Obviously, homophobia was worse before DADT. Gays were more often bullied, beaten, tortured, and murdered, simply for being who they are. That still happens, but is gradually lessening as young people gradually learn to be more tolerant and accepting of gays, and as the older homophobes die off.
DADT has been repealed, and the law was signed by President Obama this morning. Are you still arguing against repeal? On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Tommy, > > Can you tell me what happened to Gays/Lesbians in the military prior to DADT > ? > > Can you tell me exactly what is different now from before DADT ? > > Lets have a REAL discussion. > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Again, Keith, your homophobia is showing. >> Most gays do not fit your homophobic stereotypic ideas of flamboyancy >> and transgenderism. Many, in fact, are more "macho" and muscular than >> many heterosexuals, and that is especially true among lesbians, who I >> love and respect deeply. >> >> Gays already serve, and make fine, well behaved, heroic soldiers, and >> are well practiced at hiding and surpressing their sexuality, unlike >> many straight soldiers >> who go around bragging about thier sexual conquests, being vulgar, and >> showing sometimes lewed "affection" in public. >> >> The existing Military Code of Conduct will be more than adequate for >> any isolated behavioral incidents which may arise. >> >> >> >> On 12/19/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > No question, I see this issue from a different perspective than I >> > believe >> > most do here in HP. >> > >> > I don't see the DADT repeal as being all that significant, and although >> > I >> > agree with Rob and his assessment, I also think that there is a major >> > component to all of this, that Rob, or anyone else in the group has >> touched >> > upon. >> > >> > The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include >> heterosexuals >> > as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality openly, or to broadcast >> > their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. In other words, NO ONE in the >> > military can be or will be identified by their sexual proclivities or >> sexual >> > identification, which is a common factor in the Gay community. This is >> > where so many in the Gay community are mistaken. >> > >> > The military will boot out a service member who is an admitted >> > adulterer. Service members who are into any type of >> > sado-masochistic activities and make them public will be summarily >> > discharged. Those service members who are into "swinging" and have >> multiple >> > sexual partners, and who make that aspect of their lives public, will be >> > shown the door and discharged. All branches of the service will not >> > condone any member who bases his or her lifestyle upon their sexual >> > identiy. >> > >> > Nothng has changed. >> > >> > Just as important, the military does in fact have and embrace a "Macho" >> > image. This is requisite for combat. Yes, there are women in the >> > service >> > but not in combat arms. The lifestyle is tough, rugged and most of the >> time >> > uncomfortable. The stereotypical Gay male will not be condoned. The >> combat >> > units of the Army and Marines are all male and all the males talk about >> > doing their girl friends as they charge the enemy with cigars hanging >> > out >> > their mouths; not penises. This is the image that our military >> > cultivates. It is good for morale, it is good for unit cohesiveness, >> > and >> > most importantly, it is but one component of what makes our military the >> > mightiest in the world. Again, this image is not going to change. >> > >> > -- >> > Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, >> > which >> is >> > the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, and >> > discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! >> > >> > For options and help, please visit the group at: >> > http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral >> > >> >> >> -- >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> Have a great day, >> Tommy >> >> >> >> -- >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> Have a great day, >> Tommy >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > > > > -- > Mark M. 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