date:20150720

[FairfieldLife] All I Can Say Is, "It's About Time"

2015-07-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/cold-war-thaw-continues-as-cuba-hoists-flag-in-washington-31391474.html
 
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/cold-war-thaw-continues-as-cuba-hoists-flag-in-washington-31391474.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

2015-07-20 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

No, take away the guns from the criminals. Then, you won't have to take anyone 
else's guns nor will they have to use them to defend themselves. Taking away 
law abiding citizen's guns only makes them vulnerable targets. Of course, you 
can't expect the criminally minded to surrender their guns...ever. 

  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talkhost who is a gun owner and a liberal.  
She stands by carrying agun and how it may have saved her life once.  So she 
support thesecond amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am also 
veryliberal.

There are some issue neither right nor left.  It just appears thatsome people 
believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't. The problem is probably 
the economy spiraling out of country andthe economic disparity it creates.  It 
is making many people onthe planet crazy.  Solve that instead.
Take away the guns first then solve it. Otherwise people shoot first and ask 
questions later.

On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed WLeed3@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:

-OriginalMessage-
From: Richard Huey 
To: sarah smith ; wleed3; Lou Chandler 
Huey
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...

-- Forwarded message -- 
From: Craig L Hope
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM 
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
To: Bob Jackson < rjackson@...>

-- Forwarded message -- 
From: AnneSimonetti 
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM 
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
To: 
craiglhope@...,nadeoui@...,bsevarino@...,gjsimonetti@...,saritaanderson@...,pet_lvrs_for_u@...

 Something to think about. --Original Message--
From: jano...@aol.com
Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: Story of mygun...
To: 
adsi...@verizon.net,pandragi...@yahoo.com,riviera...@aol.com,blue65lan...@yahoo.com,dlbroll...@gmail.com,ginny_jo...@verizon.net,

dempse...@gmail.com,carldemp...@gmail.com,jilldemp...@gmail.com,bobbiho...@msn.com,hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com,ilikefoo...@hotmail.com

    -Original Message- 
From: Richard gaffneyimrg...@gmail.com>
To: undisclosed-recipients:; 
Sent: Thu, Jul9, 2015 12:29 pm 
Subject: Fwd: Fw:Fwd: Story of my gun... 

     ... 

  Thestory of mygun Today  I swung myfront doorwide open andplaced my 
Remington.30-06
 right in the doorway.  I left 6cartridgesbeside it,then left italone
 and went about my business. 
 While I was gone, the mailmandelivered mymail, the neighborboy across
 the street mowed the yard, a girlwalked her dogdown thestreet andquite
 a few cars stopped at the stop signnear the frontof my house. 
 After about an hour, I checked onthe gun.  Itwas stillsitting there,
 right where I had left it.  Ithadn't moveditselfoutside.  Itcertainly
 hadn't killed anyone, even with thenumerousopportunitiesit hadpresented
 to do so.  
 In fact, it hadn't even loadeditself.  Wellyou canimagine mysurprise,
 with all the hype by the Left andthe Mediaabout howdangerous gunsare
 and how they kill people.  Eitherthe media iswrong or Ihave in my
 possession, the laziest gun in the world. 
 The United States is 3rd in Murdersthroughout theWorld.  But ifyou take
 out just 4 cities: Chicago,Detroit,Washington DCand New Orleans,the
 United States is 4th from thebottom, in theentire world,for Murders. 
 These 4 Cities also have thetoughest GunControl Lawsin the U.S. ALL 4
 of these cities are controlled byDemocrats.  Itwould beabsurd to draw
 any conclusions from this data -right?   Well,I'm off tocheck on myspoons.  
Ihear they'remaking peoplefat.

-- 
 Richard M. Huey, P.E. Sycamore Mechanical 222Sycamore Lane Phoenixville,PA 
19460 610-935-9001   Cell:484-888-3902

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 


 Salyavin,
 

 Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of 
the information from the world through the five senses.  Knowing a Divine Being 
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence 
through the information from the senses.  Enlightenment occurs when the mind 
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
 

 Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as 
some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it 
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it 
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.
 

 An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.  
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
 

 How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who 
are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.
 

 No one alive can build that machine. Machines are not living cells and they 
are not sentient beings and never will be no matter how many "Terminator" 
movies you watch.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 

 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 


 Ann,
 

 Please, read my reply to Salyavin reply regarding the difference between 
believing and knowing.  IMO, the human brain with its body is capable of 
knowing the Divine Being.  The obstacle to this knowledge is the human ego, 
which often thinks that it is the god and nothing else is above it.  Hence, we 
have the story of disobedience on the part of Adam and Eve in the Garden of 
Eden.
 

 However, when enlightenment occurs in a human being, the human mind and It are 
one residing in the human body.  As such, the fortunate human being can truly 
live heaven here on earth.  But, as we can see, humans are still functioning at 
the gross level of the ego which is the cause of wars, violence, greed and 
poverty.  Suffice is it to say that it's not far above animal existence.
 

 I often experience it to be far below animal experience and I mean this very 
sincerely.
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 First, I would have to define what it is to "know" God. Have I realized 
he/she/it exists? Have I become enlightened? Have I seen he/she/it? Do I live 
the "reality" of God every moment? Did I realize him/her/it for a while and 
later lost that? How do I define "artificial intelligence" beyond the circuits 
and electronics of it? I don't, I can't understand what another's experience 
is, let alone a circuit board's.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 

But labeling something a god is surely belief?
 

 Using any label for just about anything is based on belief. The desire/impetus 
to label is based on belief. 
 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Story of my gun...

2015-07-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Huey 
 To: sarah smith ; wleed3 ; Lou Chandler Huey 

 Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...
 
 
 -- Forwarded message -- 
 From: Craig L Hope mailto:craiglhope@...> 
 Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM 
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 To: Bob Jackson < rjackson@... mailto:rjackson@...> 


 
 -- Forwarded message -- 
 From: Anne Simonetti mailto:adsimon@...> 
 Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM 
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 To: craiglhope@... mailto:craiglhope@..., nadeoui@... mailto:nadeoui@..., 
bsevarino@... mailto:bsevarino@..., gjsimonetti@... mailto:gjsimonetti@..., 
saritaanderson@... mailto:saritaanderson@..., pet_lvrs_for_u@... 
mailto:pet_lvrs_for_u@... 


  Something to think about.
  
 
 --Original Message--
 
 From: jano...@aol.com
 Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM
 Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun...
 To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, 
blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, 
dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, 
bobbiho...@msn.com, hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com
   
  
  
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com mailto:imrgaff@...> 
 To: undisclosed-recipients:; 
 Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm 
 Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun... 

 

 
 
  
 
 
 
  
 


 
  
 
   
  
  
 ... 

  


  
  

 The story of my gun 
   



 Today   I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06 
 right in the doorway.  I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone 
 and went about my business. 


   



 
 While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across 
 the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite 
 a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house. 


   



 
 After about an hour, I checked on the gun.  It was still sitting there, 
 right where I had left it.  It hadn't moved itself outside.  It certainly 
 hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented 
 to do so. 


   



 
 In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself.  Well you can imagine my surprise, 
 with all the hype by the Left and the Media about how dangerous guns are 
 and how they kill people.  Either the media is wrong or I have in my 
 possession, the laziest gun in the  world. 


   



 
 The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World.  But if you take 
 out just 4 cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the 
 United States is 4th from the bottom, in the entire world, for Murders. 


   



 
 These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the U.S.  ALL 4 
 of these cities are controlled by Democrats.  It would be absurd to draw 
 any conclusions from this data - right? 


   



   


   



 Well, I'm off to check on my spoons.  I hear they're making people fat. 
 
 
 This is silliness. Of course guns alone don't kill people so it is the people 
who are responsible. If it was simply a gun who/which was to blame the solution 
would be as simple as making sure it never had access to its own ammunition. As 
it is we better look to ourselves as gun owners because we only have our 
trigger happiness to blame. Sorry, no one is off the hook here, in fact, it 
puts more onus on the human being. So, the point of this humorous little ditty 
is?
  

  

  






  
  








  
  







  



  




 




















 














 
 -- 
 Richard M. Huey, P.E.
 Sycamore Mechanical
 222 Sycamore Lane
 Phoenixville, PA 19460
 610-935-9001
  
 Cell: 484-888-3902

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

2015-07-20 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Crime is on the rise though they try to hide like they do unemployment 
and inflation.  I've even heard they're arresting more senior citizen 
bank robbers.  Why?  Because people are hurting because of the economy 
and they often have no other way out.


On 07/20/2015 05:12 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I think you misunderstood me. I sure as hell don't think the economy 
is humming along just fine. I was saying that improving the economy 
isn't going to make people feel safe without guns. I think there is an 
element  in society that is always going to cause trouble, on a 
criminal level, and that element is getting bigger and bolder. 
Disarming the general population will only embolden them more. You 
know the old saying, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.



*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:02 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

Well you must be living in the "good times" then.  But you probably 
have neighbors who would disagree with your assessment and it has 
nothing to do with entitlements.  You complain about foreigners coming 
in and they want to replace people companies think that are too 
expensive with cheaper foreign workers.  They don't even give US 
workers a chance to negotiate.


You have to know something about economics to evaluate this properly 
and I even read and listen to conservatives who know the economy is 
failing.  And they are more in a panic about it than "pseudo liberals" 
(liberals in name only) who believe the good times are here.  Ah!  You 
must be a closet liberal, Mike!


Last week one of the local talk hosts had a local county assessor on 
who declared the recession over so they would be taking off the 
adjustments made over the last few years so people wouldn't lose their 
homes.  I don't know what he was smoking but the recession is far from 
over and a bigger one on the horizon.


On 07/20/2015 11:48 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



I'm not so sure it's the economic disparity we see either. We had a 
great depression in the thirties, far worse than anything we've ever 
had to live through and didn't have a spiraling crime rate. I think 
the problem lies with character issues. We, baby boomers and beyond, 
are spoiled generations that have an entitlement personality. We are 
*owed* something we haven't deserved or worked for because everybody 
else has *it* and I want mine *now* damn-it and if you won't give it 
to me, I'll just take it!



*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
 [FairfieldLife]" 
 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


*Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 11:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a 
liberal.  She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her 
life once.  So she support the second amendment as do I though I 
don't own a gun but am also very liberal.


There are some issue neither right nor left. It just appears that 
some people believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't.  
The problem is probably the economy spiraling out of country and the 
economic disparity it creates.  It is making many people on the 
planet crazy. Solve that instead.


On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed wle...@aol.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:







-Original Message-
From: Richard Huey  
To: sarah smith  
; wleed3  
; Lou Chandler Huey 
 

Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...


-- Forwarded message --
From: *Craig L Hope* >

Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...
To: Bob Jackson < rjack...@shannondell.com 
>




-- Forwarded message --
From: *Anne Simonetti* >

Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...
To: craiglh...@gmail.com , 
nade...@yahoo.com , bsevar...@msn.com 
, gjsimone...@verizon.net 
, saritaander...@hotmail.com 
, pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com 




 Something to think about.
--Original Message--

From: jano...@aol.com
Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun...
To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

2015-07-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a liberal. 
 She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her life once.  So she 
support the second amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am also very 
liberal.
 
 There are some issue neither right nor left.  It just appears that some people 
believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't.  The problem is probably 
the economy spiraling out of country and the economic disparity it creates.  It 
is making many people on the planet crazy.  Solve that instead.
 

 Take away the guns first then solve it. Otherwise people shoot first and ask 
questions later.
 
 On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed WLeed3@... mailto:WLeed3@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Huey  mailto:rmhuey@...
 To: sarah smith  mailto:slsmith211@...; wleed3  
mailto:wleed3@...; Lou Chandler Huey  
mailto:louchandlerresults@...
 Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...
 
 
 -- Forwarded message -- 
 From: Craig L Hope mailto:craiglhope@...> 
 Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM 
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 To: Bob Jackson < rjackson@... mailto:rjackson@...>
 
 
 
 -- Forwarded message -- 
 From: Anne Simonetti mailto:adsimon@...> 
 Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM 
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 To: craiglhope@... mailto:craiglhope@..., nadeoui@... mailto:nadeoui@..., 
bsevarino@... mailto:bsevarino@..., gjsimonetti@... mailto:gjsimonetti@..., 
saritaanderson@... mailto:saritaanderson@..., pet_lvrs_for_u@... 
mailto:pet_lvrs_for_u@... 
 
 
  Something to think about.
  
 --Original Message--
 
 From: jano...@aol.com
 Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM
 Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun...
 To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, 
blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, 
dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, 
bobbiho...@msn.com, hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com
   
  
  
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com mailto:imrgaff@...>
 To: undisclosed-recipients:; 
 Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm 
 Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 
 

 
 
  
 
 
  
 


 
  
 
   
  
  
 ... 

  


  
  

 The story of my gun 
   



 Today   I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06 
 right in the doorway.  I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone 
 and went about my business. 


   



 
 While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across 
 the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite 
 a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house. 


   



 
 After about an hour, I checked on the gun.  It was still sitting there, 
 right where I had left it.  It hadn't moved itself outside.  It certainly 
 hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented 
 to do so. 


   



 
 In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself.  Well you can imagine my surprise, 
 with all the hype by the Left and the Media about how dangerous guns are 
 and how they kill people.  Either the media is wrong or I have in my 
 possession, the laziest gun in the  world. 


   



 
 The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World.  But if you take 
 out just 4 cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the 
 United States is 4th from the bottom, in the entire world, for Murders. 


   



 
 These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the U.S.  ALL 4 
 of these cities are controlled by Democrats.  It would be absurd to draw 
 any conclusions from this data - right? 


   



   


   



 Well, I'm off to check on my spoons.  I hear they're making people fat. 
 
 
  

  

  






  
  








  
  







  



  








 
 






 
 






 
 






 


 


 
 
 
 -- 
 Richard M. Huey, P.E.
 Sycamore Mechanical
 222 Sycamore Lane
 Phoenixville, PA 19460
 610-935-9001
  
 Cell: 484-888-3902

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

2015-07-20 Thread ultrarishi

Rick, thanks for the forum.  It is one of the gifts of the internet that made 
the internet personally useful in ways I never imagined possible.  It's nice to 
connect with folks about TM and a million other subjects without having to 
necessarily be politically correct at local center.  We have been able to 
express our concerns without that passive agressive behavior so many governors 
and teachers engage in.  I firmly believe that being critical in a constructive 
manner is "not going negative".

All the best.

[FairfieldLife] Brits win latest war against Krauts

2015-07-20 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

All is fair in love and war. New investigation finds British tourists are 
waking early to beat their German rivals to the best spots by the pool.

 

 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11752433/Britons-winning-war-of-beach-towels-against-Germans.html
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11752433/Britons-winning-war-of-beach-towels-against-Germans.html

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

2015-07-20 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I think you misunderstood me. I sure as hell don't think the economy is humming 
along just fine. I was saying that improving the economy isn't going to make 
people feel safe without guns. I think there is an element  in society that is 
always going to cause trouble, on a criminal level, and that element is getting 
bigger and bolder. Disarming the general population will only embolden them 
more. You know the old saying, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have 
guns.
  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

 Well you must be living in the "good times" then.  But you probably have 
neighbors who would disagree with your assessment and it has nothing to do with 
entitlements.  You complain about foreigners coming in and they want to replace 
people companies think that are too expensive with cheaper foreign workers.  
They don't even give US workers a chance to negotiate.

 You have to know something about economics to evaluate this properly and I 
even read and listen to conservatives who know the economy is failing.  And 
they are more in a panic about it than "pseudo liberals" (liberals in name 
only) who believe the good times are here.  Ah!  You must be a closet liberal, 
Mike!

 Last week one of the local talk hosts had a local county assessor on who 
declared the recession over so they would be taking off the adjustments made 
over the last few years so people wouldn't lose their homes.  I don't know what 
he was smoking but the recession is far from over and a bigger one on the 
horizon.

 On 07/20/2015 11:48 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

     I'm not so sure it's the economic disparity we see either. We had a great 
depression in the thirties, far worse than anything we've ever had to live 
through and didn't have a spiraling crime rate. I think the problem lies with 
character issues. We, baby boomers and beyond, are  spoiled generations that 
have an entitlement personality. We are *owed* something we haven't deserved or 
worked for because everybody else has *it* and I want mine *now* damn-it and if 
you won't give it to me, I'll just take it!

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

      FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a 
liberal.  She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her life once. 
 So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am 
also very liberal.

 There are some issue neither right nor left.  It just appears that some people 
believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't.  The problem is probably 
the economy spiraling out of country and the economic disparity it creates.  It 
is making many people on the planet crazy.  Solve that instead.

 On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  -Original Message-
 From: Richard Huey 
 To: sarah smith ; wleed3 ; Lou Chandler 
Huey 
 Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...

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 From: Craig L Hope  
 Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM 
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 To: Bob Jackson < rjack...@shannondell.com> 

  -- Forwarded message -- 
 From: Anne Simonetti  
 Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM 
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 To: craiglh...@gmail.com, nade...@yahoo.com, bsevar...@msn.com, 
gjsimone...@verizon.net, saritaander...@hotmail.com, pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com 

    Something to think about.     --Original Message--  
 From: jano...@aol.com
 Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM
 Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun...
 To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, 
blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, 
dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, 
bobbiho...@msn.com, hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com

              -Original Message- 
 From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com> 
 To: undisclosed-recipients:;  
 Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm 
 Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun... 

            ... 

     The story of my gun     Today   I swung my 
front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06 
  right in the doorway.  I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone 
  and went about my business.   
  While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across 
  the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 


 Bhairitu,
 

 You seem to agree with Kurzweil that AI can surpass human intelligence.  But 
would a Divine Being want to live in a cold silicon chip or a quantum computer?
 

 Surely if it's a quantum computer it's already enlightened, at least according 
to the idea that quanta reside in the unified field of pure consciousness?
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is.  Just look at FFL.  Now for 
bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence.  
If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing.  Problem with robots 
taking over solved.
 
 On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   

 
 

 Salyavin,
 

 Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it 
possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 

 
 
 Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! 

 Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES 
 
 
 
 Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... Ryan Calo, from the 
University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt 
to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif...


 
 View on www.dailymail.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 
 
 

 Salyavin,
 

 Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of 
the information from the world through the five senses.  Knowing a Divine Being 
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence 
through the information from the senses.  Enlightenment occurs when the mind 
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
 
 
 Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as 
some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it 
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it 
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.
 

 An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.  
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
 

 How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who 
are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 

 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:emptybill@... wrote :
 
 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 
 
 How about this question instead?
 
 Can an artificial intelligence know God? 
 
 This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of 
foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 


 Bhairitu,
 

 You seem to agree with Kurzweil that AI can surpass human intelligence.  But 
would a Divine Being want to live in a cold silicon chip or a quantum computer?
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is.  Just look at FFL.  Now for 
bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence.  
If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing.  Problem with robots 
taking over solved.
 
 On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   

 
 

 Salyavin,
 

 Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it 
possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 

 
 
 Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! 

 Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES 
 
 
 
 Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... Ryan Calo, from the 
University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt 
to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif...


 
 View on www.dailymail.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 
 
 

 Salyavin,
 

 Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of 
the information from the world through the five senses.  Knowing a Divine Being 
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence 
through the information from the senses.  Enlightenment occurs when the mind 
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
 
 
 Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as 
some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it 
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it 
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.
 

 An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.  
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
 

 How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who 
are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 

 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:emptybill@... wrote :
 
 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 
 
 How about this question instead?
 
 Can an artificial intelligence know God? 
 
 This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of 
foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking Gets Funding to Find ET

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Apparently, a Russian billionaire has trust in Hawking to produce results in 
this research.  But what else can be done that SETI has not already thought of?
 

 "Organizers say the "Breakthrough Initiatives" project, also endorsed by other 
prominent British scientists, is the biggest ever scientific search for alien 
life. It includes a "listening" program — the effort to analyze vast amounts of 
radio signals in search of signs of life — and a "messaging" program that will 
include $1 million in prizes for digital messages that best represent the 
planet Earth.
 The messages will not be sent, however, in part because some scientists — 
including Hawking — fear messages sent into space could possibly spur 
aggressive actions by alien races."
 

 Suppose all the other aliens are scared too? We could all sitting around the 
galaxy not daring to speak and thinking we are all alone because of it!
 I think the reason we on't send out messages is because we'd be dead before 
any aliens got back to us.
 I 
 

 Searching for ET: Hawking to look for extraterrestrial life 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html#
 
 
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html#
 
 Searching for ET: Hawking to look for extraterrestrial l... 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html#
 LONDON (AP) — Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking and Russian-born billionaire 
Yuri Milner on Monday announced an ambitious bid to combin...


 
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html#
 Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is.  Just look at FFL.  Now for 
bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence.  
If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing.  Problem with robots 
taking over solved.
 

 If we tell them they can fly we could really start screwing some money out of 
them too.
 
 On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   

 
 

 Salyavin,
 

 Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it 
possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 

 
 
 Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! 

 Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES 
 
 
 
 Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... Ryan Calo, from the 
University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt 
to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif...


 
 View on www.dailymail.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 
 
 

 Salyavin,
 

 Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of 
the information from the world through the five senses.  Knowing a Divine Being 
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence 
through the information from the senses.  Enlightenment occurs when the mind 
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
 
 
 Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as 
some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it 
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it 
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.
 

 An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.  
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
 

 How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who 
are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 

 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:emptybill@... wrote :
 
 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 
 
 How about this question instead?
 
 Can an artificial intelligence know God? 
 
 This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of 
foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Salyavin,

Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it
possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained?

I can't say that I'm currently enlightened, I've got AC/DC pounding in the
headphones and I'm off down the pub in a minute, so I'm guessing I won't be
appearing on BATGAP any time soon.

But I've been there, quite nice I suppose if you like that sort of thing. Not
worth giving up a career for at the end of the day but you don't know at the
time, especially with the brochures they hand out. Still, I'd rather know than
not know if you see what I mean...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote!

Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html

Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html
Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our
laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced
with dif...

View on www.dailymail.co.uk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Salyavin,

Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of
the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence
through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.

Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as
some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.

An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.

How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who
are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of
the brain. (-:

From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.

"Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be
in error about who that is!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings.

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God?

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is.  Just look at FFL.  
Now for bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation 
just silence.  If they like it then they'll just sit there doing 
nothing.  Problem with robots taking over solved.


On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:





Salyavin,

Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently 
or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been 
attained?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote!

Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES 
 





image 




Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... 
 

Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns 
that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial 
intelligence or be faced with dif...


View on www.dailymail.co.uk 



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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




Salyavin,

Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after 
experiencing all of the information from the world through the five 
senses.  Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the 
mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the 
senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist 
in the body as it lives in the world.


Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling 
experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. 
I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same 
thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all 
over it.


An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body 
can.  Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.


How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves 
perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and 
then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very 
own section of the brain. (-:


*From:* salyavin808 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing 
God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of 
nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and 
blood.


"Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire 
beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at 
least they won't be in error about who that is!



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and 
shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the 
Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who 
consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article 
is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings.


How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God?

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly 
of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Salyavin,

Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it
possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Salyavin,

An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.

How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who
are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of
the brain. (-:

From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

"Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be
in error about who that is!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God?

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

2015-07-20 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Well you must be living in the "good times" then.  But you probably have 
neighbors who would disagree with your assessment and it has nothing to 
do with entitlements. You complain about foreigners coming in and they 
want to replace people companies think that are too expensive with 
cheaper foreign workers.  They don't even give US workers a chance to 
negotiate.


You have to know something about economics to evaluate this properly and 
I even read and listen to conservatives who know the economy is 
failing.  And they are more in a panic about it than "pseudo liberals" 
(liberals in name only) who believe the good times are here.  Ah!  You 
must be a closet liberal, Mike!


Last week one of the local talk hosts had a local county assessor on who 
declared the recession over so they would be taking off the adjustments 
made over the last few years so people wouldn't lose their homes.  I 
don't know what he was smoking but the recession is far from over and a 
bigger one on the horizon.


On 07/20/2015 11:48 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I'm not so sure it's the economic disparity we see either. We had a 
great depression in the thirties, far worse than anything we've ever 
had to live through and didn't have a spiraling crime rate. I think 
the problem lies with character issues. We, baby boomers and beyond, 
are spoiled generations that have an entitlement personality. We are 
*owed* something we haven't deserved or worked for because everybody 
else has *it* and I want mine *now* damn-it and if you won't give it 
to me, I'll just take it!



*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 11:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a 
liberal.  She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her 
life once.  So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't 
own a gun but am also very liberal.


There are some issue neither right nor left.  It just appears that 
some people believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't.  The 
problem is probably the economy spiraling out of country and the 
economic disparity it creates.  It is making many people on the planet 
crazy.  Solve that instead.


On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed wle...@aol.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:







-Original Message-
From: Richard Huey  
To: sarah smith  ; 
wleed3  ; Lou Chandler Huey 
 

Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...


-- Forwarded message --
From: *Craig L Hope* >

Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...
To: Bob Jackson < rjack...@shannondell.com 
>




-- Forwarded message --
From: *Anne Simonetti* >

Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...
To: craiglh...@gmail.com , 
nade...@yahoo.com , bsevar...@msn.com 
, gjsimone...@verizon.net 
, saritaander...@hotmail.com 
, pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com 




 Something to think about.
--Original Message--

From: jano...@aol.com
Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun...
To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, 
blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, 
ginny_jo...@verizon.net, dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, 
jilldemp...@gmail.com, bobbiho...@msn.com, 
hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com


-Original Message-
From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com >
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun...







*...*

The story of my gun
Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington
.30-06
right in the doorway.  I left 6 cartridges beside it, then
left it alone
and went about my business.

While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor
boy across
the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the
street and quite
a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house.

After about an hour, I checked on the gun.  It was still
sitting there,
right where I had left it.  It hadn't moved itself outside. 
It certainly

hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it
had presented
t

[FairfieldLife] Living Goddess Walks the Streets

2015-07-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

In Nepal, the goddess had to get out of her house because of the recent 
earthquake.  And, this event was supposedly predicted  a year before the 
earthquake happened.
 

 Nepal quake forces 'living goddess' to break decades of seclusion 
http://news.yahoo.com/nepal-quake-forces-living-goddess-break-decades-seclusion-041628732.html
 
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/nepal-quake-forces-living-goddess-break-decades-seclusion-041628732.html
 
 
 Nepal quake forces 'living goddess' to break dec... 
http://news.yahoo.com/nepal-quake-forces-living-goddess-break-decades-seclusion-041628732.html
 When a massive earthquake struck Nepal in April, Nepal's longest-serving 
"living goddess" was forced to do the unthinkable -- walk the streets for the...
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

2015-07-20 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I'm not so sure it's the economic disparity we see either. We had a great 
depression in the thirties, far worse than anything we've ever had to live 
through and didn't have a spiraling crime rate. I think the problem lies with 
character issues. We, baby boomers and beyond, are spoiled generations that 
have an entitlement personality. We are *owed* something we haven't deserved or 
worked for because everybody else has *it* and I want mine *now* damn-it and if 
you won't give it to me, I'll just take it!

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...
   
 FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a 
liberal.  She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her life once. 
 So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't own a gun but am 
also very liberal.
 
 There are some issue neither right nor left.  It just appears that some people 
believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't.  The problem is probably 
the economy spiraling out of country and the economic disparity it creates.  It 
is making many people on the planet crazy.  Solve that instead.
 
 On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    
 
 
  -Original Message-
 From: Richard Huey 
 To: sarah smith ; wleed3 ; Lou Chandler 
Huey 
 Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...
 
   
  -- Forwarded message -- 
 From: Craig L Hope  
 Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM 
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 To: Bob Jackson < rjack...@shannondell.com> 
 
 
  
  -- Forwarded message -- 
 From: Anne Simonetti  
 Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM 
 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 To: craiglh...@gmail.com, nade...@yahoo.com, bsevar...@msn.com, 
gjsimone...@verizon.net, saritaander...@hotmail.com, pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com 
 
 
    Something to think about.    --Original Message--  
 From: jano...@aol.com
 Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM
 Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun...
 To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, 
blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, 
dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, 
bobbiho...@msn.com, hodgeannstepha...@gmail.com, ilikefoo...@hotmail.com
   
              -Original Message- 
 From: Richard Gaffney imrg...@gmail.com> 
 To: undisclosed-recipients:; 
 Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm 
 Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
 

   
     
 
  
     
            ... 
    
   
 
 
 
     The story of my gun     Today   I swung my 
front door wide open and placed my Remington .30-06 
  right in the doorway.  I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone 
  and went about my business.   
  While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across 
  the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite 
  a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house.   

  After about an hour, I checked on the gun.  It was still sitting there, 
  right where I had left it.  It hadn't moved itself outside.  It certainly 
  hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented 
  to do so.   
  In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself.  Well you can imagine my surprise, 
  with all the hype by the Left and the Media about how dangerous guns are 
  and how they kill people.  Either the media is wrong or I have in my 
  possession, the laziest gun in the  world.   
  The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World.  But if you take 
  out just 4 cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the 
  United States is 4th from the bottom, in the entire world, for Murders.   
    
  These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the U.S.  ALL 4 
  of these cities are controlled by Democrats.  It would be absurd to draw 
  any conclusions from this data - right?         
Well, I'm off to check on my spoons.  I hear they're making people fat.  
 
       
                 
 
 
   
 
   

   
   
   
 
 
 -- 
Richard M. Huey, P.E.   Sycamore Mechanical   222 Sycamore Lane   
Phoenixville, PA 19460   610-935-9001       Cell: 484-888-3902  
 
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[FairfieldLife] Hawking Gets Funding to Find ET

2015-07-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Apparently, a Russian billionaire has trust in Hawking to produce results in 
this research.  But what else can be done that SETI has not already thought of?
 

 Searching for ET: Hawking to look for extraterrestrial life 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html#
 
 
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html#
 
 
 Searching for ET: Hawking to look for extraterrestrial l... 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/searching-et-hawking-look-extraterrestrial-life-121322284.html#
 LONDON (AP) — Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking and Russian-born billionaire 
Yuri Milner on Monday announced an ambitious bid to combin...
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808

Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Salyavin,

An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.

How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who
are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of
the brain. (-:

From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

"Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be
in error about who that is!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God?

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, I'm gonna combine your two responses, one to me and one to JR, and 
respond to both. Here's our exchange:
 

 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:

 

 But labeling something a god is surely belief?
 

 Salyvin, if the first human labeled something "tree," was there a belief 
involved?!
 

 No, because a tree is actually there. If you called it "god" that would mean 
you thought it was more than a tree or you didn't have much of an opinion of 
god.
 

 I think what you're getting at, esp in your response to JR, is that we label 
something as god or divine and these words have meanings that are problematic. 
But why are they?

 

 Because we are making unwarranted assumptions about inner experiences with 
vast conceptual and historical baggage. Whatever we experience is some cool 
stuff going on inside. You can call it what you like but the term god has 
implications whatever god it is you believe in or want it to be.
 

 Mind you, at least it's an experience of something nice and profound which is 
more than most religious people get!
 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 


 Salyavin,
 

 Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of 
the information from the world through the five senses.  Knowing a Divine Being 
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence 
through the information from the senses.  Enlightenment occurs when the mind 
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
 

 Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as 
some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it 
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it 
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.
 

 An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.  
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
 

 How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who 
are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 

 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 


 Share,
 

 Please, read my reply to Salyavin regarding believing and knowing the Divine 
Being.  When It is known, the human being can experience enlightenment which is 
the coexistence of the self and It in the human body while living in the world. 
 This is what MMY was saying about living heaven here on earth.  As a matter of 
fact, this is the message that Moses wanted to convey when he wrote about the 
Garden of Eden in Genesis of the Old Testament.
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 

 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Salyavin, I'm gonna combine your two responses, one to me and one to JR, and 
respond to both. Here's our exchange:
Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:

But labeling something a god is surely belief?
Salyvin, if the first human labeled something "tree," was there a belief 
involved?!
I think what you're getting at, esp in your response to JR, is that we label 
something as god or divine and these words have meanings that are problematic. 
But why are they?
  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




Salyavin,
Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of 
the information from the world through the five senses.  Knowing a Divine Being 
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence 
through the information from the senses.  Enlightenment occurs when the mind 
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as 
some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it 
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it 
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.
An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.  
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are 
we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
"Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 


 Ann,
 

 Please, read my reply to Salyavin reply regarding the difference between 
believing and knowing.  IMO, the human brain with its body is capable of 
knowing the Divine Being.  The obstacle to this knowledge is the human ego, 
which often thinks that it is the god and nothing else is above it.  Hence, we 
have the story of disobedience on the part of Adam and Eve in the Garden of 
Eden.
 

 However, when enlightenment occurs in a human being, the human mind and It are 
one residing in the human body.  As such, the fortunate human being can truly 
live heaven here on earth.  But, as we can see, humans are still functioning at 
the gross level of the ego which is the cause of wars, violence, greed and 
poverty.  Suffice is it to say that it's not far above animal existence.
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 First, I would have to define what it is to "know" God. Have I realized 
he/she/it exists? Have I become enlightened? Have I seen he/she/it? Do I live 
the "reality" of God every moment? Did I realize him/her/it for a while and 
later lost that? How do I define "artificial intelligence" beyond the circuits 
and electronics of it? I don't, I can't understand what another's experience 
is, let alone a circuit board's.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 


 Salyavin,
 

 Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of 
the information from the world through the five senses.  Knowing a Divine Being 
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence 
through the information from the senses.  Enlightenment occurs when the mind 
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
 

 Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as 
some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it 
all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it 
divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it.
 

 An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.  
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
 

 How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who 
are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 

 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 

But labeling something a god is surely belief?
 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 


 Salyavin,
 

 Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of 
the information from the world through the five senses.  Knowing a Divine Being 
is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence 
through the information from the senses.  Enlightenment occurs when the mind 
and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world.
 

 An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can.  
Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:
 

 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

2015-07-20 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

FWIW, we have an SF Bay Area radio talk host who is a gun owner and a 
liberal.  She stands by carrying a gun and how it may have saved her 
life once.  So she support the second amendment as do I though I don't 
own a gun but am also very liberal.


There are some issue neither right nor left.  It just appears that some 
people believe that banning guns is a solution but it isn't. The problem 
is probably the economy spiraling out of country and the economic 
disparity it creates.  It is making many people on the planet crazy.  
Solve that instead.


On 07/20/2015 07:12 AM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:





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To: sarah smith ; wleed3 ; Lou 
Chandler Huey 

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 Something to think about.
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To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 12:29 pm
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Story of my gun...







*...*

The story of my gun
Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington
.30-06
right in the doorway.  I left 6 cartridges beside it, then
left it alone
and went about my business.

While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor
boy across
the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the
street and quite
a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house.

After about an hour, I checked on the gun.  It was still
sitting there,
right where I had left it.  It hadn't moved itself outside. 
It certainly

hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it
had presented
to do so.

In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself.  Well you can imagine
my surprise,
with all the hype by the Left and the Media about how
dangerous guns are
and how they kill people.  Either the media is wrong or I have
in my
possession, the laziest gun in the world.

The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World.  But
if you take
out just 4 cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New
Orleans, the
United States is 4th from the bottom, in the entire world, for
Murders.

These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the
U.S. ALL 4
of these cities are controlled by Democrats.  It would be
absurd to draw
any conclusions from this data - right?
Well, I'm off to check on my spoons.  I hear they're making
people fat. *

*












--
Richard M. Huey, P.E.
Sycamore Mechanical
222 Sycamore Lane
Phoenixville, PA 19460
610-935-9001
Cell: 484-888-3902

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and secondary impotence?

2015-07-20 Thread srijau

kappikachu // mucuna ... or the best thing would be to see a traditional healer 
like a chinese herbal doctor or a Vaidya and get away from all the 
pharmaceuticals if possible.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then 
interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of 
the brain. (-:

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
"Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Story of my gun...

2015-07-20 Thread William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]





-Original Message-
From: Richard Huey 
To: sarah smith ; wleed3 ; Lou Chandler 
Huey 
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 10:14 pm
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...


 
  
  
-- Forwarded message --   
From:Craig L Hope   
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM   
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun...   
To: Bob Jackson <   rjack...@shannondell.com>   
   
   
   


-- Forwarded message -- 
From:  Anne Simonetti   
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:27 PM 
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Story of my gun... 
To:  craiglh...@gmail.com,  nade...@yahoo.com,  bsevar...@msn.com,  
gjsimone...@verizon.net,  saritaander...@hotmail.com,  
pet_lvrs_fo...@yahoo.com 
 
 
 
  
 Something to think about.  
  
   
  
 
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From: jano...@aol.com
Date: Jul 9, 2015 2:44:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: Story of my gun...
To: adsi...@verizon.net, pandragi...@yahoo.com, riviera...@aol.com, 
blue65lan...@yahoo.com, dlbroll...@gmail.com, ginny_jo...@verizon.net, 
dempse...@gmail.com, carldemp...@gmail.com, jilldemp...@gmail.com, 
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 The story of my gun

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 First, I would have to define what it is to "know" God. Have I realized 
he/she/it exists? Have I become enlightened? Have I seen he/she/it? Do I live 
the "reality" of God every moment? Did I realize him/her/it for a while and 
later lost that? How do I define "artificial intelligence" beyond the circuits 
and electronics of it? I don't, I can't understand what another's experience 
is, let alone a circuit board's.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 

 Yes, and aren't we all God, or so some have postulated?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "Did you know Dawkins learned TM?":
 

 What! Richard Dawkins learnt (was initiated into) Transcendental Meditation © 
TM ® ? Have you a link supporting that astonishing claim?  
  
 Astonishing claims require astonishing evidence, so let's have a 
google..no. Hmmm, there is a mention of him having tried TMS (Transcranial 
Magnetic Stimulation) or Michael Persinger's "God Helmet" which is supposed to 
induce spiritual experiences. He didn't have one.
 

 TM, TMS, perhaps he missed off the "S" when he was explaining it to someone? 
Still, he's a busy man so I won't hold it against him ;-)
 

 Thinking about it though, can you imagine Richard Dawkins at the Puja table?
 

 

 

 What is Mystical Experience? http://www.sofn.org.uk/sofia/84mystical.html 
 
 http://www.sofn.org.uk/sofia/84mystical.html 
 
 What is Mystical Experience? http://www.sofn.org.uk/sofia/84mystical.html What 
is Mystical Experience? by Anthony Freeman The Experiments 
 
 
 
 View on www.sofn.org.uk http://www.sofn.org.uk/sofia/84mystical.html 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
Which one of RD's did you read Curtis?
 
Me:
The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution is the book I am 
referring to. It is my favorite of his.
 

 OK, I haven't got that one actually. If I remember he wrote it because people 
were fed up with him going on about religion all the time and wanted to him to 
try and convince them off the alternative. Glad it was a success.

 

 S: 

 The conversation about what memes society should have predominating is a good 
one but I think he's better off sharing his enthusiasm and wisdom about his 
favourite subject. 

Me: I believe that people who have had a religious experience and belief system 
come into Atheism a bit humbled. In my case I can't read any version of clap 
trap nonsense that I was not the believer in and often in a much stupider form! 
I relate more to people who lost their religion rather than people who never 
had any beliefs like that. I can admire them, but that was not my path, and I 
don't always feel understood by them.


Did you know Dawkins learned TM? He said he was unimpressed and didn't have any 
mystical experiences but that if he had he would have assumed they were 
neurological burps or something.
 

 I often wonder what would have happened to him if he'd had the sort of 
trip-out I had when I learned. I instantly thought I'd found a disproof of 
evolution, how could a subjective experience as powerful and complete as that 
be triggered by an Indian word? And from that they reeled me in to believe all 
sorts of things about consciousness and DNA, even that I was going to fly! 
 

 But the dogmatic approach of the vedic science course made me want to argue 
against it as they weren't offering any chance of criticism and no evidence as 
justification. All of a sudden the bubble I had constructed burst and I had an 
enjoyable time searching out and dismantling the beliefs that had wormed their 
way in. It took years and I only finished it here.
 

 Rather odd to look back on myself in those days, the TM revelation caused 
quite a change from the convinced Darwinist and astronomy nut that I was before 
I learned to meditate but you know how it is, the thrill of discovering an 
apparently hidden world of forgotten knowledge from the distant past, complete 
with all it's secrets revealed anew to the lost humans of this soulless age. 
They really knew how to appeal to us!

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I recommend Richard Dawkins' book on evolution if anyone wants to get a better 
handle on what it actually is than we can remember from biology class. When I 
read it I found that I had some odd perspectives that needed adjusting. We are 
by nature drawn to teleological perspectives (ones that presuppose a goal) 
because we are order loving and pattern seeking creatures. The statistics of 
evolution are extra sensory in scale and counter-intuitive. 

It turns out that the genes can do different things to men and women and some 
genes prospered in certain environments that we don't live in now. Think of how 
many humans got whacked by the most recent ice age. So we are left with a gene 
set that survived that condition that may hurt us today. 

Non reproducing individuals are no surprise if the gene does something else 
over the population that leads to more people with that gene. Again we suck at 
statistics so we see one person and draw bogus conclusions before we can blink. 
Perversely we think we are good at this inductive reasoning. We equate our 
feelings of certainty with the probability it is true.

Dawkins' book was humbling because there was so much about the theory that I 
didn't understand. This is the grand theory that is the basis for understanding 
a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?

2015-07-20 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God.  Knowing God 
requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in 
the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood.
 

 "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs 
about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be 
in error about who that is!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows 
ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian 
subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider 
consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of 
truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. 

How about this question instead?

Can an artificial intelligence know God? 

This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish 
assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex says Rick transferred FFL ownership to Doug

2015-07-20 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Dear Dear Alex, we appreciate your long and loyal service to FairfieldLife at 
Yahoo-groups and look forward to your awake and capable consul and help in the 
service of the group as we go forward, -JaiGuruYou! Satyam bruyat priyam 
bruyat. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 As your loyal but lowly underling, I have no choice but to completely agree.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, that reads a lot like the Sanskrit of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. 
-JaiGuruYou In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote :

 Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat.
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Calm down, Edg. Please. It's only FFL, an Internet group in which people 
exchange views on various topics. It doesn't matter that much, and Rick doesn't 
owe us anything. And starting a post by using one of your favorite expressions, 
followed by the person's name, is hardly likely to encourage him to communicate 
with you. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Just unfriended Rick from my Facebook friends.  I cannot believe his COWARDICE 
in this matter.  It is simply unconscionable for him to give power over all the 
content of FFL to an outrageous person.

If Doug comes in and starts deleting stuff from the past, I will sue.  I have 
the money.  I will sue.

I don't care if I lose, I just care that  Doug and Rick will have to eventually 
allow me to depose them in front of a court reporter. 

 Yes, I am more angry at Rick than at any other fucker that's ever posted here. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 FUCK YOU RICK ARCHER -- you have sinned big time -- you just gave all the 
production of all the FFL minds to a person who is, by majority opinion, as 
crazy as any bliss ninny ever.

I cannot believe you have not explained yourself to us.  YOU OWE US.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex says Rick transferred FFL ownership to Doug

2015-07-20 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 As your loyal but lowly underling, I have no choice but to completely agree.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, that reads a lot like the Sanskrit of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. 
-JaiGuruYou In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote :

 Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat.
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Calm down, Edg. Please. It's only FFL, an Internet group in which people 
exchange views on various topics. It doesn't matter that much, and Rick doesn't 
owe us anything. And starting a post by using one of your favorite expressions, 
followed by the person's name, is hardly likely to encourage him to communicate 
with you. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Just unfriended Rick from my Facebook friends.  I cannot believe his COWARDICE 
in this matter.  It is simply unconscionable for him to give power over all the 
content of FFL to an outrageous person.

If Doug comes in and starts deleting stuff from the past, I will sue.  I have 
the money.  I will sue.

I don't care if I lose, I just care that  Doug and Rick will have to eventually 
allow me to depose them in front of a court reporter. 

 Yes, I am more angry at Rick than at any other fucker that's ever posted here. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 FUCK YOU RICK ARCHER -- you have sinned big time -- you just gave all the 
production of all the FFL minds to a person who is, by majority opinion, as 
crazy as any bliss ninny ever.

I cannot believe you have not explained yourself to us.  YOU OWE US.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex says Rick transferred FFL ownership to Doug

2015-07-20 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Yes, that reads a lot like the Sanskrit of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. 
-JaiGuruYou In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote :

 Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat.
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Calm down, Edg. Please. It's only FFL, an Internet group in which people 
exchange views on various topics. It doesn't matter that much, and Rick doesn't 
owe us anything. And starting a post by using one of your favorite expressions, 
followed by the person's name, is hardly likely to encourage him to communicate 
with you. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Just unfriended Rick from my Facebook friends.  I cannot believe his COWARDICE 
in this matter.  It is simply unconscionable for him to give power over all the 
content of FFL to an outrageous person.

If Doug comes in and starts deleting stuff from the past, I will sue.  I have 
the money.  I will sue.

I don't care if I lose, I just care that  Doug and Rick will have to eventually 
allow me to depose them in front of a court reporter. 

 Yes, I am more angry at Rick than at any other fucker that's ever posted here. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 FUCK YOU RICK ARCHER -- you have sinned big time -- you just gave all the 
production of all the FFL minds to a person who is, by majority opinion, as 
crazy as any bliss ninny ever.

I cannot believe you have not explained yourself to us.  YOU OWE US.

[FairfieldLife] Kidskills!

2015-07-20 Thread he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]



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