[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 It would appear that the main reason why intelligent machines would thrive is 
because human beings would need them.  For example, there may be some humans 
who would need a new limb because they've lost them by accident or medical 
reasons.  So, a robot arm would come in handy.
 

 But a robot limb or brain augmentation wouldn't have to be intelligent. we can 
do great helpful things already.
 

 Or there may be some people who are paralyzed due to a malfunction in parts of 
the brain.  So, a robotic brain may be of help to regain motor and mental 
capacity of these individuals.
 

 Given these types of circumstances, robotic development could be helpful for 
humans.
 

 It's not what me, or the original article is talking about though. The idea 
here is that machines can think independently and what they might be capable 
of. Think faster than we do and they will be able to manipulate themselves and 
the environment faster than we could keep up.
 

 We would be out-evolved by our own creation.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 Man was created by natural selection, the only difference between us and other 
animals is that we have the ability to inquire and seek explanations for our 
experience. This ability to understand has given us the way to fathom nature 
and manipulate it in such a way that we can - given enough research time and 
tools to refine measurements - create anything that is possible. 
 

 What seems extremely likely is that we can make a machine that is better - ie; 
faster - at thinking than we are. It doesn't have to be conscious in the way we 
are to be more effective at organising and replicating itself but a system of 
learned and self improving responses to awareness is a good start. Any 
self-improving machine will realise the advantage of seeing more of the 
electromagnetic spectrum than we do and hearing more, etc. 
 

 Is there any actual reason why a machine like this would consider us inferior? 
I think yes, because we consider ourselves superior - and in charge of - 
"lesser" creatures by virtue of our society and achievements, we have a higher 
order of organisation than anything else which seems like a higher stage of 
evolution because of the extra ways we have of adapting the environment to suit 
us, but not for long. The faster an independently reasoning machine thinks the 
quicker it will adapt, it would rapidly leave us standing.
 

 I heard a rumour there is a "kill switch" on the internet, probably just a 
myth but someone should try and build one just in case
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, 

 If robots become intelligent, they too will be influenced by the Moon and 
other planets.  
 

 I wish I lived in your world John, it must be so much fun.
 

 

 So, they may have various glitches on particular days just as cars have 
mechanical troubles attributable to a specific car maker, as in Ford, which is 
infamously known as "fix or repair daily".
 

 So my car doesn't start because of Jupiter? Those pesky planets!
 

 

 Or, Fiat which means, "fix it again, Tony". :)

[FairfieldLife] Gene Simmons: A Confident Rock Artist

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

He's got a solution for the US national debt as well.  Can he be the next 
president?
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Mindfulness assumes that 'reality' is ever present at all levels rather than 
something you have to hunt for or contact. In other words, it is based on the 
end game of enlightenment. I believe Jim mentioned this was a cart before the 
horse approach once. In some sense I think that is correct, but my observation 
of those who practised mindfulness experience just as much or more unstressing 
as TM meditators, and has just as deep insights into experience as TM 
meditators. They did not seem however as blissful as TM meditators or made 
mood-making attempts to pretendm everything was just fine, they did not have 
the illusion that experience was always going to be just peachy, there are hard 
knots to get out of the system and things one must face, and you might as well 
get it over with as fast as possible.  

 I actually find mindfulness meditation more effective now than TM, though that 
was not always the case. TM seems pretty much at the end of the line for me, 
but still is useful at times. I think this is a natural progression. However 
with so many years practise, it is likely that TM still slides in from time to 
time. I find mindfulness rather blissful these days, and TM often feels 
'intrusive' because it requires more activity than mindfulness, if you want to 
get the mantra going. In other words, TM has nothing to do, and mindfulness is 
just that state of nothing to do. TM is better at 'controlling' a restless 
mind. My mind is no longer restless, and so the TM advantage in this situation 
is considerably diminished, like, to zero. So in this case mindfulness is 
really no longer a technique at all, and TM is superfluous.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But mindfulness isn't the only other meditation out there. I used the mantras 
Chopra gave out after leaving TM (or rather that his teacher gave out, they who 
were originally taught by Roger Gabriel, a TM Governor who defected the 
Movement with Chopra). The mantras are different, chosen by one's birth chart 
and I think there are a hundred or so of them. The experience was quite good 
and no less "deep" than my experience of TM. And that is just one of the many 
other types of meditations. 

 

 

 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 5:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on 
reducing stress
 
 
   When examined for what it is, so called mindfulness, is not a mechanism for 
reliable transcendence, at all - more like meandering around on the surface of 
the mind. Something that clearly evolved, as a poor second best, after the 
knowledge of TM was lost. Those championing it have had very few, or no 
sustained, deep experiences of transcending, otherwise they would see it for 
the shallow practice that it is.
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no 
control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. 

 My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but 
that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that 
TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger.
 

 

 Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of 
mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite 
different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to 
be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is.
 

 But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always 
prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction.
 

 Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of 
greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of 
the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research.
 

 That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all situations.
 

 I saw "nearly all" because there are people who become more anxious, the more 
relaxed they get, and it may be due to a different mechanism than Maharishi's 
"stress release model" that he came up with to describe the cycle of activity 
during TM, and no doubt there are other exceptions. But for most people, TM's 
stress-reduction is a Very Good Thing that can help heal nearly any condition. 
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
 Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 
subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset 
after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study.
 

 People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the 
most trivial findings as though they were important.
 







TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll diss any 
study t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, 

 The human system's antibodies are able to protect the physiology against those 
bacteria and viruses.  So, the threats are mitigated.
 

 I am glad you are as optimistic as you are about this. Frankly, I still say 
the thing that will topple us all will be no larger than a couple of cells, if 
that (and I'm not talking about bawee's bwain).
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 The "top" life form on Earth will be that that infects us all with some deadly 
contagion, be it in the form of bacteria or virus. Those things always 
ultimately come out victorious, or at least, decimating.
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

You might want to watch Robocop again. It's bad enough when we have 
bully cops on the street but robot ones would be intolerable.


On 07/05/2014 03:59 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Bhairitu,


Robocops may be handy to patrol city streets both for deterring crimes 
and helping citizens who are in need due to accidents and other 
circumstances.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Good, then we won't have to work anymore.  But students should have 
courses in robotics so they can fix and control the damn things.
But give malicious city goons an idea and they'll want big f'in 
machines patrolling the streets which could crush you in a moment.  
IEDs could become quite popular to blow them up.  The way to prevent 
this is to overthrow your local town and city governments and replace 
the ol' boy networks that run them with real concerned citizens.  That 
movement has already begun.  Kinda like a "browncoat" revolution.


On 07/05/2014 08:52 AM, jr_esq@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on 
earth.  Is that shocking or what?



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Tibetans Have Denisovan Genes

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It also links them to yetis.  


On Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:21 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
  


  
That's why they thrive in the cold and thin atmosphere of Tibet, according to a 
researcher.

http://www.businessinsider.com/secrets-of-tibetans-success-2014-7
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] David Lynch’s factory fantasyland

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

he could really have a lot more to do were he to take up photographing 
abandoned TM facilities. 




 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 6:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] David Lynch’s factory fantasyland
 


  
The renowned director talks about his lifelong love affair with photographing 
abandoned factories
David Lynch’s factory fantasyland

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Bhairitu, 

 Robocops may be handy to patrol city streets both for deterring crimes and 
helping citizens who are in need due to accidents and other circumstances.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good, then we won't have to work anymore.  But students should have courses in 
robotics so they can fix and control the damn things.But give malicious 
city goons an idea and they'll want big f'in machines patrolling the streets 
which could crush you in a moment.  IEDs could become quite popular to blow 
them up.  The way to prevent this is to overthrow your local town and city 
governments and replace the ol' boy networks that run them with real concerned 
citizens.  That movement has already begun.  Kinda like a "browncoat" 
revolution.
 
 On 07/05/2014 08:52 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Salyavin, 

 If robots become intelligent, they too will be influenced by the Moon and 
other planets.  So, they may have various glitches on particular days just as 
cars have mechanical troubles attributable to a specific car maker, as in Ford, 
which is infamously known as "fix or repair daily".
 

 Or, Fiat which means, "fix it again, Tony". :)

[FairfieldLife] Now it can be told!

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

[FairfieldLife] Heather Graham on Closing Out Californication and the Best Thing David Lynch Taught Her

[nablusoss1008]

"And I was so young, so it was super fun to work with David Lynch. He told me 
about meditating, so I actually started meditating back then, and I’ve done it 
since."
 

 Heather Graham on Closing Out Californication and the Best Thing David Lynch 
Taught Her 
http://www.vulture.com/2014/06/heather-graham-on-closing-out-californication.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Salyavin, 

 It would appear that the main reason why intelligent machines would thrive is 
because human beings would need them.  For example, there may be some humans 
who would need a new limb because they've lost them by accident or medical 
reasons.  So, a robot arm would come in handy.
 

 Or there may be some people who are paralyzed due to a malfunction in parts of 
the brain.  So, a robotic brain may be of help to regain motor and mental 
capacity of these individuals.
 

 Given these types of circumstances, robotic development could be helpful for 
humans.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 Man was created by natural selection, the only difference between us and other 
animals is that we have the ability to inquire and seek explanations for our 
experience. This ability to understand has given us the way to fathom nature 
and manipulate it in such a way that we can - given enough research time and 
tools to refine measurements - create anything that is possible. 
 

 What seems extremely likely is that we can make a machine that is better - ie; 
faster - at thinking than we are. It doesn't have to be conscious in the way we 
are to be more effective at organising and replicating itself but a system of 
learned and self improving responses to awareness is a good start. Any 
self-improving machine will realise the advantage of seeing more of the 
electromagnetic spectrum than we do and hearing more, etc. 
 

 Is there any actual reason why a machine like this would consider us inferior? 
I think yes, because we consider ourselves superior - and in charge of - 
"lesser" creatures by virtue of our society and achievements, we have a higher 
order of organisation than anything else which seems like a higher stage of 
evolution because of the extra ways we have of adapting the environment to suit 
us, but not for long. The faster an independently reasoning machine thinks the 
quicker it will adapt, it would rapidly leave us standing.
 

 I heard a rumour there is a "kill switch" on the internet, probably just a 
myth but someone should try and build one just in case
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

[FairfieldLife] David Lynch’s factory fantasyland

[nablusoss1008]

The renowned director talks about his lifelong love affair with photographing 
abandoned factories
 David Lynch’s factory fantasyland 
http://www.dazeddigital.com/photography/article/18954/1/david-lynch-s-factory-fantasyland

[FairfieldLife] Tibetans Have Denisovan Genes

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That's why they thrive in the cold and thin atmosphere of Tibet, according to a 
researcher.
 

 http://www.businessinsider.com/secrets-of-tibetans-success-2014-7 
http://www.businessinsider.com/secrets-of-tibetans-success-2014-7

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

But mindfulness isn't the only other meditation out there. I used the mantras 
Chopra gave out after leaving TM (or rather that his teacher gave out, they who 
were originally taught by Roger Gabriel, a TM Governor who defected the 
Movement with Chopra). The mantras are different, chosen by one's birth chart 
and I think there are a hundred or so of them. The experience was quite good 
and no less "deep" than my experience of TM. And that is just one of the many 
other types of meditations. 






 From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing 
stress
 


  
When examined for what it is, so called mindfulness, is not a mechanism for 
reliable transcendence, at all - more like meandering around on the surface of 
the mind. Something that clearly evolved, as a poor second best, after the 
knowledge of TM was lost. Those championing it have had very few, or no 
sustained, deep experiences of transcending, otherwise they would see it for 
the shallow practice that it is.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no 
control group, it was still a quite impressive finding.

My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but 
that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that 
TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger.


Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of 
mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite 
different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to 
be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is.

But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always 
prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction.

Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of 
greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of 
the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research.

That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all situations.

I saw "nearly all" because there are people who become more anxious, the more 
relaxed they get, and it may be due to a different mechanism than Maharishi's 
"stress release model" that he came up with to describe the cycle of activity 
during TM, and no doubt there are other exceptions. But for most people, TM's 
stress-reduction is a Very Good Thing that can help heal nearly any condition. 

L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 



Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 
subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset 
after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study.

People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the 
most trivial findings as though they were important.

TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll diss any 
study that involves a "competing" meditation technique, no matter how trivial 
they claim it is. :-)

ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination 
given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. 
>From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's "the best," 
at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. 
That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics
and cultists, not scientists.

You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation 
wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to TM, or to anything else. 
They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're 
studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so 
petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the 
researchers who study them. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

He might would were he extraordinarily long lived.




 From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing 
stress
 


  
I was also addressing Barry, the guy with a bigger mouth, than the sum total of 
his meditation experience. The guy who really never did TM for any length of 
time - Quit in the 1970's, and now holds forth on his inferior method of 
meditation, having neither followed it, or TM, but as usual commenting like an 
expert, on both. Even if I stopped doing TM, now, and Barry started it, now, he 
would never equal my number of years meditating, before the end of his life. 
What a blowhard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


I wasn't basing my statement so much on wishful thinking as thinking of all the 
millions of folks to do other meditations than TM - kind of hard to think of 
all them being benighted and the relatively few practitioners of TM being at 
the peak of everything because of their meditation choice. Feels too much like 
the real independent churches around here where the members believe that only 
THEY, the members of that particular church are going to heaven while all the 
rest of the people who suppose themselves to be Christians are going to hell.




 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing 
stress



 
I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is 
fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, 
and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at 
least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my 
opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful 
thinking, every time.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 




"Anything other than TM is a waste of time."

At best, a very short sighted state of mind.


What an egocentric and petty state of mind. 

My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the 
practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they 
may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have 
never been taught
to think of it as
"the best." 

That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's 
personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and 
*inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, 
until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other 
technique of meditation, they instantly drop into "dick size contest 
consciousness," and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. 

This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate 
spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and 
behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. 

But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, 
petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick 
size
contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection of
Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a "competitor," not just 
another path or approach. 

I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and 
"TM science" cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never "suited up" and done 
any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying 
to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never 
experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he 
"knows" about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that 
were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I 
was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* 
that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we 
were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's 
parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it
taught to him by people who
had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. 

I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to 
how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their "we're the best" 
dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Urgent! Tell the JeffCo BOS: Say 'NO' to a $1.55 Million Heartland Co-op Tax Credit Handout

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Why aren't all of you asking MUM to state their position on this? Not making 
suppositions but asking them for their official stance? And the TM'ers on the 
city and county councils? Seems insane not to, unless you WANT Heartland to 
move in.




 From: "'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife ; 
fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Urgent! Tell the JeffCo BOS: Say 'NO' to a $1.55 
Million Heartland Co-op Tax Credit Handout
 


  
   
Before this Monday, July 7: Say 'No' To $1.55 Mill Heartland Co-op Tax Credit 
Handout!
    
  
 
 
 
Dear Rick
If the idea of handing out $1.55 million in state tax credits to Heartland 
Co-op for the creation of six new jobs while possibly losing 30 existing jobs 
bothers you, now is the time to speak up.
This Monday morning, July 7th at 9 am, the Jefferson County Board of 
Supervisors will meet to discuss whether to sponsor Heartland Co-op’s 
application for $1.55 million in tax credits and incentives under the Iowa High 
Quality Jobs program.
It doesn’t get more absurd than this. The county stands to potentially lose 30 
jobs at Overland Sheepskin from the project, as the considerable amounts of 
dust and noise from the grain elevator will make it difficult for Overland to 
continue its operations in the present location. Ten to twenty tons of grain 
dust emissions per year and expensive furs just don’t go together!
The decision before the BOS is whether to ignore this fact, and approve the 
$1.55 million tax handout for the creation of six permanent jobs at the new 
Heartland Co-op facility. The program falls under Iowa’s High Quality Jobs 
program, and it is part of an already controversial state tax credit programput 
in place under Governor Terry Branstad.
For the tax credit application, Heartland will need the nod of the JeffCo Board 
of Supervisors. The tax credit program is intended to offer incentives for 
local economic development, but a facility that creates six jobs, while 
potentially causing the loss of 30, can hardly be argued to constitute economic 
development.
This, of course, is just one of the numerous ways in which the proposed 
Heartland facility is likely to adversely affect JeffCo residents.  Increased 
road maintenance costs from the up to 30,000 to 60,000 additional truck trips 
per year, increased truck traffic through the streets of Fairfield, tons of 
annual grain dust emissions, and other impacts on the quality of life are just 
a few of the likely drawbacks of this supposed “economic development” project.
The Board of Supervisors has said that the Heartland Co-op facility is a done 
deal, and there’s nothing they can do. Well, at the very least, they can 
refrain from supporting a $1.55 million handout to Heartland in state tax 
credits! This is their chance to stand up for the Leahy family, who for more 
than twenty years have provided 30 jobs at Overland Sheepskin.
How You Can Voice Your Opinion
If this just doesn’t seem right to you, now is the time to speak up! Send an 
email to the supervisors. Or, if you know and are on friendly terms with one of 
them, call to share your concerns. And if possible, come to the meeting this 
Monday, July 7, 9 am at the Court House.
As always, of course, it’s imperative that we are polite and courteous, when 
sharing our concerns, and stick to the facts. Below are some possible  points 
to mention if you send an email. Feel free to copy this text and insert in an 
email, or better, rephrase in your own words and add your own observations. (We 
also suggest that you send a copy of the email to us afterwards at 
i...@ahead-iowa.org; it's useful for us to have it for our records.)
Sample Email Text (Please copy or edit into your own words)
To JeffCo Board of Supervisors
As I understand it, the BOS will be voting on whether to support an application 
for a $1.55 million tax credit to Heartland Co-op under the Iowa High Quality 
Jobs program.
As the public debate around the proposed Heartland facility has made clear, the 
facility represents numerous downsides to our community. In particular, the 
creation of six jobs, while likely losing 30 at Overland Sheepskin can hardly 
be characterized as “economic development.”
Further, Heartland Co-op is not in compliance with the application criteria for 
the program, which clearly state that the application has to be submitted 
beforethe projected is started. Since Heartland Co-op has already started 
construction, this clearly is not the case. 
As a resident of Jefferson County, I urge you to abstain from a vote in support 
of this program for the above mentioned reasons.
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BOS email addresses:
Lee Dimmitt, Chairman lee.dimm...@jeffersoncountyia.com

Richard C. Reed, Vice-Chair - email: dick.r...@jeffersoncountyia.com

Becky Schmitz - email: bschm...@jeffersoncountyia.com 
 
    
Volunteer!  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

When examined for what it is, so called mindfulness, is not a mechanism for 
reliable transcendence, at all - more like meandering around on the surface of 
the mind. Something that clearly evolved, as a poor second best, after the 
knowledge of TM was lost. Those championing it have had very few, or no 
sustained, deep experiences of transcending, otherwise they would see it for 
the shallow practice that it is. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no 
control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. 

 My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but 
that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that 
TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger.
 

 

 Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of 
mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite 
different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to 
be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is.
 

 But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always 
prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction.
 

 Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of 
greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of 
the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research.
 

 That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all situations.
 

 I saw "nearly all" because there are people who become more anxious, the more 
relaxed they get, and it may be due to a different mechanism than Maharishi's 
"stress release model" that he came up with to describe the cycle of activity 
during TM, and no doubt there are other exceptions. But for most people, TM's 
stress-reduction is a Very Good Thing that can help heal nearly any condition. 
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
 Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 
subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset 
after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study.
 

 People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the 
most trivial findings as though they were important.
 







TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll diss any 
study that involves a "competing" meditation technique, no matter how trivial 
they claim it is. :-)

ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination 
given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From 
Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's "the best," at the 
same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind 
of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists.

You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation 
wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to TM, or to anything else. 
They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're 
studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so 
petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the 
researchers who study them. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I was also addressing Barry, the guy with a bigger mouth, than the sum total of 
his meditation experience. The guy who really never did TM for any length of 
time - Quit in the 1970's, and now holds forth on his inferior method of 
meditation, having neither followed it, or TM, but as usual commenting like an 
expert, on both. Even if I stopped doing TM, now, and Barry started it, now, he 
would never equal my number of years meditating, before the end of his life. 
What a blowhard.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wasn't basing my statement so much on wishful thinking as thinking of all 
the millions of folks to do other meditations than TM - kind of hard to think 
of all them being benighted and the relatively few practitioners of TM being at 
the peak of everything because of their meditation choice. Feels too much like 
the real independent churches around here where the members believe that only 
THEY, the members of that particular church are going to heaven while all the 
rest of the people who suppose themselves to be Christians are going to hell.

 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on 
reducing stress
 
 
   I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what 
is fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, 
and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at 
least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my 
opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful 
thinking, every time.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 
 "Anything other than TM is a waste of time."
 

 At best, a very short sighted state of mind.

 








What an egocentric and petty state of mind. 

My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the 
practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they 
may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have 
never been taught to think of it as "the best." 

That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's 
personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and 
*inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, 
until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other 
technique of meditation, they instantly drop into "dick size contest 
consciousness," and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. 

This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate 
spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and 
behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. 

But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, 
petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick 
size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection 
of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a "competitor," not just 
another path or approach. 

I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and 
"TM science" cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never "suited up" and done 
any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying 
to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never 
experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he 
"knows" about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that 
were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I 
was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* 
that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we 
were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's 
parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by 
people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting 
down. 

I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to 
how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their "we're the best" 
dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. 












 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Makes sense for the planes and soldiers. My concern will be when the policemen 
are replaced.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fleetwood, 

 The next development in line is the construction of robot soldiers which can 
seize the battlefield from enemy combatants.  As such, the loss of human 
soldiers will be drastically reduced.
 

 Also, someone speculated that the latest F-35 may be the last warplane that 
will be flown by a human being.  That is to say that the future warplanes will 
be flown by built-in intelligent computers to fight the battle in any theater 
or environment.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the 
toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from 
that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, 
self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now 
capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile 
box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 Man was created by natural selection, the only difference between us and other 
animals is that we have the ability to inquire and seek explanations for our 
experience. This ability to understand has given us the way to fathom nature 
and manipulate it in such a way that we can - given enough research time and 
tools to refine measurements - create anything that is possible. 
 

 What seems extremely likely is that we can make a machine that is better - ie; 
faster - at thinking than we are. It doesn't have to be conscious in the way we 
are to be more effective at organising and replicating itself but a system of 
learned and self improving responses to awareness is a good start. Any 
self-improving machine will realise the advantage of seeing more of the 
electromagnetic spectrum than we do and hearing more, etc. 
 

 Is there any actual reason why a machine like this would consider us inferior? 
I think yes, because we consider ourselves superior - and in charge of - 
"lesser" creatures by virtue of our society and achievements, we have a higher 
order of organisation than anything else which seems like a higher stage of 
evolution because of the extra ways we have of adapting the environment to suit 
us, but not for long. The faster an independently reasoning machine thinks the 
quicker it will adapt, it would rapidly leave us standing.
 

 I heard a rumour there is a "kill switch" on the internet, probably just a 
myth but someone should try and build one just in case
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Share, 

 That's just the beginning.  I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots 
get smarter.
 

 But can they transcend as well?  That could be a possible topic of discussion 
for philosophers and programmers.
 

 What do you mean, can robots transcend? Can they stop thinking for a bit and 
just observe their inner sensations? They could do that if you programmed them 
to but why bother, they won't get tired like we do so a little quiet time will 
be pointless.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began 
lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do 
they need to hoard?!

 


 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[salyavin808]

 

So if robots are immune to astrological influences they might have an 
advantage? 

 But then if they are smarter than us they'll use their knowledge of how the 
moon influences us to launch an attack when we are in a weak dasha period. 
 

 The human race could be in worse trouble than we thought!
 

 
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Share, 

 That's a good question.  Humans have consciousness.  But we're also influenced 
by the transit of the Moon which can be seen by the varying types of dreams 
that we have at night.  Each zodiac sign and nakshatras have specific effects 
on the Moon's quality which in turn transmit the information to our minds in 
the forms of emotion, thinking, and dreams.
 

 The other planets do the same thing, but aren't as noticeable because they 
don't move as fast like the Moon.
 

 In effect, these planets have influences on our minds and physiology.  We can 
either act on those influences or witness them as observers of a cosmic dance.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. Which leads 
to the question: what does it mean to think a thought? 

 


 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Share,
 

 That's just the beginning.  I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots 
get smarter.
 

 But can they transcend as well?  That could be a possible topic of discussion 
for philosophers and programmers.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began 
lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do 
they need to hoard?!

 


 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html


 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Somehow all this research stuff seems like comparing apples and goats, because 
the parameters measured in meditation are not correlated with spiritual goals. 
Based on my reading, etc., I would say that the spiritual goals as defined by a 
number of different schools of spiritual development (TM, Tao, Vedanta, Zen I 
am including here, but there are others, particularly other forms of Buddhism 
with which I am not so familiar) the spiritual goal would correspond to what 
Maharishi called Brahman Consciousness (BC). Nothing less than this would 
correspond to what the others schools call 'enlightenment'.  

 As an example, CC and GC are not considered enlightenment in Zen, the former 
is an indication of progress near the bottom of the spiritual ladder, and GC is 
considered hallucinatory, visual and auditory delusions. Unity is also below 
the upper rung on the ladder, because the concept and idea and experience of 
unity also has to go by the way. So we dump CC, GC, and UC, and have to 
establish some kind of parameters for BC. 
 

 Do we have any data from the TM camp as to the correlates of BC? There are 
changes in the overall character of experience a person has, but there are also 
important changes in mental perspective. It does not seem however there is a 
specific persistent experience that is enlightenment, it is a combination of 
experiential and knowledge changes together that constitute enlightenment, but 
there seems to be no useful information that correlates with this across 
spiritual platforms, or disparate research groups. 

 By the way Lawson, the state of least excitation of the brain is called death. 
Enlightenment however requires that whatever it may be defined as eventually, 
it is known while the brain is engaged in practical activity in daily life. 
Lawson, you always seem to be talking about the earlier stages that lead to 
enlightenment, and are basing your arguments on that. For example, what 
percentage of those who learn a meditative technique achieve BC? Since it is 
known, approximately, that 10 to 20 percent of TM practitioners continue with 
the practice, at best only 10 to 20 percent could achieve enlightenment via TM. 
The actual value seems as if it would be considerably lower. Maybe 0.5% or 
less? I am defining enlightenment as BC, nothing less (this is the 'highest 
first' principle, though you know there is an incredible joke involved here in 
calling enlightenment the 'highest'), and there is no scientific correlates to 
BC I am aware of. What have you got?
 

 I recall Maharishi saying if anything resulted in enlightenment, then the way 
that happened was by 'transcendental meditation', but he seemed to be using the 
word as a broad category rather than his specific technology. In other words, 
there is a principle involved, and there are different ways to for that 
principle to be put into practice. Maharishi said he did not 'round much' when 
he was with Guru Dev, he just did things for him, and that was basically his 
practice. The formulation of the specific technique came later. So it appears 
Maharishi did not get enlightened, if you consider him enlightened, by way of 
the Transcendental Meditation® Technique.
 

 I would think, If 'enlightenment' exists, it would not matter at all how you 
got there as long as you got there. Nisargadatta took three years, and he did 
not practice TM. It took Adyashanti about twelve years and then some, and he 
did not practice TM. There are TM practitioners who have practised over forty 
years, who seem completely in the dark as to enlightenment, and there are some 
TM practitioners who have practised considerably less but have come to a much 
greater level of clarity about this matter. This matter does not seem resolved 
at all concerning superiority of methods.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no 
control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. 

 My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but 
that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that 
TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger.
 

 

 Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of 
mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite 
different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to 
be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is.
 

 But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always 
prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction.
 

 Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of 
greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of 
the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research.
 

 That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all situations.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Richard,
 

 This idea could be the next movie hit.  You should copyright it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 7/5/2014 11:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the 
toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from 
that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, 
self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now 
capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile 
box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. 






 
 What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that they 
couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a government, are so 
paranoid about people "snooping on them." Sure sounds like an overdose of 
self-importance to me.  :-)





 >
 All you have to do is follow the money. The bots want to know how you spend, 
how you surf the web - especially your bank wants to know what you're up to. By 
now, you've left data prints all over the network - your very name makes all 
the lights on the blade server light up all at once. You're tagged.
 
 The aliens have almost taken over the entire planet! They've turned us into a 
world of confusion - weak and unable to see the truth - now we have millions of 
people who are like androids, blindly following the bots. 
 
 Like the Manchurian Candidate, they are killing us from within and it doesn't 
have anything to do with how they look or what race they are from or where they 
are currently living. It should have been a clue way back when you see some 
guys building pyramids and ziggarats as signals to the other aliens. Go figure.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Good, then we won't have to work anymore.  But students should have 
courses in robotics so they can fix and control the damn things.But 
give malicious city goons an idea and they'll want big f'in machines 
patrolling the streets which could crush you in a moment.  IEDs could 
become quite popular to blow them up.  The way to prevent this is to 
overthrow your local town and city governments and replace the ol' boy 
networks that run them with real concerned citizens.  That movement has 
already begun.  Kinda like a "browncoat" revolution.


On 07/05/2014 08:52 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on 
earth.  Is that shocking or what?



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

[FairfieldLife] Urgent! Tell the JeffCo BOS: Say 'NO' to a $1.55 Million Heartland Co-op Tax Credit Handout

['Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]]

   




Before this Monday, July 7: Say 'No' To $1.55 Mill Heartland Co-op Tax Credit 
Handout!

 




 

  

 

 


 

 

Dear Rick

If the idea of handing out $1.55 million in state tax credits to Heartland 
Co-op for the creation of six new jobs while possibly losing 30 existing jobs 
bothers you, now is the time to speak up.

This Monday morning, July 7th at 9 am, the Jefferson County Board of 
Supervisors will meet to discuss whether to sponsor Heartland Co-op’s 
application for $1.55 million in tax credits and incentives under the Iowa High 
Quality Jobs program.

It doesn’t get more absurd than this. The county stands to potentially lose 30 
jobs at Overland Sheepskin from the project, as the considerable amounts of 
dust and noise from the grain elevator will make it difficult for Overland to 
continue its operations in the present location. Ten to twenty tons of grain 
dust emissions per year and expensive furs just don’t go together!

The decision before the BOS is whether to ignore this fact, and approve the 
$1.55 million tax handout for the creation of six permanent jobs at the new 
Heartland Co-op facility. The program falls under Iowa’s High Quality Jobs 
program, and it is part of an already controversial  

 state tax credit program put in place under Governor Terry Branstad.

For the tax credit application, Heartland will need the nod of the JeffCo Board 
of Supervisors. The tax credit program is intended to offer incentives for 
local economic development, but a facility that creates six jobs, while 
potentially causing the loss of 30, can hardly be argued to constitute economic 
development.

This, of course, is just one of the numerous ways in which the proposed 
Heartland facility is likely to adversely affect JeffCo residents.  Increased 
road maintenance costs from the up to 30,000 to 60,000 additional truck trips 
per year, increased truck traffic through the streets of Fairfield, tons of 
annual grain dust emissions, and other impacts on the quality of life are just 
a few of the likely drawbacks of this supposed “economic development” project.

The Board of Supervisors has said that the Heartland Co-op facility is a done 
deal, and there’s nothing they can do. Well, at the very least, they can 
refrain from supporting a $1.55 million handout to Heartland in state tax 
credits! This is their chance to stand up for the Leahy family, who for more 
than twenty years have provided 30 jobs at Overland Sheepskin.

How You Can Voice Your Opinion

If this just doesn’t seem right to you, now is the time to speak up! Send an 
email to the supervisors. Or, if you know and are on friendly terms with one of 
them, call to share your concerns. And if possible, come to the meeting this 
Monday, July 7, 9 am at the Court House.

As always, of course, it’s imperative that we are polite and courteous, when 
sharing our concerns, and stick to the facts. Below are some possible  points 
to mention if you send an email. Feel free to copy this text and insert in an 
email, or better, rephrase in your own words and add your own observations. (We 
also suggest that you send a copy of the email to us afterwards at 
i...@ahead-iowa.org  ; it's useful for us to have 
it for our records.)

Sample Email Text (Please copy or edit into your own words)

To JeffCo Board of Supervisors

As I understand it, the BOS will be voting on whether to support an application 
for a $1.55 million tax credit to Heartland Co-op under the Iowa High Quality 
Jobs program.

As the public debate around the proposed Heartland facility has made clear, the 
facility represents numerous downsides to our community. In particular, the 
creation of six jobs, while likely losing 30 at Overland Sheepskin can hardly 
be characterized as “economic development.”

Further, Heartland Co-op is not in compliance with the application criteria for 
the program, which clearly state that the application has to be submitted 
before the projected is started. Since Heartland Co-op has already started 
construction, this clearly is not the case. 

As a resident of Jefferson County, I urge you to abstain from a vote in support 
of this program for the above mentioned reasons.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

BOS email addresses:

Lee Dimmitt, Chairman lee.dimm...@jeffersoncountyia.com 
 

Richard C. Reed, Vice-Chair - email: dick.r...@jeffersoncountyia.com 
 

Becky Schmitz - email: bschm...@jeffersoncountyia.com 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 07/05/2014 09:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip 
in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are 
resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs 
in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current 
civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and 
vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt 
the military can exceed that coverage.



What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that 
they couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a 
government, are so paranoid about people "snooping on them." Sure 
sounds like an overdose of self-importance to me.  :-)


Except that the Nasty Snooping Assholes seem to want to get the "goods" 
on everybody to blackmail them. So if you download a movie they've "got 
ya" for future reference.  Even my brother-in-law, who usually doesn't 
pay any attention to these things, asked me yesterday about cameras on 
new TVs.  I told him  some "Smart TVs" had them so that folks could 
Skype with the TV and along with the Netflix apps, etc, could add $200 
for extra profit.
And these are not surreptitious because they are mentioned as a 
feature.  Anything to sell folks a new TV.


Big brother actually is here and wants to turn ordinary unimportant 
citizens into "criminal masterminds."  The best thing to do is poison 
their database with useless information.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, 

 Excellent point.  I like the idea that humans do have a choice on how to lead 
their lives here on earth.  But the violence we see in our cities and wars in 
the Middle East show that many people are not thinking adequately and are 
simply moved by the gunas at a particular point in time.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 7/5/2014 11:16 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. Which 
leads to the question: what does it mean to think a thought? 
 


 >
 A thought is a subtle vibration of consciousness. Thinking is an act - by 
acting in a given way at any given moment, we can bend the future fate of this 
being we call 'I,' however slightly, in a direction we are not yet aware of. 
 
 According to Varenne, "By acting in a given way at any given moment, we can 
bend the future fate of this being I call 'me,' however slightly, in a 
direction we am not yet aware of, because at the moment I perform that action 
(karma), my being is one with the cosmic value of the forces involved in that 
action."
 
 By paying close attention to moment-to-moment conscious experience, Harris 
suggests, it is possible to make our sense of "self" vanish and thereby uncover 
a new state of personal well-being. 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/Sam_Harris/ 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris_%28author%29
 
 'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason'
 by Sam Harris
 W.W. Norton & Company, 2004
 p. 214
 
 
 

 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
mailto:jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife]  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   Share,
 

 That's just the beginning.  I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots 
get smarter.
 

 But can they transcend as well?  That could be a possible topic of discussion 
for philosophers and programmers.
 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began 
lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do 
they need to hoard?!
 
 
 

 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html





 
 












 
 









 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Barry, 

 All human beings are unique and important individually.   But if someone does 
violate another person's rights, it is likely that he or she would be violating 
others as well.  Isn't that what Big Brother is all about?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the 
toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from 
that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, 
self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now 
capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile 
box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. 







What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that they 
couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a government, are so 
paranoid about people "snooping on them." Sure sounds like an overdose of 
self-importance to me.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fleetwood, 

 The next development in line is the construction of robot soldiers which can 
seize the battlefield from enemy combatants.  As such, the loss of human 
soldiers will be drastically reduced.
 

 Also, someone speculated that the latest F-35 may be the last warplane that 
will be flown by a human being.  That is to say that the future warplanes will 
be flown by built-in intelligent computers to fight the battle in any theater 
or environment.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the 
toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from 
that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, 
self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now 
capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile 
box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ann, 

 The human system's antibodies are able to protect the physiology against those 
bacteria and viruses.  So, the threats are mitigated.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 The "top" life form on Earth will be that that infects us all with some deadly 
contagion, be it in the form of bacteria or virus. Those things always 
ultimately come out victorious, or at least, decimating.
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 11:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip 
in the toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are 
resulting from that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs 
in optical tech, self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current 
civilian drones are now capable of tracking every human being and 
vehicle, inside a five square mile box, even within a city. No doubt 
the military can exceed that coverage.



What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that 
they couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a 
government, are so paranoid about people "snooping on them." Sure 
sounds like an overdose of self-importance to me.  :-)

>
All you have to do is follow the money. The bots want to know how you 
spend, how you surf the web - especially your bank wants to know what 
you're up to. By now, you've left data prints all over the network - 
your very name makes all the lights on the blade server light up all at 
once. You're tagged.


The aliens have almost taken over the entire planet! They've turned us 
into a world of confusion - weak and unable to see the truth - now we 
have millions of people who are like androids, blindly following the bots.


Like the /Manchurian Candidate/, they are killing us from within and it 
doesn't have anything to do with how they look or what race they are 
from or where they are currently living. It should have been a clue way 
back when you see some guys building pyramids and ziggarats as signals 
to the other aliens. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Share, 

 That's a good question.  Humans have consciousness.  But we're also influenced 
by the transit of the Moon which can be seen by the varying types of dreams 
that we have at night.  Each zodiac sign and nakshatras have specific effects 
on the Moon's quality which in turn transmit the information to our minds in 
the forms of emotion, thinking, and dreams.
 

 The other planets do the same thing, but aren't as noticeable because they 
don't move as fast like the Moon.
 

 In effect, these planets have influences on our minds and physiology.  We can 
either act on those influences or witness them as observers of a cosmic dance.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. Which leads 
to the question: what does it mean to think a thought? 

 


 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Share,
 

 That's just the beginning.  I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots 
get smarter.
 

 But can they transcend as well?  That could be a possible topic of discussion 
for philosophers and programmers.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began 
lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do 
they need to hoard?!

 


 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html


 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It was at one time owned by the Maharishi Group - who has ownership of it on 
paper is anyone guess. I said that merely to see how much stress it would shake 
out of Bucky's nervous system.




 From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
 


  
Where's you evidence that Girish has any control over any property on the MUM 
campus?


L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you. 




 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Witnessing the Great Transcendent



 
"That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is 
mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which 
the thought"I"(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self 
(swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone 
is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other 
kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of 
silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective 
differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the 
form of true knowledge."- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: 
Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part
One
 
  EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... 
(EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One 
& Two "That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi...  
View on www.adishakti.orgPreview by Yahoo   



Yep and even before Descartes in the
West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back 
looking to the Unified Field.
That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of  “a life well 
lived” at Walden Pond, 
versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these
anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. 
One can feel a grave
concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently
is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions
with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what
clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others 
so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential.
May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of 
our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience,
-Buck

sharelong60 writes:

Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with 
the Buddhists and Hindus (-:

punditster
writes:
On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me
to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is
consciousness.
>>>Addressing the important issues!
>>>
>>>The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - "I
think, therefore I am." Descartes was a dualist who believed
that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene
Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the
notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that 
consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, not two. In 
India they call this the "Consciousness
Only School", ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga.
According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: 
>>>
>>>"Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is
Self-luminous." (XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off duality, he directly
perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena
(dharmadatu)." (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the 
toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from 
that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, 
self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now 
capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile 
box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage.


What I've never understood is why people who are so unimportant that they 
couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone, much less a government, are so 
paranoid about people "snooping on them." Sure sounds like an overdose of 
self-importance to me.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 11:16 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. 
Which leads to the question: what does it mean to think a thought?

>
A thought is a subtle vibration of consciousness. Thinking is an act - 
by acting in a given way at any given moment, we can bend the future 
fate of this being we call 'I,' however slightly, in a direction we are 
not yet aware of.


According to Varenne, /"By acting in a given way at any given moment, we 
can bend the future fate of this being I call 'me,' however slightly, in 
a direction we am not yet aware of, because at the moment I perform that 
action (karma), my being is one with the cosmic value of the forces 
involved in that action."/


By paying close attention to moment-to-moment conscious experience, 
Harris suggests, it is possible to make our sense of "self" vanish and 
thereby uncover a new state of personal well-being.


http://en.wikipedia.org/Sam_Harris/ 



/'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason'/
by Sam Harris
W.W. Norton & Company, 2004
p. 214




On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:



Share,

That's just the beginning.  I'm afraid of what will happen when these 
robots get smarter.


But can they transcend as well?  That could be a possible topic of 
discussion for philosophers and programmers.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that 
robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If 
they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?!



On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:



One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on 
earth.  Is that shocking or what?


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I was watching a panel discussion on ubiquitous computing - the chip in the 
toaster, etc., and the vast, interconnected networks that are resulting from 
that. I have also been watching all the breakthroughs in optical tech, 
self-driving cars, and autonomous robots. Current civilian drones are now 
capable of tracking every human being and vehicle, inside a five square mile 
box, even within a city. No doubt the military can exceed that coverage. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 11:12 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Share,


That's just the beginning.  I'm afraid of what will happen when these 
robots get smarter.


But can they transcend as well?  That could be a possible topic of 
discussion for philosophers and programmers.

>
We saw the movie Transcendence on the big screen recently. Barry posted 
a link to the movie review recently.


388813 



Transcendence (2014)
Johnny Depp, Rebecca Hall, Morgan Freeman
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2209764/

The thing we should be really interested in are the internet bots. An 
Internet bot is a web robot. They are constantly are running on your 
computer, attempting to take over, and tracking your every click and 
key-stroke.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_bot

Transcendence Official Trailer
http://youtu.be/VCTen3-B8GU
>





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that 
robots began lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If 
they're so superior, why do they need to hoard?!



On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:



One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on 
earth.  Is that shocking or what?


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ancient nuclear reactors

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


  
You never know how clever those Indus Valley people (must've been something 
like the Silicon Valley) might have been.  These days they're busy inventing 
cow-less milk:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2678218/Would-YOU-drink-pint-man-cows-milk-Scientists-developing-artificial-beverage-spell-end-dairies.html


 It's like True Blood, only for wimps.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ancient nuclear reactors

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

You never know how clever those Indus Valley people (must've been 
something like the Silicon Valley) might have been.  These days they're 
busy inventing cow-less milk:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2678218/Would-YOU-drink-pint-man-cows-milk-Scientists-developing-artificial-beverage-spell-end-dairies.html

On 07/05/2014 12:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



2 billion years ago! That means it couldn't possible have anything to 
do with the "vedic" myths and the Indus valley phenomenon we discussed 
earlier. In fact, all we can say from that if it wasn't natural they 
weren't human or even from this planet.


But before we get all hysterical it's probably best to look at it 
without the hyperbole, it's actually really interesting:


Natural nuclear fission reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 





image 


Natural nuclear fission reactor - Wikipedia, the free en... 

A natural nuclear fission reactor is a uranium deposit where 
self-sustaining nuclear chain reactions have occurred. This can be 
examined by analysis of ...


View on en.wikipedia.org 



Preview by Yahoo



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Ooparts & Ancient High Technology--Evidence of Ancient Atomic 
Knowledge? 




image 


Ooparts & Ancient High Technology--Evidence of A... 

Evidence of Ancient Atomic Knowledge? ...PAGE 2 Scientists Discover 
Six Ancient Zones of Depleted Uranium with Plutonium Products Here at 
s8int.com, we smell a rat...


View on s8int.com 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: One for Card

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So...Steve stole the stevedores?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is this guy a comedian? Finnish PM says, "Steve Jobs took our jobs."
 
 
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/05/steve-jobs-took-our-jobs-says-finnish-prime-minister/
 
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/05/steve-jobs-took-our-jobs-says-finnish-prime-minister/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep. TM is the only technique for an active life-style -- no copy-catting the 
recluse life, at all. It gets me out of my own way, like nothing else, for full 
steam ahead, always. Though he is an odious individual, I am a big fan of the 
Woody Allen quote: "I don't mellow, I rot." I am down to 4 to 6 hours of sleep 
per night, and if I could sleep less, and do even more, I would.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Bingo !
 And to this day not a single scientific research on other forms of meditations 
shows anything coming even close. Maharishi was right, yet again. He did say 
however that the techniques of Yogananda were the best until TM came along but 
was meant for a recluse lifestyle. Would be interesting to know if anyone have 
seen any studies on that system

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is 
fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, 
and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at 
least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my 
opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful 
thinking, every time. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 
 "Anything other than TM is a waste of time."
 

 At best, a very short sighted state of mind.

 








What an egocentric and petty state of mind. 

My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the 
practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they 
may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have 
never been taught to think of it as "the best." 

That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's 
personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and 
*inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, 
until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other 
technique of meditation, they instantly drop into "dick size contest 
consciousness," and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. 

This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate 
spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and 
behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. 

But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, 
petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick 
size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection 
of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a "competitor," not just 
another path or approach. 

I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and 
"TM science" cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never "suited up" and done 
any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying 
to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never 
experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he 
"knows" about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that 
were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I 
was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* 
that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we 
were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's 
parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by 
people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting 
down. 

I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to 
how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their "we're the best" 
dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. 

[FairfieldLife] One for Card

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Is this guy a comedian?  Finnish PM says, "Steve Jobs took our jobs."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/05/steve-jobs-took-our-jobs-says-finnish-prime-minister/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to 
how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their "we're the best" 
dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. 
 






 >
 On 7/5/2014 8:52 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 Oh be quiet.
 








 >
 Barry probably can't be quiet because it's a compulsion to post. To critique 
the TMers is his way of proving that he is "the best dick-waver" on FFL. Where 
is Dr. Pete when we need him? Where's a magnifying glass when I need one?
 >
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, all that other stuff is a waste of time. There are lots of time wasting 
activities around, so I am not singling these out, in particular. I am sure 
there were many people in favor of sticking with gaslight, once electricity was 
introduced. There are always those afraid of change, and you can't get a more 
complete change, than doing TM - in my opinion, of course.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wasn't basing my statement so much on wishful thinking as thinking of all 
the millions of folks to do other meditations than TM - kind of hard to think 
of all them being benighted and the relatively few practitioners of TM being at 
the peak of everything because of their meditation choice. Feels too much like 
the real independent churches around here where the members believe that only 
THEY, the members of that particular church are going to heaven while all the 
rest of the people who suppose themselves to be Christians are going to hell.

 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on 
reducing stress
 
 
   I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what 
is fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, 
and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at 
least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my 
opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful 
thinking, every time.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 
 "Anything other than TM is a waste of time."
 

 At best, a very short sighted state of mind.

 








What an egocentric and petty state of mind. 

My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the 
practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they 
may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have 
never been taught to think of it as "the best." 

That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's 
personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and 
*inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, 
until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other 
technique of meditation, they instantly drop into "dick size contest 
consciousness," and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. 

This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate 
spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and 
behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. 

But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, 
petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick 
size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection 
of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a "competitor," not just 
another path or approach. 

I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and 
"TM science" cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never "suited up" and done 
any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying 
to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never 
experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he 
"knows" about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that 
were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I 
was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* 
that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we 
were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's 
parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by 
people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting 
down. 

I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to 
how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their "we're the best" 
dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. 












 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robots will Take Over by 2045

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 The "top" life form on Earth will be that that infects us all with some deadly 
contagion, be it in the form of bacteria or virus. Those things always 
ultimately come out victorious, or at least, decimating.
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've never in my life called you a Mean Girl.

 

 Thanks MJ, because I am not mean. I don't take any shit and have a hard time 
suffering fools, but other than that I'm pretty nice most of the time.
 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 p'raps you had best get the TM checked - if you are allowing something someone 
says to vex you, that TM can't be working too well then can it?

 

 I keep reminding myself that if the women were doing this to Share we would be 
Mean Girls and picking on her but when you guys do it to Nabby and Steve you're 
just having a "conversation", although you haven't called it that so far.
 

 

 


 

 




 













 


 












 














 


 












 














 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

John, I guess that depends upon whether they can think a thought. Which leads 
to the question: what does it mean to think a thought? 



On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:13 AM, "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  
Share,

That's just the beginning.  I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots 
get smarter.

But can they transcend as well?  That could be a possible topic of discussion 
for philosophers and programmers.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began 
lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do 
they need to hoard?!



On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:



 
One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  Is 
that shocking or what?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Google

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Probably removing news article links was done by a new 23 year old hire 
at Google hoping to impress his masters (as if Google has any 
managers).  Or maybe he was looking for a job with the Nasty Snooping 
Assholes.

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[FairfieldLife] wrote:
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> criticized by publishers. Go figure.
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> Mail’s MailOnline, said in an e-mailed statement..."
>
> 'Google Restores Some Links Pulled on Privacy Law Ruling'
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 the greatest stereotype of this kind is to consider the regional differences 
in speech as accents - they aren't they are all distinct dialects. That is why 
so many of the actors in film do poor Southern speech - they are trying to 
achieve and "accent" when they should be studying the specific dialect.
 

 It's still an accent and I would think the scriptwriter needs to study the 
dialect in order to ensure the actors who are using their assumed accent also 
incorporate the correct dialect. It is not all up to the actors, they are given 
their lines.
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU
  
  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU
  
  
  
  
  
 Appalachian English http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU

 
 View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:36 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But WhyWait But Why 
http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html
 
 
 http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html
 
 Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But Why... 
http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html This actress 
crushes the large variety of hilarious accents in the UK.


 
 View on waitbutwhy.com 
http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 .
 Very good, I'm proper BBC apparently - I can't tell, but Americans always 
lurve my accent.
 

 I wish I could hear your accent in your writing but instead your wit, sense of 
humour and intelligence come through. I always enjoy your posting, Sal.
 

 I'm with Seraphita about Brummie though, when the government announced a high 
speed train linking the Birmingham to the rest of the UK I thought the money 
would be better spent on a huge wall to keep them seperate, lest the contagion 
spreads.

 

 Heh.
 

 Scouse is my next least favourite, for some reason I think of drug dealers and 
violence every time I hear it but it's one of the friendliest places to visit 
in the UK! I blame TV for my stereotypes.
 

 And I'm guilty of feeling like everyone with a southern accent is a hick with 
a fornicating cousin in their background so I guess we're all guilty of 
stereotyping.
 

 According to Bill Bryson in his excellent book Mother Tongue there are 43 
distinct British regional accents and before people started moving about with 
the invention of the railway they could be easily subdivided further.
 

 I love the idea of that much diversity in such a relatively small area.
 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Share, 

 That's just the beginning.  I'm afraid of what will happen when these robots 
get smarter.
 

 But can they transcend as well?  That could be a possible topic of discussion 
for philosophers and programmers.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began 
lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do 
they need to hoard?!

 


 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  
Is that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Sorry, that should have been: YAMS == Yet Another Meditation Study.  Now 
who ordered the Band Gobhi?



On 07/04/2014 06:39 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


(YAS = Yet Another Study). From the dailymail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2681138/Stressed-work-Meditating-really-does-work-youll-difference-three-days-say-researchers.html

[FairfieldLife] A True Story...

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Once upon a time UFOs began landing on earth.  The leader of the aliens 
announced, "we are here to annihilate all human species on this planet.  
However before we commence, do you have any questions?"  A young girl 
stepped forward and asked, "what is the best type of meditation?"  The 
aliens looked at each other puzzled. The leader said, "we will get back 
to you on that" and took off in his ship to return to the mother ship 
orbiting the earth.  The next thing humans knew was that aliens were 
blasting each other out of the sky.

[FairfieldLife] Jihadist Declares He's the Boss

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

He might also antagonize many Muslims.  So, how does that spell for the Middle 
East?
 

 
http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-states-baghdadi-orders-muslims-obey-him-144048997.html
 
http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-states-baghdadi-orders-muslims-obey-him-144048997.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fascinating article, John, if alarming. It's hard to believe that robots began 
lying to each other in order to hoard resources. If they're so superior, why do 
they need to hoard?!



On Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:52 AM, "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  
One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  Is 
that shocking or what?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Girish doesn't own any property on the MUM campus. There's no evidence 
that Girish owns anything in the U.S. MJ jut made up some BS and posted 
it, like he usually does. Go figure.

>
On 7/5/2014 10:51 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Where's you evidence that Girish has any control over any property on 
the MUM campus?




L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you.


*From:* "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent

"That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which 
is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the 
state in which the thought"I"(the ego) does not rise even in the 
least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent 
Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self 
alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only 
petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the 
real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences 
are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form 
of true knowledge."- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S 
CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One 





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EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... 
 

(EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi 
Part One & Two "That state which transcends speech and thought is 
mouna. That whi...


View on www.adishakti.org 



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Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the
old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the
Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a
transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, 
versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these
anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. 
One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here

based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to
their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over
transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest
transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested
to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the
great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls
of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening
experience,
-Buck

sharelong60 writes:
Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm
sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-:

punditster writes:
On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think
that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is
consciousness.


Addressing the important issues!

The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory -
"/I think, therefore I am./" Descartes was a dualist who
believed that the mind was separate from the body.
However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists
and Hindus had already formulated the notion of
non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that
/consciousness itself was the ultimate reality/ and that
it was /one, not two/. In India they call this the
"/Consciousness Only School/", ascribed to by the Adi
Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra
Lankara:

/"Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature,
it is Self-luminous." (XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off
duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the
unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)."/ (VI, 7) Sharma,
p. 112-113



.

[FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

One writer believes that humans will no longer be the top species on earth.  Is 
that shocking or what?
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2045-physicist-says-top-species-123359838.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Where's you evidence that Girish has any control over any property on the MUM 
campus? 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you. 

 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
 
 
   "That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is 
mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which 
the thought"I"(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self 
(swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone 
is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other 
kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of 
silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective 
differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the 
form of true knowledge."- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: 
Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One
 
 
 
http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf
 
 EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... 
http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf
 (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part 
One & Two "That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi...


 
 View on www.adishakti.org 
http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 
 Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum 
and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is 
again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden 
Pond,  versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these 
anti-meditation neganauts displayed here.  One can feel a grave concern for the 
sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of 
clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over 
transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent 
experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in 
spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field 
have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their 
own awakening experience, -Buck 
 sharelong60 writes:
 Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with 
the Buddhists and Hindus (-: 
 punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. 
Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is 
consciousness.
 Addressing the important issues!
 
 The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - "I think, therefore 
I am." Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the 
body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had 
already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the 
notion that consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, 
not two. In India they call this the "Consciousness Only School", ascribed to 
by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: 
 
 "Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous." 
(XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which 
is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)." (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113
 
 
.















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no 
control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. 

 My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but 
that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that 
TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger.
 

 

 Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of 
mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite 
different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to 
be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is.
 

 But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always 
prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction.
 

 Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of 
greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of 
the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research.
 

 That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all situations.
 

 I saw "nearly all" because there are people who become more anxious, the more 
relaxed they get, and it may be due to a different mechanism than Maharishi's 
"stress release model" that he came up with to describe the cycle of activity 
during TM, and no doubt there are other exceptions. But for most people, TM's 
stress-reduction is a Very Good Thing that can help heal nearly any condition. 
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
 Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 
subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset 
after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study.
 

 People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the 
most trivial findings as though they were important.
 







TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll diss any 
study that involves a "competing" meditation technique, no matter how trivial 
they claim it is. :-)

ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination 
given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From 
Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's "the best," at the 
same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind 
of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists.

You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation 
wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to TM, or to anything else. 
They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're 
studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so 
petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the 
researchers who study them. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Share, 

 You're correct.  Your knowledge of jyotish is admirable. :)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, I just know maybe 50% of the knowledge of jyotish that I've picked up 
here and there. But I'll guess that your birthday is coming up, Sun in cancer. 
 


 On Friday, July 4, 2014 10:16 PM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Share,
 

 I'm running the subdasa of the Moon in the major period of Mercury.  You might 
be able to guess my birthday with that information. :)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, that is wonderful support of nature, for all involved. Hmmm, if your 
natal Merc is in Cancer, then either you just had a birthday or have one coming 
up, as Merc is never far from the Sun. What subdasa are you running?

 


 On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:46 PM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Share,
 

 I actually wanted to travel to Spain before this invitation came along.  So, 
there appears to be a synchronicity of events involved here.  Michelle, my 
cousin's daughter, will be happy for her wedding and I'll be happy for 
attending it and for the opportunity to travel.
 

 Also, she was in Paris when I went there in 2003.  But I didn't know at that 
time that she was there too.  So, our paths seem to cross quite often.  In my 
chart, she appears to be represented by Mercury which is placed in my first 
house. 
 

 It's actually fascinating to see how these events are unfolding.  From what I 
can see, she is making me travel to see her.  And, I don't mind since I like to 
travel anyway.   That's the mystery of karma and jyotish.
 

 By the way, I am now running the major period of Mercury.  Is that interesting 
or what?
 

 

 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, it sounds like a wonderful trip and great that the planets are so 
favorable for it. Vios con Dios (-:

 


 On Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:44 PM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   I just got an invitation to attend the wedding of my cousin's daughter.  
Ordinarily, I wouldn't accept an invitation like this from a far away location. 
 But it just so happens that my jyotish chart indicates that I'll be traveling 
this year due to the exalted Jupiter in conjunction with the lord of the 12th 
house in Cancer, the first house.
 

 Also, the sign of Cancer represents the second house of marriage for my 
cousin's daughter, who is represented by the 12th house in my own chart. These 
indicators look auspicious for everyone involved since the benefic Jupiter is 
exalted while in transit on the same sign for the entire year.
 

 So, I should take advantage of this karmic event to get out of San Francisco 
and visit a foreign country.  While over there, I might as well take a side 
trip to Madrid and a little town called Antequera, which just so happens to be 
the namesake of the town where I grew up in the Philippines.   It should be a 
good trip since I'm expecting to travel with my cousin and her husband.
 

 And, NO.  I don't speak fluent Spanish.  I've taken the language course while 
in high school.  But I'll bring my Spanish dictionary just in case.  Believe it 
or not, I made a previous trip to France, Switzerland, and Italy without 
knowing how to speak their languages.
 

 If all of the planets align properly, I should be in Seville, Spain on 
September 27, 2014 to attend the wedding.
 

 


 















 















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[nablusoss1008]

Bingo ! 
 And to this day not a single scientific research on other forms of meditations 
shows anything coming even close. Maharishi was right, yet again. He did say 
however that the techniques of Yogananda were the best until TM came along but 
was meant for a recluse lifestyle. Would be interesting to know if anyone have 
seen any studies on that system

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is 
fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, 
and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at 
least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my 
opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful 
thinking, every time. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 
 "Anything other than TM is a waste of time."
 

 At best, a very short sighted state of mind.

 








What an egocentric and petty state of mind. 

My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the 
practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they 
may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have 
never been taught to think of it as "the best." 

That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's 
personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and 
*inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, 
until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other 
technique of meditation, they instantly drop into "dick size contest 
consciousness," and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. 

This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate 
spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and 
behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. 

But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, 
petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick 
size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection 
of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a "competitor," not just 
another path or approach. 

I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and 
"TM science" cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never "suited up" and done 
any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying 
to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never 
experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he 
"knows" about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that 
were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I 
was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* 
that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we 
were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's 
parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by 
people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting 
down. 

I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to 
how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their "we're the best" 
dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I wasn't basing my statement so much on wishful thinking as thinking of all the 
millions of folks to do other meditations than TM - kind of hard to think of 
all them being benighted and the relatively few practitioners of TM being at 
the peak of everything because of their meditation choice. Feels too much like 
the real independent churches around here where the members believe that only 
THEY, the members of that particular church are going to heaven while all the 
rest of the people who suppose themselves to be Christians are going to hell.




 From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing 
stress
 


  
I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is 
fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, 
and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at 
least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my 
opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful 
thinking, every time.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 




"Anything other than TM is a waste of time."

At best, a very short sighted state of mind.


What an egocentric and petty state of mind. 

My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the 
practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they 
may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have 
never been taught to think of it as
"the best." 

That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's 
personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and 
*inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, 
until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other 
technique of meditation, they instantly drop into "dick size contest 
consciousness," and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. 

This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate 
spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and 
behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. 

But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, 
petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick 
size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection 
of
Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a "competitor," not just 
another path or approach. 

I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and 
"TM science" cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never "suited up" and done 
any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying 
to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never 
experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he 
"knows" about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that 
were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I 
was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* 
that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we 
were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's 
parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by 
people who
had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting down. 

I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to 
how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their "we're the best" 
dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I've never in my life called you a Mean Girl.




 From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


p'raps you had best get the TM checked - if you are allowing something someone 
says to vex you, that TM can't be working too well then can it?


I keep reminding myself that if the women were doing this to Share we would be 
Mean Girls and picking on her but when you guys do it to Nabby and Steve you're 
just having a "conversation", although you haven't called it that so far.



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I do actually find the article very interesting - my comment is a reaction to 
all the blather that is posted here about how fabulous all the schools are 
gonna be when they talk about TM getting in them.




 From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Excellent article on the quality of education in Finland.
You know what I like BEST about it? The excellence of Finnish schools doesn't 
have ANYTHING to do with TM!!! 


I think even the thickest of us could have guessed that by now! I luv ya MJ but 
you are nothing if not predictable.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I like my predictability. 




 From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Excellent article on the quality of education in Finland.
You know what I like BEST about it? The excellence of Finnish schools doesn't 
have ANYTHING to do with TM!!! 


I think even the thickest of us could have guessed that by now! I luv ya MJ but 
you are nothing if not predictable.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Minions Strike Again

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Because they are minions playing soccer? Like.

http://youtu.be/C058wv48oms
>
On 7/5/2014 8:39 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Minions playing soccer 






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Minions playing soccer 


This feature is not available right now. Please try again later.

View on www.youtube.com 



Preview by Yahoo


What is it about these guys that is so fricking funny?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

the greatest stereotype of this kind is to consider the regional differences in 
speech as accents - they aren't they are all distinct dialects. That is why so 
many of the actors in film do poor Southern speech - they are trying to achieve 
and "accent" when they should be studying the specific dialect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU
  
             
Appalachian English  
View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo  
  



 From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But WhyWait But Why
 
  Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But Why... 
This actress crushes the large variety of hilarious accents in the UK.  
View on waitbutwhy.comPreview by Yahoo   
.
Very good, I'm proper BBC apparently - I can't tell, but Americans always lurve 
my accent.

I wish I could hear your accent in your writing but instead your wit, sense of 
humour and intelligence come through. I always enjoy your posting, Sal.

I'm with Seraphita about Brummie though, when the government announced a high 
speed train linking the Birmingham to the rest of the UK I thought the money 
would be better spent on a huge wall to keep them seperate, lest the contagion 
spreads.


Heh.

Scouse is my next least favourite, for some reason I think of drug dealers and 
violence every time I hear it but it's one of the friendliest places to visit 
in the UK! I blame TV for my stereotypes.

And I'm guilty of feeling like everyone with a southern accent is a hick with a 
fornicating cousin in their background so I guess we're all guilty of 
stereotyping.

According to Bill Bryson in his excellent book Mother Tongue there are 43 
distinct British regional accents and before people started moving about with 
the invention of the railway they could be easily subdivided further.

I love the idea of that much diversity in such a relatively small area.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

p'raps you had best get the TM checked - if you are allowing something 
someone says to vex you, that TM can't be working too well then can it?

>
On 7/5/2014 8:50 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I keep reminding myself that if the women were doing this to Share we 
would be Mean Girls and picking on her but when you guys do it to 
Nabby and Steve you're just having a "conversation", although you 
haven't called it that so far.

>
There's no question that MJ and Barry are mean to Nabby and Steve - just 
like the MGs. So, just for the record: /Barry sucks as a spiritual 
teacher and MJ sucks as an MG. /It's not a conversation, it's supposed 
to be a religious debate.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a 
clue as to how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their 
"we're the best" dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to 
happen.

>
On 7/5/2014 8:52 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>

Oh be quiet.

>
Barry probably can't be quiet because it's a compulsion to post. To 
critique the TMers is his way of proving that he is "the best 
dick-waver" on FFL. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ann if you feel that way then these two are for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnaw1-1fTg&list=PLAQiAhQYrTR0BUjIpcP7M-HJB3cqrGeLN
  
             
Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 3  
View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo  
  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MBzYZVzJCY
  
             
How To Speak Southern With Big Bette!  
View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo  
  
 


 From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But WhyWait But Why
 
  Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But Why... 
This actress crushes the large variety of hilarious accents in the UK.  
View on waitbutwhy.comPreview by Yahoo   
.
Very good, I'm proper BBC apparently - I can't tell, but Americans always lurve 
my accent.

I wish I could hear your accent in your writing but instead your wit, sense of 
humour and intelligence come through. I always enjoy your posting, Sal.

I'm with Seraphita about Brummie though, when the government announced a high 
speed train linking the Birmingham to the rest of the UK I thought the money 
would be better spent on a huge wall to keep them seperate, lest the contagion 
spreads.


Heh.

Scouse is my next least favourite, for some reason I think of drug dealers and 
violence every time I hear it but it's one of the friendliest places to visit 
in the UK! I blame TV for my stereotypes.

And I'm guilty of feeling like everyone with a southern accent is a hick with a 
fornicating cousin in their background so I guess we're all guilty of 
stereotyping.

According to Bill Bryson in his excellent book Mother Tongue there are 43 
distinct British regional accents and before people started moving about with 
the invention of the railway they could be easily subdivided further.

I love the idea of that much diversity in such a relatively small area.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent [1 Attachment]

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Illuminati

On 7/5/2014 9:09 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Every day is the 4^th of July for the illumined.

Independence Day.

It is true.

-Buck in the Dome


"That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which 
is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the 
state in which the thought"I"(the ego) does not rise even in the 
least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent 
Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self 
alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only 
petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the 
real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences 
are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form 
of true knowledge."- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S 
CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One 






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EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... 
 

(EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi 
Part One & Two "That state which transcends speech and thought is 
mouna. That whi...


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Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the
old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the
Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a
transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, 
versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these
anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. 
One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here

based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to
their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over
transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest
transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested
to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the
great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls
of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening
experience,
-Buck

sharelong60 writes:
Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm
sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-:

punditster writes:
On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think
that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is
consciousness.


Addressing the important issues!

The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory -
"/I think, therefore I am./" Descartes was a dualist who
believed that the mind was separate from the body.
However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists
and Hindus had already formulated the notion of
non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that
/consciousness itself was the ultimate reality/ and that
it was /one, not two/. In India they call this the
"/Consciousness Only School/", ascribed to by the Adi
Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra
Lankara:

/"Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature,
it is Self-luminous." (XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off
duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which is the
unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)."/ (VI, 7) Sharma,
p. 112-113



.

[FairfieldLife] On A Clear Day

[Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Johnny Nash - I Can See Clearly Now
http://youtu.be/NkwJ-g0iJ6w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Every day is the 4th of July for the illumined.
 Independence Day.
 It is true. 
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 "That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is 
mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which 
the thought"I"(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self 
(swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone 
is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other 
kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of 
silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective 
differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the 
form of true knowledge."- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: 
Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One 
http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf
 
 
 
http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf
 
 EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... 
http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.WdUTt0r4.dpuf
 (EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part 
One & Two "That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whi...


 
 View on www.adishakti.org 
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 Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum 
and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is 
again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden 
Pond,  versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these 
anti-meditation neganauts displayed here.  One can feel a grave concern for the 
sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of 
clinical evidence to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over 
transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent 
experience of the Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in 
spirituality and human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field 
have mercy on the small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their 
own awakening experience, -Buck 
 sharelong60 writes:
 Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with 
the Buddhists and Hindus (-: 
 punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. 
Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is 
consciousness.
 Addressing the important issues!
 
 The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - "I think, therefore 
I am." Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the 
body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had 
already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the 
notion that consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, 
not two. In India they call this the "Consciousness Only School", ascribed to 
by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: 
 
 "Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous." 
(XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which 
is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)." (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Google

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Google restored links to some news articles that were removed to comply 
with a European Union court privacy ruling days after the deletions were 
criticized by publishers. Go figure.

"Pulling links to articles is "is the equivalent of going into libraries 
and burning books you don’t like," Martin Clarke, publisher of the Daily 
Mail’s MailOnline, said in an e-mailed statement..."

'Google Restores Some Links Pulled on Privacy Law Ruling'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-04/google-restores-some-links-pulled-on-privacy-law-ruling.html
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

They Finnish First!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Excellent article on the quality of education in Finland.
 You know what I like BEST about it? The excellence of Finnish schools doesn't 
have ANYTHING to do with TM!!! 

 

 I think even the thickest of us could have guessed that by now! I luv ya MJ 
but you are nothing if not predictable.
 

 
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 
 "Anything other than TM is a waste of time."
 

 At best, a very short sighted state of mind.

 








What an egocentric and petty state of mind. 

My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the 
practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they 
may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have 
never been taught to think of it as "the best." 

That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's 
personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and 
*inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, 
until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other 
technique of meditation, they instantly drop into "dick size contest 
consciousness," and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. 

This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate 
spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and 
behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. 

But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, 
petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick 
size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection 
of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a "competitor," not just 
another path or approach. 

I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and 
"TM science" cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never "suited up" and done 
any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying 
to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never 
experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he 
"knows" about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that 
were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I 
was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* 
that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we 
were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's 
parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by 
people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting 
down. 

I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to 
how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their "we're the best" 
dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. 
 

 Oh be quiet.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 p'raps you had best get the TM checked - if you are allowing something someone 
says to vex you, that TM can't be working too well then can it?

 

 I keep reminding myself that if the women were doing this to Share we would be 
Mean Girls and picking on her but when you guys do it to Nabby and Steve you're 
just having a "conversation", although you haven't called it that so far.
 

 

 

 




 













 


 












 














 


 












 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I have been doing TM for 38+ years, daily. In my opinion, the rest of what is 
fobbed off as meditation, is just about useless. I accept your disagreement, 
and you can live however you like, obviously. However, having practiced TM at 
least a quarter of a century longer than you have, I will stick with my 
opinion. I prefer informed opinion over hyperbole, ego trips, and wishful 
thinking, every time. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 
 "Anything other than TM is a waste of time."
 

 At best, a very short sighted state of mind.

 








What an egocentric and petty state of mind. 

My point is that such a statement would almost *never* come from the 
practitioners of any other form of meditation. No matter how positively they 
may feel about their practice, or the tradition from which it came, they have 
never been taught to think of it as "the best." 

That, in my experience, is a purely TM phenomenon, and IMO based on Maharishi's 
personal ego problems. He put those ego problems into the form of dogma, and 
*inundated* the people who learned TM with them, over a period of decades, 
until they really *can't* think otherwise. Whenever they hear about any other 
technique of meditation, they instantly drop into "dick size contest 
consciousness," and start parroting the things they heard from Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. 

This is one of the main reasons that TM is not looked upon as a legitimate 
spiritual tradition in the larger spiritual marketplace. This mindset and 
behavior is -- rightfully -- looked upon as low-vibe and petty. 

But I guess the TM cult apologists here have no problem *being* low-vibe, 
petty, and attempting to reduce any mention of any other technique into a dick 
size contest. *Their* mindset, after decades of indoctrination, is a reflection 
of Maharishi's. Every other technique is considered a "competitor," not just 
another path or approach. 

I mentioned this with regard to Lawson because of all of the TM apologists and 
"TM science" cheerleaders here (he, after all, has never "suited up" and done 
any of the research he obsesses on himself), he is the most egregious at trying 
to put down any other research and any other technique. And he's never 
experienced ANY of the other techniques he's putting down. The only things he 
"knows" about any of these other techniques or traditions come from things that 
were told to him by Maharishi and the TM teachers he trained to parrot them. I 
was *there* in the TTC classes, and Lawson wasn't, so he really doesn't *get* 
that when he spouts this crap I recognize it as being word for word what we 
were taught to teach fools like him. He doesn't even *realize* that he's 
parroting dogma that's been taught to him, almost all of it taught to him by 
people who had *zero* experience with any of the techniques they were putting 
down. 

I would think that after a few decades of this, TMers would catch a clue as to 
how badly they are embarrassing themselves by waving their "we're the best" 
dicks around the way they do. But it never seems to happen. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Education in Finland

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Excellent article on the quality of education in Finland.
 You know what I like BEST about it? The excellence of Finnish schools doesn't 
have ANYTHING to do with TM!!! 

 

 I think even the thickest of us could have guessed that by now! I luv ya MJ 
but you are nothing if not predictable.
 

 
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
 


 

[FairfieldLife] Minions Strike Again

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Minions playing soccer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48oms&feature=kp

 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C058wv48oms&feature=kp 
 
 Minions playing soccer 
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available right now. Please try again later. 
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

 What is it about these guys that is so fricking funny?

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Salyavin or anyone who wants a bit of a laugh

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But WhyWait But Why 
http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html
 
 
 http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html
 
 Amazing Run-Through of 17 British Accents | Wait But Why... 
http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html This actress 
crushes the large variety of hilarious accents in the UK.


 
 View on waitbutwhy.com 
http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/07/amazing-run-17-british-accents.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 .
 Very good, I'm proper BBC apparently - I can't tell, but Americans always 
lurve my accent.
 

 I wish I could hear your accent in your writing but instead your wit, sense of 
humour and intelligence come through. I always enjoy your posting, Sal.
 

 I'm with Seraphita about Brummie though, when the government announced a high 
speed train linking the Birmingham to the rest of the UK I thought the money 
would be better spent on a huge wall to keep them seperate, lest the contagion 
spreads.

 

 Heh.
 

 Scouse is my next least favourite, for some reason I think of drug dealers and 
violence every time I hear it but it's one of the friendliest places to visit 
in the UK! I blame TV for my stereotypes.
 

 And I'm guilty of feeling like everyone with a southern accent is a hick with 
a fornicating cousin in their background so I guess we're all guilty of 
stereotyping.
 

 According to Bill Bryson in his excellent book Mother Tongue there are 43 
distinct British regional accents and before people started moving about with 
the invention of the railway they could be easily subdivided further.
 

 I love the idea of that much diversity in such a relatively small area.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Gomâya Aham Gomâya Swaha

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

"Sometimes the actual mark may appear to be some sort of messy smear 
where a simile of three lines appear to be. The vertical 'U-shaped' 
marks of devotional service vary in a large variety, but they must never 
have any lower 'stem' to the 'U' such as to make it a 'Y'. It may have a 
series of marks inside the U, and a dot below the U, as also the ash 
marks may also have marks centered within it, and a dot below it."


Source on request.
>
On 7/4/2014 7:48 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

On 7/4/2014 7:01 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Sir Richard Head a.k.a. Pudit Çur a.k.a. MahaGomâya claims he's a 
tantrika. Gosh ... what will come next?


Great to know he applies all these tilaks everyday before he leaves home.
No doubt everyone at the college is impressed by such ardor.

Got gomâya?


>
Also for the yogis who apply 'ash', who usually claim to be serving a 
delineation of a Rudra attitude, that those marks which appear as 
three lines of white ash can never be 'straight across the forehead 
horizontally'. If the ash mark appears as three equal width lines, 
applied with open three fingers, then the sadhu is probably an 
impostor, and should be ignored.

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 7:16 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Hey Michael, I must not be following exactly what is going on with 
these studies.  But, let me say that your ability to make a negtive 
interpretation of any study or event with regards to TM and the TMO is 
well documented.



Jim saying "Anything other than TM is a waste of time", is just his 
opinion, isn't it, as a long time practitioner.


If you are using this as a basis for your assertions that the TMO 
asserts the TM "is the only true spiritual path", you may need to try 
again.


But then again, I am talking to someone who scours the internet for 
negative reviews about TM, and if he found something in a high school 
newspaper talking about it, he'd bring if forward as some monumental 
discovery. (-:

>
It's called /*confirmation*/*/bias/*, an old trick used on newsgroups in 
the past. Most people on Usenet quit using this form of debate after 
Judy pointed out their mistakes, but some newbies still use it to 
discredit their debating opponents. Go figure.


"Confirmation bias is the tendency of people to favor information that 
confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. people display this bias when they 
gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in 
a biased way."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 7/5/2014 5:40 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique,
than you are, to prove it isn't.


>
The question is, why is Barry so desperate to prove that TM isn't
the most effective meditation technique for most people? Some guys
likeBarry really want to be spiritual teachers and they try to be
one, but they suck at it, and they know it. They just don't have
the personal charisma or personality. The next best thing to being
a spiritual teacher is to be a critic or a skeptic - /sometimes
they suck at that too/. Case in point.
>


I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it
for years. None of them would've even asked about other
techniques, as none of them shopped at the spiritual supermarket,
as some here do.


I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there
is no comparison to anything else - like telling someone about
the options for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership.
They are happy with their choice, and I am glad I never had to
explain the lame-ness of either mindfulness or concentration
techniques, both of which, imo, suck elephant balls, compared to
TM. And yes, there is an email back there, somewhere, which
outlines my *short-lived* experiences with other meditation
techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

*From:* "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"




Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2
of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally
active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed
that way for the rest of the study.

People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they
report even the most trivial findings as though they were important.


TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that
they'll diss any study that involves a "competing" meditation
technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-)

ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the
indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi
and his parrot-teachers. >From Day One of their exposure to TM
they've been told that it's "the best," at the same time that
they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind
of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists.

You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of
meditation wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to
TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to
see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial
effect. It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so petty as to feel
the need to constantly put down other techniques and the
researchers who study them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 6:31 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you.

>
You seem to be distracted this morning - stressed out. It looks like you 
are starting to wake up to the reality of your own bleak situation. 
/Paying your rent is more important than Girish selling MUM and the 
Domes/. Wake up and sell the coffee! Post something we don't know that 
is interesting. Try to calm down. Try to figure it out. Good luck.


P.S. Has anyone else noticed how when MJ gets all stressed out, all his 
messages begin with RE: and begin and end on one single line?

>



*From:* "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent

"That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which 
is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the 
state in which the thought"I"(the ego) does not rise even in the 
least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent 
Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self 
alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only 
petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the 
real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences 
are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form 
of true knowledge."- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S 
CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One 





image 
 




EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... 
 

(EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi 
Part One & Two "That state which transcends speech and thought is 
mouna. That whi...


View on www.adishakti.org 
 



Preview by Yahoo



Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the
old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the
Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a
transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, 
versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these
anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. 
One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here

based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to
their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over
transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest
transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested
to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the
great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls
of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening
experience,
-Buck

sharelong60 writes:
Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm
sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-:

punditster writes:
On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that
whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness.


Addressing the important issues!

The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - "/I
think, therefore I am./" Descartes was a dualist who believed
that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before
Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already
formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the
Upanishads - the notion that /consciousness itself was the
ultimate reality/ and that it was /one, not two/. In India
they call this the "/Consciousness Only School/", ascribed to
by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana
Sutra Lankara:

/"Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is
Self-luminous." (XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off duality, he
directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying
phenomena (dharmadatu)."/ (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113



.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 6:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Differentiating TM from all other spiritual paths, techniques and 
methods was ALWAYS done (and still is) and was/is the fundamental 
basis upon which Marshy's ego and empire was built. 

>
You guys need to stop making up bullshit. Everyone meditates and thinks 
things over every day; and we are all transcending all the time, even 
without a technique. Meditation means to think things over. You don't 
know any /special techniques/ any more than we do.


There is no "TM" - apparently you've been in a trance-induction state, 
by your own admission - "TM" is just an acronym made up to facilitate 
communication between teachers to indicate /a meditation that is 
transcendental/.


Everyone knows that /meditation isn't the cause of enlightenment/ - 
meditation just provides the ideal opportunity for the transcending.


/"Any technique that provides the opportunity for transcending could be 
termed transcendental meditation."/ - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Like.

"That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, 
is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state 
in which the thought"I"(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone 
is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is 
God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this 
ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial 
knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect 
knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are 
mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge."- 
Ramana Maharshi


http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm
>

>
On 7/5/2014 6:24 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


"That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which 
is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the 
state in which the thought"I"(the ego) does not rise even in the 
least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent 
Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva (individual soul). Self 
alone is this ancient world. All other kinds of knowledge are only 
petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of silence alone is the 
real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences 
are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form 
of true knowledge."- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S 
CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One 






image 
 




EDITOR'S CHOICE: Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sr... 
 

(EC links to Homepage) Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi 
Part One & Two "That state which transcends speech and thought is 
mouna. That whi...


View on www.adishakti.org 
 



Preview by Yahoo



Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the
old dictum and spiritual saying from way back looking to the
Unified Field. That truth is again brought forward in a
transcendentalism of “a life well lived” at Walden Pond, 
versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these
anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. 
One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our neganauts here

based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence to
their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over
transcending meditation and what clearly is the manifest
transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others so attested
to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential. May the
great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls
of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening
experience,
-Buck

sharelong60 writes:
Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm
sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-:

punditster writes:
On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that
whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness.


Addressing the important issues!

The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - "/I
think, therefore I am./" Descartes was a dualist who believed
that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before
Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already
formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the
Upanishads - the notion that /consciousness itself was the
ultimate reality/ and that it was /one, not two/. In India
they call this the "/Consciousness Only School/", ascribed to
by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana
Sutra Lankara:

/"Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is
Self-luminous." (XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off duality, he
directly perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying
phenomena (dharmadatu)."/ (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113



.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

*From:* "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 



Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of 
the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active 
amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for 
the rest of the study.


People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report 
even the most trivial findings as though they were important.


On 7/5/2014 1:23 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll 
diss any study that involves a "competing" meditation technique, no 
matter how trivial they claim it is. :-)

>
Has anyone else out there noticed that Barry, the science article 
writer, has never since 1995, ever cited a single scientific study on 
the effects of meditation, either pro or con? I wonder if Barry has ever 
actually read any scientific studies on meditation or mindfulness. Go 
figure.

>


ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the 
indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been 
told that it's "the best," at the same time that they were told that 
all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates 
fanatics and cultists, not scientists.


You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of 
meditation wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to TM, 
or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see 
whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. 
It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so petty as to feel the need to 
constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hey Michael, I must not be following exactly what is going on with these 
studies.  But, let me say that your ability to make a negtive interpretation of 
any study or event with regards to TM and the TMO is well documented.   
 Jim saying "Anything other than TM is a waste of time", is just his opinion, 
isn't it, as a long time practitioner.
 

 If you are using this as a basis for your assertions that the TMO asserts the 
TM "is the only true spiritual path", you may need to try again.
 

 But then again, I am talking to someone who scours the internet for negative 
reviews about TM, and if he found something in a high school newspaper talking 
about it, he'd bring if forward as some monumental discovery. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 7/5/2014 5:40 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than you 
are, to prove it isn't.

 >
 The question is, why is Barry so desperate to prove that TM isn't the most 
effective meditation technique for most people? Some guys likeBarry really want 
to be spiritual teachers and they try to be one, but they suck at it, and they 
know it. They just don't have the personal charisma or personality. The next 
best thing to being a spiritual teacher is to be a critic or a skeptic - 
sometimes they suck at that too. Case in point.
 >
 I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it for years. 
None of them would've even asked about other techniques, as none of them 
shopped at the spiritual supermarket, as some here do. 
 

 I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no 
comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options for 
walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy with their 
choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness of either 
mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, suck elephant 
balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back there, somewhere, which 
outlines my *short-lived* experiences with other meditation techniques. 
Anything other than TM is a waste of time.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:LEnglish5@...[FairfieldLife] 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 
subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset 
after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study.
 

 People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the 
most trivial findings as though they were important.
 

 





 TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll diss any 
study that involves a "competing" meditation technique, no matter how trivial 
they claim it is. :-)
 
 ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination 
given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From 
Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's "the best," at the 
same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind 
of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists.
 
 You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation 
wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to TM, or to anything else. 
They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're 
studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so 
petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the 
researchers who study them. 
 
 
 
 










 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 5:58 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Ah,but according to Willy Tex's understudy, Stevie, TM isn't touted as 
the one true path.

>
You need to stop the trolling and the fibbing. There is no "one true 
path" and MMY has nothing to do with your stress or transcending, or 
not. Try following emptybill's advice: stop making shit up.

>



*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Saturday, July 5, 2014 2:23 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect 
on reducing stress


*From:* "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 



Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of 
the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active 
amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for 
the rest of the study.


People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report 
even the most trivial findings as though they were important.



TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll 
diss any study that involves a "competing" meditation technique, no 
matter how trivial they claim it is. :-)


ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the 
indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been 
told that it's "the best," at the same time that they were told that 
all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates 
fanatics and cultists, not scientists.


You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of 
meditation wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to TM, 
or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see 
whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. 
It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so petty as to feel the need to 
constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 5:56 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


"Anything other than TM is a waste of time."

At best, a very short sighted state of mind.

>
You sound stressed-out by what Jim posted - why do you feel so desperate 
to prove your point? You and Barry spent what, almost half of your adult 
life trying to find a way to un-stress and you guys still get upset over 
a news article posted on the internet. Something tells me you're not 
telling your full story here. Why do you sound so stressed out? Go figure.

>



*From:* "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, July 5, 2014 6:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect 
on reducing stress


No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than 
you are, to prove it isn't. I've gotten four people to start TM, who 
have now been doing it for years. None of them would've even asked 
about other techniques, as none of them shopped at the spiritual 
supermarket, as some here do.


I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no 
comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options 
for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy 
with their choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness 
of either mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, 
suck elephant balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back 
there, somewhere, which outlines my *short-lived* experiences with 
other meditation techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*From:* "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 

Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of 
the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active 
amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for 
the rest of the study.


People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report 
even the most trivial findings as though they were important.



TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll 
diss any study that involves a "competing" meditation technique, no 
matter how trivial they claim it is. :-)


ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the 
indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been 
told that it's "the best," at the same time that they were told that 
all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates 
fanatics and cultists, not scientists.


You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of 
meditation wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to TM, 
or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see 
whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. 
It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so petty as to feel the need to 
constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Independence Day Everyone!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

John, if I remember correctly that would put exalted Jupiter in the 8th house 
for the US. Sort of trims that exaltation a little I guess.



On Friday, July 4, 2014 10:09 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  
Share,

Even though Jupiter is transiting his exaltation sign in Cancer, the planet is 
transiting the birth-placement of Rahu and Mercury.  According to Nandi Nadi 
jyotish system, this means that the US will be experiencing some fear and 
challenges due obviously to the situation in Iraq.  For now, the president and 
his generals are not convinced that American troops should get involved in the 
fighting, unless the IS insurgents threaten the US homeland.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


John, it would be fun to see the US gochara chart for the coming year. 


On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:05 PM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:



 
Lest we Americans forget, today is July 4th, the day to commemorate the birth 
of this nation.

This country was and is an experiment by the Founding Fathers to establish a 
perfect government.  They did so by dividing the power of the government 
between the three branches of government: the executive, legislative and 
judicial.  Ordinarily, this power would have been held by the king, the supreme 
ruler.

The obvious advantage to this system is to eliminate the power of government 
from being wielded by a single individual.  The disadvantage is very apparent 
as well when we see the government get bogged down by political maneuvers 
between the president and certain members of the legislative branch.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 5:40 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than 
you are, to prove it isn't.



>
The question is, why is Barry so desperate to prove that TM isn't the 
most effective meditation technique for most people? Some guys likeBarry 
really want to be spiritual teachers and they try to be one, but they 
suck at it, and they know it. They just don't have the personal charisma 
or personality. The next best thing to being a spiritual teacher is to 
be a critic or a skeptic - /sometimes they suck at that too/. Case in point.

>


I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it for 
years. None of them would've even asked about other techniques, as 
none of them shopped at the spiritual supermarket, as some here do.



I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no 
comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options 
for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy 
with their choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness 
of either mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, 
suck elephant balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back 
there, somewhere, which outlines my *short-lived* experiences with 
other meditation techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*From:* "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 

Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of 
the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active 
amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for 
the rest of the study.


People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report 
even the most trivial findings as though they were important.



TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll 
diss any study that involves a "competing" meditation technique, no 
matter how trivial they claim it is. :-)


ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the 
indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and 
his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been 
told that it's "the best," at the same time that they were told that 
all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates 
fanatics and cultists, not scientists.


You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of 
meditation wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to TM, 
or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see 
whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. 
It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so petty as to feel the need to 
constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

John, I just know maybe 50% of the knowledge of jyotish that I've picked up 
here and there. But I'll guess that your birthday is coming up, Sun in cancer. 



On Friday, July 4, 2014 10:16 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  
Share,

I'm running the subdasa of the Moon in the major period of Mercury.  You might 
be able to guess my birthday with that information. :)



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


John, that is wonderful support of nature, for all involved. Hmmm, if your 
natal Merc is in Cancer, then either you just had a birthday or have one coming 
up, as Merc is never far from the Sun. What subdasa are you running?



On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:46 PM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:



 
Share,

I actually wanted to travel to Spain before this invitation came along.  So, 
there appears to be a synchronicity of events involved here.  Michelle, my 
cousin's daughter, will be happy for her wedding and I'll be happy for 
attending it and for the opportunity to travel.

Also, she was in Paris when I went there in 2003.  But I didn't know at that 
time that she was there too.  So, our paths seem to cross quite often.  In my 
chart, she appears to be represented by Mercury which is placed in my first 
house. 

It's actually fascinating to see how these events are unfolding.  From what I 
can see, she is making me travel to see her.  And, I don't mind since I like to 
travel anyway.   That's the mystery of karma and jyotish.

By the way, I am now
running the major period of Mercury.  Is that interesting or what?



 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


John, it sounds like a wonderful trip and great that the planets are so 
favorable for it. Vios con Dios (-:



On Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:44 PM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:



 
I just got an invitation to attend the wedding of my cousin's daughter.  
Ordinarily, I wouldn't accept an invitation like this from a far away location. 
 But it just so happens that my jyotish chart indicates that I'll be traveling 
this year due to the exalted Jupiter in conjunction with the lord of the 12th 
house in Cancer, the first house.

Also, the sign of Cancer represents the second house of marriage for my 
cousin's daughter, who is represented by the 12th house in my own chart. These 
indicators look auspicious for everyone involved since the benefic Jupiter is 
exalted while in transit on the same sign for the entire year.

So, I should take advantage of this karmic event to get out of San Francisco 
and visit a foreign country.  While over there, I might as well take a side 
trip to Madrid and a little town
called Antequera, which just so happens to be the namesake of the town where I 
grew up in the Philippines.   It should be a good trip since I'm expecting to 
travel with my cousin and her husband.

And, NO.  I don't speak fluent Spanish.  I've taken the language course while 
in high school.  But I'll bring my Spanish dictionary just in case.  Believe it 
or not, I made a previous trip to France, Switzerland, and Italy without 
knowing how to speak their languages.

If all of the planets align properly, I should be in Seville, Spain on 
September 27, 2014 to attend the wedding.

Re: [FairfieldLife] YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, We already know that meditation reduces stress. What  we want to 
know is why some of the other informants on FFL fibbed to us and told us 
that meditation didn't work - on them. Thanks.


'Stressed at work? Meditating really does work - and you'll see a 
difference in just three days, say researchers'

Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2681138/Stressed-work-Meditating-really-does-work-youll-difference-three-days-say-researchers.html

>
On 7/4/2014 8:39 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


(YAS = Yet Another Study). From the dailymail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2681138/Stressed-work-Meditating-really-does-work-youll-difference-three-days-say-researchers.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ancient nuclear reactors

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 2:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



2 billion years ago! That means it couldn't possible have anything to 
do with the "vedic" myths and the Indus valley phenomenon we discussed 
earlier.

>
Yes. I already covered this in another thread - it was probably a 
nuclear comet. Nuclear weapons weren't invented until 1945. Why do you 
keep repeating yourself? We already know the Dravidians didn't invent 
nuclear reactors 2 billion years ago. Thanks.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you. 




 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:24 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing the Great Transcendent
 


  
"That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is 
mouna. How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which 
the thought"I"(the ego) does not rise even in the least, alone is Self 
(swarupa) which is silence (mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone 
is the jiva (individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. All other 
kinds of knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; the experience of 
silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective 
differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the 
form of true knowledge."- Sri Ramana Maharshi - See more at: EDITOR'S CHOICE: 
Self-Atma: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Part One
 
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Yep and even before Descartes in the
West, “Know thy Self” is the old dictum and spiritual saying from way back 
looking to the Unified Field.
That truth is again brought forward in a transcendentalism of  “a life well 
lived” at Walden Pond, 
versus this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these
anti-meditation neganauts displayed here. 
One can feel a grave
concern for the sanity of our neganauts here based on what evidently
is a growing body of clinical evidence to their negative obsessions
with and their outbursts over transcending meditation and what
clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the Unified Field in others 
so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and human potential.
May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the small souls of 
our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening experience,
-Buck

sharelong60 writes:

Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with 
the Buddhists and Hindus (-:

punditster writes:
On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me
to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is
consciousness.
>>Addressing the important issues!
>>
>>The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - "I
think, therefore I am." Descartes was a dualist who believed
that the mind was separate from the body. However, long before Rene
Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had already formulated the
notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the notion that 
consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, not two. In 
India they call this the "Consciousness
Only School", ascribed to by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga.
According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: 
>>
>>"Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is
Self-luminous." (XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off duality, he directly
perceives the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena
(dharmadatu)." (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113
>>
>>
>> 
>> .