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Definition of *HOMOPHOBIA* *:* irrational fear of, aversion to, or *discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals * — *ho·mo·pho·bic*\-ˈfō-bik\ *adjective* On 10/5/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: > > When did the fear of bipedal primates become the fear of gays and > lesbians? To me, it looks like another twisting of reality from the left. > > Homo – noun 1. the genus of bipedal primates that includes modern humans > and several extinct forms, distinguished by their large brains and a > dependence upon tools. > > phobia – noun 1. a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, > activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it. > > > On 10/5/2010 11:53 AM, Tommy News wrote: > > *On semantics, many words have multiple meanings, as any dictionary will > tell you.* > > Definition of *HOMOPHOBIA* > *:* irrational fear of, aversion to, or *discrimination against > homosexuality or homosexuals * > — *ho·mo·pho·bic*\-ˈfō-bik\ *adjective* > > > > On 10/5/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Lets see, >> >> >> a list of Phobias.... >> >> >> *phobia* (from the Greek <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language>: >> φόβος,*phóbos*, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, >> intense and persistent fear <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear> of >> certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. The main symptom >> of this disorder <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorder_%28medicine%29> is >> the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared stimulus. When the >> fear is beyond one's control, and if the fear is interfering with daily >> life, then a diagnosis under one of theanxiety >> disorders<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety_disorder> can >> be made.[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia#cite_note-0> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *No.* >>> ** >>> *Depression is a treatable mental illness.* >>> ** >>> *Homophobia is not a mental illness, but it is also treatable.* >>> >>> *There are Homophobes and bullies everywhere.* >>> >>> >>> On 10/5/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Tommy, >>>> >>>> >>>> I live in Latin America (Costa Rica).... trust me, you have never seen >>>> true homophobia.... nor have you seen a stronger gay population.... why do >>>> so many there commit suicide and so few here in this land of 'Machismo" ?? >>>> >>>> >>>> answer is simple.... self image and self value... get some and "outing" >>>> won't be a problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> Homophobia is just as much of a mental weakness as depression and can be >>>> just as "all consuming" it is also treatable.... but then one must want >>>> treatment, it can not be legislated. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> *1. Yes, they are dead and gone. But These suicides could have been >>>>> prevented and future ones can be..* >>>>> *2. Yes, They did it to themselves and homophobic bullying likely >>>>> caused it.* >>>>> *3. Yes. Depression is a mental illness, but it is treatable and >>>>> sucides can be prevented.* >>>>> *4. No, they did not all think the same thing. How can you possibly >>>>> presume to know what they were thinking? * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/5/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I can >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. they are all dead. >>>>>> 2. they did it themselves for whatever reason. >>>>>> 3. they all had an underlying mental problem. >>>>>> 4. they all thought the same thing... "I can't live with (or without) >>>>>> this stigma (or thing) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Mark no.* >>>>>>> ** >>>>>>> *Everyone is different.* >>>>>>> *Every trigger is different.* >>>>>>> *You canot make such generalisations about suicide victims.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tommy, No. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies person to >>>>>>>> person with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. Only >>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>> with one foot on the ledge can be shoved over. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* >>>>>>>>> ** >>>>>>>>> *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of >>>>>>>>> others, such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* >>>>>>>>> ** >>>>>>>>> *Suicide is caused by many factors.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] >>>>>>>>>> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit >>>>>>>>>> "self-murder." If someone else can be factually proven to be at >>>>>>>>>> fault, then >>>>>>>>>> that individual would be guilty of murder. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If >>>>>>>>>> not, you are jousting at windmills. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as >>>>>>>>>>> life itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to >>>>>>>>>>> themselves, >>>>>>>>>>> both real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL >>>>>>>>>>> suicides do >>>>>>>>>>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal >>>>>>>>>>> problem. It >>>>>>>>>>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that >>>>>>>>>>> causes me to >>>>>>>>>>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever >>>>>>>>>>> reason) >>>>>>>>>>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >>>>>>>>>>>> ** >>>>>>>>>>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >>>>>>>>>>>> *One suicide is one too many.* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *No man is an island* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >>>>>>>>>>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >>>>>>>>>>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >>>>>>>>>>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >>>>>>>>>>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >>>>>>>>>>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >>>>>>>>>>>> because I am involved in mankind. >>>>>>>>>>>> And therefore never send to know for whom >>>>>>>>>>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -John Donne >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that >>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the >>>>>>>>>>>>> law, isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> it ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another >>>>>>>>>>>>> exists in EVERY walk of life. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> homophobia is societal and must be eradicated. * >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men >>>>>>>>>>>>>> murdered by homophobia in America.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-life-support-following-suicide-attempt-over-anti-gay-bullying/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the images >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nominal9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you know ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first rather than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > ** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the internet by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > his straight roomate.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a societal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids a gay guy then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filmed him should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he took his own life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than homophobia, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think it does and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determine if it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not get a job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that someone better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> applied also. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life if he had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girl?* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secretly filmed the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shame, ridicule, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Tommy, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassing and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take his own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and love of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> ones self ??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President Obama and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Congress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Equality Bill, to amend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orientation and gender >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> identity.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > ** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bridge in New York >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> after his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have killed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> themselves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn, NY and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homophobia, school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> bullying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suicide letters. *** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clementi, the young man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> posted on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students accused of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be doing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> grave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this country >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times greater risk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having their private >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> sexual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> unlikely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this had been a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not likely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > the shame and fear that Mr. Clementi must have felt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > Yes, the 2 students accused of this crime must be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> held accountable for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > actions, but as a society we must all share >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility for creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > environment that drives young gay people to suicide. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This country has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> come a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > long way toward acceptance of gay people in the last >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few decades, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > still have a long way to go. Young gay people still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face bullying and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> abuse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > at home and at school; many experience ostracism by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family and friends; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > discrimination in school, work, housing and social >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services; and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> isolation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > from supportive communities of peers, as well as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-gay violence in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > and private. It's no wonder that the shame and fear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 'coming out' can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > fatal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > In the cyber world we now live in, there will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undoubtedly be more cases >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > invasions of privacy on the internet. They can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punished, but not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > prevented. It is up to all of us in this society to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> young gay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > people feel safe, secure and accepted, so that shame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fear never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> again >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > result in death. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > [Message clipped] -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
