Greg, Tommy does not converse, he quotes the radical left line... he is a parrot (apologies to Parrots) He has never ONCE responded with a single personl thought, idea or answered a direct question openly and honestly.
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, GregfromBoston <[email protected]>wrote: > WHY was DADT necessary Tommy? > > On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > Greg- > > > > DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who > > convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward. Obviously, > > the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and careers, > > and it has now been repealed. > > Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your twisted > > pretzel glue logic will not work. > > > > On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT necessary > > > in the first place? Whole bunch still there. > > > > > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? Cuz the > > > hundreds, just became dems. > > > > > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the house who > > >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. > > > > >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that > > >> > voted > > >> > against DADT [repeal]?? > > >> > -------------------------------- > > > > >> > Uh oh! > > > > >> > Tom? > > > > >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that > voted > > >> >> against DADT?? > > > > >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > I disagree. > > > > >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT repeal. > They > > >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone homophobia. John > McCain, > > >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst of the lot. > We > > >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. > > > > >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it > > >> >> > > will > > >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against the > > >> >> > > Omnibus > > >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn > something > > >> >> > > but > > >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of the > > >> >> > > votes > > >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other than > > >> >> > > DADT. > > >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to blaming > > >> >> > > anything > > >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. > > >> >> > > Obviously > > >> >> > > that is not so. > > > > >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 > > >> >> > >> Republican > > >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a long > > >> >> > >> overdue > > >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and Passige > of > > >> >> > >> ENDA > > >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill for > Civil > > >> >> > >> Rights are next. > > > > >> >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ > > > > >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times > > >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority > Leader > > >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the “don’t ask, > don’t > > >> >> > >> tell” vote. > > > > >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE > > >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down > the > > >> >> > >> ban > > >> >> > >> on > > >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, bringing > to a > > >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands > of > > >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret > their > > >> >> > >> sexual > > >> >> > >> orientation. > > > > >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. Lieberman, > > >> >> > >> Susan > > >> >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on the > > >> >> > >> repeal > > >> >> > >> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” > > > > >> >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining > Democrats, > > >> >> > >> the > > >> >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the > > >> >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a policy > > >> >> > >> critics > > >> >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that > treated > > >> >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. > > > > >> >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to > reverse > > >> >> > >> the > > >> >> > >> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our > history.” > > > > >> >> > >> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that > making > > >> >> > >> this change will only underscore the professionalism of our > troops > > >> >> > >> as > > >> >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has > ever > > >> >> > >> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a > preliminary > > >> >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final > action > > >> >> > >> on > > >> >> > >> the repeal bill. > > > > >> >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the > end > > >> >> > >> of > > >> >> > >> racial segregation in the military. > > > > >> >> > >> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined the > > >> >> > >> policy > > >> >> > >> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit > cohesion > > >> >> > >> and > > >> >> > >> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine Corps > > >> >> > >> expressed greater reservations about the shift. Congressional > > >> >> > >> action > > >> >> > >> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to a > > >> >> > >> court-ordered end. > > > > >> >> > >> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to abolish > > >> >> > >> what > > >> >> > >> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable > personnel > > >> >> > >> and > > >> >> > >> forced troops to lie to serve their country. > > > > >> >> > >> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the > > >> >> > >> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to end > the > > >> >> > >> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” > > > > >> >> > >> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that > would > > >> >> > >> have > > >> >> > >> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants > who > > >> >> > >> came > > >> >> > >> to the United States at a young age, completed two years of > > >> >> > >> college > > >> >> > >> or > > >> >> > >> military service and met other requirements including passing > a > > >> >> > >> criminal background check. > > > > >> >> > >> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five > votes > > >> >> > >> short of the number needed to clear the way for final passage > of > > >> >> > >> what > > >> >> > >> is known as the Dream Act. > > > > >> >> > >> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its fate > > >> >> > >> beyond > > >> >> > >> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control of > the > > >> >> > >> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to bring > it > > >> >> > >> to a > > >> >> > >> vote. > > > > >> >> > >> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, engaging > in > > >> >> > >> an > > >> >> > >> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as > > >> >> > >> advocates > > >> >> > >> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people > interested > > >> >> > >> in > > >> >> > >> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. > > > > >> >> > >> “I don’t care who you love,” Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of > > >> >> > >> Oregon, > > >> >> > >> said as the debate opened. “If you love this country enough to > > >> >> > >> risk > > >> >> > >> your life for it, you shouldn’t have to hide who you are.” > > > > >> >> > >> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying earlier > > >> >> > >> that > > >> >> > >> he > > >> >> > >> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing final > > >> >> > >> tests > > >> >> > >> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday. > > > > >> >> > >> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as > Democrats > > >> >> > >> sought to force through a final few priorities before they > turn > > >> >> > >> over > > >> >> > >> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans in > > >> >> > >> January > > >> >> > >> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. > > > > >> >> > >> It represented a significant victory for the White House, > > >> >> > >> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists who > have > > >> >> > >> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 > under > > >> >> > >> the > > >> >> > >> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the > practice > > >> >> > >> of > > >> >> > >> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military service. > > > > >> >> > >> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of the > gay > > >> >> > >> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of “don’t > > >> >> > >> ask, > > >> >> > >> don’t tell” exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber after > the > > >> >> > >> vote. > > > > >> >> > >> “Today’s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted all > > >> >> > >> around > > >> >> > >> the world can stand taller knowing that ‘don’t ask, don’t > tell’ > > >> >> > >> will > > >> >> > >> soon be coming to an end,” said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army veteran > and > > >> >> > >> executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. > > > > >> >> > >> Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his party’s > > >> >> > >> presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the > repeal > > >> >> > >> and > > >> >> > >> said the vote was a sad day in history. > > > > >> >> > >> “I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will > understand > > >> >> > >> that we are doing great damage,” Mr. McCain said. “And we > could > > >> >> > >> possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine Corps > said, > > >> >> > >> and > > >> >> > >> as I have been told by literally thousands of members of the > > >> >> > >> military, > > >> >> > >> harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our > young > > >> >> > >> men > > >> >> > >> and women in the military.” > > > > >> >> > >> He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change could > > >> >> > >> harm > > >> >> > >> the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military > > >> >> > >> operations, > > >> >> > >> particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from > enlisting or > > >> >> > >> pursuing a career in the military. 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