*Wrong on both counts. * ** *1) What you belive is the truth is not the truth. * ** * The truth:* ** *Matthew Shepard was not a drug user. He was murdered by drug users because he was seen by McKinney and Henderson an easy gay small robbery target and because he was gay. * ** *The killer in prison said: "No I did not kill Shepard because he was gay. I killd him because I was strung out on drugs and he was gay." * ** *2) Democrats are mot Marxists, Socialists, or Communists.* * The rally was non-partesan.* Socialists advocate third parties such as "The Green Party.
On 10/5/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: > > *1) Tommy, we have already supplied you with links to the truth about the > Matthew Shepard murder. Why do you continue to live in denial? > > 2) If the Democrats aren't "Marxists, Socialists, or Communists," how come > there were so many Marxist, Socialist, and Communist sponsors for the > 10/02/10 Democratic One Nation rally at the Lincoln Memorial? (Which was > very poorly attended, considering how many people were bussed in by the > Unions.)* > > > On 10/5/2010 12:31 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > *This post is so filled with false statements that it would send a lie > detector off the charts.* > ** > *I suggest you read more about the murder of Matthew Shepard.* > *It was not a drug deal, as you falsely claim. Shepard only had five > dollars on him, and no drugs. He was not a drug user, as the two murderers > were.* > *Shepard was offered a ride home from the bar, then was kidnapped, > robbed, bullied, pistol whipped, had his skull fractured, was tied to a > fence and left to die in the cold because he was gay and was perceived > by McKinney and Henderson be an easy target, at their own admission in the > trial.* > ** > *The convicted murderer Aaron McKinney lied in prison to get off with > a chance at parole. and to claim it was not a hate crime, which it clearly > was. You are spouting off the lies of the convicted murderers, and may I ask > why you believe their false statements above the factual evidence? * > ** > *You are assuming other things as well. When have I ever said that I was > gay or bi or straight? Never! * > ** > *Keith, you are misguided and mistaken. * > ** > *In addition, to repeat yet again, Democrats are not Marxists, Socialists, > or Communists. No, they are not. > * > > On 10/5/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello Nominal, >> >> Yes. >> >> This is not to say that there are probably millions of individuals who are >> Gay, that don't fall into the "Militant Gay Agenda" category; but look at >> Tom, and all of the articles that he cuts and pastes. Take a gander at the >> web sites that are spreading vicious hateful lies, (and as you just >> admitted, the story continues to unfold). Take a look at how Matthew >> Shepard was made into a poster child for "hate crimes" and the whole story >> was premised on a lie. >> >> Does Tom speak for the majority of, or the minority of Gays in the United >> States? I dunno the answer to that. I do know that there are a lot of >> those with the "militant Gay Agenda" syndrome. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Keith.... >>> >>> I agree that the situation here is still being uncovered and >>> speculation may well be premature.....However, I ask you to consider >>> your own "Gay Agenda" claim.....Do you think that it is fair to lump >>> anyone's personal individual situation into a broad, generalised >>> classification such as a "group" Gay Agenda political context?.... >>> >>> On Oct 5, 1:13 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Hey Nominal, >>> > >>> > I am not exactly sure what your point is. Maybe I am missing Mark's >>> too, >>> > so feel free to chime in and correct me if I am mistaken. >>> > >>> > Let's review: >>> > >>> > This kid that we are referencing, killed himself. Committed suicide. >>> > Personally, I would classify that as some kind of mental illness. It >>> had >>> > nothing to do with anyone else killing him, the kid decided to take >>> his own >>> > life. >>> > >>> > The facts are just now coming out about this matter....Turns out that >>> maybe >>> > this had nothing to do with the roommate surrepticiously filming and >>> then, >>> > purportedly putting the film on the web. There are a number of links >>> on the >>> > web now, but the bottom line, is that it appears that Tyler Clementi >>> wasn't >>> > all that upset with his roommate. >>> > >>> > The point being, is that once again, we have a militant Gay Agenda, >>> > attempting to write a narrative that is both untruthful and misleading. >>> > >>> > There was no bullying (at least documented) of Tyler Clementi. Much >>> like >>> > the Matthew Shepard story, where Shepard was purportedly killed because >>> of >>> > his sexual orientation, it turned out that Shepard was killed because >>> he was >>> > in a drug deal that went bad. >>> > >>> > Likewise, it appears that Mr. Clementi's suicide was caused by >>> something >>> > other than the alleged "Bullying". >>> > >>> > It's just a little lie...... >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > Mark.... this "weakness" claim of yours is a"fiction".... doesn't >>> > > comport with human experience. Take the example of "growing up"... >>> > > from birth to relative maturity. At what point does a baby or a child >>> > > lose his/her emotional "weakness"....? Is a baby who is physically or >>> > > mentally abused by "grown-ups" (depraved ones, let's say).... >>> > > emotionally weak... for crying or trying to escape? If not a "baby" >>> > > then at what point in an abusive continuum does a "youngster" >>> develop >>> > > into emotional "maturity" and therefor no longer has a right to claim >>> > > victimization from an abuser.... twelve, thirteen, eighteen, twenty- >>> > > one... thirty-five... fifty? >>> > > You seem to have this John Wayne tough-guy movie fiction working in >>> > > your head.....Maybe you should talk to some honest-to-goodness, real- >>> > > life stand-up people.... and stop depending on romanticized "gung-ho" >>> > > pablum for your assumptions into something you probably have never >>> > > experienced, yourself.... >>> > > Sounds like tough talk on my part.... but, frankly, tell me if and >>> > > when you have had experience in this regard, yourself... you know... >>> > > standing up to very aggressive or assertive people, who struck >>> > > understandable and "doable" fear into you.... >>> > >>> > > On Oct 5, 10:07 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > Oh, but they are weaknesses....... show me ONE that is a strength >>> or that >>> > > > makes you NORMAL. It is a weakness in fact and by definition. >>> > >>> > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > > > *No Mark. You are misinformed.* >>> > > > > ** >>> > > > > *Depression is not a weakness, it is a mental illness.* >>> > > > > ** >>> > > > > *Ilnesses are not weaknesses. >>> > > > > * >>> > >>> > > > > On 10/4/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >> *****Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" >>> > > > >> condition... it's "social", too.**** >>> > >>> > > > >> Please explain which disease or weakness of the Psyche is not >>> effected >>> > > by >>> > > > >> ALL outside influences.... Depression is a weakness... if you >>> want >>> > > protected >>> > > > >> because you have it... wear a sign... do not expect different or >>> > > special >>> > > > >> treatment by anyone unless you inform them all. >>> > >>> > > > >> Again, to drive him over the edge he must have been doing >>> something >>> > > that >>> > > > >> he found so personally, morally or socially >>> repugnant/unacceptable... >>> > > for >>> > > > >> whatever reason and this is and was his OWN problem. >>> > >>> > > > >> As to candid cameraman... prosecute him.... but NOT for the boys >>> > > suicide >>> > > > >> (read the definition). >>> > >>> > > > >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" >>> > > > >>> condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide >>> victim was >>> > > > >>> doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, >>> apparently) >>> > > > >>> by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" >>> of the >>> > > > >>> act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his >>> knowledge or >>> > > > >>> consent, against his will) anfd then having those >>> video-recordings >>> > > > >>> broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of >>> "psychology" >>> > > > >>> the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who >>> performed the >>> > > > >>> act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient) >>> > > > >>> first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own >>> act >>> > > of >>> > > > >>> suicide. >>> > >>> > > > >>> ROOM-MATE >>> > > > >>> I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can >>> live >>> > > > >>> C(BAD)..........R(BAD).... >>> > > > >>> I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want >>> them >>> > > > >>> dead >>> > >>> > > > >>> VICTIM >>> > > > >>> love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide >>> > > > >>> C(GOOD).......R(GOOD).... >>> > > > >>> love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live >>> > >>> > > > >>> ROOM-MATE >>> > > > >>> Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy >>> > > > >>> C(BAD)....R(BAD).... >>> > > > >>> Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame >>> > >>> > > > >>> VICTIM >>> > > > >>> hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live >>> > > > >>> C(BAD) .......R(BAD)...... >>> > > > >>> hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide >>> > >>> > > > >>> Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the >>> ROOMMATE took >>> > > > >>> on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the >>> act that >>> > > > >>> was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" >>> him >>> > > > >>> to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" >>> of >>> > > > >>> someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly >>> that) >>> > > > >>> and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... >>> personally, >>> > > my >>> > > > >>> moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should >>> have >>> > > > >>> killed the ROOM-MATE, instead. >>> > >>> > > > >>> On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > Tommy, No. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies >>> person to >>> > > > >>> person >>> > > > >>> > with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. >>> Only >>> > > those >>> > > > >>> with >>> > > > >>> > one foot on the ledge can be shoved over. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > > >>> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* >>> > > > >>> > > ** >>> > > > >>> > > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the >>> acts >>> > > of >>> > > > >>> others, >>> > > > >>> > > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* >>> > > > >>> > > ** >>> > > > >>> > > *Suicide is caused by many factors.* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many >>> factors.* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] >>> > > > >>> > >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own >>> life. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit >>> > > > >>> "self-murder." If >>> > > > >>> > >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then >>> that >>> > > > >>> individual >>> > > > >>> > >> would be guilty of murder. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for >>> murder? >>> > > If >>> > > > >>> not, >>> > > > >>> > >> you are jousting at windmills. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as >>> ancient >>> > > as >>> > > > >>> life >>> > > > >>> > >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to >>> > > > >>> themselves, both >>> > > > >>> > >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL >>> > > suicides >>> > > > >>> do >>> > > > >>> > >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a >>> personal >>> > > > >>> problem. It >>> > > > >>> > >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated >>> that >>> > > > >>> causes me to >>> > > > >>> > >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for >>> > > whatever >>> > > > >>> reason) >>> > > > >>> > >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting >>> like one. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News < >>> > > [email protected]> >>> > > > >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >>> > > > >>> > >>>> ** >>> > > > >>> > >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >>> > > > >>> > >>>> *One suicide is one too many.* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> *No man is an island* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >>> > > > >>> > >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >>> > > > >>> > >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >>> > > > >>> > >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >>> > > > >>> > >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >>> > > > >>> > >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >>> > > > >>> > >>>> because I am involved in mankind. >>> > > > >>> > >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom >>> > > > >>> > >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> -John Donne >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of >>> that >>> > > > >>> nothing >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the >>> law, >>> > > > >>> isn't it ?? >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me >>> do it >>> > > !!" >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or >>> another >>> > > > >>> exists in >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> EVERY walk of life. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News < >>> > > > >>> [email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of >>> > > homophobia >>> > > > >>> is >>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – >>> > >>> >>> > ... >>> > >>> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at >>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. 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