Jon, List, JAS: [A]ccording to Peirce, "the ordinal process of semiosis" is from the object through the sign toward the interpretant; the sign *mediates between* the object and the interpretant; the object *determines *the sign to *determine *the interpretant.
Well, speaking of 'basic Peirce', I didn't think that this was i*n any way* controversial. Thanks for your posts on semeiotic grammar today as they clarify some 'basic' -- I thought, uncontroversial -- ideas in semeiotic. Best, Gary R On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 10:10 PM Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > List: > > On the contrary, according to Peirce, "the ordinal process of semiosis" is > from the object through the sign toward the interpretant; the sign *mediates > between* the object and the interpretant; the object *determines *the > sign to *determine *the interpretant. > > CSP: As a *medium*, the Sign is essentially in a triadic relation, to its > Object which determines it, and to its Interpretant which it determines. In > its relation to the Object, the Sign is *passive*; that is to say, its > correspondence to the Object is brought about by an effect upon the Sign, > the Object remaining unaffected. On the other hand, in its relation to the > Interpretant the Sign is *active*, determining the Interpretant without > being itself thereby affected. (EP 2:544n22, 1906) > > CSP: I will say that a sign is anything, of whatsoever mode of being, > which mediates between an object and an interpretant; since it is both > determined by the object *relatively to the interpretant*, and determines > the interpretant *in reference to the object*, in such wise as to cause > the interpretant to be determined by the object through the mediation of > this "sign." (EP 2:410, 1907) > > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 8:35 PM Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> JAS - list >> >> We’ve been through this before. I completely disagree with your >> interpretation of this section and disagree that Peirce was referring to >> the NUMBER of correlates . I consider that he was referring to the ordinal >> process of semiosis, where the sign vehicle which holds the Representamen >> or knowledge base FIRST senses an external data input [the SECOND site] >> ….and this data input becomes the Dynamic and Immediate Objects and then, >> the THIRD process is the result, thr analysis of this data to result in >> the various Interpretants. >> >> This is the basic syllogistic format. >> >> Therefore - I consider it invalid that you self-assign the term >> ‘correctly’ to your interpretation. It’s your interpretation - and I have a >> different one. >> >> Edwina >> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at > https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at > https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the > links! > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > [email protected] with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the > message and nothing in the body. More at > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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