Hi, I think that whatever default behavior and shortcuts you decide, it would be nice to be able to configure it. So, if someone does not feel comfortable with the default, he has a simple way to change it and configure in a way that gets better along with his way of using Pharo. Don't you think?
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:49 AM, Dale Henrichs < dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > Nicolai, > > It is good to encourage this, but it is a reality that it is a lot of work > to do a good job of complaining and criticizing and personally I have a > talk at ESUG that needs work, so I won't have the luxury of detailed > criticisms much longer :) and I'm sure that this is an issue for others as > well ... > > But if all of us make a point to "complain" when we hit an annoying issue > AND have the time to complain, then eventually you guys will get the kind > of feedback that you need to make better decisions, compromises and > preferences... > > Dale > On 8/7/16 7:33 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > 2016-08-07 16:10 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com>: > >> Hi Dale, >> >> Thanks for your thoughts. And thanks for giving these new quirks time to >> settle :). >> >> Actually, I am looking for what is annoying and I specifically interested >> in the reasons why it is annoying. Please feel free to report the bits that >> annoy you. >> > > +1 > Pharo is not an environment where we should live with annoyance. > I would encourage people to report anything that disturbs the daily work > and discuss what behavior or gui layout is expected and what could be done > better. I am sure we can not find a way to satisfy all, we have different > workflows and different expectations, but it is better to talk about, > instead of just live with it. > > >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> > On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Dale Henrichs < >> dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 8/7/16 6:16 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >> Hi Stef, >> >> >> >> >> >> That is why we made the default printing not affect the text editor, >> and this feature is around since almost 2 years and, except of you, there >> was no other complain. >> >> >> > I believe that this is a logical fallacy ... many developers are too >> busy actually trying to do work with these tools and don't have time or >> inclination to get involved in an argument :) >> > >> > There are a number of odd, awkward, hidden, "old way does not work >> anymore" things that I am running into as I have just been using Pharo5.0 >> for a couple of months ... I understand that when the GUI changes one must >> give it a little bit of time to "settle in" and see if my annoyance is due >> to the fact that things have changed or if the "old way was better" ... >> > >> > I don't like the funky popup prints either --- they often obscure the >> underlying text and when I do something to see the underlying text I lose >> the printout --- occasionally it is useful as a preview but that's not the >> only use case .. often the result is what I want ... >> > >> > But I am trying to do real work and I really don't have the time to get >> into an embroiled argument over things so far I feel less productive (the >> debugger buttons are a real annoyance) but perhaps with practice and >> patience I will eventually see the light of putting heavily used menu items >> off in a corner ... >> > >> > BTW, I've basically given up on using browser shortcuts altogether ... >> I am assuming that the shortcuts will be changing yet again in 6.0 so I'm >> not going to try to memorize shortcuts that will be changing every 6 months >> :) >> > >> > While I am complaining --- is there a way to be able to change the >> width of the inspector panes in a debugger? I'm almost never able to see >> what I want to see in the inspector panes because they aren't wide enough >> and unlike every other pane in the universe, I can't grab the pane and >> change its width ... I'm sure you have a good argument for why it can't be >> moved --- but that doesn't stop me from being annoyed ... >> > >> > Optimized code is often uglier than the cleanly crafted beautiful code >> that runs too damn slow ... >> > >> > I could go on and on, but I'm sure you've good reasons for all of the >> the things that you have changed and this isn't the only GUI in the world >> that is annoying to use :) >> > >> > Remember that I am still in the phase of "give it a little bit of time >> to "settle in" and see if my annoyance is due to the fact that things have >> changed or if the "old way was better" ... " >> > >> > Dale >> > >> > >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Being happy is a matter of choice." >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
