Keith- Although you flippantly state that "Yea, I am an arrogant asshole", you are in fact a misguided homophobe, as you have demonstrated clearly in your anti-gay statements in these groups.
I suggest that you make youself a New Year's resolution to become an ally, champion, and advocate for your oppressed gay friends and group members, as other Republicans have done. Merry Christmas. On 12/20/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Wayne! > > How do ya think stereotypes get started? Any truth to them? > > Hey Vince! > > Well, the last thing I wanted to come across as, was condescending! Yea, I > am an arrogant asshole, but usually a pretty friendly asshole! Nope, not > pacifying anyone, ya wanna hear the truth? Come on over and I will shed > the light for ya! > > Good to see ya, and Merry Christmas! > > KeithInDC > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, vince brackney > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> You know it isn't really worth the effort to get Keith to see the other >> side of the coin. Nothing more condescending than someone who claims they >> are not prejudice and then make the statements that he does. It like >> saying >> I have gay friends so I am not a hater, when really they are just >> pacifying >> us. >> >> He is really saying these things based on his experience of years ago, and >> I suspect that was before DADT was even in existence. He has opinion just >> like everyone else. And everyone has the right to his or hers own opinion. >> I >> just wish it wasn't aired in this group. >> >> I am very thankful for the straight friends I do have that are truly not >> prejudice and except me for who I am. Wish we had more of them in the >> world. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wayne berry <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> oh god, keith, i love ya! but do not tell me that you really can't see >>> the >>> forest for the trees? >>> heterosexuality represents 90% of the population. in fact if i am not >>> carrying a CD by madonna in my rainbow colored purse, no one ever >>> suspects >>> i'm gay! no one suspects my husband is bisexual even when he says judas >>> priest is his favorite metal band! because most people are straight, the >>> assumption both gays AND straights operate under is that when you meet a >>> man >>> you recognize that odds are pretty good he likes the ladies - you got a 9 >>> in >>> 10 chance and rarely will you be wrong. except when you ARE wrong. >>> stereotypes exist because in any group you can name there are often >>> people >>> who fit certain ideas that are recognized - some jews ARE cheap, some >>> white >>> people ARE incredibly "uptight", some gays DO prefer flowers to >>> football... >>> but within any stereotype there are plenty enough dissonances to reveal a >>> stereotype for what it is... a careless and casual painting of a large >>> group >>> of people as being all the same, when indeed none of us are. >>> no one has to say they are straight because there are so many of you that >>> you can scarcely imagine people who are not like you. >>> my jobs in kitchens are not as regimented as the military, yet there's >>> still a certain amount of macho involved in the job! but here is the >>> thing... in all but the most antiseptic atmospheres, someone is gonna ask >>> you about your life outside the job. and there is nothing that sounds >>> worse >>> than saying you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or even just some girl >>> you >>> bang now and again, than saying, "oh, i'm sorry i don't talk about >>> personal >>> stuff like that." or weirder if you constantly avoid the question. when >>> there is no penalty for telling the truth you are much less a freak when >>> you >>> answer truthfully, "well, no i don't have a wife or a girlfriend... i'm >>> gay >>> and i have a husband/boyfriend... ' or even, "i'm not seeing anyone >>> 'special' right now, but i'm doing OK, if ya catch my drift." >>> i mean on one hand being gay informs a lot of my life (my tastes are >>> somewhat different from yours, observably, aren't they?) but in the most >>> mundane aspects of life - the need for personal connection, the need to >>> eat, >>> the need to have some sort of meaning in your work? it's the same for a >>> straight guy as a gay guy. >>> i really can't understand your need to cling to a fairly outdated concept >>> of what a gay man is when you are the moderator of a group that gives you >>> every evidence of a gay men who are far from those stereotypical >>> pictures. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Keith In Tampa >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Mustang! Good to see ya! >>>> >>>> First, I knew, when I wrote my initial missive, that there would be at >>>> least one thinking, "common sense" kinda guy (<Grin!!> asshole!!) who >>>> would >>>> call me on my last missive! Touche'! >>>> >>>> It is in fact a hard concept that I was attempting to frame, and you >>>> are correct....Sort of. >>>> >>>> Yes, as I stated, the military cultivates a "Macho" image, and it is >>>> hard >>>> to not separate the Macho Man who is the ladies' man. This is in direct >>>> conflict with my statement that the military does not allow for those >>>> who >>>> wear their sexual identity on their sleeve. >>>> >>>> There are a number of men in the military who do in fact play the >>>> "cassanova" role. I will admit that to a degree, this is a double >>>> standard >>>> and in conflict with my premise. >>>> >>>> Having said that, in my 53 years, I have yet to meet a Heterosexual, who >>>> identifies himself as a, "Heterosexual". That his whole life revolves >>>> around being, "Heterosexual". His politics; his social life; his >>>> mannerisms; his diet; his wardrobe; his decor; his passions, likes, >>>> dislikes, hatreds, loves, and yes, sexual appetite, are all defined by >>>> his >>>> "Straightness". >>>> >>>> Please point this/these individual(s) out to me. >>>> >>>> Therein lies the distinction, and no, nothing about the repeal of DADT >>>> will change the rejection by the United States Military on this one >>>> major >>>> issue, of Gay men or women who choose to defend our Nation. Just like >>>> their >>>> straight counterparts, they cannot and will not be able to broadcast >>>> their >>>> sexual proclivities, as is done so much in the Gay community, and maybe >>>> in >>>> some Heterosexual social circles; (Like the Nudist/Swapping crews). >>>> >>>> KeithInDC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Mustang <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Keith, >>>>> >>>>> While I agree with many, if not most, things you say we disagree on a >>>>> couple. This being one of them. >>>>> >>>>> "The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality openly, >>>>> or to >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. >>>>> " >>>>> >>>>> Heterosexuals already do wear their sexuality preference openly. >>>>> >>>>> Are you saying that everyone will suddenly be forbidden any opportunity >>>>> to display or even have pictures of their family and friends? No one >>>>> will >>>>> be allowed to admit they write, call, or discuss any communications >>>>> with >>>>> their wives, husbands, girlfriends or boyfriends? No one will be >>>>> allowed to >>>>> talk about how things are going at home or plans after discharge? >>>>> While on >>>>> leave, no one can invite a male or female military friend to spend the >>>>> Holidays with a spouse, or to openly have two Dads or two Moms? >>>>> >>>>> The Israeli military has not gone to hell in a hand basket. They have >>>>> no problem with both genders or gay people being drafted and then >>>>> working >>>>> cohesively. It's the same as acceptance of blacks and women was >>>>> decades >>>>> ago. Much ado about nothing. I am certain our military will be able >>>>> to >>>>> keep their minds focused on the tasks assigned. Anyone who is >>>>> qualified >>>>> should have the right to apply to defend our nation. Absolute 100% >>>>> heterosexuality should not be a requirement. Nothing will change. >>>>> >>>>> Mustang >>>>> >>>>> Bigotry disguised as morality is still bigotry just as an outhouse with >>>>> marble columns is still an outhouse. - D.A. Ridgely (whomever he is) >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 9:18:24 AM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Historical Pictorial] Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t >>>>> Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 Republican No Votes and John McCain's >>>>> Fillibuster Attempt >>>>> >>>>> No question, I see this issue from a different perspective than I >>>>> believe most do here in HP. >>>>> >>>>> I don't see the DADT repeal as being all that significant, and although >>>>> I agree with Rob and his assessment, I also think that there is a >>>>> major >>>>> component to all of this, that Rob, or anyone else in the group has >>>>> touched >>>>> upon. >>>>> >>>>> The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality openly, >>>>> or to >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. In other words, NO >>>>> ONE >>>>> in the military can be or will be identified by their sexual >>>>> proclivities or >>>>> sexual identification, which is a common factor in the Gay community. >>>>> This >>>>> is where so many in the Gay community are mistaken. >>>>> >>>>> The military will boot out a service member who is an admitted >>>>> adulterer. Service members who are into any type of >>>>> sado-masochistic activities and make them public will be summarily >>>>> discharged. Those service members who are into "swinging" and have >>>>> multiple >>>>> sexual partners, and who make that aspect of their lives public, will >>>>> be >>>>> shown the door and discharged. All branches of the service will not >>>>> condone any member who bases his or her lifestyle upon their sexual >>>>> identiy. >>>>> >>>>> Nothng has changed. >>>>> >>>>> Just as important, the military does in fact have and embrace a "Macho" >>>>> image. This is requisite for combat. Yes, there are women in the >>>>> service >>>>> but not in combat arms. The lifestyle is tough, rugged and most of the >>>>> time >>>>> uncomfortable. The stereotypical Gay male will not be condoned. The >>>>> combat >>>>> units of the Army and Marines are all male and all the males talk about >>>>> doing their girl friends as they charge the enemy with cigars hanging >>>>> out >>>>> their mouths; not penises. This is the image that our military >>>>> cultivates. It is good for morale, it is good for unit cohesiveness, >>>>> and >>>>> most importantly, it is but one component of what makes our military >>>>> the >>>>> mightiest in the world. Again, this image is not going to change. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical >>>>> media, >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! >>>>> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical >>>>> media, >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! >>>>> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, >>>> which >>>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, >>>> and >>>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! >>>> >>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - wayne. >>> >>> goto> http://waynes-nude-musicians.blogspot.com/ >>> http://blueguitar.tumblr.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, which >>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, and >>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! >>> >>> For options and help, please visit the group at: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral >>> >> >> -- >> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, which >> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, and >> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! >> >> For options and help, please visit the group at: >> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral >> > > -- > Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, which is > the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, and > discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > > For options and help, please visit the group at: > http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. 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