony Wright <[email protected]>: > Point taken. I just have a problem with the whole idea that because > someone is a member of a professional body it is supposed to make them > competent. In 20 years I have only once seen a job that specifically said > ACS was desired and that was for a government job. Which kind of means it > is certainly approaching irrelevancy for me at least. > On 29 Feb 2016 10:05 pm, "Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I follow what you’re saying Tony but the two concepts are separate. >> >> >> >> You are describing what you are looking for in an employee. You might >> consider that “professionalism” but you are not actually describing what >> most other industries would describe as professionalism. In most >> industries, professionalism is about a formal agreement to adhere to a code >> of ethics, being qualified in the first place, maintaining appropriate >> certifications, carrying out ongoing learning, etc. And, more importantly, >> ejection from the profession if you don’t do what’s required. >> >> >> >> It’s just that the IT industry places more value on a perceived ability >> to get something done. >> >> >> >> There’s nothing wrong with that per se, but people that we consider to be >> IT professionals won’t ever be regarded as such by most of the community, >> and we’ll continue to see people that lurch from one disaster to the next >> with impunity. It’s worth considering that very few other professions would >> tolerate the failure rate that’s associated with IT projects. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> Dr Greg Low >> >> >> >> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 >> fax >> >> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright >> *Sent:* Monday, 29 February 2016 9:54 PM >> *To:* ozDotNet <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [OT] ACS - relevant? >> >> >> >> I somehow don't think being a member of the ACS suddenly gives you any >> more professionalism than any other person in the IT sector. In fact, >> having read resumes of hundreds of people I think I've only ever seen one >> that said they were a member of the ACS. But alas, that person did not have >> the skills we needed, so we had to pass. We were really looking for people >> who were emmersed in the technology and the best evidence of that was >> evidence of decent projects they'd worked on, attendance and speaking at >> user group meetings, and evidence of leadership. Certifications, sure, but >> not people who only knew how to do certs. And people with personality and >> the right attitude. >> >> T. >> >> On 29 Feb 2016 8:12 pm, "Peter Griffith" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Well put David B >> >> >> >> So I guess that means that IT cannot be regarded as a profession >> >> >> >> Bourne out by industry who seem more interested in experience rather than >> adherance to a professional code of ethics, code of conduct, code of >> practice. >> >> >> >> Is it unethical then for those working in IT to portray themselves as >> professionals?. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 29 February 2016 at 17:06, David Burstin <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Some points on relevance... >> >> >> >> I used to be an accountant. There are many professional bodies that cover >> accountants, each being relevant only to the area of accounting they >> specialize in. CPAs are not the same as Chartered Accountants, and it is >> natural and obvious as an accountant which body you should belong to based >> on the type of work you do. For example, a public accountant in a suburban >> practice doing individual, small trust and small company returns would be a >> CPA, not a Chartered Accountant. >> >> >> >> All of the questions you asked have different answers based on which body >> you belong to as an accountant. >> >> >> >> So, who does the ACS represent? Software engineers? Hardware engineers? >> Database administrators? And within these, there are massive subsets, each >> with vastly different and perhaps even opposing codes of conduct and >> practice. Would the ACS promote "break-nothing" (eg if you worked at a >> financial institution), or "break-everything" if you worked at Facebook? >> >> >> >> I am not and never have been a member of the ACS. I looked at it but >> could never see the relevance. The only advantage was having a few letters >> at the end of my name that no one seemed to care about. So instead I got >> some other letters that slightly more (and I do mean slightly more) people >> cared about (MCSD, MCT). >> >> >> >> The questions that you ask are spot-on for a representative professional >> body. I just don't feel that they apply to the ACS because who exactly does >> it represent - and if the answer is "computer professionals" then that is >> so vague as to be meaningless. >> >> >> >> That's my 2c. >> >> >> >> On 29 February 2016 at 17:21, Peter Griffith <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Cuppla more questions on relevance >> >> >> >> Do you subscribe to a professional code of ethics, code of conduct, code >> of practice? >> >> *.*Do you follow an on-going, coherent professional education process.? >> >> Are you accredited by any relevant, recognised, independent body, or by a >> Local, State or Federal government authority.? >> >> >> >> On 29 February 2016 at 16:30, Peter Griffith <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Do you belong to a professional body? >> >> >> >> On 29 February 2016 at 16:27, David Apelt <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yes >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Peter Griffith >> *Sent:* Monday, 29 February 2016 4:43 PM >> *To:* ozDotNet <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [OT] ACS - relevant? >> >> >> >> David, do you consider yourself to be an IT Professional? >> >> >> >> On 29 February 2016 at 15:35, DotNet Dude <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Haven''t even heard ACS since like 2000. Never comes up in interviews or >> any conversation at all from my experience. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:50 PM, David Apelt <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> The only time I ever hear of the ASC (Australian Computer Society) is the >> punch line in bad IT jokes. >> >> >> >> But last night I had a Pakistani taxi driver who had just got his masters >> in IT. He spoke with enthusiasm about the ASC and how he was going to be >> paying them $12500 over the next year so that he could be accredited in IT. >> (!!) >> >> >> >> I just want to test the waters here; are the ASC relevant? Are they doing >> a good job? Does anyone ask for ACS accreditation during interviews? >> >> >> >> I am in Melbourne for work at the moment. 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