Re: [freenet-chat] Scientology strikes again
what was this? it just redirects to http://www.scientology.org/ Matthew Toseland wrote: http://codebot.org/notice.html Thanks to ian for finding this. ___ chat mailing list chat@freenetproject.org Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- tasty electronic music vittles -- bluevitriol.com the only music blog you need-- playtherecords.com you are the dj. interactive music -- improbableorchestra.com random observations of the bizarre -- vitriolix.com ___ chat mailing list chat@freenetproject.org Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Anonymity
Clive A Marshall-Purves wrote: Clive A Marshall-Purves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can I confirm that my anonymity is in operation? What I was trying to confirm was if I have FreeNet Running and I am being Naughty at eMule or any file sharing site am I anonymous or not (This is known as paranoia) Is there any way to test my anonymity? I’m trying to download an album that has been deleted for many years and is not available to buy. Honest. it almost sounds like you think freenet will make your use of emule anonymous. it will not. freenet is its own network. -- tasty electronic music vittles -- bluevitriol.com interactive music machine -- improbableorchestra.com blogging the vitriol-- vitriolix.com ___ chat mailing list chat@freenetproject.org Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Hi all i need some help
upgrade to 5085: Firewalled nodes will now automatically pick up their IP address from the nodes they are connected to (once enough nodes have upgraded). Thus you no longer need to specify an address in the config file or use dyndns. This should make Freenet significantly easier to use for new users on firewalled/NATted setups. You will still need to forward the listenPort for maximum performance as we have not yet implemented automatic port forwarding (it would require us to borrow some code for Universal Plug and Play from other GPL'd Java apps; we may do this later). Luís Vitório Cargnini wrote: Hi everyone arround the world, I having problems to navigate inside the freenet i started my peer and it appears to determining my (inside lan) IP 192.x.x.x and i'm using no-ip. It must use my WAN IP ? (if yes i know that i must reconfigurate it) thanks regards ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general -- live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-chat] slightly off topic: fat32methods of keeping my store folder size
Dave Hooper wrote: If you were planning to use Windows 2000 or XP exclusively, I might suggest using a compressed directory as your freenet datastore - not because of the disk space this saves (it would save very little, probably - see end of message), but because the compressed clusters are shared within the directory tree so only the last cluster allocated to the directory tree has 'wasted' space at the end. Ideal if you care about space but don't care so much about extra processing time. Although obviously an NTFSv5 feature only (and so not applicable to the original fat32 posting) this was my orginal plan, and i was posting to find out if anyone knew how to enable a compressed directory in win2k :) but now i think i'll probably go with a separate 2 gig fat32 partition... that is if i can figure out how to tweak a fat32 to have smaller blocks. OS-level compressing of directory trees in pre-NTFSv5 operating systems (i.e. before Windows 2000) can be achieved by using commercial software like www.zipmagic.com/zipmagic, which (among other things) makes zip files appear to the operating system as regular 'explorable' folders, or by using the built-in DriveSpace / DoubleSpace utilities to set up a virtual compressed drive. Actually I would make a personal recommendation for zipmagic, it really is rather good, and I'm sure there must be a less expensive alternative available On my NTFS partition, my store currently has about 3% wasted space from cluster allocation. Setting the NTFS Compress flag shrinks it so that my store uses only .5% more space 'on disk' . (Yes - the compressed datastore still uses more than the 'on paper' amount of disk space, mainly due to the encrypted nature of the datastore and its inherent incompressibility coupled with the still necessary cluster allocation) I would therefore expect similar results under FAT32 - that is, a .zip datastore with zipmagic or similar using only about .5% more space than the datastore size on paper. However that is on likely to be true if you can keep the .zip file fragments together... I don't know what zipmagic's fragmentation guarantees are, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were no guarantees whatsoever. It is possible to preallocate files under NTFS using tools such as Contig (www.sysinternals.com) to ensure that they do not fragment - however this only really works in practice for files which do not grow and shrink unpredictably, such as files which are written to rarely but read often. I'm guessing such a tool would be of only limited value for a freenet datastore. I have no idea if comparable utilities are available for use with FAT partitions. dave thanks for the quality info, dave -joschi ___ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. http://mp3.com/vitriolix ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Microsoft freenet clone?
last i heard ian was working with http://uprizer.com/ which sounds to me like a non annonymous freenet for trusted internal that has the same target as you just described. Robert Carroll wrote: I'm talking about Microsoft's Farsite research project (http://research.microsoft.com/sn/Farsite/). While not really a clone, what they do have in common is to create a distributed, peer to peer file system that uses encryption to secure file contents. Farsit's goals does seem to be different in that they are stressing fault tolerance and security instead of anonymity. The designers intend it to work more like a traditional file server in the context of a semi trusted (as opposed to the internet which can be downright hostile :) network, like in a university or corporation. I thought I read somewhere that Ian was working on a similar system for use in buisness and educational institutions? Anyone want to offer some comments on this? -- ___ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. http://eds.org/~joschi/vitriolix ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] ActiveLinks
I was wondering a little bit about activelinks. they are proported to encourage the continued propagation of free sites, but I dont see how the do anything but encourage the propagation of the activelinks themselves. as i understand it, each of the keys that comprise a freesite will have wildly different domains, so propagating one key should have no bearing on the other keys in the same freesite. do they actually do what TFE claims they do, and how? later. ___ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. http://eds.org/~joschi/vitriolix ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] ActiveLinks
Hope this helps. yes, that was a great description. very cool. thanks. -josh David Allen wrote: I was wondering a little bit about activelinks. they are proported to encourage the continued propagation of free sites, but I dont see how the do anything but encourage the propagation of the activelinks themselves. as i understand it, each of the keys that comprise a freesite will have wildly different domains, so propagating one key should have no bearing on the other keys in the same freesite. do they actually do what TFE claims they do, and how? Well, I don't know exactly what TFE has in mind when those claims were made, but... Whenever you have an SSK with a double slash // in it, that refers to a mapfile. These activelinks generally look something like: SSK@pubkey/sitename//activelink.jpg In order to fetch activelink.jpg, you first have to fetch the mapfile. In order to fetch the mapfile, you might need to grab a DBR redirect first. The mapfile of course is the master index that lists all of the files that the site provides and how to get them. By downloading the activelink, you ARE spreading the DBR redirect and the mapfile for the freesite on which the activelink resides. That's why people link activelinks directly to other people's SSKs rather than saving the activelink, and inserting it under their own SSK - certainly that would work, but it wouldn't spread the other site's mapfile. So this doesn't help you fetch the front page of the site, but it spreads data that is vital to the site's ability to be seen by others, namely the mapfile. Also, *generally* (not always) if you can fetch the activelink that means that rest of the site will be fetchable. If it's not fetchable, it often means the rest of the site wasn't inserted at all (in the case of editions not yet published) or misinserted. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat -- ___ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. http://eds.org/~joschi/vitriolix ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] "QueryRejecting all incoming requests!"
hey peeps, i've got my node configured as a non transiant node with the host address as my dyndns.org domain. i've got my dsl router forwarding all packets on the appropriate port to my machine, but in the node status servlet i'm seeing this line in bold red: Active pooled jobs: 47 (39.18%) [QueryRejecting all incoming requests!] can anyone explain why and how i can fix this? ___ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. http://eds.org/~joschi/vitriolix ___ chat mailing list chat at freenetproject.org http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] datastore repeatedly corrupting
last week i had this same problem and was told that i should delete my datastore, which worked. here is that short thread: http://hawk.freenetproject.org/pipermail/chat/2002-July/000184.html twice again, it has corrupted itself since then. here is the order of events: last night i had been browsing around freenet, all ok. didnt touch it until around 3pm today, when i clicked the rabbit icon in the windows status bar mozilla complains that fproxy isnt repsonding. i exited freenet, ran the updater to make sure i had the latest, and now when i run freenet again, it blinks and has the following errors in the logs. is there any way i can help track down this bug? --- Jul 24, 2002 8:30:46 AM (freenet.OpenConnectionManager, QThread-13102: freenet.OpenConnectionManager$ConnectionJob@8985ea (time: 1027524644)): Unknown exception while connecting to: tcp/hoho.shacknet.nu:20914 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError Jul 24, 2002 8:30:49 AM (freenet.OpenConnectionManager, QThread-13090: freenet.OpenConnectionManager$ConnectionJob@b70586 (time: 1027524644)): Unknown exception while connecting to: tcp/195.34.152.238:1 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError Jul 24, 2002 8:33:28 AM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, Finalizer): I wasn't terminated properly! Doing it now.. Jul 24, 2002 8:35:17 AM (freenet.OpenConnectionManager, QThread-13051: freenet.OpenConnectionManager$ConnectionJob@cdfa92 (time: 1027524913)): Unknown exception while connecting to: tcp/193.45.225.41:2987 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError Jul 24, 2002 10:17:08 AM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, Finalizer): I wasn't terminated properly! Doing it now.. Jul 24, 2002 3:09:13 PM (freenet.support.io.Bandwidth, main): new Bandwidth(0,0,RECEIVED) Jul 24, 2002 3:09:13 PM (freenet.support.io.Bandwidth, main): new Bandwidth(6144,0,SENT) Jul 24, 2002 3:09:13 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): loading node keys: node_29988 Jul 24, 2002 3:09:13 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): starting filesystem freenet.fs.acct.AccountingException: duplicate block: 0x401 / 34 at freenet.fs.acct.sys.AccountingTree.found(AccountingTree.java:82) at freenet.fs.acct.sys.AccountingTree.found(AccountingTree.java:63) at freenet.fs.acct.SharedAccountingInitializer.found(SharedAccountingInitializer.java:69) at freenet.fs.acct.AccountingInitializer.initialize(AccountingInitializer.java:216) at freenet.fs.dir.FSDirectory.init(FSDirectory.java:174) at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:354) ___ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. http://eds.org/~joschi/vitriolix ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] another newbie question
I'm rather new myself, but after doing some research about this myeslf i think i can answere you. here's the way the keys break down: CHK - this is unique to one specific file, every file in freenet has one of these, they never change and only go away if they get purged from all the caches do to lack of requests for them. SSK - this is unique to a _person_ or anonymous identity. you use these as your sort of top level domain in the freenet. you can only write to or update a SSK if you have the private key. commonly SSK derefernce to a a CHK, so if you want to update your site, what you are really doing is just inserting the newer version of the site (which gets all new CHK's) and then updating your SSK to point to those new files. So the old files still exist, and there is nothign to be done about that, but generally you should publish the SSK to your site and you should be fine. hope that helps, and that i'm accurate :) -Josh Thad Eckard wrote: I am assuming that pages in Freenet cannot change, since the pages that people access in Freenet are actually copies located on the nearest node, rather than the original page. What do page designers do if they want to make a page part of Freenet, but that page is something that gets updated often? Is there some way to make all copies of a page kill themselves at a certain time, so that anyone who accesses the page will occassionally get a fresh copy from an updated page? ___ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. http://eds.org/~joschi/vitriolix ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Does Content on Demand have a Future?
Hey travis, do you have a job? -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Travis Bemann Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 4:10 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] Does Content on Demand have a Future? << File: ATT00034.dat >> On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 10:49:10AM +1300, David McNab wrote: > > TB> Do *any* businesses, or industries for that matter, have a "right" to > TB> exist? > > To answer this question one would first have to ask, does any *person* > have a right to exist? No, one does not need to ask this. First, there is a fundamental difference between a real person and a corporation, which is the latter is just a legal fiction, a legal abstraction, which exists only because of the will of a particular government to make it so. A corporation is merely an artificial entity with one sole goal and perogative - to make as much money as possible no matter what. -- Yes, I know my enemies. They're the teachers who tell me to fight me. Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite. All of which are American dreams. - Rage Against The Machine ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] it's not often they get caugh
Looks like big brother got caught putting bugs into a new Boeing jet that was sold to china. Well, as long as we're bugging communists, I don't mind. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1769000/1769642.s tm ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] self description
Consider Microsoft MCSE certification. You can download windows from gnutella, and half the books too. The rest of the books you can get at the local book store. If you practice enough, you can pass the tests without any classes. I got a CNE and MCSE this way, plus I had been working with the products long before I went for the certification. Whatever you do don't spend any money on the classes - just retake the tests. But if your going to aim for programming, these certifications are worthless. MCSE certification is the most popular. If you're a linux only guy, I'm not sure there are any certifications that have any value. Being Linux only doesn't help much for companies, only ISP's, and believe it or not most of them are BSD (close enough though). You will have the best chance if you know BOTH windows and linux/BSD. You can use Vmware to run both on the same PC. Programmers usually are able to work from home more often than admin's (MCSE / CNEs). Admins are expected to physically go to the computers that need work, this could pose a challenge. Another idea is the say "I'm healing from a bad car accident", which will get you in the door. The business world is a jungle, and so long as you can get the job done, do not hesitate to lie (about your physical condition), otherwise some other liar will take your job opportunity from you. Good luck. -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of krepta at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:57 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] self description On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:01:47 -0800 Don Marti writes: > begin Josh quotation of Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:19:05AM -0800: > > > You should apply for a job at a government IS department. They > have quotas > > to fill, and by hiring a "handicap" person they will do so, even > if they are > > less qualified. > > Large companies often have such policies too. (You can do a search > for companies that have been sued by previous employees.) > > The private sector is also more likely to have a flexible "work at > home" policy so you can work in bed or reclining. How would I find companies willing to make these accomodations for me? I've been searching for this telecommuting stuff for YEARS. Every single job search I do turns up companies who require knowledge or credentials I don't have. Or, they require that I do physical things that I can't do. I would LOVE to have a job working from home, with a computer. Even if I have to work 12 hours straight some times on computer code, it's a heck of a lot better than my current situation! > > Walk in with some kind of certification you can get from Web-based > training, and you've probably got a pretty good chance. > > I know people who do corporate jobs and only go in to work every > week or two. Well, I am getting education at High Tech Institute. I am hopeing that opens some doors. :) I start school soon. :) GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] terrorism and Freenet
I'm aware of its existence, but not aware that the feds want it to be a part of windows, as in it's installed by default. I took a few minutes to read a few articles, and none of them say that, they all refer to the feds installing it onto somebodys computer. I believe it would be a huge PR problem for Microsoft if they installed it by default, on every windows machine, once somebody figured out how to activate it. Imagine the corporate lawsuits. -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Timm Murray Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:49 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:RE: [freenet-chat] terrorism and Freenet [I called it "black lantern" below, which was a typo. It's really "magic lantern".] There a lots of reputable news orginzations that have reported this. The FBI has already confirmed it's existance (see http://slashdot.org/article.pl? sid=01/12/13/0249250=nested). Further searches for "magic lantern" on any given news site should bring up some links. > > Specifically, FBI wants Microsoft to add > "Black Lantern" (a keystroke logger) into updated versions of WinXP. > > Your saying that the feds want Microsoft to include it in the release > version of windows? So it will already be installed by default? > > Could you point me to your source? > > -Original Message- > From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-admin at freenetproject.org] > On Behalf Of Timm Murray > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:57 AM > To: chat at freenetproject.org > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] terrorism and Freenet > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 11 January 2002 11:06, you wrote: > > Hello, I edited your email for my response, hope you don't mind. :) > > > > I don't know what this DRM is, > > Digital Rights Management. In theory, it stops "pirates" from illicitly > copied software. In practice, it is likely to stop you from using software > that was legaly copied (like mp3s you ripped from a CD you already own, or > Free Software like GNU/Linux). > > > and I don't know what this involvement > > with the FBI is. > > That has to do with something else. Specifically, FBI wants Microsoft to > add > "Black Lantern" (a keystroke logger) into updated versions of WinXP. > > > And I had no idea that Microsoft had stoped support for > > Win98 and 98se. > > Last I heard, they only stopped for 95; 98 has a few more years yet before > they stop support. Unless the FBI is asking them to stop that, too. > > >I knew they had stoped for 95, both A and B. Please > > give me information. :) I need education. :) By email please, because I > > have no net connection. Thanks. :) > > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:39:05 +0200 (South Africa Standard Time) "Jack > > Sidebottom" writes: > > > > Hi, while I agree with some of the things said here I would like to > > add that(and I don't mean this in a bad way) America is NOT the Internet. > > Laws passed in the States are not binding in other countries in regard to > > the 'net (as much as they would like it to be). > > The internet is, and will remain, (as long as we keep fighting those > > who are trying to control it) GLOBAL. As for "circumventing" such laws > > the answer is in the word you used below - "INFORMATION" If people like > > us, who have a common goal (keeping the Internet free from government and > > big corporation intervention) SHARE our information to help others that > > is a step in the right direction. > > You would be suprised how many people out there no Nothing about > > Microsoft's DRM or magic lantern or a thousand and one other things that > > affect them and their use of the internet ,now and in the Months to come. > > I 'phoned Microsoft in Johannesberg (i live in cape town) this morning > > asking why none of the newspapers in South Africa carried any stories > > about their involvement with the FBI or stopping support for windows > > 95,98,98se,etc: or their patent for DRM, The answer i got was "we try to > > keep it quiet". So as i said we must make sure that ALL this type of > > information is available to everyone and take it from there. Thanks > > Jack. > > > > > > Jack Sidebottom: > > email wordwich at iafrica.com. > > PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu.11371 > > idap://certserver.pgp.com > > xx > > TRUTH ONLY TRUTH. > > xx > > > > > > _ > > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > ___ > > Chat mailing list > > Chat at freenetproject.org > >
[freenet-chat] terrorism and Freenet
> Specifically, FBI wants Microsoft to add "Black Lantern" (a keystroke logger) into updated versions of WinXP. Your saying that the feds want Microsoft to include it in the release version of windows? So it will already be installed by default? Could you point me to your source? -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Timm Murray Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:57 AM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] terrorism and Freenet -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 11 January 2002 11:06, you wrote: > Hello, I edited your email for my response, hope you don't mind. :) > > I don't know what this DRM is, Digital Rights Management. In theory, it stops "pirates" from illicitly copied software. In practice, it is likely to stop you from using software that was legaly copied (like mp3s you ripped from a CD you already own, or Free Software like GNU/Linux). > and I don't know what this involvement > with the FBI is. That has to do with something else. Specifically, FBI wants Microsoft to add "Black Lantern" (a keystroke logger) into updated versions of WinXP. > And I had no idea that Microsoft had stoped support for > Win98 and 98se. Last I heard, they only stopped for 95; 98 has a few more years yet before they stop support. Unless the FBI is asking them to stop that, too. >I knew they had stoped for 95, both A and B. Please > give me information. :) I need education. :) By email please, because I > have no net connection. Thanks. :) > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:39:05 +0200 (South Africa Standard Time) "Jack > Sidebottom" writes: > > Hi, while I agree with some of the things said here I would like to > add that(and I don't mean this in a bad way) America is NOT the Internet. > Laws passed in the States are not binding in other countries in regard to > the 'net (as much as they would like it to be). > The internet is, and will remain, (as long as we keep fighting those > who are trying to control it) GLOBAL. As for "circumventing" such laws > the answer is in the word you used below - "INFORMATION" If people like > us, who have a common goal (keeping the Internet free from government and > big corporation intervention) SHARE our information to help others that > is a step in the right direction. > You would be suprised how many people out there no Nothing about > Microsoft's DRM or magic lantern or a thousand and one other things that > affect them and their use of the internet ,now and in the Months to come. > I 'phoned Microsoft in Johannesberg (i live in cape town) this morning > asking why none of the newspapers in South Africa carried any stories > about their involvement with the FBI or stopping support for windows > 95,98,98se,etc: or their patent for DRM, The answer i got was "we try to > keep it quiet". So as i said we must make sure that ALL this type of > information is available to everyone and take it from there. Thanks > Jack. > > > Jack Sidebottom: > email wordwich at iafrica.com. > PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu.11371 > idap://certserver.pgp.com > xx > TRUTH ONLY TRUTH. > xx > > > _ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ___ > Chat mailing list > Chat at freenetproject.org > http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat - -- "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjw/NXQACgkQqpueKcacfLQwNQCgiaoXowNNNevDObeJtrJEjHKU hS4AoIqTnJMl8sZdkJO6g1P+bCR84Avm =Lj67 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] source of spam
For an extra $10 a month you can get a spam free email account from another ISP. The ISP that gets you online doesn't have to be the one that you use for email. I'd recommend signing up for a .name domain, so you can get a life long email address. Then when the spam gets too bad, move it over to a better ISP. As for the phone number, I wouldn't give it out if I was you or else the voice spam will never stop. I ALWAYS give the wrong phone numbers when they are required. I used to have a local phone company test number that was always busy, but they changed it on me (you bastards!). So now I just give them the local police department phone number (not the emergency line). I do this for credit cards, bank accounts, any time of internet account, etc. Now that I think about it, I only give my correct number to my friends. Everyone else gets the wrong number. When I get junk snail mail, I use their enclosed postage paid envelopes to mail it back to them so they have to pay for the postage. Having ADD must make it difficult to code! Now that I think about it, I must have it too. I know! Speed is the answer! Snort a line to tweak and you'll be paying attention for SURE?!?! "So, who can tell me the color of Joe's sweater in the third chapter?" (they 're all asleep and Kenny is banging his head on the wall) "Oh my, they all have ADD. It's Ritalin for all of you!" -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org]On Behalf Of krepta at juno.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:34 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] source of spam I still want a spam filter at the server, instead of at my client. I'm tired of downloading all the crap then haveing to deal with it. I'd rather not even download it. I just got a phone call from some lady wanting to give me 5000 free long distance minutes. I asked her if I would be required to make any phone calls to turn it off or something, and she said that I would have to call an 888 number or something to turn it off if I don't like it. So, I told her not to even send it, because I don't want the hassle of haveing to make that call. I have ADD, and that means that I tend to forget to do things. Things like turn off services that I don't need or want. I really don't like it when people to try OBLIGATE me to DO something about something I don't even need or want. I HATE it. She rudely hung up on me before I could finish by the way. :( GRRR! On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:43:42 -0800 "Josh" < josh at mercuryfs.net <mailto:josh at mercuryfs.net> > writes: True, but newer spam filters can detect when the TO: field is filled with many random combinations. I'm switching to an ISP who's got procmail and with that comes some cool filtering abilities. I remember getting those types of emails with the ISP I use to get connected, so I just never used that email account. They would generate addresses using a dictionary attack method. Funny, I remember thinking "I could code a script to bounce these types of messages" Now I find out others already did. -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org]On Behalf Of krepta at juno.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:15 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] source of spam On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:48:33 -0800 "Josh" < josh at mercuryfs.net <mailto:josh at mercuryfs.net> > writes: > Hey guys, I've got an off topic question for ya. > > Is it possible to remove our email addresses from the email > archives? > > I know that I started getting spam when I first posted on this list, > because > it was the first list I've ever joined (haven't been online since > compuserve), and the spam started after that. > > When I search for my email address on the net, the archived messages > come > up, and I'm certain that's how my addresses are getting into the > spam. > > I'm also switching ISPs so I can get some anti spam features, but I > figure > this probably affects all of us, not just me. > > Thanks, > > - josh There is another way the spammers find you my friend. Their computers send a single message to a truely MASSIVE number of randomly generated email addresses, you can see a list of them in the TO: and CC: fields sometimes. I have been victimized in this way many times. No matter WHAT email address I use, even if I NEVER give it out to any one online, I eventualy get flooded with spam crap. Why? Because they are like a school of piranha, constantly on the hunt for new email addresses to bombard. There is no where to hide, no where to run. They WILL find you. My email addresses are usualy Krepta at something.tic <mailto:Krepta at something.tic> or Krepta@something.tic <mailto:Krepta@something.tic> , it does't matter
[freenet-chat] source of spam
True, but newer spam filters can detect when the TO: field is filled with many random combinations. I'm switching to an ISP who's got procmail and with that comes some cool filtering abilities. I remember getting those types of emails with the ISP I use to get connected, so I just never used that email account. They would generate addresses using a dictionary attack method. Funny, I remember thinking "I could code a script to bounce these types of messages".. Now I find out others already did. -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org]On Behalf Of krepta at juno.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:15 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] source of spam On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:48:33 -0800 "Josh" < josh at mercuryfs.net <mailto:josh at mercuryfs.net> > writes: > Hey guys, I've got an off topic question for ya. > > Is it possible to remove our email addresses from the email > archives? > > I know that I started getting spam when I first posted on this list, > because > it was the first list I've ever joined (haven't been online since > compuserve), and the spam started after that. > > When I search for my email address on the net, the archived messages > come > up, and I'm certain that's how my addresses are getting into the > spam. > > I'm also switching ISPs so I can get some anti spam features, but I > figure > this probably affects all of us, not just me. > > Thanks, > > - josh There is another way the spammers find you my friend. Their computers send a single message to a truely MASSIVE number of randomly generated email addresses, you can see a list of them in the TO: and CC: fields sometimes. I have been victimized in this way many times. No matter WHAT email address I use, even if I NEVER give it out to any one online, I eventualy get flooded with spam crap. Why? Because they are like a school of piranha, constantly on the hunt for new email addresses to bombard. There is no where to hide, no where to run. They WILL find you. My email addresses are usualy Krepta at something.tic <mailto:Krepta at something.tic> or Krepta@something.tic <mailto:Krepta@something.tic> , it does't matter, they always find me. I've seen how they work. My dad setup an email address on MSN and NO ONE was told about the address. It was a completely unique address, unguessable by anyone but a machine spewing random addresses. And that is exactly what happened. As soon as they found an address that didn't return a "Address not found" response, they knew they had me. So they flooded me with stuff, and put my address on other databases either by selling the information or just giving it away. So I was soon being bombarded by lots of different companies. I just gave up on getting mail from MSN, until MSN decided to implement thier anti-spam technology. :) Anyway, it doesn't matter if we remove our email addresses from the public archives, they will still find us, eventualy. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/chat/attachments/20020110/3aeaf74f/attachment.html>
[freenet-chat] source of spam
I hear ya, but it seems to be a constant stream of spam. I used to use a separate email account at work when I posted to forums for tech support issues, and only wish I had continued that practice. We used to make accounts like "spam1-josh@ ... ", and then a few weeks later it would be renamed to "spam2-josh at ...", and so on. I wish I had done that this time. O-well. If only spam could be "censored" :) -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of David McNab Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:52 PM To: Josh Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] source of spam J> Hey guys, I've got an off topic question for ya. J> Is it possible to remove our email addresses from the email archives? J> I know that I started getting spam when I first posted on this list, because J> it was the first list I've ever joined (haven't been online since J> compuserve), and the spam started after that. J> When I search for my email address on the net, the archived messages come J> up, and I'm certain that's how my addresses are getting into the spam. J> I'm also switching ISPs so I can get some anti spam features, but I figure J> this probably affects all of us, not just me. Hey, what would the internet be if we weren't always getting inundated with "grow your penis to 19inches" and "This really worked for me, make $2.5m by this time next week" and "Find out who your neighbour's screwing" and "Help - nigerian govt officials need to stash $3million" etc etc Email would get awfully quiet! ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] source of spam
Hey guys, I've got an off topic question for ya. Is it possible to remove our email addresses from the email archives? I know that I started getting spam when I first posted on this list, because it was the first list I've ever joined (haven't been online since compuserve), and the spam started after that. When I search for my email address on the net, the archived messages come up, and I'm certain that's how my addresses are getting into the spam. I'm also switching ISPs so I can get some anti spam features, but I figure this probably affects all of us, not just me. Thanks, - josh ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
> So your proof that there is no government cover-up of UFOs is: > 1. if there were, there would be a lot of leaked information, > since the government can't keep secrets Correct! There is no solid proof, and that's an established fact. I'm not going to go into a classic skeptics dialogue here, but you guys lack solid proof. It's as simple as that. > 2. all the leaked information that is out there is wrong because > that is what the magic 8 ball told you But it's an alien 8 ball, and that's why I believe in it. You don't see the parallels here's do you? The fact is, you want to believe that UFOs have arrived, when NASA and other's have taken the time to dismiss people like you again and again. > 3. therefore there really isn't any leaked information Correct, because so far there is nothing that has been agreed upon by the world that proves that a UFO crashed and that we are covering it up. Instead we have a bunch of kooks who keep flaming the fire's of ignorance and engulfing the next generation of kids, who usually grow out of it and they come to understand the government and how people are. We gossip too much, we're social creatures. Secrets and conspiracies rarely stay secret unless each of the parties are strongly motivated to so. There is a big difference between believing that a UFO crashed in America, and we covered it up, than to argue if they could exist and may someday contact us. Those are two completely different issues. I'm saying that the first issue is next to impossible. > I respectfully acquiesce to your rigorous and superior school of > dialectic. So you've got a magic 8 ball too then! The x-files have gotten to you my friend. -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Tavin Cole Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 10:09 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] The Coming Storm On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 09:54:09PM -0800, Josh wrote: > But if they wanted to invade us, it would have been many ships, right? ... > Unless it was the Romulans, then perhaps the fleet was cloaked.. No? > > >> I'm curious, do you believe in ghosts / the supernatural / psychics? > (not > >> an insult, it's a question) > > >I'm curious, are you actually reading what I'm writing? > > I am, but I don't need to review those web sites, because my magic 8 ball > tells me that "it is not true". :-0 So your proof that there is no government cover-up of UFOs is: 1. if there were, there would be a lot of leaked information, since the government can't keep secrets 2. all the leaked information that is out there is wrong because that is what the magic 8 ball told you 3. therefore there really isn't any leaked information I respectfully acquiesce to your rigorous and superior school of dialectic. -- :: tavin cole (tcole at espnow.com) :: ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
But if they wanted to invade us, it would have been many ships, right? ... Unless it was the Romulans, then perhaps the fleet was cloaked.. No? >> I'm curious, do you believe in ghosts / the supernatural / psychics? (not >> an insult, it's a question) >I'm curious, are you actually reading what I'm writing? I am, but I don't need to review those web sites, because my magic 8 ball tells me that "it is not true". :-0 -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Tavin Cole Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:45 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] The Coming Storm On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 09:08:57PM -0800, Josh wrote: > > if there's one thing we've learned from Star Trek, it's that all > > alien species think more or less like us > > If they have the technology to get here, then we can assume they understand > basic biology. Common sense, no? You can assume they understand biology. You can't assume they care about preserving the life of another species. Our species generally doesn't, when the species is considered inferior. > If you buy the UFO stories, with their obvious lack of proof, then I > consider you to be young and impressionable. I got a bridge I'd like to sell > ya, it's got a great view! > > I'm curious, do you believe in ghosts / the supernatural / psychics? (not > an insult, it's a question) I'm curious, are you actually reading what I'm writing? -- :: tavin cole (tcole at espnow.com) :: ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
> Dmitry Skylarov This will generate a lot of flames, but I think Dmitry was an idiot coming to America. He should be locked up for stupidity alone. > Your government murders its prisoners (capital punishment) Sorry, but I support it. If that means that I'm in the same camp as Saudi Arabia, who's government I don't like, so be it. If you kill, you deserve to be killed. Too bad death row is so expensive, otherwise we could afford to kill a lot more of the murderers and rapists. Some people just can't be rehabilitated and ought to be executed, or deported to antartica, but not allowed out on parole. On the same token, I have much praise for whatever governor who suspended capital punishment in his state after DNA evidence showed an unacceptably high amount of inmates were innocent. This is a tough issue for me, and if more inmates are proven innocent I will likely change my view of the death penalty. > your government dictates to the world via your foreign policy Was helping to liberate Europe during WW I and II bad foreign policy? Was the gulf war bad policy? Of course my country screws up, but looking at how other countries have ruled the world, we are angels. Would you rather the Soviet's had been in our place today? Much of our foreign policy dictates are not that bad, and are not always done in our self interest. > how is the US government not murdering totalirians ? Perhaps you'd rather live in China? I live in America and I feel very safe. > Your government has 25% of the worlds prison population. Probably because our cops and prosecutors are better than yours. Separately, we lock up far to many non violent drug offenders. Add that together and we have too many prisoners. But 25% of the world's population has to be a wrong number. China's prison population is probably larger than our entire country. If not them, then China and India together are defiantly. It's not that we have lost of criminals, because all countries have lots of 'em, it's that ours are behind bars. > Your government has done many things it should be ashamed of. Damn right it has, but the fact is we know about it and won't likely let the same mistake repeat itself. Many other governments, such as the soviets, would hide it all so as to project that they are paradise. I'm curious, what country do you live in? > If there was more equality in the world > there would be less violence, but having > equality outside the US might cost AMERCIAN > jobs, that just would not do... much better > to just have a war ever 5 years or so. Wrong. If there was "equality" (as in equal strength) there would be more violence because countries would have a better chance at being able to take over other countries. But the fact that we are far stronger than other countries has kept WW 3 from happening, simply because it's obvious that we will win. To assume that the gulf war was started in order to jumpstart the economy is absurd. It was started because saddam invaded a country and threatened to invade another. And how is bombing Afghanistan and providing millions / billions in aid so as to jumpstart their country going to do anything for our economy other than tax it? That's a conspiracy theory, which not only has flawed logic, but could never be kept secret. > Do you think war is the tool any one type of government ? > Did your govenment not declare war on afghanistan. Fight fire with fire. Anything less than the bombing of Afghanistan and removal of the taliban would have caused me to be furious. We don't have to declare war in order to use the military for a short term operation. What if congress is out of session, do we wait for next spring until taking action? It's the president's job to command the military. * Over 1 million IRAQI children died becasue of lack of * food and medical equipment, does 1 million count as mass famine ? Wrong, Saddam allowed them to die. The answer is to remove saddam. (forgive the next paragraph, I don't want to dilute it with 10 pages of crap so as to appear politically correct) As for our policies that make the world hate us, well, no matter what we do there will be people who hate us. It's a given. The arabs hate us because we support Israel. So be it. The Palestinians should be smart enough to realize that under the turks they were slaughtered left and right, and if it wasn't for Britain taking Palestine from the turks they wouldn't even be here today. The Palestinians don't want a lasting peace, they want Israel destroyed. Arafat is a piece of shit terrorist who was offered everything he wanted by barak, and he turned it down because it would of meant an end of their "occupation". The fact is that the arab countries don't want a solution the Palestinian problem, they want it to be Israel's cancer forever. To put it bluntly, most of the surrounding arab countries are corrupt monarchies with next to no economy or jobs, because far too many of them are hash smoking backstabbing sand niggers who have
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
> if there's one thing we've learned from Star Trek, it's that all > alien species think more or less like us If they have the technology to get here, then we can assume they understand basic biology. Common sense, no? If you buy the UFO stories, with their obvious lack of proof, then I consider you to be young and impressionable. I got a bridge I'd like to sell ya, it's got a great view! I'm curious, do you believe in ghosts / the supernatural / psychics? (not an insult, it's a question) -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Tavin Cole Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:57 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] The Coming Storm On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:31:40PM -0800, Josh wrote: > * I don't suppose it occurred to you that, if there WAS a UFO at Area 51, > * it obviously wasn't kept secret. > > Show me the proof that there is one. > > This world needs a cheap renewable power source, like a fusion reactor that > can power a starship at warp 9. If that technology was sitting at area 51 > for the last 50 years, we would have put it to use. But instead we're still > flying aircraft powered by fossil fuels. No way could any group of > scientists be exposed to such technology, and all of them take the secret to > their graves. Perhaps for 5-10 years, but for this long? No way. Common > sense tells me all I need to know. I'm not making a claim either way about UFOs. I'm just saying your argument makes no sense -- there are volumes and volumes of (possibly false) information that has been leaked about UFOs by people who worked for the US government. See http://disclosureproject.org/. Or consider some of the Art Bell radio programs (http://artbell.com). The fact is we are drowning in leaked "information" about UFOs. > Besides, if a ship could make it all the way here, would it crash? And if it > WAS going to crash, would they risk biological contamination that could wipe > out all life on earth? No way, they would have self destructed or burned up > in the atmosphere on purpose. (ok, that's speculation). > > All it could take is 1 drip of snot from an alien's nose to introduce a > bacteria that nothing on earth has had a chance to evolve against, and bye > bye most animal life on earth. For this very reason NASA is in charge of > whatever experiment that is going to drill a hole in Antarctica's ice that > will reveal an ocean that's been sealed off for millions of years. They are > taking biological contamination very seriously. It would have to be the same > type of scenario with a space craft. The same logic would have to apply. Yes, if there's one thing we've learned from Star Trek, it's that all alien species think more or less like us (as well as look like us, and speak the same language). -- :: tavin cole (tcole at espnow.com) :: ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
* I don't suppose it occurred to you that, if there WAS a UFO at Area 51, * it obviously wasn't kept secret. Show me the proof that there is one. This world needs a cheap renewable power source, like a fusion reactor that can power a starship at warp 9. If that technology was sitting at area 51 for the last 50 years, we would have put it to use. But instead we're still flying aircraft powered by fossil fuels. No way could any group of scientists be exposed to such technology, and all of them take the secret to their graves. Perhaps for 5-10 years, but for this long? No way. Common sense tells me all I need to know. Besides, if a ship could make it all the way here, would it crash? And if it WAS going to crash, would they risk biological contamination that could wipe out all life on earth? No way, they would have self destructed or burned up in the atmosphere on purpose. (ok, that's speculation). All it could take is 1 drip of snot from an alien's nose to introduce a bacteria that nothing on earth has had a chance to evolve against, and bye bye most animal life on earth. For this very reason NASA is in charge of whatever experiment that is going to drill a hole in Antarctica's ice that will reveal an ocean that's been sealed off for millions of years. They are taking biological contamination very seriously. It would have to be the same type of scenario with a space craft. The same logic would have to apply. -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Tavin Cole Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:14 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] The Coming Storm On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 09:07:37PM -0800, Josh wrote: > The government can't hide conspiracies. They are horrible at keeping > secrets. That's why I never bought into the idea there's a UFO at area 51, > simply because the government couldn't keep a secret for that long. They are > too incompetent. I don't suppose it occurred to you that, if there WAS a UFO at Area 51, it obviously wasn't kept secret. -- :: tavin cole (tcole at espnow.com) :: ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
It's not that they wouldn't, it's that they don't do as good of a job of finding out the truth as America's press does, probably because they are more civilized / less vicious. Any press in an average democracy (except Russia) will jump on an opportunity to get a good story, but only in america do we have so many leaks that next to nothing can be kept secret. I felt sorry for bush when his first draft of the rules for military tribunals were leaked, because now the first draft becomes the public's final draft, and anything he does to change it can look quite bad. Understand, I'm not a proponent of secrecy, but I consider it a fact that there are so many leaks that not much can be kept a secret. But in a weird way I also think this works in our favor in the long run. But in the short run I bet it's frustrating for government employees (bush included). -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Glenn McGrath Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:04 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] The Coming Storm On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:47:55 -0800 "Josh" wrote: > How can a democratic government be immoral? Perhaps you only focus on the> things our government does wrong, which I admit is a lot, but perhaps you> should consider that all governments do things wrong, and only in America do> we have the press exposing it left and right. You seem to be implying that the press in countries outside the US wouldnt report on a government scandal, i dont know how you could rationally form that opinion. Glenn ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
Ok, one more post What's pathetic is that America let the cesspool in Afghanistan grow and multiply into what it is/was. We should have sent in the troops after the embassy bombings, and especially after the USS Cole was bombed. The fact that it took an attack in NY and 2000+ lives for us to wake up to this threat is pathetic. There we're those in the CIA who openly warned us over 6 months ago that bin laden will likely strike America, and what happened? Not a damn thing. All clinet did was send submarines to deal with him. Jesus Christ, submarines to a land locked nation? Tomahawks fly slow. Clinton should have had the balls to send in the troops sooner. The Russians were even warning us about bin laden, and recommending military action. And we ignored all the evidence. That's absolutely pathetic. Clinton was more interested in doing what the poll's told him to do, than what was right. I'd rather of had Dan Quale, or some other looser, than Clinton. As commander in chief he had a job to prevent this crap, we had many warnings, and look what happened. Clinton should have declared saddam Hussein as being in violation of the cease fire agreement and sent in the troops to finish the job. Instead we're going to wait until he has nukes and uses them, before we do it right. Not a single (true) arab leader will miss him. We should stop buying oil from the saudi's and start buying it from Russia. The saudi's are a monarchy, corrupt as shit, and are just a few steps above the taliban in many ways. And we protect and support them. Something's wrong here. For some reason I usually side with republicans when it comes to foreign policy. Hmmm... -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Mark J Roberts Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:20 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] The Coming Storm Ian Clarke: > I took the accusation from a representative of the Church of > Scientology that *I* was a pedophile as quite a compliment in this > light Oh, I agree entirely, those half-wit commies inevitably resort to such petty childish name-calling. They also seem quite fond of brainwashing and mass murder, two things Commie Chomsky just loves. > when one side or the other resort to insults it suggests that > childishness is the best argument they have to offer. Those leftists sure are stupid, aren't they. > Actually, until recently the CIA was Osama's biggest supporter, > and didn't you notice? The USSR is no-more. The State Department is obviously suffering from communist infiltration. If Real Americans were running the show, we'd have annexed Afghanistan and reigned in those mujahedeen before they made any trouble. Only a communist like Chomsky would neglect Afghanistan and thus unleash terrorism upon the greatest country in the world, the USA, while giggling and smirking as the Afghan people starve under Taliban rule. But, you know, communists love that. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
> I'm even beginning to wonder whether or > not certain individuals in our government > KNEW of this attack before it > occured and were just waiting to grab at the > chance to take away our freedoms. Do you really think our government would allow people to be killed, just so they can pass legislation? The government can't hide conspiracies. They are horrible at keeping secrets. That's why I never bought into the idea there's a UFO at area 51, simply because the government couldn't keep a secret for that long. They are too incompetent. I think that people often assume conspiracy when in fact there is incompetence. This comes from being inside many bureaucracies, including some government agencies. To summarize: They have their thumbs up their ass. They are so incompetent they couldn't orchestrate a conspiracy even if they were ordered to do so, let alone do their normal jobs. As a general rule, if you're a looser you want to work for the government because they will hire you and not fire you. Whereas a normal corporation won't hire you in the first place, or if they do they will soon figure out that you're incompetent and will fire you. Seriously, I worry that this government is too stupid and does nothing, far more often than I worry about them doing other things. I think the real issue here is why didn't we prevent this? Why was a plane able to actually crash into the pentagon? Don't they have an air defense? Why didn't they see it coming and evacuate the building? I see it as a perl harbor situation where our people were sitting on their ass (remember, radar told them we had incoming planes). I didn't think much of John Ashcroft, but when he denied the feds the ability to use the handgun purchase database (whatever its called) for the war on terrorism, I decided that he's not that bad of a guy. But my opinion might change. -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of krepta at juno.com Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:42 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] The Coming Storm On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:11:12 -0500 (EST) Kevin Atkinson writes: > When I first read the slashdot article "Lawrence Lessig Answers Your > Questions" (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/12/21/155221) I I have no net connection, at least not till pay day, so I can't see this or any other internet article unless someone sends them directly to me or posts them on this list. I don't cry very often either, but when I do, it is usualy because something has made my mind unstable. I suffer from depression, and I am emmotionaly handicaped. Pressure doesn't sit too well with me, my emotions go crazy. > cried, which is really saying something as I do not cry often. And > since them I have been having a wide variety of fixed emotions. But > I > think it settled down to being scared. Part of my fear can best be > described by the following article "The Coming Storm" by Bruce Bell > (http://eon.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/articles/comingstorm.html). > The other part of my fear is the fact that very few people > understand > what the existence of the Internet really means, and even fewer > people > see the upcoming battle. I know I didn't fully grasp what is going Very few people understand anything about computers or the internet, hence the danger for children on computers. We need to educate people about computers, the internet, and the good and the bad that exist in the Cyber-World. We also need to educate people on the dangers of censorship and the degredation and destruction of our fundamental freedoms here in the US, and elsewhere in the so-called Free world. > on > until I read the Lawrence Lessig responses. We have a fundamental > paradigm shift on our hands and hardly any one sees it. Hardly > anyone > sees that in with the existence of the Internet it is going to > imposable to control the flow of information, period. The only way > to stop this flow of information is to ban people all together from > the Internet. Any sort of censorship and copy protection is going > to > be defeated, plain and simple. What is even scarier is that if Not only WILL they be defeated, they SHOULD be defeated. Censorship of any kind has always been the greatest weapon of tyrants and dictators and corrupt governments. We MUST NOT ALLOW ANY government or organization of of the power of Censorship. As for Copy Protection, it is so wrong it is rediculous. If they had had their way we would not have VCR or any other Audio/Video recording technology. Imagine haveing to miss your favorite TV shows or movies because you were not allowed by law to record them? They think that copying is automaticaly an illegal practice, but it isn't. We should have the right to create copies of our own things for our own personal use. What we do with those copies cannot be decided by the Music or Software industries. > Richard
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
> How the hell do you get the average person > to understand the full magnitude of what the Internet means? The problem is that the internet means different things to different people. Just like a highway means different things to different people. Some see a highway as a way ruin a perfectly good small town. Others see it as an opportunity to expand that town. For you it means a change in freedom of speech issues, but for others it means different things. It all depends on what your priorities are. When the printing press was invented, I bet people had similar philosophies as you do, except that democracy (aka the real meaning of new world order - don't answer to the kings) was probably #1 on their list, with freedom of speech being next. I think the printing press will go down in history as having a far greater impact on the world than the internet. To answer your question, I think you have 2 things here: your means and your ends. Your ends are political, and your means are technical (the internet). So you have to explain to people what your end goal is first (freedom of speech), then explain how the internet helps you accomplish it. I bet that will give you more success in getting your message thru. For me, the internet meant more billable hours, which lead to the ability to buy my own home, because the demand for my skills skyrocketed. It meant that I could take my girlfriend to Europe for a nice vacation. It also meant an easier way to buy and sell things (ebay), and a better alternative to BBS's when needing tech support to get my job done. It meant that more non-computer folks use email. After installing, maintaining, and upgrading internet infrastructure 40 hours a week, I never got into the online scene (until I quit that job) because I didn't want to mess with computers after already doing so all day. So for me, NOT enjoying the internet like many other technical people did meant that computers had become a profession, and no longer a hobby. It was a weird feeling when I recognized that. Now that I'm working on my own project full time, computers are finally a hobby again But I'm not getting enough work done on my project... ahhh, so much to read! (http://citeseer.nj.nec.com) -Original Message- From: chat-admin at freenetproject.org [mailto:chat-ad...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Atkinson Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:11 PM To: chat at freenetproject.org Subject:[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm When I first read the slashdot article "Lawrence Lessig Answers Your Questions" (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/12/21/155221) I cried, which is really saying something as I do not cry often. And since them I have been having a wide variety of fixed emotions. But I think it settled down to being scared. Part of my fear can best be described by the following article "The Coming Storm" by Bruce Bell (http://eon.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/articles/comingstorm.html). The other part of my fear is the fact that very few people understand what the existence of the Internet really means, and even fewer people see the upcoming battle. I know I didn't fully grasp what is going on until I read the Lawrence Lessig responses. We have a fundamental paradigm shift on our hands and hardly any one sees it. Hardly anyone sees that in with the existence of the Internet it is going to imposable to control the flow of information, period. The only way to stop this flow of information is to ban people all together from the Internet. Any sort of censorship and copy protection is going to be defeated, plain and simple. What is even scarier is that if Richard Stallman article "The Right to Read" (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html) was worded slightly differently I have a felling many people will not see the problem with the picture he is painting. However, what really is upsetting me lately is that I have absolutely know idea how to get the typical person to understand the magnitude of what is going on. I truly fell that the upcoming issues over the free flow of information are major, very major. Even bigger than the terrorist attack on the U.S. However, hardly any one is even aware of it, and I don't know how to make them aware. So, my point of posting this is to hopefully open up some discussion on what is really going to happen and to address the key problem that has really gotten me down lately: How the hell do you get the average person to understand the full magnitude of what the Internet means? And how do you explain how the DMCA is just downright wrong, and how if the various media originations (such as the RIAA, the MPAA) had there way we would be living in a world exactly as Richard Stallman explains. Or even how to get them to understand that the picture Richard Stallman is painting is just wrong in more ways than once. I have never been so serious about anything in my life and would really like some input here. I
[freenet-chat] no moe spam
I apologize for having dropped messages into the group when I'm no longer a member. I was going to just leave it be, but based on the private responses I felt its better to enter one last message. Relax guys, I have no intention of being big brother, and I know its not technically feasible even if it was the goal. This is assuming that legally and philosophically it he can be made to work. When I say I'm big brother, it's symbolic, because MFS is not designed in a true hierarchical client/server way. In MFS, the root object has no security access whatsoever. So don't email me about this big brother stuff anymore, read the UNI ID design and see for yourself. And if you do email me, have the courage to CC the entire group. Sorry you guys got so pissed off about my license and my rejection of true open source, after all the web site and non technical documents are brand new. I try not to judge people via email. If I could do it over again, I'd simply keep the license and dream offline until I've finished them. Now they are more finished, and like most of the stuff I write, I've edited out about half of it. I aint some neo-conservative right wing wacko, nor an I left wing, nor do I like spending time in email when a phone call will do much better. Remember this, if this design is actually successful, unlike Napster the central network will have nothing to do with data, it simply authenticates servers. UNI ID will only store an incomplete credit card number (no exp date), and an email address. For this reason, we need not put up a huge fight with law enforcement, because they simply have to issue search warrants at the ISP / credit card company (assuming they figure out the full card number). I should has specifically stated this, because it seems to have given the impression that I'm pro law enforcement / government / pro centralization. I'm neutral, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I've just had government agencies (not important ones) as clients, and I feel that America's government is so disorganized and incompetent that they aren't a threat. It's the foreign governments that will be a hassle (still incompetent, but different set of laws). Good luck with freenet, and good luck when it comes time to get an export license because of the encryption. If and when that happens, the government will be more interested in your political views and how you will handle certain theoretical situations than they are engineering details. That's an important fact to remember. For example, they will ask you what will you do if freenet becomes a haven for child porn If you don't give them idealistic answers, they will go away, because they are overwhelmed with millions of people like us working on encryption projects. Had this been 1991, before the Phil Zimmerman fiasco, they would be on us like flys on shit. Also, if you apply for the license and are denied, you have a much better chance of winning a confrontation with the government using a PR approach, than if you didn't try to jump thru their hoops at all. Especially since freenet is well established and can put up a hell of a fight for a NEW administration (and new FBI director). Now is the time to go after the license, not later. Good luck, because if freenet succeeds at its goals, you'll need it, as do I. - josh ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] I got a project for ya!
Mr. Raymond, I bow before your presence, and present the holy grail of network engineering. www.mercuryfs.net But it ain't open source. But I do want your approval on my form of open source www.mercuryfs.net/managed_source.htm I hate writing licenses, I got a design to focus on. Lets talk, partner!! - josh ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] license update
Hey, did ya'll know that the law requires the warranty shit to be in all caps? NO WARRANTY, ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. NONE, ZERO, 0, NULL, DIVIDE BY ZERO, ZILCH, ETC. IT WILL CRASH. IT'S A FILE SYSTEM, WHEN THEY CRASH, DATA IS LOST. ITS HAPPENS. DON'T COMPLAIN, BACKUP. BACKUP, BACKUP, BACKUP, YOU FOOLS! I AM A CONSULTANT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'VE HAD TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE CARDINAL RULE IS? DON'T GIVE ME THIS WARRANTY SHIT, BECAUSE THIS IS SOFTWARE, AND ALL SOFTWARE CRASHES, BECAUSE I AM NOT YET A GOD. HOWEVER, WHEN THE OOPS FEATURE IS IMPLEMENTED (TRANSACTIONAL FEATURES WHICH ROLL BACK TO THE PREVIOUS STATE, AS IF PRESSING THE REWIND BUTTON OF TIME) THOU SHALL BE BLESSED WITH A FULLY TRANSACTIONAL FILE SYSTEM. UPON THIS DAY, I WILL BE PRONOUNCED A GOD, ACCORDING TO THE AMMENDMENTS OF MURPHYS LAW (REPLICATION=FAULT TOLERANCE, etc etc) ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] FW: freeent
-Original Message- From: Josh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 6:46 PM To: 'Adam Langley' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:freeent HA HA HA Trolling means I'm trying to get them into my nets? No... I'm hiring this thing built, by pro's like VA linux. Their committee will take forever. Besides, the freenet community seems to hide behind the 1st amendment too much, and I just don't agree with that philosophy. I respect patents and intellectual property. Besides, any computer hack with half a brain can bypass any copy protection scheme. Luckily, this email list says to keep philosophy and law out of it, so this will be my last submission on that topic. (smiling, like howard stearn) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adam Langley Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:42 PM To: Global-Scale Distributed Storage Systems Subject:Re: i've got a design you guys would be interested in On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 08:54:44PM -0400, Josh wrote: Hello, I've designed a permanent caching location independent global file system. As such, it appears to be the only design to solve the duplication problem, which is inherent with Internet traffic. Warning people - this guy has been trolling the Freenet lists. AGL --- You are currently subscribed to bluesky as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For list information visit http://www.transarc.ibm.com/~ota/bluesky/ ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] your permission
May I have your permission to put a small link at the bottom of my license, which includes my previous response to your question, and your original question, in its entirety? I wont actively broadcast this, but its such a good summary that I want to use it. I don't have time to write better summaries, and that email touches the essence of the true issues, therefore I want to use it. Without your permission, I'm going to modify it to remove your name. But I'd rather not hack it up. - josh ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] for the record
I am not Big Brother, I am Borg. But you humans cannot understand that, and realize that the Borg are a naturally occurring design. In dedication to freenet, I added the following section, a highly technical section to the design, in the Misc section: (ok, I wont spam the developers group, but the chat group deserves it). Add Assimilation feature, where drive d: is taken over by MFS using async mirroring, and its transparent because function 7025 (map drive letter to url folder) just maps drive d: to users.isp.net/john.doe you lack cohesion, harmony, it will be your downfall (yeah, but we'll take that technology, thank you) ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] FW: [Moved to chat] MercuryFS
Here's your copy, and no, you do not own it. -Original Message- From: Josh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:47 PM To: 'Ian Clarke' Subject:RE: [Moved to chat] MercuryFS I have no respect for people that get caught up on terminology. And for the record, I diplomatically approached your group, and that's why I did it, for the record. Considering your complete lack of respect for intellectual property, I did not expect to succeed. I choose to define open source as something that is open, and MFS is open, therefore its open source regardless of what you say it is. You are not the defender of open source. I will not remove those words from MFS, and you can draw all the attention to me as you want, including notifying GNU of by violation of their holy license. TCP/IP is open source, yet its still controlled. We can't have a viable internet with a dozen flavors of TCP/IP. I will not repeat the mistakes of others. You don't understand management, I do. I've been dealing with managers for over a dozen years. If you truly understood the issues, you wouldn't try to put me down in front of your own crowd. In my opinion, I was not humiliated, and I'd do it all again, for the record. Only 5 people had bad things to say, out of the entire email list. At least I have the courage to step in front of the limelight. I don't value the opinion of hippies, and that's how I classify your group. You have no idea what I've had to go thru, to get to this point. I've already confronted the government, you have not. I learned from Zimmerman's mistakes, that's why I'm still here and working on a project that they fear (a lot more than yours). Why don't you add strong global encryption to freenet, and see what $16 billion a year buys us. I'd love for you to wake up to reality by dealing with the NSA. Go ahead, show me how to do it correctly! Oh wait, you haven't confronted that issue yet have you? We have different political views. A good businessman can get past that, and realize that pragmatism is superior to ideology. You would make for a lousy consultant. You don't have much business sense, or else you wouldn't be so religious about defending open source. You think you're the defender of freedom of speech, yet you live in America. I laugh at people like you. Why don't you go to South Africa, or Chechyna, and set and example for all of us? Procedures and methods exist to serve us, we do not serve them. If a procedure does not satisfy my requirements, I will write my own. I'm not a sheep. As for the peer review, that is coming. Remember, freenet was just the first announcement. What it all boils down to is what technology will succeed. I know that my views are mainstream, yours are to the left. Based upon the numbers, and the fact that my technology has a lot more promise than yours does (in my opinion), we will see who succeeds, wont we? Unlike the Gnutella crowd, the freenet crowd will always be welcome to join the MFS project. As for my design, do not read it since you disagree with the license. I wish you well in your venture, at least you have the courage to discuss these issues. Many others don't even bother. * josh PS: Do not borrow my technology unless you intend to follow the dream, which is an open dream. -Original Message- From: Ian Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:05 PM To: Josh; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[Moved to chat] MercuryFS File: ATT8.dat On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:46:58PM -0700, Josh wrote: Is that all you have to say? A terminology issue? Open source is a method, not a religion. This terminology issue actually betrays your complete lack of understanding of Open Source and the idealogy behind it. This in itself wouldn't be so bad if you hadn't chosen to describe your software as Open Source, even though you had imposed restrictions which are anethema to the Open Source movement. If I recall correctly, I brought this to your attention when you first contacted me, but you failed to heed my warning. Given this, some amount of public humiliation is inevitable, you are fortunate that it happened before a reasonably small audience on the development mailing list rather than in a much more public forum like Slashdot. There is no reason why I can't do both to accomplish my goals. Go to www.mercuryfs.net/license.htm for the current version. If you read the license, you will probably find that it satisfies your requirements. As you now know, it certainly does not satisfy my requirements, nor does it satisfy the requirements of the Open Source Initiative. Remember, my goal is for a unified single standard. That will take a bit of management to achieve. And it also requires significant arrogance on your part to suppose that you will become that standard, particularly given the lack of peer review that your architecture has endured, and the onerous license that you propose to distribute
[freenet-chat] RE: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
You need to read the UNI ID design. Tell me how they are going to get somebody's info. All it stores is an incomplete credit card number, and an email address. They can give a hotmail address, and execute their warrants on visa and mastercard. They will need to do brute force. As for the Chinese, this is going to be interesting... Once they join the WTO, they will be bound by many rules that will work in my favor. As for open source issue, I didn't know it was a registered trademark. Thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: toad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of toad Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS Taken to freenet-chat, for obvious reasons. On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:09:34PM -0700, Josh wrote: Shareware! That may be a better title. It will be open source shareware...??? It's really a management issue: I want to advantages of open source, with the advantages of management, and I'm convinced I can do it because others have. I know, Ill call it not open source, and I'll distribute the code! Open source is a *trademark*. You should really look it up with its owners, at http://www.opensource.org/. As for the freenet word, I first head of it back I the 80's. it was the internet backbone link into the USSR. It went from east (via japan) to west, so as not to come from eurpoe. The freenet was used during the attempted Gorbachev overthrow, by the anti-communist people. Being commies, their bureaucracy was so bad that they didn't even know of the internet link or how to turn it off. That's why all those emails made it out during that timeframe, because of the freenet link. A little known fact is that the NSA's listening system was used to pickup then re-broadcast Yeltzin's comments (pro gorbachev). Rumor has it that the original freenet was a CIA idea (information warfare tactic), that got tossed to the national sciences foundation. The fact is, the internet and the open communication between the young Russians and the outside world had a very large impact on the fall of soviet communism. In my opinion, the same is inevitable for china. That's my attitude toward China is a relaxed one: democracy is inevitable. Of course, you'll cooperate with Chinese police forces? A single point of failure from which the entire network can be compromized - a back door built in to the network for purposes of law enforcement. So anyone who can sue you can compromize the anonymity of anyone on the network, given that in *some* courts they will be able to get a ruling in favour, if they push long enough - i.e. if they have the money. Rather like a totalitarian state in fact. I cant wait for them to try to fully implement their internet censorship ideas. Oh, that's a disaster in the making. Fully implement? They don't fully implement anything, like the Taliban. They reserve special sanctions for special events. They arrest religious folks randomly to raise cash, not consistently to eradicate religion. I can't wait for them to try to impose international law on me. Shit, I'm going to move over to the .aq top domain (Antarctica)! (joke) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rob Cakebread Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS On Tuesday 24 July 2001 06:44 pm, you wrote: Theres a difference between a simple license and the technology. And besides, when I'm done with it, it will not look the GPL at all. And I did ask for permission, and they didn't respond. So there you have it. There's many other licenses out there to choose from. I'm currently looking at the Mozilla license, because I like it better. So I used the wrong words. What should I call it? managed open source community open source my open source? I have a design to write, not licenses. What do you wall want to call it? Since this is a big issue for all of you, you can all rename it to your liking. How about 'shareware'? Or since you are stuck on 'open source' being in the title how about... 'Not Open Source'. As for the SS, if they call us and say that they president is going to get shot, and somehow a UNI ID is involved, do you expect me to not work with them? Give me a break. Welcome to reality. There is no way ANY global file system can operate without having to work with law enforcement. They have the most to loose by taking advantage of us, because if they do, they will get denied. Then the next time there is a threat to the president, they will be sorry. You guys don't understand the difference between protective services and general law enforcement. I'm not going to hire some young attorney right out of the ACLU to accept the court orders and answer the phone when the SS call. I'm going to hire 2 old clients of mine, ones
[freenet-chat] open source trademark
Hello, I'm a developer in need of a custom open source license. It came to my attention that open source is a registered trademark of your organization. I don't have all that much time to dedicate to the license, so I'm asking for some help to clarify a few things. I've designed a global file system. As such, it cannot succeed if there are a dozen flavors of the same basic design floating around. It's essential that I maintain a degree of management over my design, yet as an open standard it must be open source. I am patent pending, just so somebody else can't patent it. Yet I intend to release the design royalty free, and open source. Therefore I wrote my own version of the GNU license (www.mercuryfs.net/license.htm. It's not ready for prime time, but it's all I got at the moment. We like to think of the internet as free and open, yet there is a bit of management and centralness to it, DNS and the ICANN organizations are perfect examples. I will need to provide those types of services to the design, once deployed. Has anybody else encountered such a situation? Any help appreciated, - josh ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] RE: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
Thanks. I'm taking a Gillette approach. MFS is free, so long as UNI ID is used, and MFS cant function without a central authentication authority. So they are really 2 symbiotic designs. I know that I can register a credit card to a po box, using a borrowed identity, and have email forwarding that loops thru a dozen ISP's and nations. By the time they ID me, the statute of limitations would have expired. Assuming they can get global cooperation in all the different countries. One useful fact about Chinese culture is they are terribly corrupt. As an emerging country with many people and internal needs, its quite easy to use that corruptness to our advantage. To find smart ideological people working for the Chinese government is not too hard. When the time for our confrontation comes, we will win. I also get to deal with the legal issues and copyright issues that are inherent with caching. Oh, this is going to be a fun fun adventure. - josh PS: The feds and NSA already know me, so I've got it way easier than the competition. (charges were dismissed) :) -Original Message- From: toad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of toad Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:58 PM To: Josh Subject:Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:41:09PM -0700, Josh wrote: You need to read the UNI ID design. Tell me how they are going to get somebody's info. I might do that. Thanks for the history lesson BTW, interesting, though somewhat off-topic for freenet-dev. All it stores is an incomplete credit card number, and an email address. They can give a hotmail address, and execute their warrants on visa and mastercard. They will need to do brute force. Cool. Though I wouldn't stake much on hotmail's anonymity, if it is used for only a single insert it should add substantial difficulty to somebody tracing a file after the event. And there are much more secure, but still 2-way (but long lag) mail pseudonyms available (nym.alias.net etc) - if you can ever get them to work. As for the Chinese, this is going to be interesting... Once they join the WTO, they will be bound by many rules that will work in my favor. Possibly. As for open source issue, I didn't know it was a registered trademark. Thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: toad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of toad Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS Taken to freenet-chat, for obvious reasons. On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:09:34PM -0700, Josh wrote: Shareware! That may be a better title. It will be open source shareware...??? It's really a management issue: I want to advantages of open source, with the advantages of management, and I'm convinced I can do it because others have. I know, Ill call it not open source, and I'll distribute the code! Open source is a *trademark*. You should really look it up with its owners, at http://www.opensource.org/. As for the freenet word, I first head of it back I the 80's. it was the internet backbone link into the USSR. It went from east (via japan) to west, so as not to come from eurpoe. The freenet was used during the attempted Gorbachev overthrow, by the anti-communist people. Being commies, their bureaucracy was so bad that they didn't even know of the internet link or how to turn it off. That's why all those emails made it out during that timeframe, because of the freenet link. A little known fact is that the NSA's listening system was used to pickup then re-broadcast Yeltzin's comments (pro gorbachev). Rumor has it that the original freenet was a CIA idea (information warfare tactic), that got tossed to the national sciences foundation. The fact is, the internet and the open communication between the young Russians and the outside world had a very large impact on the fall of soviet communism. In my opinion, the same is inevitable for china. That's my attitude toward China is a relaxed one: democracy is inevitable. Of course, you'll cooperate with Chinese police forces? A single point of failure from which the entire network can be compromized - a back door built in to the network for purposes of law enforcement. So anyone who can sue you can compromize the anonymity of anyone on the network, given that in *some* courts they will be able to get a ruling in favour, if they push long enough - i.e. if they have the money. Rather like a totalitarian state in fact. I cant wait for them to try to fully implement their internet censorship ideas. Oh, that's a disaster in the making. Fully implement? They don't fully implement anything, like the Taliban. They reserve special sanctions for special events. They arrest religious folks randomly to raise cash, not consistently to eradicate religion. I can't wait for them to try to impose international law on me. Shit, I'm going to move over
RE: [freenet-chat] RE: I've designed a global file system, it will obsolete NFS, Gnutella, etc. I want to be assimilated by freenet!
I was re-reading Ians message, and I didn't answer it fully. I intend to use the resources available to me, in this case the patent laws, to best accomplish my goal of a democratic global file system. It will be an open source project, but a managed one. I hope to see myself as the conductor of an orchestra, who use my design as a starting point. I've concluded (my opinion) that a special set of circumstances (isn't every situation one?) applies here, and I have to mange my situation accordingly. Just because I have the patents doesn't mean I have to enforce them. Let me put it all to you this way: how many of you know what the first spreadsheet was? 123 or VisiCalc? That's a business lesson that I will not learn the hard way. As for Microsoft, I'm referring to their practice of borrowing public technology, and denied that they are borrowing it. When you're at Microsoft, and you're trying to solve a problem, aren't you going to see how others have already solved it? Of course. But Microsoft takes the credit. I WILL NOT let them take MFS, and rename it to OFS, which was their failed attempt at the same thing. And if they do, you can expect to see win32 for linux, because I know who borrowed their code. And to summarize: Fuck Microsoft. -Original Message- From: Ian Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 5:33 PM To: Josh Cc: Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] RE: I've designed a global file system, it will obsolete NFS, Gnutella, etc. I want to be assimilated by freenet! File: ATT00038.dat On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:07:58PM -0700, Josh wrote: I have studied the documentation, and the overlap is negligible. So where do you see the opportunity for cooperation? Is your system designed to protect freedom of speech? As I am sure you are aware (having read our documentation), the goal of freenet is to protect free speech on the Internet. My software patents are to deal with Microsoft, not to screw over the world. Deal with them how? One of the points of Open Source is that it allows everyone to benefit form your software, even people you don't like. The open source community has helped to create Microsoft, they take your work, and add it to their own. Clearly violating the GNU license. And they don't even respond in kind. I am not aware of any evidence that Microsoft has taken GPL code and redistributed it under a different license - can you point me to some? Screw 'em, I've learned my lesson, my design is new and unique, so I'm patenting it. So I can help enforce a global standard. Otherwise NFS and AFS will be enhanced with MY unique features, and I'll get jack shit out all the effort I've spent. You seem confused, first you say that the point of these patents is to help enforce a global standard, but then you imply that it is for personal profit. Software patents have no place in an Open Source project. I'm sorry that you wont call me Ian, e-mail only accomplishes so much. I prefer email, I find it must better for discussing technical issues than a phone call. Ian. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] RE: I've designed a global file system, it will obsolete NFS, Gnutella, etc. I want to be assimilated by freenet!
Yes, I received your previous emails. I have studied the documentation, and the overlap is negligible. I too have invested years of effort into my design. My software patents are to deal with Microsoft, not to screw over the world. The open source community has helped to create Microsoft, they take your work, and add it to their own. Clearly violating the GNU license. And they don't even respond in kind. Screw 'em, I've learned my lesson, my design is new and unique, so I'm patenting it. So I can help enforce a global standard. Otherwise NFS and AFS will be enhanced with MY unique features, and I'll get jack shit out all the effort I've spent. I've WATCHED it happen to others, and I'll be damn if its going to happen to me. I'm sorry that you wont call me Ian, e-mail only accomplishes so much. At this point, I will wait for the freenet community to contact me, after I've published the design. -Original Message- From: Ian Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 3:01 PM To: Josh Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: I've designed a global file system, it will obsolete NFS, Gnutella, etc. I want to be assimilated by freenet! File: ATT00013.dat Josh, I have already sent you two emails - haven't you received them? I'm in a bit of a catch-22, in that I don't want to give the design out, unless I feel you're open to merging forces. I therefore suggest you study the Freenet documentation so that you can determine specifically where there is overlap. I believe we have the same goals, but different methods of getting there. Before I disclose the design, I simply need to know if you're open to developing a new network file system standard, the byproducts of which will be the accomplishment of the same goals as freenet, but a whole lot more. Of course I am happy to improve Freenet, but until I see details of your design I have no idea whether there is an opportunity. You should know that Freenet is the result of years of effort, and so while we are open to new ideas, we are also very sceptical until we can see details. Additionally, you should know that if your work is to be assimilated into Freenet, you will not be able to enforce your patents. As I am sure you are aware, the Open Source community is not a big fan of software patents. Ian. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
RE: [freenet-chat] RE: I've designed a global file system, it will obsolete NFS, Gnutella, etc. I want to be assimilated by freenet!
, stretched across a network. They are not bandwidth aware. I even have a feature called Data Stream Interruption. In New York you can be downloading a movie from a server in California. Along the way, some of the intermediate routers notice that their networks have that movie, and they transparently interrupt the data stream, and cancel the stream coming from California, thus saving the bandwidth between California and that intermediary network. From a bandwidth perspective, and that's my perspective, this file system addresses the duplication problem and the wasted bandwidth. As for my motivations, its simple: I want the credit for inventing this. I do hope to make money off this, but in an indirect way, just like Linus makes money off of Linux. I know for a fact that I'm sitting on something huge, because so many others are working on the same thing. This design will empower the entire store solution provider business model, and storage area networks. Does anybody remember when a company showed Microsoft how to do native API translation for OS/2 2.0? It was in 1990 or 1991.. Remember what happened? Anybody know networking well enough to agree with me that Netware rules, and Microsoft has borrowed a lot of the technology of Active Directory? (banyan invented it anyhow), and Novell will soon die? I'm doing the patents, because I know Microsoft tried and failed, at the same design. I know their history, and I've got the money. To not get the patents is stupid, in my opinion. Remember, I intend to give the design for free, so long as the authentication service is used, which will be for a non profit foundation. -Original Message- From: Ian Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 5:33 PM To: Josh Cc: Subject:Re: [freenet-chat] RE: I've designed a global file system, it will obsolete NFS, Gnutella, etc. I want to be assimilated by freenet! File: ATT8.dat On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:07:58PM -0700, Josh wrote: I have studied the documentation, and the overlap is negligible. So where do you see the opportunity for cooperation? Is your system designed to protect freedom of speech? As I am sure you are aware (having read our documentation), the goal of freenet is to protect free speech on the Internet. My software patents are to deal with Microsoft, not to screw over the world. Deal with them how? One of the points of Open Source is that it allows everyone to benefit form your software, even people you don't like. The open source community has helped to create Microsoft, they take your work, and add it to their own. Clearly violating the GNU license. And they don't even respond in kind. I am not aware of any evidence that Microsoft has taken GPL code and redistributed it under a different license - can you point me to some? Screw 'em, I've learned my lesson, my design is new and unique, so I'm patenting it. So I can help enforce a global standard. Otherwise NFS and AFS will be enhanced with MY unique features, and I'll get jack shit out all the effort I've spent. You seem confused, first you say that the point of these patents is to help enforce a global standard, but then you imply that it is for personal profit. Software patents have no place in an Open Source project. I'm sorry that you wont call me Ian, e-mail only accomplishes so much. I prefer email, I find it must better for discussing technical issues than a phone call. Ian. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
