Re: spf configuration woes

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Zitat von David Southwell <ad...@vizion2000.net>:

On Saturday 05 November 2011 06:42:12 Simon Brereton wrote:

On 5 November 2011 08:21, David Southwell <ad...@vizion2000.net> wrote:
> On Saturday 05 November 2011 05:13:22 Wietse Venema wrote:
>> David Southwell:
>> > Did you read the original posting and the reply from Kamil. He spotted
>> > the primary cause. It was he who spotted the extra  " " before
>> > policyd-spf in master.cf which was in the part of the post you cut
>> > out.
>> >
>> > So you were right it was an error in the master.cf but noone else
>> > spotted it before Kamil made his contribution.
>>
>> You could have spotted it days ago with lsof/netstat which would
>> have told you immediately that postfix was not listening on the
>> socket.
>>
>>       Wietse
>
> Typical Wietse response. Everyone could see postfix was not listening but
> it

And Wietse was trying to get you to find out why - instead of making
random changes.  He asked you at least twice to run netstat - did you
do it?

yes - I had done it before wietse asked - it was too blindingly obvious

everyone knew it was not starting. Wietse is too fond of being downright rude.

It would have saved you 18 hours and at least 3 long mails if
you had.  Typically ungrateful response to Wietse's help is more like
it.  People come on here, expect it him not only to write it, but keep
it secure and spot typgraphical errors in their own configs because
they're too lazy to look (and that laziness is exemplified by a
laziness to follow a simple diagnostic instruction).

Misplaced critique. Like wietse you are jumping to conclusions. Assuming the
worst rather than the best of people. The recomendation came after not before
the act.

> took Kamil's careful scrutiny and knowledge to identify why - knowing why
> was what led to the solution.

Which you'd have had much much earlier without the hand-holding had
you followed Wietse's first request to run netstat.

Sorry but that is B******t! The information about the excess space was there
--  Wietse just didn't see it unless he was deliberately concealing the fact
that he knew the excess space was there. That could not be true because he

an excess space in the file. What would therefore have been the purpose of
running netstat?

would have known that netstat would not have revealed the fact theat there was

> Diagnosis is valuable but without the ability to define the treatment the
> diagnosis is merely a matter of record.

Only valuable if you follow the steps you're asked to perform.
Spoonfeeding and proof-reading your errors in your config files is not
diagnosis.

> Clearly postfix is  need of an intelligent parser that will to pinpoint
> errors such as this in master.cf and main.cf. That is because stupid
> computers are better at parsing chores than human beings.

Postfix has such a parser - which is why the documentation points out
that lines should not start with a white-space.

Humble humans acknowledge we make errors. Wise humans use stupid computers to
perform tasks that people are not good at. Stupid humans tell other people
they are stupid when they make mistakes and tell them RTFM!

You are failing to distinguish between a diagnostic parser and an executive
parser. An executive parser rejects incorrectly configured lines at runtime.

location. A really good executive parser would also log the location of
incorrectly configured lines to facilitate the work of an administrator.


them to be gratuitously rude rather than helpfully constructive. IF Wietse is
unable to restrain himself from repeated bouts of arrogant rudeness then,
IMHO, he needs counselling.

In this case Kemil spotted the error. That helped me spot other errors. Kemil
was constructive IMHPO Wietse was plain rude.

A diagnostic parser would tell you that there is an excess space at a specific I do not expect anyone to solve my problems. On the other hand I do not expect

Another one for the kill-file...


Andreas

While it might be true that there is room for improvment your tone is plain rude. You eat the free meal and demand that it is cooked for your taste. Take it or leave it.

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