Markie Mark- Wrong yet again. Please speak for yourself.
On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Greg, > > Tommy does not converse, he quotes the radical left line... he is a parrot > (apologies to Parrots) He has never ONCE responded with a single personl > thought, idea or answered a direct question openly and honestly. > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, GregfromBoston > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> WHY was DADT necessary Tommy? >> >> On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Greg- >> > >> > DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who >> > convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward. Obviously, >> > the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and careers, >> > and it has now been repealed. >> > Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your twisted >> > pretzel glue logic will not work. >> > >> > On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT necessary >> > > in the first place? Whole bunch still there. >> > >> > > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? Cuz the >> > > hundreds, just became dems. >> > >> > > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the house who >> > >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. >> > >> > >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that >> > >> > voted >> > >> > against DADT [repeal]?? >> > >> > -------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > Uh oh! >> > >> > >> > Tom? >> > >> > >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that >> voted >> > >> >> against DADT?? >> > >> > >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> > >> >> wrote: >> > >> >> > I disagree. >> > >> > >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT repeal. >> They >> > >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone homophobia. John >> McCain, >> > >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst of the >> > >> >> > lot. >> We >> > >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. >> > >> > >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and >> > >> >> > > it >> > >> >> > > will >> > >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against the >> > >> >> > > Omnibus >> > >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn >> something >> > >> >> > > but >> > >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of the >> > >> >> > > votes >> > >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other >> > >> >> > > than >> > >> >> > > DADT. >> > >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to blaming >> > >> >> > > anything >> > >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. >> > >> >> > > Obviously >> > >> >> > > that is not so. >> > >> > >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 >> > >> >> > >> Republican >> > >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a >> > >> >> > >> long >> > >> >> > >> overdue >> > >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and Passige >> of >> > >> >> > >> ENDA >> > >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill for >> Civil >> > >> >> > >> Rights are next. >> > >> > >> >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ >> > >> > >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times >> > >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority >> Leader >> > >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the “don’t ask, >> don’t >> > >> >> > >> tell” vote. >> > >> > >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE >> > >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down >> the >> > >> >> > >> ban >> > >> >> > >> on >> > >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, bringing >> to a >> > >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands >> of >> > >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret >> their >> > >> >> > >> sexual >> > >> >> > >> orientation. >> > >> > >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. >> > >> >> > >> Lieberman, >> > >> >> > >> Susan >> > >> >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on the >> > >> >> > >> repeal >> > >> >> > >> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” >> > >> > >> >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining >> Democrats, >> > >> >> > >> the >> > >> >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the >> > >> >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a policy >> > >> >> > >> critics >> > >> >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that >> treated >> > >> >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. >> > >> > >> >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to >> reverse >> > >> >> > >> the >> > >> >> > >> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our >> history.” >> > >> > >> >> > >> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that >> making >> > >> >> > >> this change will only underscore the professionalism of our >> troops >> > >> >> > >> as >> > >> >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has >> ever >> > >> >> > >> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a >> preliminary >> > >> >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final >> action >> > >> >> > >> on >> > >> >> > >> the repeal bill. >> > >> > >> >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the >> end >> > >> >> > >> of >> > >> >> > >> racial segregation in the military. >> > >> > >> >> > >> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined the >> > >> >> > >> policy >> > >> >> > >> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit >> cohesion >> > >> >> > >> and >> > >> >> > >> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine >> > >> >> > >> Corps >> > >> >> > >> expressed greater reservations about the shift. Congressional >> > >> >> > >> action >> > >> >> > >> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to a >> > >> >> > >> court-ordered end. >> > >> > >> >> > >> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to >> > >> >> > >> abolish >> > >> >> > >> what >> > >> >> > >> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable >> personnel >> > >> >> > >> and >> > >> >> > >> forced troops to lie to serve their country. >> > >> > >> >> > >> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the >> > >> >> > >> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to >> > >> >> > >> end >> the >> > >> >> > >> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” >> > >> > >> >> > >> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that >> would >> > >> >> > >> have >> > >> >> > >> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants >> who >> > >> >> > >> came >> > >> >> > >> to the United States at a young age, completed two years of >> > >> >> > >> college >> > >> >> > >> or >> > >> >> > >> military service and met other requirements including passing >> a >> > >> >> > >> criminal background check. >> > >> > >> >> > >> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five >> votes >> > >> >> > >> short of the number needed to clear the way for final passage >> of >> > >> >> > >> what >> > >> >> > >> is known as the Dream Act. >> > >> > >> >> > >> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its fate >> > >> >> > >> beyond >> > >> >> > >> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control >> > >> >> > >> of >> the >> > >> >> > >> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to bring >> it >> > >> >> > >> to a >> > >> >> > >> vote. >> > >> > >> >> > >> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, >> > >> >> > >> engaging >> in >> > >> >> > >> an >> > >> >> > >> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as >> > >> >> > >> advocates >> > >> >> > >> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people >> interested >> > >> >> > >> in >> > >> >> > >> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. >> > >> > >> >> > >> “I don’t care who you love,” Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of >> > >> >> > >> Oregon, >> > >> >> > >> said as the debate opened. “If you love this country enough >> > >> >> > >> to >> > >> >> > >> risk >> > >> >> > >> your life for it, you shouldn’t have to hide who you are.” >> > >> > >> >> > >> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying >> > >> >> > >> earlier >> > >> >> > >> that >> > >> >> > >> he >> > >> >> > >> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing final >> > >> >> > >> tests >> > >> >> > >> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday. >> > >> > >> >> > >> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as >> Democrats >> > >> >> > >> sought to force through a final few priorities before they >> turn >> > >> >> > >> over >> > >> >> > >> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans in >> > >> >> > >> January >> > >> >> > >> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. >> > >> > >> >> > >> It represented a significant victory for the White House, >> > >> >> > >> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists who >> have >> > >> >> > >> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 >> under >> > >> >> > >> the >> > >> >> > >> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the >> practice >> > >> >> > >> of >> > >> >> > >> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military service. >> > >> > >> >> > >> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of the >> gay >> > >> >> > >> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of >> > >> >> > >> “don’t >> > >> >> > >> ask, >> > >> >> > >> don’t tell” exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber after >> the >> > >> >> > >> vote. >> > >> > >> >> > >> “Today’s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted >> > >> >> > >> all >> > >> >> > >> around >> > >> >> > >> the world can stand taller knowing that ‘don’t ask, don’t >> tell’ >> > >> >> > >> will >> > >> >> > >> soon be coming to an end,” said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army >> > >> >> > >> veteran >> and >> > >> >> > >> executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. >> > >> > >> >> > >> Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his party’s >> > >> >> > >> presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the >> repeal >> > >> >> > >> and >> > >> >> > >> said the vote was a sad day in history. >> > >> > >> >> > >> “I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will >> understand >> > >> >> > >> that we are doing great damage,” Mr. McCain said. “And we >> could >> > >> >> > >> possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine Corps >> said, >> > >> >> > >> and >> > >> >> > >> as I have been told by literally thousands of members of the >> > >> >> > >> military, >> > >> >> > >> harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our >> young >> > >> >> > >> men >> > >> >> > >> and women in the military.” >> > >> > >> >> > >> He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change >> > >> >> > >> could >> > >> >> > >> harm >> > >> >> > >> the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military >> > >> >> > >> operations, >> > >> >> > >> particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from >> enlisting or >> > >> >> > >> pursuing a career in the military. They noted that despite >> support >> > >> >> > >> for >> > >> >> > >> repealing the ban from Defense >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > > > -- > Mark M. Kahle H. > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. 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