2016-08-07 16:10 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com>: > Hi Dale, > > Thanks for your thoughts. And thanks for giving these new quirks time to > settle :). > > Actually, I am looking for what is annoying and I specifically interested > in the reasons why it is annoying. Please feel free to report the bits that > annoy you. >
+1 Pharo is not an environment where we should live with annoyance. I would encourage people to report anything that disturbs the daily work and discuss what behavior or gui layout is expected and what could be done better. I am sure we can not find a way to satisfy all, we have different workflows and different expectations, but it is better to talk about, instead of just live with it. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Dale Henrichs <dale.henrichs@gemtalksystems. > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 8/7/16 6:16 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi Stef, > >> > >> > >> That is why we made the default printing not affect the text editor, > and this feature is around since almost 2 years and, except of you, there > was no other complain. > >> > > I believe that this is a logical fallacy ... many developers are too > busy actually trying to do work with these tools and don't have time or > inclination to get involved in an argument :) > > > > There are a number of odd, awkward, hidden, "old way does not work > anymore" things that I am running into as I have just been using Pharo5.0 > for a couple of months ... I understand that when the GUI changes one must > give it a little bit of time to "settle in" and see if my annoyance is due > to the fact that things have changed or if the "old way was better" ... > > > > I don't like the funky popup prints either --- they often obscure the > underlying text and when I do something to see the underlying text I lose > the printout --- occasionally it is useful as a preview but that's not the > only use case .. often the result is what I want ... > > > > But I am trying to do real work and I really don't have the time to get > into an embroiled argument over things so far I feel less productive (the > debugger buttons are a real annoyance) but perhaps with practice and > patience I will eventually see the light of putting heavily used menu items > off in a corner ... > > > > BTW, I've basically given up on using browser shortcuts altogether ... I > am assuming that the shortcuts will be changing yet again in 6.0 so I'm not > going to try to memorize shortcuts that will be changing every 6 months :) > > > > While I am complaining --- is there a way to be able to change the width > of the inspector panes in a debugger? I'm almost never able to see what I > want to see in the inspector panes because they aren't wide enough and > unlike every other pane in the universe, I can't grab the pane and change > its width ... I'm sure you have a good argument for why it can't be moved > --- but that doesn't stop me from being annoyed ... > > > > Optimized code is often uglier than the cleanly crafted beautiful code > that runs too damn slow ... > > > > I could go on and on, but I'm sure you've good reasons for all of the > the things that you have changed and this isn't the only GUI in the world > that is annoying to use :) > > > > Remember that I am still in the phase of "give it a little bit of time > to "settle in" and see if my annoyance is due to the fact that things have > changed or if the "old way was better" ... " > > > > Dale > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Being happy is a matter of choice." > > > > > >
