Tommy, Where is the need to champion ANY group when you champion all as equals ??
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Keith- > > Although you flippantly state that "Yea, I am an arrogant asshole", > you are in fact a misguided homophobe, as you have demonstrated > clearly in your anti-gay statements in these groups. > > I suggest that you make youself a New Year's resolution to become an > ally, champion, and advocate for your oppressed gay friends and group > members, as other Republicans have done. > > Merry Christmas. > > On 12/20/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey Wayne! > > > > How do ya think stereotypes get started? Any truth to them? > > > > Hey Vince! > > > > Well, the last thing I wanted to come across as, was condescending! Yea, > I > > am an arrogant asshole, but usually a pretty friendly asshole! Nope, not > > pacifying anyone, ya wanna hear the truth? Come on over and I will shed > > the light for ya! > > > > Good to see ya, and Merry Christmas! > > > > KeithInDC > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, vince brackney > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> You know it isn't really worth the effort to get Keith to see the other > >> side of the coin. Nothing more condescending than someone who claims > they > >> are not prejudice and then make the statements that he does. It like > >> saying > >> I have gay friends so I am not a hater, when really they are just > >> pacifying > >> us. > >> > >> He is really saying these things based on his experience of years ago, > and > >> I suspect that was before DADT was even in existence. He has opinion > just > >> like everyone else. And everyone has the right to his or hers own > opinion. > >> I > >> just wish it wasn't aired in this group. > >> > >> I am very thankful for the straight friends I do have that are truly not > >> prejudice and except me for who I am. Wish we had more of them in the > >> world. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wayne berry <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> oh god, keith, i love ya! but do not tell me that you really can't see > >>> the > >>> forest for the trees? > >>> heterosexuality represents 90% of the population. in fact if i am not > >>> carrying a CD by madonna in my rainbow colored purse, no one ever > >>> suspects > >>> i'm gay! no one suspects my husband is bisexual even when he says judas > >>> priest is his favorite metal band! because most people are straight, > the > >>> assumption both gays AND straights operate under is that when you meet > a > >>> man > >>> you recognize that odds are pretty good he likes the ladies - you got a > 9 > >>> in > >>> 10 chance and rarely will you be wrong. except when you ARE wrong. > >>> stereotypes exist because in any group you can name there are often > >>> people > >>> who fit certain ideas that are recognized - some jews ARE cheap, some > >>> white > >>> people ARE incredibly "uptight", some gays DO prefer flowers to > >>> football... > >>> but within any stereotype there are plenty enough dissonances to reveal > a > >>> stereotype for what it is... a careless and casual painting of a large > >>> group > >>> of people as being all the same, when indeed none of us are. > >>> no one has to say they are straight because there are so many of you > that > >>> you can scarcely imagine people who are not like you. > >>> my jobs in kitchens are not as regimented as the military, yet there's > >>> still a certain amount of macho involved in the job! but here is the > >>> thing... in all but the most antiseptic atmospheres, someone is gonna > ask > >>> you about your life outside the job. and there is nothing that sounds > >>> worse > >>> than saying you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or even just some > girl > >>> you > >>> bang now and again, than saying, "oh, i'm sorry i don't talk about > >>> personal > >>> stuff like that." or weirder if you constantly avoid the question. when > >>> there is no penalty for telling the truth you are much less a freak > when > >>> you > >>> answer truthfully, "well, no i don't have a wife or a girlfriend... i'm > >>> gay > >>> and i have a husband/boyfriend... ' or even, "i'm not seeing anyone > >>> 'special' right now, but i'm doing OK, if ya catch my drift." > >>> i mean on one hand being gay informs a lot of my life (my tastes are > >>> somewhat different from yours, observably, aren't they?) but in the > most > >>> mundane aspects of life - the need for personal connection, the need to > >>> eat, > >>> the need to have some sort of meaning in your work? it's the same for a > >>> straight guy as a gay guy. > >>> i really can't understand your need to cling to a fairly outdated > concept > >>> of what a gay man is when you are the moderator of a group that gives > you > >>> every evidence of a gay men who are far from those stereotypical > >>> pictures. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Keith In Tampa > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello Mustang! Good to see ya! > >>>> > >>>> First, I knew, when I wrote my initial missive, that there would be at > >>>> least one thinking, "common sense" kinda guy (<Grin!!> asshole!!) who > >>>> would > >>>> call me on my last missive! Touche'! > >>>> > >>>> It is in fact a hard concept that I was attempting to frame, and you > >>>> are correct....Sort of. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, as I stated, the military cultivates a "Macho" image, and it is > >>>> hard > >>>> to not separate the Macho Man who is the ladies' man. This is in > direct > >>>> conflict with my statement that the military does not allow for those > >>>> who > >>>> wear their sexual identity on their sleeve. > >>>> > >>>> There are a number of men in the military who do in fact play the > >>>> "cassanova" role. I will admit that to a degree, this is a double > >>>> standard > >>>> and in conflict with my premise. > >>>> > >>>> Having said that, in my 53 years, I have yet to meet a Heterosexual, > who > >>>> identifies himself as a, "Heterosexual". That his whole life revolves > >>>> around being, "Heterosexual". His politics; his social life; his > >>>> mannerisms; his diet; his wardrobe; his decor; his passions, likes, > >>>> dislikes, hatreds, loves, and yes, sexual appetite, are all defined by > >>>> his > >>>> "Straightness". > >>>> > >>>> Please point this/these individual(s) out to me. > >>>> > >>>> Therein lies the distinction, and no, nothing about the repeal of DADT > >>>> will change the rejection by the United States Military on this one > >>>> major > >>>> issue, of Gay men or women who choose to defend our Nation. Just like > >>>> their > >>>> straight counterparts, they cannot and will not be able to broadcast > >>>> their > >>>> sexual proclivities, as is done so much in the Gay community, and > maybe > >>>> in > >>>> some Heterosexual social circles; (Like the Nudist/Swapping crews). > >>>> > >>>> KeithInDC > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Mustang <[email protected] > >wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Keith, > >>>>> > >>>>> While I agree with many, if not most, things you say we disagree on a > >>>>> couple. This being one of them. > >>>>> > >>>>> "The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include > >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality openly, > >>>>> or to > >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. > >>>>> " > >>>>> > >>>>> Heterosexuals already do wear their sexuality preference openly. > >>>>> > >>>>> Are you saying that everyone will suddenly be forbidden any > opportunity > >>>>> to display or even have pictures of their family and friends? No one > >>>>> will > >>>>> be allowed to admit they write, call, or discuss any communications > >>>>> with > >>>>> their wives, husbands, girlfriends or boyfriends? No one will be > >>>>> allowed to > >>>>> talk about how things are going at home or plans after discharge? > >>>>> While on > >>>>> leave, no one can invite a male or female military friend to spend > the > >>>>> Holidays with a spouse, or to openly have two Dads or two Moms? > >>>>> > >>>>> The Israeli military has not gone to hell in a hand basket. They > have > >>>>> no problem with both genders or gay people being drafted and then > >>>>> working > >>>>> cohesively. It's the same as acceptance of blacks and women was > >>>>> decades > >>>>> ago. Much ado about nothing. I am certain our military will be able > >>>>> to > >>>>> keep their minds focused on the tasks assigned. Anyone who is > >>>>> qualified > >>>>> should have the right to apply to defend our nation. Absolute 100% > >>>>> heterosexuality should not be a requirement. Nothing will change. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mustang > >>>>> > >>>>> Bigotry disguised as morality is still bigotry just as an outhouse > with > >>>>> marble columns is still an outhouse. - D.A. Ridgely (whomever he is) > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> *From:* Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > >>>>> *To:* [email protected] > >>>>> *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 9:18:24 AM > >>>>> > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Historical Pictorial] Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t > >>>>> Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 Republican No Votes and John McCain's > >>>>> Fillibuster Attempt > >>>>> > >>>>> No question, I see this issue from a different perspective than I > >>>>> believe most do here in HP. > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't see the DADT repeal as being all that significant, and > although > >>>>> I agree with Rob and his assessment, I also think that there is a > >>>>> major > >>>>> component to all of this, that Rob, or anyone else in the group has > >>>>> touched > >>>>> upon. > >>>>> > >>>>> The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include > >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality openly, > >>>>> or to > >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. In other words, > NO > >>>>> ONE > >>>>> in the military can be or will be identified by their sexual > >>>>> proclivities or > >>>>> sexual identification, which is a common factor in the Gay community. > >>>>> This > >>>>> is where so many in the Gay community are mistaken. > >>>>> > >>>>> The military will boot out a service member who is an admitted > >>>>> adulterer. Service members who are into any type of > >>>>> sado-masochistic activities and make them public will be summarily > >>>>> discharged. Those service members who are into "swinging" and have > >>>>> multiple > >>>>> sexual partners, and who make that aspect of their lives public, will > >>>>> be > >>>>> shown the door and discharged. All branches of the service will > not > >>>>> condone any member who bases his or her lifestyle upon their sexual > >>>>> identiy. > >>>>> > >>>>> Nothng has changed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just as important, the military does in fact have and embrace a > "Macho" > >>>>> image. This is requisite for combat. Yes, there are women in the > >>>>> service > >>>>> but not in combat arms. The lifestyle is tough, rugged and most of > the > >>>>> time > >>>>> uncomfortable. The stereotypical Gay male will not be condoned. The > >>>>> combat > >>>>> units of the Army and Marines are all male and all the males talk > about > >>>>> doing their girl friends as they charge the enemy with cigars hanging > >>>>> out > >>>>> their mouths; not penises. This is the image that our military > >>>>> cultivates. It is good for morale, it is good for unit cohesiveness, > >>>>> and > >>>>> most importantly, it is but one component of what makes our military > >>>>> the > >>>>> mightiest in the world. Again, this image is not going to change. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical > >>>>> media, > >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled > past! > >>>>> > >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical > >>>>> media, > >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled > past! > >>>>> > >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >>>> which > >>>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, > >>>> and > >>>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > >>>> > >>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> - wayne. > >>> > >>> goto> http://waynes-nude-musicians.blogspot.com/ > >>> http://blueguitar.tumblr.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > which > >>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, > and > >>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > >>> > >>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > which > >> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, > and > >> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > >> > >> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >> > > > > -- > > Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, which > is > > the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, and > > discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > > > > For options and help, please visit the group at: > > http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > > > > > -- > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > Have a great day, > Tommy > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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