On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 3:45 AM Samuel Colvin <s...@muelcolvin.com> wrote:
> Reading this thread and thinking about discuss.python.org/Discourse - I'm > surprised no one is advocating github discussions > <https://docs.github.com/en/discussions>. > I think it's because discuss.python.org is what we decided to try years ago at the 2018 core dev sprint (so nearly 4 years ago), while GitHub Discussions would be a brand new thing to try and get people on board with. > > In particular organisation discussions > <https://github.blog/changelog/2022-04-12-organization-discussions/> would > provide an obvious central place for discussions that would be easy to find > and use for everyone. > > Advantages of github discussions: > > - Virtually all developers have a github account and are familiar with > github & GFM > > Discourse lets you log in via GitHub. I'm not sure if Discourse is straight Commonmark (probably is, though, since the co-creator of Discourse kicked off Commonmark because of Discourse). > > - Github provides great support for participating or watching > discussion via email - Discourse is really bad at this (at least by > default) > - GH discussions obviously integrate well with the rest of github - > links to issues & pull requests (including other repos), discussions can be > moved to other repos, issues can be created from discussions, issues can be > converted to discussions - e.g. if someone creates a bug report which > should really be a feature discussion > > True, but that does make the discussion specific to the repo, which in this instance would be CPython and somewhat the language itself. This doesn't encompass something like packaging which has completely moved all development discussions over to discuss.python.org (and people have been generally happy with it). So I'm not sure if moving over to Discussions would actually lead to discuss.python.org going anywhere if you were trying to eliminate that need. > > - No extra service to maintain or pay for > > This is already true for discuss.python.org; Discourse is kindly donating the hosting on their SaaS platform. > > - GH discussions (unlike issues) provide good threading functionality > without the full treeview madness of hackernews etc. > > Before going "all in" with discuss.python.org/Discourse I think GH > discussions should be seriously considered. > If you can get people excited enough to say they are willing to give it a try, and the folks saying they are going to stop participating if/when we move to Discourse would actually stay if we moved to Discussions, then we can definitely talk about it. -Brett > > Samuel > > -- > > Samuel Colvin > > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 at 12:19, Petr Viktorin <encu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> Currently development discussions are split between multiple >> communication channels, for example: >> - python-dev and discuss.python.org for design discussions, >> - GitHub Issues and Pull Requests for specific changes, >> - IRC, Discord and private chats for real-time discussions, >> - Topic-specific channels like typing-sig. >> >> While most of these serve different needs, there is too much overlap >> between python-dev and discuss.python.org. It seems that for most >> people, this situation is worse than sticking to either one platform – >> even if we don't go with that person's favorite. >> >> The discuss.python.org experiment has been going on for quite a while, >> and while the platform is not without its issues, we consider it a >> success. The Core Development category is busier than python-dev. >> According to staff, discuss.python.org is much easier to moderate.. If >> you're following python-dev but not discuss.python.org, you're missing >> out. >> >> The Steering Council would like to switch from python-dev to >> discuss.python.org. >> Practically, this means: >> - Moving the required PEP announcements to discuss.python.org >> - Moving discuss.python.org up in the devguide communications page >> (https://devguide.python.org/communication/) >> - And that's it? >> >> I imagine that the mailing list will stay around for continuing past >> discussion threads and for announcements, eventually switching to >> auto-reject incoming messages with a pointer to discuss.python.org. >> >> To be clear, discuss.python.org allows editing posts, which is frankly >> handy for typos and clarifications. Editing alone should not be used for >> adding new info -- we should cultivate a culture of being friendly to >> mail users & notification watchers. This probably bears repeating in a >> few places. >> >> We're aware not everyone wants to use the discuss.python.org website, >> but there are some ways to avoid it: >> >> - For new PEPs, you can point your RSS client to >> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/peps.rss – it's not e-mail, but many >> email clients have RSS support. You can also watch the Steering Council >> issues on GitHub (https://github.com/python/steering-council/issues/) >> for important questions and discussions. >> >> - You can use discuss.python.org's “mailing list mode” (which subscribes >> you to all new posts), possibly with filtering and/or categorizing >> messages locally. >> >> However, we would like to know if this will pose an undue burden to >> anyone, if there are workflows or usage problems that we are not aware >> of. As mentioned, this is something the Steering Council thinks is a >> good idea, but we want to make sure we're aware of all the impact when >> we make the final decision. >> >> >> >> – Petr, on behalf of the Steering Council >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ >> Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/VHFLDK43DSSLHACT67X4QA3UZU73WYYJ/ >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/RNLXOVCSVA63YIGTQRONBXBY4PROWNMJ/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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