I somehow don't think being a member of the ACS suddenly gives you any more professionalism than any other person in the IT sector. In fact, having read resumes of hundreds of people I think I've only ever seen one that said they were a member of the ACS. But alas, that person did not have the skills we needed, so we had to pass. We were really looking for people who were emmersed in the technology and the best evidence of that was evidence of decent projects they'd worked on, attendance and speaking at user group meetings, and evidence of leadership. Certifications, sure, but not people who only knew how to do certs. And people with personality and the right attitude.
T. On 29 Feb 2016 8:12 pm, "Peter Griffith" <[email protected]> wrote: > Well put David B > > So I guess that means that IT cannot be regarded as a profession > > Bourne out by industry who seem more interested in experience rather than > adherance to a professional code of ethics, code of conduct, code of > practice. > > Is it unethical then for those working in IT to portray themselves as > professionals?. > > > > > > On 29 February 2016 at 17:06, David Burstin <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Some points on relevance... >> >> I used to be an accountant. There are many professional bodies that cover >> accountants, each being relevant only to the area of accounting they >> specialize in. CPAs are not the same as Chartered Accountants, and it is >> natural and obvious as an accountant which body you should belong to based >> on the type of work you do. For example, a public accountant in a suburban >> practice doing individual, small trust and small company returns would be a >> CPA, not a Chartered Accountant. >> >> All of the questions you asked have different answers based on which body >> you belong to as an accountant. >> >> So, who does the ACS represent? Software engineers? Hardware engineers? >> Database administrators? And within these, there are massive subsets, each >> with vastly different and perhaps even opposing codes of conduct and >> practice. Would the ACS promote "break-nothing" (eg if you worked at a >> financial institution), or "break-everything" if you worked at Facebook? >> >> I am not and never have been a member of the ACS. I looked at it but >> could never see the relevance. The only advantage was having a few letters >> at the end of my name that no one seemed to care about. So instead I got >> some other letters that slightly more (and I do mean slightly more) people >> cared about (MCSD, MCT). >> >> The questions that you ask are spot-on for a representative professional >> body. I just don't feel that they apply to the ACS because who exactly does >> it represent - and if the answer is "computer professionals" then that is >> so vague as to be meaningless. >> >> That's my 2c. >> >> On 29 February 2016 at 17:21, Peter Griffith <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Cuppla more questions on relevance >>> >>> Do you subscribe to a professional code of ethics, code of conduct, code >>> of practice? >>> >>> *.*Do you follow an on-going, coherent professional education process.? >>> >>> Are you accredited by any relevant, recognised, independent body, or by >>> a Local, State or Federal government authority.? >>> >>> On 29 February 2016 at 16:30, Peter Griffith <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Do you belong to a professional body? >>>> >>>> On 29 February 2016 at 16:27, David Apelt <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Peter Griffith >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 29 February 2016 4:43 PM >>>>> *To:* ozDotNet <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] ACS - relevant? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David, do you consider yourself to be an IT Professional? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 29 February 2016 at 15:35, DotNet Dude <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Haven''t even heard ACS since like 2000. Never comes up in interviews >>>>> or any conversation at all from my experience. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:50 PM, David Apelt <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The only time I ever hear of the ASC (Australian Computer Society) is >>>>> the punch line in bad IT jokes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But last night I had a Pakistani taxi driver who had just got his >>>>> masters in IT. He spoke with enthusiasm about the ASC and how he was >>>>> going >>>>> to be paying them $12500 over the next year so that he could be accredited >>>>> in IT. (!!) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just want to test the waters here; are the ASC relevant? Are they >>>>> doing a good job? Does anyone ask for ACS accreditation during interviews? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am in Melbourne for work at the moment. Maybe it is a regional thing? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Peter Griffith CP >>>>> PH: 0408 832 891 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Peter Griffith CP >>>> PH: 0408 832 891 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Peter Griffith CP >>> PH: 0408 832 891 >>> >> >> > > > -- > Peter Griffith CP > PH: 0408 832 891 >
