+1
> On 08 Aug 2016, at 11:31, Nicolas Passerini <npasser...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think that whatever default behavior and shortcuts you decide, it would be
> nice to be able to configure it. So, if someone does not feel comfortable
> with the default, he has a simple way to change it and configure in a way
> that gets better along with his way of using Pharo. Don't you think?
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:49 AM, Dale Henrichs
> <dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com <mailto:dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com>>
> wrote:
> Nicolai,
> It is good to encourage this, but it is a reality that it is a lot of work to
> do a good job of complaining and criticizing and personally I have a talk at
> ESUG that needs work, so I won't have the luxury of detailed criticisms much
> longer :) and I'm sure that this is an issue for others as well ...
>
> But if all of us make a point to "complain" when we hit an annoying issue AND
> have the time to complain, then eventually you guys will get the kind of
> feedback that you need to make better decisions, compromises and
> preferences...
>
> Dale
> On 8/7/16 7:33 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote:
>>
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>> 2016-08-07 16:10 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com
>> <mailto:tu...@tudorgirba.com>>:
>> Hi Dale,
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts. And thanks for giving these new quirks time to
>> settle :).
>>
>> Actually, I am looking for what is annoying and I specifically interested in
>> the reasons why it is annoying. Please feel free to report the bits that
>> annoy you.
>>
>> +1
>> Pharo is not an environment where we should live with annoyance.
>> I would encourage people to report anything that disturbs the daily work and
>> discuss what behavior or gui layout is expected and what could be done
>> better. I am sure we can not find a way to satisfy all, we have different
>> workflows and different expectations, but it is better to talk about,
>> instead of just live with it.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Dale Henrichs
>> > <dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com
>> > <mailto:dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/7/16 6:16 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>> >> Hi Stef,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> That is why we made the default printing not affect the text editor, and
>> >> this feature is around since almost 2 years and, except of you, there was
>> >> no other complain.
>> >>
>> > I believe that this is a logical fallacy ... many developers are too busy
>> > actually trying to do work with these tools and don't have time or
>> > inclination to get involved in an argument :)
>> >
>> > There are a number of odd, awkward, hidden, "old way does not work
>> > anymore" things that I am running into as I have just been using Pharo5.0
>> > for a couple of months ... I understand that when the GUI changes one must
>> > give it a little bit of time to "settle in" and see if my annoyance is due
>> > to the fact that things have changed or if the "old way was better" ...
>> >
>> > I don't like the funky popup prints either --- they often obscure the
>> > underlying text and when I do something to see the underlying text I lose
>> > the printout --- occasionally it is useful as a preview but that's not the
>> > only use case .. often the result is what I want ...
>> >
>> > But I am trying to do real work and I really don't have the time to get
>> > into an embroiled argument over things so far I feel less productive (the
>> > debugger buttons are a real annoyance) but perhaps with practice and
>> > patience I will eventually see the light of putting heavily used menu
>> > items off in a corner ...
>> >
>> > BTW, I've basically given up on using browser shortcuts altogether ... I
>> > am assuming that the shortcuts will be changing yet again in 6.0 so I'm
>> > not going to try to memorize shortcuts that will be changing every 6
>> > months :)
>> >
>> > While I am complaining --- is there a way to be able to change the width
>> > of the inspector panes in a debugger? I'm almost never able to see what I
>> > want to see in the inspector panes because they aren't wide enough and
>> > unlike every other pane in the universe, I can't grab the pane and change
>> > its width ... I'm sure you have a good argument for why it can't be moved
>> > --- but that doesn't stop me from being annoyed ...
>> >
>> > Optimized code is often uglier than the cleanly crafted beautiful code
>> > that runs too damn slow ...
>> >
>> > I could go on and on, but I'm sure you've good reasons for all of the the
>> > things that you have changed and this isn't the only GUI in the world that
>> > is annoying to use :)
>> >
>> > Remember that I am still in the phase of "give it a little bit of time to
>> > "settle in" and see if my annoyance is due to the fact that things have
>> > changed or if the "old way was better" ... "
>> >
>> > Dale
>> >
>> >
>>
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