On 23 November 2014 at 11:26, Viviane Pons <vivianep...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> You ask about the value of a non-enforced code. I think it's valuable >> to have something to point to, both for setting expectations for new >> contributors and a reminder for long-timers when things get heated. It >> allows one to succinctly re-direct trolls rather than feed them. It >> gives further weight to requests for civility: pointing to the code >> makes it clear that I am not making a request on behalf of myself, >> rather on behalf of the entire community. (Corollary, if you think >> your behavior is acceptable to the majority of the community, call for >> a vote to change the code. That'll be pretty rare...) > > > +1 > That was also my point!
OK, so Robert and Viviane both made this excellent point! yours politely and cooperatively, John > > >> >> >> Explicit, external enforcement has downsides as well. It greatly >> complicates things. It adds an (often unnecessary) level of formality. >> It often leads to the quagmire of drawing drawing of hard lines on >> such squishy topics. It diminishes the motivation for "ordinary" users >> to call out such behavior as that is "someone else's job." Though >> public shaming should be avoided, one of the strongest ways to send a >> message (to the offender and everyone else) about our values is via >> public requests rather than private complaints. Also, what if one >> doesn't agree with the enforcers? Is there an appeals process? How >> small of an issue is too small? These are things I'd rather avoid >> unless it becomes absolutely necessary (which I don't think is the >> case--we're generally doing pretty well). >> >> What we're after here is a good culture, and cultures are neigh >> impossible to enforce but can be guided. I think it would serve us >> better for the community remain self-policing than abdicate the >> responsibility elsewhere (e.g. a separate sage-abuse group). An >> "un-enforced" code/guidelines can help with this. >> >> - Robert >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "sage-devel" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
