POTUS screwed the pooch yesterday on DOMA, his best answer was some of my best friends are gay. Not good.
The odds are much greater for republicans to take the senate in 2 years than dems taking the House. I'm just talking math. On Dec 23, 12:14 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > I think that ENDA and UAFA will come before DOMA, but we may have to > wait untill Democrats re-take the house for either, which could happen > in 2012 or 2014. > > The real prize will be the American Equality Bill for civil rights, > (AEB) a proposed amendment to the civil rights act of 1964 to include > sexual orientation and gender identity. > > On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Tommy, > > > I think I'm starting to see it. > > > A. I am neither crediting nor blaming either party for DADT, or the > > law that forced it. It is the LEFT that blames republicans, and > > history just doesn't bear that out. It is simply NOT a left v right > > issue. Never has been, never will be > > > B. I DO credit Bill Clinton for DADT, and have said, "it was the best > > that he could do", many times. The FACT is that an EXTREMELY dem > > congress veto proofed the recodification of 10 U.S.C. § 654(b), > > forcing Clinton's hand on DADT. > > > If ya wanna blame republicans now, why not dems then? Especially > > considering there's a boatload still there now? > > > If ya wanna blame POTUS's based on party, then explain why military > > expulsions for sexual orientation skyrocketed under Clinton, and > > plummeted under Bush. > > > Again, its not dem v republican, or left v right. We just fixed it, > > lets tackle DOMA next - and if you wanna blame republicans for that > > one, prepare to eat your shorts > > :-) > > > I enjoy our debates, sir > > > On Dec 22, 12:19 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Greg- > > >> All votes, from all parties, count twoard passage of all Congressional > >> bills and measures. Always have. 2 Republicans plus 2 Democrats plus > >> one Independant = 5 votes. > > >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Tom, the minority party can't veto proof a ham sandwich. > > >> > And Clinton promised gays in the military a full year before he would > >> > know Colin Powell if he were standing on his chest. > > >> > On Dec 22, 12:09 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Greg- > > >> >> I believe the gay ban was veto-proofed by both Republicans and > >> >> Democrats. > >> >> Can you research this and get the exact vote break downs and party > >> >> affiliations of all Congress members at that time? > > >> >> You can find this in The Congressional Record. > > >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > Thats nice. > > >> >> > Clinton promised to allow gays to serve in the military before he was > >> >> > president and before he ever met Colin Powell. > > >> >> > THEN the democrats veto proofed the ban. > > >> >> > DADT was a CAMPAIGN promise, and the best he could do. His EO > >> >> > overrode DEMOCRATS! > > >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:27 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Wrong. > > >> >> >> I have a personal signed letter from Colin Powell which he wrote to > >> >> >> me > >> >> >> stating that he was working out a "Compromise" in 1993 as proof. > > >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> > tom, it was necessary because the DEMOCRAT congress had just > >> >> >> > recodified the BAN on gays in the military - VETO PROOF. > > >> >> >> > And your bit about Powell and republicans convincing Clinton is a > >> >> >> > heap > >> >> >> > of steaming shit. Clinton CAMPAIGNED on it!!! > > >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:14 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> I do not think DADT was necessary at all. > >> >> >> >> Colin Powell and the Republicans did, and President Clinton > >> >> >> >> agreed > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> the DADT "compromise", which he later said was a mistake. > > >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > WHY was DADT necessary Tommy? > > >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> Greg- > > >> >> >> >> >> DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who > >> >> >> >> >> convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward. > >> >> >> >> >> Obviously, > >> >> >> >> >> the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and > >> >> >> >> >> careers, > >> >> >> >> >> and it has now been repealed. > >> >> >> >> >> Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your > >> >> >> >> >> twisted > >> >> >> >> >> pretzel glue logic will not work. > > >> >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT > >> >> >> >> >> > necessary > >> >> >> >> >> > in the first place? Whole bunch still there. > > >> >> >> >> >> > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? > >> >> >> >> >> > Cuz > >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> > hundreds, just became dems. > > >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the > >> >> >> >> >> >> house > >> >> >> >> >> >> who > >> >> >> >> >> >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > House > >> >> >> >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> >> >> > voted > >> >> >> >> >> >> > against DADT [repeal]?? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------- > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Uh oh! > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Tom? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> House > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> voted > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> against DADT?? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I disagree. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > repeal. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > They > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > homophobia. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > John > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > McCain, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > lot. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > We > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > itself > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > it > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > will > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > against > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Omnibus > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > learn > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > something > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > but > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > some > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > votes > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > other > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > than > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > DADT. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > blaming > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > anything > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > alone. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Obviously > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > that is not so. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Despite > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> 31 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Republican > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> This > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> is a > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> long > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> overdue > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Passige > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ENDA > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Bill > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> for > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Civil > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Rights are next. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Majority > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Leader > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> “don’t > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ask, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> don’t > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> tell” vote. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> strike > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> down > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ban > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> on > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> military, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> bringing > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> to a > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> thousands > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> secret > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> their > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> sexual > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> orientation. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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