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There are no "secret sources", all of what I know is from the mainstream of
information that is available to all who would do the research and the
ensuing analysis of the meaning of the facts derived from the research. All
of my opinions are my own, developed without any outside help except that of
apparent historical facts from this mainstream of information. I do my own
analysis, by myself. I am a lifetime analyst and problem solver, having
been the world's first commercial programmer of solid state stored program
machines (computers). Every program that I ever wrote was an original and
unique solution to a problem, so I am well versed in the world of analysis.
I welcome an analytical refute of anything that I may present as I have
never claimed immunity to mistakes, and I look for them all of the time.
I will be glad to furnish the analytical basis for anything that I may say
here. My life revolves around truth, facts, and reality, I know nothing of
'belief' or 'faith' because all of the answers to all of the questions are
right out in the open for all to see all of the time, no 'belief' or 'faith'
required, ever.
This is all in response to invalid assumptions about the origins of Islam
and it's intended purpose by it's designer(s).
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From: "Hank Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 6:34 AM
Subject: [pnews-views] Re: [pnews-news] Islam Means Death to Infidels
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> I think you said it very well Garth. No more needs to be said because
> Charles is using information (I suspect not gleaned, but copied) from a
> source which he neglects/refuseds to cite. I'm certain he feels it is
> correct but taking that path is not helpful to the truth and knowledge
> requires, as you correctly state, broadening one's perspective and
> sources. I'm willing to listen and to read his theory (which he says is
> not a thesis/which means he is convinced of its truth) if he would name
> his authority so we can judge based on the premise and the authority - but
> no such information has been forthcoming of provided as previously
> requested. That is in itself a negation for any premise he hoped to make.
>
> The common mistake of those who believe they have discovered the truth is
> to ignore all the rational evidence and just favor theories which might in
> their mind support their false premise - because it is the one they were
> looking for. It is not unlike cherry picking the information to go to war
> with Iraq. It isn't honest nor progressive. A more revealing question to
> ask might be, "Is religion nature or nurture?"
>
> I can't tell you how many times I have tried to make a point and after
> all of my research have reached a contrary position and have had to then
> qualify my first position or change it completely. It is very, very
> important to include all the facts and all the knowledge. An informed
> assumption cannot be made by throwing out opinions without the
> associatiative data which lead to those conclusions. Otherwise the
> conclusions are not valid.
>
> Charles is trying very hard to convince us but he makes the mistake of
> assuming everyone comes to a subject with the same degree of understanding
> and doesn't bother to explain how he got there - or who said what (his
> secret sources?) to him to influence that view --- or did it come to him
> through some kind of supernatural, thus inexplicable, revelation?
>
> But, when he said he is "the voice of god" there is no confusion or doubt
> that his view is a crackpot idea or ideas.
>
> Hank
>
> P.S. You must notice also that his tirade has nothing with the topic in
> the above subject line.
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>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2006, Garth Cartledge wrote:
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> > Quite frankly, if you are serious about what you have been posting and
> > are not just taking the mickey, I just don't have the energy to overcome
> > such a different view. Your statements seem to be confusing the abuses
> > perpetrated by people who wish to justify their actions by a cloak of
> > Christianity (often in a genuine belief that they are acting as
> > Christians) with what the Christian bible (the New Testament - the Old
> > Testament is not Christ's message because it comprises pre-Christ
> > values/practises) alleges Christ's message is.
> >
> > I am not a professing Christian nor am I American - I am however aware
> > of what is in the Christina bible and I am very well aware of what has
> > been done purportedly in Christ's name by people who have perverted the
> > message. I am also aware of what has been done allegedly in the name of
> > other religions.
> >
> > I do not know where you are getting your information from but if what
> > you say reflects that information may I respectfully suggest that you
> > broaden the base of your information. I do not propose to enter
> > arguments about but, for example, to say that Christianity was a Roman
> > device to enslave/control people (or words to that effect) really
> > suggests that your information comes from a source that is really
> > erroneous.
> >
> > But don't take my word for it - go to sources outside those you have
> > obviously been solely relying upon (even if that takes you outside your
> > zone of comfort) and see what other information is out there. My
> > understanding was that the Christians were persecuted by the Romans for
> > many reasons to do with the dynamics of maintaining a multi-racial
> > empire. I also understand that the Jews regarded the Christians as
> > being (initially) a Jewish sect which did not comply with the norms that
> > the Jewish establishment thought Jewish sects should comply - one being
> > that it was a bit promiscuous in that it accepted Gentiles equally with
> > Jews.
> >
> > As for it being synonymous with slavery - as I said many people claiming
> > Christian cover have done things not countenanced by the message that
> > the Christian bible says Christ gave. Anyway, I am not going to enter
> > what is likely to be a tedious debate trying to get you to even
> > contemplate things that, from the tenor of your postings to date, you
> > are unlikely to consider.
> >
> > Garth Cartledge
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