+1
On 8/8/16 2:31 AM, Nicolas Passerini wrote:
Hi,
I think that whatever default behavior and shortcuts you decide, it
would be nice to be able to configure it. So, if someone does not feel
comfortable with the default, he has a simple way to change it and
configure in a way that gets better along with his way of using Pharo.
Don't you think?
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:49 AM, Dale Henrichs
<dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com
<mailto:dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com>> wrote:
Nicolai,
It is good to encourage this, but it is a reality that it is a lot
of work to do a good job of complaining and criticizing and
personally I have a talk at ESUG that needs work, so I won't have
the luxury of detailed criticisms much longer :) and I'm sure that
this is an issue for others as well ...
But if all of us make a point to "complain" when we hit an
annoying issue AND have the time to complain, then eventually you
guys will get the kind of feedback that you need to make better
decisions, compromises and preferences...
Dale
On 8/7/16 7:33 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote:
2016-08-07 16:10 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com
<mailto:tu...@tudorgirba.com>>:
Hi Dale,
Thanks for your thoughts. And thanks for giving these new
quirks time to settle :).
Actually, I am looking for what is annoying and I
specifically interested in the reasons why it is annoying.
Please feel free to report the bits that annoy you.
+1
Pharo is not an environment where we should live with annoyance.
I would encourage people to report anything that disturbs the
daily work and discuss what behavior or gui layout is expected
and what could be done
better. I am sure we can not find a way to satisfy all, we have
different workflows and different expectations, but it is better
to talk about, instead of just live with it.
Cheers,
Doru
> On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Dale Henrichs
<dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com
<mailto:dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 8/7/16 6:16 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>> Hi Stef,
>>
>>
>> That is why we made the default printing not affect the
text editor, and this feature is around since almost 2 years
and, except of you, there was no other complain.
>>
> I believe that this is a logical fallacy ... many
developers are too busy actually trying to do work with these
tools and don't have time or inclination to get involved in
an argument :)
>
> There are a number of odd, awkward, hidden, "old way does
not work anymore" things that I am running into as I have
just been using Pharo5.0 for a couple of months ... I
understand that when the GUI changes one must give it a
little bit of time to "settle in" and see if my annoyance is
due to the fact that things have changed or if the "old way
was better" ...
>
> I don't like the funky popup prints either --- they often
obscure the underlying text and when I do something to see
the underlying text I lose the printout --- occasionally it
is useful as a preview but that's not the only use case ..
often the result is what I want ...
>
> But I am trying to do real work and I really don't have the
time to get into an embroiled argument over things so far I
feel less productive (the debugger buttons are a real
annoyance) but perhaps with practice and patience I will
eventually see the light of putting heavily used menu items
off in a corner ...
>
> BTW, I've basically given up on using browser shortcuts
altogether ... I am assuming that the shortcuts will be
changing yet again in 6.0 so I'm not going to try to memorize
shortcuts that will be changing every 6 months :)
>
> While I am complaining --- is there a way to be able to
change the width of the inspector panes in a debugger? I'm
almost never able to see what I want to see in the inspector
panes because they aren't wide enough and unlike every other
pane in the universe, I can't grab the pane and change its
width ... I'm sure you have a good argument for why it can't
be moved --- but that doesn't stop me from being annoyed ...
>
> Optimized code is often uglier than the cleanly crafted
beautiful code that runs too damn slow ...
>
> I could go on and on, but I'm sure you've good reasons for
all of the the things that you have changed and this isn't
the only GUI in the world that is annoying to use :)
>
> Remember that I am still in the phase of "give it a little
bit of time to "settle in" and see if my annoyance is due to
the fact that things have changed or if the "old way was
better" ... "
>
> Dale
>
>
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