Terminology

[Dale Miller]

I hope, since this is not about "USS", that I won't be moderated on  
this. I wish to reply to a question John McKown raised on 18 Nov :"And  
what is the proper word for the PL/1 "not" sign' ? (x'00AC' in  
Unicode). It is a standard operator in formal mathematical language,  
AFAIK almost universally used to indicate logical negation in an  
expression, and normally called the "negation symbol", but informally  
called the "not sign".



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Re: Terminology

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> 
> Since it is now Friday, how about
> 
> / is a solidus, aka a slash
> \ is a reverse solidus, aka a backslash
> # is an octhothrope, aka a hash mark or pound sign. Not to be confused with 
> "pound sterling" sign.
> ! is a "bang" - I learned that long ago in college on a Xerox Sigma 7 system.
> #! is normally pronounced "shebang" in UNIX. I guess a verbal slurring of 
> "hash bang" together.
> 
> When speaking, I often say "square bracket" and "curly brace" (open or close) 
> just because people
> often don't know a brace from a bracket from a parenthesis. And let's not 
> even talk about carets ^.
> And what is the proper word for that PL/1 "not" sign ¬ ?
> 
> I never heard of "broken brackets" for < and >. Just "less than" and "greater 
> than".

In the context of containers, I've always known them as "angle brackets".

   -jc-

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Re: Terminology

[McKown, John]

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> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Dale Miller
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> Subject: Terminology
> 
> I hope, since this is not about "USS", that I won't be moderated on  
> this. I wish to reply to a question John McKown raised on 18 
> Nov :"And  
> what is the proper word for the PL/1 "not" sign' ? (x'00AC' in  
> Unicode). It is a standard operator in formal mathematical language,  
> AFAIK almost universally used to indicate logical negation in an  
> expression, and normally called the "negation symbol", but 
> informally  
> called the "not sign".
> 
> 
> Dale Miller

So, no fancy name like octothrope for # or solidus for /. How disappointing! 


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Re: Terminology

[Rick Fochtman]

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I hope, since this is not about "USS", that I won't be moderated on  
this. I wish to reply to a question John McKown raised on 18 Nov :"And  
what is the proper word for the PL/1 "not" sign' ? (x'00AC' in  
Unicode). It is a standard operator in formal mathematical language,  
AFAIK almost universally used to indicate logical negation in an  
expression, and normally called the "negation symbol", but informally  
called the "not sign".


The only name I heard for it, that I remember, was "inverted 
circumflex".  How about that for a meaningless mouthful?  :-)


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Re: Terminology

[Roger Bolan]

I searched IBM font codepages and found that symbol designated as "Logical
NOT/End Of Line Symbol".  I've always just called it "not sign".
--Roger

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Rick Fochtman  wrote:

> --****
> ---
> I hope, since this is not about "USS", that I won't be moderated on  this.
> I wish to reply to a question John McKown raised on 18 Nov :"And  what is
> the proper word for the PL/1 "not" sign' ? (x'00AC' in  Unicode). It is a
> standard operator in formal mathematical language,  AFAIK almost
> universally used to indicate logical negation in an  expression, and
> normally called the "negation symbol", but informally  called the "not
> sign".
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> The only name I heard for it, that I remember, was "inverted circumflex".
>  How about that for a meaningless mouthful?  :-)
>
> Rick
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Re: Terminology

[Gerhard Postpischil]

On 11/21/2011 4:32 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:

-
"negation symbol", but informally called the "not sign".


The only name I heard for it, that I remember, was "inverted
circumflex". How about that for a meaningless mouthful? :-)


There is a name for an inverted circumflex, but it's not a not 
sign, but rather a caron, or hacek (with one on top of the c). 
My grandfather had one in his name.


Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Re: Terminology

[John Gilmore]

There is a name for '¬' too.  See the discussion of notation in volume
1 of Principia Mathematica.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: Terminology

[Brian Westerman]

In my college math classes we called it a negation.  Which doesn't make it 
correct, and I no longer have the Calculus books from way back then. 

Brian

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Re: Terminology

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4ecac35b.7050...@ync.net>, on 11/21/2011
   at 03:32 PM, Rick Fochtman  said:

>The only name I heard for it, that I remember, was "inverted 
>circumflex".

An inverted circumflex[1] would look like a logical Or, not like a
logical Not (¬), which is a horizontal segment and a shorter vertical
segment.

[1] It's an accent in some languages and is called something
like Hacheck. I know it best as the accent in Dvorak.
 
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Re: Terminology

[Bill Fairchild]

It's the accent above the "r" in Dvořák.  There is also an accent above the 
"a".  The word "hachek" (hacheck, or transliterated any other way one likes) 
is, of course, self-referentially spelled with a hachek in Czech -- háček.  I 
can only hope that all my diacritics survive the various email editors through 
which they pass.

Bill Fairchild

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[1] It's an accent in some languages and is called something
like Hacheck. I know it best as the accent in Dvorak.
 
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Re: Terminology

[John Gilmore]

The ‘inverted circumflex’, as in ‘ă’, is in fact more like a lower
semicircle than an inversion of the circumflex in ‘â’.  It occur alone
and in combination with other marks, as in ‘ặ ’, ‘ắ’, and  ‘ẵ’.

Linguists writing in English, in which it does not occur, sometimes
call it a cup.  In the languages in which it is actually used it has
other names, different in each language.  This is to be expected.  The
mark over the 'a' in 'ä' is, for example, called a diaresis in English
and an umlaut in German.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: Terminology

[Linda Mooney]

Greetings! 

  

 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:02:05 AM 
Subject: Re: Terminology 

The ‘inverted circumflex’, as in ‘ă’, is in fact more like a lower 
semicircle than an inversion of the circumflex in ‘â’.  It occur alone 
and in combination with other marks, as in ‘ặ ’, ‘ắ’, and  ‘ẵ’. 

Linguists writing in English, in which it does not occur, sometimes 
call it a cup.  In the languages in which it is actually used it has 
other names, different in each language.  This is to be expected.  The 
mark over the 'a' in 'ä' is, for example, called a diaresis in English 
and an umlaut in German. 

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA 

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Re: Terminology

[Steve Comstock]

On 11/22/2011 10:30 AM, Linda Mooney wrote:

Greetings!





David Bond of Tachyon Software has some great pages
on this. For what you're asking about, check out:

  http://www.tachyonsoft.com/uc.htm#U00C4






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The ‘inverted circumflex’, as in ‘ă’, is in fact more like a lower
semicircle than an inversion of the circumflex in ‘â’.  It occur alone
and in combination with other marks, as in ‘ặ ’, ‘ắ’, and  ‘ẵ’.

Linguists writing in English, in which it does not occur, sometimes
call it a cup.  In the languages in which it is actually used it has
other names, different in each language.  This is to be expected.  The
mark over the 'a' in 'ä' is, for example, called a diaresis in English
and an umlaut in German.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: Terminology

[Bill Fairchild]

Look up "diacritic" in Wikipedia and be prepared to drink from the fire hydrant 
of knowledge on scores of different marks used in hundreds of human writing 
systems.

Bill Fairchild

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Greetings! 

  


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Subject: Re: Terminology 

The ‘inverted circumflex’, as in ‘ă’, is in fact more like a lower semicircle 
than an inversion of the circumflex in ‘â’.  It occur alone and in combination 
with other marks, as in ‘ặ ’, ‘ắ’, and  ‘ẵ’. 

Linguists writing in English, in which it does not occur, sometimes call it a 
cup.  In the languages in which it is actually used it has other names, 
different in each language.  This is to be expected.  The mark over the 'a' in 
'ä' is, for example, called a diaresis in English and an umlaut in German. 

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA 

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Re: Terminology

[John Gilmore]

Linda Mooney wrote:

| Can anyone offer a link with these marks that includes something
about them, and
| hopefully audible enunciation?

Sound bites are useful, but mastery of the linguists' International
Phonetic Alphabetic is what you should shoot for first.

The marks can be deceptive.  Pronunciation of the Hungarian name 'Béla
Bartók' is subtly different from that suggested by anglophone
associations with these marks, which are usually based on some
knowledge of their use in French.  These associations are better than
what is suggested to most anglophones by just 'Bela Bartok', but they
don't yield a good result.  In other cases, one must just learn a
little.  Polish is not, for example, difficult to pronounce once one
has done so.  Without that little, it appears to an anglophone to be a
thicket of consonants.

Łukasiewicz==>Woo-kaze-yevitch

is not intuitively obvious to anglophones, but once you learn it you
can stop using the copout term 'Polish notation'.   (My own spoken
Polish consists of very simple declararative sentences punctuated by
15-second pauses used to construct the next one, but I can read and
pronounce it.)

Now for a commercial.  The use of these marks in other languages is
one of the more powerful arguments for converting our systems to
Unicode, which makes them available,

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: Terminology

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
<143900959.130026.1321983016994.javamail.r...@sz0042a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
on 11/22/2011
   at 05:30 PM, Linda Mooney  said:

>Even in my English class it was called an umlaut,

The accent in, e.g., Jütte, is an umlaut. The diacritical mark in,
e.g., naïve, is a diaresis[2].

>Somebody's (maybe everybody's) email editor is probably playing
>tricks

Correct transmission of anything but ASCII require three header
fields, e.g.,

 Mime-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

[1] ; it's a special case of
a diaresis

[2] 
 
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Re: Terminology

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/22/2011
   at 12:02 PM, John Gilmore  said:

>Linguists writing in English, in which it does not occur, sometimes
>call it a cup.

The /\ and \/ characters are also known as cap and cup in Mathematics,
especially in Homology Theory.
 
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Re: Terminology

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
<77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca3449...@nwt-s-mbx2.rocketsoftware.com>,
on 11/22/2011
   at 04:47 PM, Bill Fairchild  said:

>I can only hope that all my diacritics survive the various email
>editors through which they pass.

Alas, my e-mail client doesn't support UTF-8. However, IMHO you did
the right thing to use Unicode.
 
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Re: Terminology

[Linda Mooney]

Hi John, 

  

Nothing beats an accomplished and/or native speaker.  Still, the 'sound bites' 
are usually better than the native English speaker's attempt at figuring out 
how things should sound.  :) 

  

Some years ago I had the great opportunity to spend 2 years living in Germany 
and traveling about a bit.  All I had to lean on at the beginning was a Berlitz 
Traveler's German book.  I found its most useful feature was the phonetic 
spelling for an English speaker of the German words and phrases.  It helped me 
get started and rescued me several times until I learned more of the language.  
I am not fluent, but I still regularly listen to German and Austrian radio over 
the net and visit some websites in German.  



I inquired of our buddy Google as regards the International Phonetic Alphabet, 
which led me to http://www.omniglot.com/writing/ipa.htm  interesting site. 



Thanks, 

Linda 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:08:55 PM 
Subject: Re: Terminology 

Linda Mooney wrote: 

| Can anyone offer a link with these marks that includes something 
about them, and 
| hopefully audible enunciation? 

Sound bites are useful, but mastery of the linguists' International 
Phonetic Alphabetic is what you should shoot for first. 

The marks can be deceptive.  Pronunciation of the Hungarian name 'Béla 
Bartók' is subtly different from that suggested by anglophone 
associations with these marks, which are usually based on some 
knowledge of their use in French.  These associations are better than 
what is suggested to most anglophones by just 'Bela Bartok', but they 
don't yield a good result.  In other cases, one must just learn a 
little.  Polish is not, for example, difficult to pronounce once one 
has done so.  Without that little, it appears to an anglophone to be a 
thicket of consonants. 

Łukasiewicz==>Woo-kaze-yevitch 

is not intuitively obvious to anglophones, but once you learn it you 
can stop using the copout term 'Polish notation'.   (My own spoken 
Polish consists of very simple declararative sentences punctuated by 
15-second pauses used to construct the next one, but I can read and 
pronounce it.) 

Now for a commercial.  The use of these marks in other languages is 
one of the more powerful arguments for converting our systems to 
Unicode, which makes them available, 

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA 

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Re: Terminology

[Linda Mooney]

Hi Shmuel, 



Thanks, I appreciate the info and the links.  



Linda 



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In 
<143900959.130026.1321983016994.javamail.r...@sz0042a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
 
on 11/22/2011 
   at 05:30 PM, Linda Mooney  said: 

>Even in my English class it was called an umlaut, 

The accent in, e.g., Jütte, is an umlaut. The diacritical mark in, 
e.g., naïve, is a diaresis[2]. 

>Somebody's (maybe everybody's) email editor is probably playing 
>tricks 

Correct transmission of anything but ASCII require three header 
fields, e.g., 

 Mime-Version: 1.0 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 

[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umlaut>; it's a special case of 
    a diaresis 

[2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_(diacritic)> 
  
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Re: Terminology

[Linda Mooney]

Hi Bill, 



Yes, that was indeed and abundant reference! 

Thanks, 



Linda 

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From: "Bill Fairchild"  
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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:45:19 AM 
Subject: Re: Terminology 

Look up "diacritic" in Wikipedia and be prepared to drink from the fire hydrant 
of knowledge on scores of different marks used in hundreds of human writing 
systems. 

Bill Fairchild 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:30 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Subject: Re: Terminology 

Greetings! 

  

 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:02:05 AM 
Subject: Re: Terminology 

The ‘inverted circumflex’, as in ‘ă’, is in fact more like a lower semicircle 
than an inversion of the circumflex in ‘â’.  It occur alone and in combination 
with other marks, as in ‘ặ ’, ‘ắ’, and  ‘ẵ’. 

Linguists writing in English, in which it does not occur, sometimes call it a 
cup.  In the languages in which it is actually used it has other names, 
different in each language.  This is to be expected.  The mark over the 'a' in 
'ä' is, for example, called a diaresis in English and an umlaut in German. 

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA 

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Re: Terminology

[Linda Mooney]

Hi Steve, 



That's a great site!  I'll keep that bookmarked. 



Thanks, 

Linda 

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Subject: Re: Terminology 

On 11/22/2011 10:30 AM, Linda Mooney wrote: 
> Greetings! 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> The mark over the 'a' in 'ä' is, for example, called a diaresis in English 
> and an umlaut in German. 
>  
> 
> 
> Even in my English class it was called an umlaut, but that is the only one of 
> the marks (is that the proper term?) that I recognize.  I have been following 
> this thread and I can see that there are many more marks than I have ever 
> been aware of.  Somebody's (maybe everybody's) email editor is probably 
> playing tricks as the same marks, including those forwarded, are not shown 
> consistently in my inbox. 
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone offer a link with these marks that includes something about them, 
> and hopefully audible enunciation?  I did check Google, and found listings 
> for  en.wiktionary.org  and www.tfode.com  , but are there better references? 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> 
> 
> Linda 
> 

David Bond of Tachyon Software has some great pages 
on this. For what you're asking about, check out: 

   http://www.tachyonsoft.com/uc.htm#U00C4 


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> From: "John Gilmore" 
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> Subject: Re: Terminology 
> 
> The ‘inverted circumflex’, as in ‘ă’, is in fact more like a lower 
> semicircle than an inversion of the circumflex in ‘â’.  It occur alone 
> and in combination with other marks, as in ‘ặ ’, ‘ắ’, and  ‘ẵ’. 
> 
> Linguists writing in English, in which it does not occur, sometimes 
> call it a cup.  In the languages in which it is actually used it has 
> other names, different in each language.  This is to be expected.  The 
> mark over the 'a' in 'ä' is, for example, called a diaresis in English 
> and an umlaut in German. 
> 
> John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA 
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Re: Terminology

[Bob Woodside]

On Saturday, December 03, 2011 at 02:22 am Dale Miller wrote:
> I hope, since this is not about "USS", that I won't be moderated on
> this. I wish to reply to a question John McKown raised on 18 Nov
> :"And what is the proper word for the PL/1 "not" sign' ? (x'00AC' in
> Unicode). It is a standard operator in formal mathematical language,
> AFAIK almost universally used to indicate logical negation in an
> expression, and normally called the "negation symbol", but
> informally called the "not sign".

Users of x3270 tend to call it a "CircumNot" (I'm not sure whether Paul 
Mattes coined the term, or one of the earlier x3270 maintainers). 

Other old 3270 users just call it "Shift-6" (but don't try that on your 
PC keyboard).


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¬ (was: Terminology)

[John Gilmore]

This symbol is present in Unicode as the HTML entity ¬, the numeric
entity ̤,  and the hexadecimal entity ¬.

The late Alonzo Church called it a 'corner', and for mathematical
logicians there was and is little appeal from his terminological
decisions as the founding and longtime editor of the Journal of
Symbolic Logic.

Others sometimes call it just a 'not symbol', which is ambiguous
because the '~' is also sometimes called a not symbol.   The now
established Unicode equivalence of '¬ ' and the HTML entity ¬ makes
it likely that it will eventually supplant other notation for
negation.   In the 1950s there was also some use of the name
half-turnstile because the assertion symbol '-|' is called a
turnstile, but that was too precious to live, and I believe that it
has indeed died.

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Re: Terminology

[Robert A. Rosenberg]

At 17:06 -0500 on 11/22/2011, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote about 
Re: Terminology:



Correct transmission of anything but ASCII require three header
fields, e.g.,

 Mime-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


The Charset can also be ISO-8859-1 (which is the usual ISO-8859-*). 
It differs from -15 by not having a few French letters missing from 
-1 and having the fraction characters (1/4, 1/2, 3/4) that were 
removed in -15 to make room for the French Characters. -15 also 
officially contains the Euro Symbol [¤] which is not in -1. Even 
better since it will show ALL Glyphs just use UTF-8.


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Re: Terminology

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <201112031227.41137.ibm...@woodsway.com>, on 12/03/2011
   at 12:27 PM, Bob Woodside  said:

>Other old 3270 users just call it "Shift-6" (but don't try that on
>your PC keyboard).

Alt-M[1] gives me ¬ on my PC keyboard. YMMV.

[1] I would have consider Alt-6 to be more logical[2], but thay
gives me °[3].

[2] G, D & R.

[3] Dead key round circle.
 
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Re: Terminology

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on 12/03/2011
   at 09:29 PM, "Robert A. Rosenberg"  said:

>The Charset can also be ISO-8859-1

Il va sans dire. I wrote "e.g.", not "i.e.", so those fields were
examples.

>(which is the usual ISO-8859-*).

ISO-8859-a is Latin 1, which does not include the Euro (€) character.
ISO-8859-15 is its replacement. Of course, with the meltdown of the
Euro Zone, ...

>Euro Symbol [ ]

You're posting in Latin 1; there is no Euro symbol.

>Even better since it will show ALL Glyphs just use UTF-8.

Alas, my e-mail client does not support Unicode, which is why I use
ISO-8859-15. If I find an acceptable replacement then I will, of
course, configure it to use UTF-8.
 
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Changing terminology ..

[Shane Ginnane]

Phil wrote on 23/06/2006 07:59:02 AM:

>
> How short memories are.  Just a few decades.

Indeed.
We *all* know what computers are don't we. Used to be flesh and bone ...
http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/titles/7999.html

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UNIX Terminology

[willie bunter]

Good Morning to all.  
 
Can anybody point me to a website which would have all UNIX terminologies.  I 
have browsed through quite a few sites but they contained all the commands and 
basic terminologies.  For instance I am looking for a definition for LUNS or 
BCV etc.  So far I have come up empty.  I would appreciate if anybody could 
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Terminology RE: USS

[McKown, John]

Since it is now Friday, how about

/ is a solidus, aka a slash
\ is a reverse solidus, aka a backslash
# is an octhothrope, aka a hash mark or pound sign. Not to be confused with 
"pound sterling" sign.
! is a "bang" - I learned that long ago in college on a Xerox Sigma 7 system.
#! is normally pronounced "shebang" in UNIX. I guess a verbal slurring of "hash 
bang" together.

When speaking, I often say "square bracket" and "curly brace" (open or close) 
just because people often don't know a brace from a bracket from a parenthesis. 
And let's not even talk about carets ^. And what is the proper word for that 
PL/1 "not" sign ¬ ?

I never heard of "broken brackets" for < and >. Just "less than" and "greater 
than".

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> >Brackets? Oh, you mean parentheses: ( )
> >Brackets are: [ ] (not "square brackets", just "brackets")
> >Braces are: { } (not "curly braces", just "braces")
> 
> Another common use for obscure terms.
> 
> When I was in high school English brackets was an acceptable term.
> When I took FORTRAN brackets was an acceptable term. 
> When I took C square brackets and curly (brackets or braces) 
> were acceptable terms.
> My profs used them. 
> Why, after almost 40 years, why do we have more retroactve 
> corrections?
> 
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Re: ¬ (was: Terminology)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 12/03/2011
   at 06:26 PM, John Gilmore  said:

>This symbol is present in Unicode as the HTML entity ¬, the
>numeric entity ̤,  and the hexadecimal entity ¬.

The entities ¬[1], ¬ and ¬ represent the same value[2],
which is distinct from ̤[3][4].

[1] Technically there is a semicolon after each of the entities.

[2] Logical Not (¬)

[3] For characters not in the ISO-8859-a range, it's clearer if you
use heaxadecimal rather than decimal; in this case, ̤

[4] I don't see anything at that code point in the chart at

 
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ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[MainframeJunkie]

I have been asked what the common ITIL term in the industry is for "Mainframe". 
Basically, these are the questions:

1) What term is used for the Mainframe System itself?
2) What are the common names of the Mainframe Organizations in the industry? 
The larger organization as a whole and not the individual departments.

I have little experience with ITIL, so hopefully I phrased this question 
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Game-theoretic terminology

[john gilmore]

John McKown wrote:



That is a "positive sum game". A "positive sum game" is one in which you
come out of the game "ahead" of where you were before entering the game.
A "zero sum game" is one in which you neither win nor lose. You come out
no worse or better than you were before. A "negative sum game" is one in
which you lose. You come out worse off than you were before.



and he is of course free to use words as he likes.  Still, the standard von 
Neumann-Morgenstern definitions of these terms are very different.


A zero-sum game is one in which no utility is created during play.  Anything 
won by a player or players must be lost by another player or some 
combination of other players.


A positive-sum game is one in which utility is or at least may be created 
during play.  All players may sometimes thus win in the sense that they 
leave the game possessed of more utility than they entered it with.


Finally, a negative-sum game is one in which utility is or may be destroyed 
during play.  All players may lose utility or some may win, but the sum of 
the utilities possessed by all players will be less at the end of the game 
than it was at the beginning.


Poker is a zero-sum game.  Many economic processes, those that create 
wealth, are positive-sum games.  War is a negative-sum game.


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Re: Changing terminology ..

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

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Re: UNIX Terminology

[McKown, John]

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> 
> 
> Good Morning to all.  
>  
> Can anybody point me to a website which would have all UNIX 
> terminologies.  I have browsed through quite a few sites but 
> they contained all the commands and basic terminologies.  For 
> instance I am looking for a definition for LUNS or BCV etc.  
> So far I have come up empty.  I would appreciate if anybody 
> could recommend a site for UNIX for dummies (myself) that 
> would help me out.
>  
> Thanks in advance to you all.
> 

LUNs and BCV are not "UNIX Terminology". LUNs is SCSI terminology.
Basically, an LUN is similar in concept to a device address in zSeries
(no, that is not 100% technically correct). BCV is an EMC DASD concept.
It is a Business Continuance Volume. At least, that is the only meaning
that I am aware of for it. A BCV is a "mirror" volume (like in RAID
mirroring), but it can be "broken out" of the mirroring group and
accessed separately. This allows for a point-in-time image of a DASD
volume, which can then be backed up (using FDR or a separate z/OS image.
It cannot be brought on-line to the original z/OS image because it has a
duplicate VOLSER).

One of the premier publishers of UNIX/Linux books is O'Reilly. They have
a web-based, subscription site, where you can read many of their
manuals. Go to http://safari.oreilly.com/ for more information. But,
WAIT!, if you act quickly, you can get a free 14 day subscription!!
 Seriouly, they are an excellent publisher. They also have some
totally free-to-read things.

You might also want to look around http://www.tldp.org/. This is the
Linux Documentation Project. I am a Linux user. I found it really helped
me to understand z/OS UNIX. Granted, they are not 100% identical, but
the concepts are very similar.


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Re: UNIX Terminology

[willie bunter]

Thanks John for the tip.  I will check out both sites.  As you can tell I am a 
novice and I mixed the terminology thinking that both terms as I had described 
were UNIX.  Can I impose upon you one more time to tell me where I could look 
for SCSI and EMC terminologies as well.
 
Thanks again for helping me out.

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>LUNs and BCV are not "UNIX Terminology". LUNs is SCSI terminology.
Basically, an LUN is similar in concept to a device address in zSeries
(no, that is not 100% technically correct). 
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Re: UNIX Terminology

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> 
> Thanks John for the tip.  I will check out both sites.  As 
> you can tell I am a novice and I mixed the terminology 
> thinking that both terms as I had described were UNIX.  Can I 
> impose upon you one more time to tell me where I could look 
> for SCSI and EMC terminologies as well.
>  
> Thanks again for helping me out.
> 

Well, EMC is a DASD vendor. I hope their site http://www.emc.com has
some sort of glossary.

I did a fast Google search (remember, Google is your friend!). This one
looked fairly nice.
http://support.clubmac.com/display.asp?r=405, but not very in depth.
This one has more definations. http://www.paralan.com/glos.html But
neither is really a "everything you wanted to know about SCSI, but were
afraid to ask" type site. Again, Google is your friend!


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Re: UNIX Terminology

[Bruce Black]

Here are a couple of good places to start to look up computer terms

http://www.instantweb.com/foldoc/  computing dictionary

http://www.acronymfinder.com/

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/

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Re: UNIX Terminology

[Ted MacNEIL]

...
BCV
...

I think that this is not a UNIX term.

It stands for “Business Continuity Volume”, and is prevalent in 
Disaster/Recovery.

But, I would also try the MVS-OE listserv.

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Re: UNIX Terminology

[Rolf Ernst]

I have countless O'Reilly books. They have this 'Cookbook' series, which 
is highly recommended. Nobody beats them in quality in their field.


/re

willie bunter wrote:

Good Morning to all.  


Can anybody point me to a website which would have all UNIX terminologies.  I 
have browsed through quite a few sites but they contained all the commands and 
basic terminologies.  For instance I am looking for a definition for LUNS or 
BCV etc.  So far I have come up empty.  I would appreciate if anybody could 
recommend a site for UNIX for dummies (myself) that would help me out.

Thanks in advance to you all.

 



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Re: UNIX Terminology

[willie bunter]

Hi Rolf,
 
Are they availble on the INTERNET?  If not where could I find them?
 
Thanks 

Rolf Ernst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have countless O'Reilly books. They have this 'Cookbook' series, which 
is highly recommended. Nobody beats them in quality in their field.

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willie bunter wrote:

>Good Morning to all. 
> 
>Can anybody point me to a website which would have all UNIX terminologies. I 
>have browsed through quite a few sites but they contained all the commands and 
>basic terminologies. For instance I am looking for a definition for LUNS or 
>BCV etc. So far I have come up empty. I would appreciate if anybody could 
>recommend a site for UNIX for dummies (myself) that would help me out.
> 
>Thanks in advance to you all.
>
> 
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Re: UNIX Terminology

[willie bunter]

Thanks to all for your help.  

Bruce Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Here are a couple of good places to start 
to look up computer terms

http://www.instantweb.com/foldoc/ computing dictionary

http://www.acronymfinder.com/

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/

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Re: UNIX Terminology

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 07/12/2005
   at 07:44 AM, willie bunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Are they availble on the INTERNET?

They're real beasts[1]. Try http://www.ora.com for an introduction.

[1] Look at their cover art.
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[John Gilmore]

John McKown writes:

| I never heard of "broken brackets" for < and >. Just "less than" and
"greater than".

Context is all!  In such notation as

 ::= 0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9

'<' and '>' are often called broken brackets.  The ALGOL definition
document, for example, uses this term, as do many descriptions of BNF.

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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Bernd Oppolzer]

I never knew how to call this sign correctly: &

in Germany, it's simply called: "und" (that's: and)
or "Kaufmanns und", that is, merchant's and.

Almost nobody here knows what an ampersand is.

But some day one of my co-workers called it "Brezel" -
you know, what a brezel is? Look here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brezel

This is very descriptive, IMO, so I now prefer to call it brezel,
which is kind of accepted in the community here :-)

Have a nice weekend,
regards

Bernd



Am 18.11.2011 15:02, schrieb McKown, John:

Since it is now Friday, how about

/ is a solidus, aka a slash
\ is a reverse solidus, aka a backslash
# is an octhothrope, aka a hash mark or pound sign. Not to be confused with "pound 
sterling" sign.
! is a "bang" - I learned that long ago in college on a Xerox Sigma 7 system.
#! is normally pronounced "shebang" in UNIX. I guess a verbal slurring of "hash 
bang" together.

When speaking, I often say "square bracket" and "curly brace" (open or close) just 
because people often don't know a brace from a bracket from a parenthesis. And let's not even talk about 
carets ^. And what is the proper word for that PL/1 "not" sign ¬ ?

I never heard of "broken brackets" for<  and>. Just "less than" and "greater 
than".

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Brackets? Oh, you mean parentheses: ( )
Brackets are: [ ] (not "square brackets", just "brackets")
Braces are: { } (not "curly braces", just "braces")

Another common use for obscure terms.

When I was in high school English brackets was an acceptable term.
When I took FORTRAN brackets was an acceptable term.
When I took C square brackets and curly (brackets or braces)
were acceptable terms.
My profs used them.
Why, after almost 40 years, why do we have more retroactve
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Ken Hume IBM]

We always called the * a "splat".

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On 11/18/2011 7:02 AM, McKown, John wrote:

Since it is now Friday, how about

/ is a solidus, aka a slash
\ is a reverse solidus, aka a backslash
# is an octhothrope, aka a hash mark or pound sign. Not to be confused with "pound 
sterling" sign.
! is a "bang" - I learned that long ago in college on a Xerox Sigma 7 system.
#! is normally pronounced "shebang" in UNIX. I guess a verbal slurring of "hash 
bang" together.

When speaking, I often say "square bracket" and "curly brace" (open or close) just 
because people often don't know a brace from a bracket from a parenthesis. And let's not even talk about 
carets ^. And what is the proper word for that PL/1 "not" sign ¬ ?

I never heard of "broken brackets" for<  and>. Just "less than" and "greater 
than".

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Brackets? Oh, you mean parentheses: ( )
Brackets are: [ ] (not "square brackets", just "brackets")
Braces are: { } (not "curly braces", just "braces")

Another common use for obscure terms.

When I was in high school English brackets was an acceptable term.
When I took FORTRAN brackets was an acceptable term.
When I took C square brackets and curly (brackets or braces)
were acceptable terms.
My profs used them.
Why, after almost 40 years, why do we have more retroactve
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[zMan]

Since the point of this thread is pedantry, that's "octothorpe", and "PL/I".

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:02 AM, McKown, John
 wrote:
> Since it is now Friday, how about
>
> / is a solidus, aka a slash
> \ is a reverse solidus, aka a backslash
> # is an octhothrope, aka a hash mark or pound sign. Not to be confused with 
> "pound sterling" sign.
> ! is a "bang" - I learned that long ago in college on a Xerox Sigma 7 system.
> #! is normally pronounced "shebang" in UNIX. I guess a verbal slurring of 
> "hash bang" together.
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer
> 
> I never knew how to call this sign correctly: &
> 
> in Germany, it's simply called: "und" (that's: and) or "Kaufmanns
und", that is, merchant's and.
> 
> Almost nobody here knows what an ampersand is.
> 
> But some day one of my co-workers called it "Brezel" - you know, what
a brezel is? Look here:
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brezel

In English we spell it "pretzel".  Frequently served with beer (bier?).

The ampersand rather closely resembles a pretzel (brezel).  :-)

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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[John Gilmore]

This 'Shebang'---There is of course another one--- is not just a
verbal slurring of 'Hash Bang'.  It has a much more elegant name.  It
is a conflation.

Consider, just in English, to which they are not confined,

o   Edmund Spenser: wrizzled (wrinkled + frizzled)

o   Shakespeare: glaze (glare + gaze)

o·  Lewis Carroll: slithy (slimy, lithe), chortle (chuckle, snort),
snark (snake, shark), galumph (gallop, triumph)

They have a long, much (even too much) discussed literary history
under this rubric, and Carroll talks about them repeatedly in his
letters to Ellen Terry.

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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Ian]

>John McKown writes:
>
>I never heard of "broken brackets" for < and >. Just "less than" and "greater 
>than".


You probably never heard of  "Left Banana" , "Right Banana" for "(" and ")"  
then?  :-)

Mike X, a  great dba and all around great guy I worked with many years ago used 
to use those terms for ().

"scootchie left" and "scootchie right" was his chosen terms for getting you to 
move the cursor.


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Re: Terminology RE: USS

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> 
> >John McKown writes:
> >
> >I never heard of "broken brackets" for < and >. Just "less 
> than" and "greater than".
> 
> 
> You probably never heard of  "Left Banana" , "Right Banana" 
> for "(" and ")"  then?  :-)
> 
> Mike X, a  great dba and all around great guy I worked with 
> many years ago used to use those terms for ().
> 
> "scootchie left" and "scootchie right" was his chosen terms 
> for getting you to move the cursor.
> 
> 
> Ian.
> http://www.cicsworld.com

No, I hadn't. But I __like__ it. Formal adoption in progress!

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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In ,
on 11/18/2011
   at 08:02 AM, "McKown, John"  said:

>#! is normally pronounced "shebang" in UNIX. I guess a verbal
>slurring of "hash bang" together.

I doubt it; my guiess is that the term is short for "shell bang"; it's
used with the file of a shell or language processor, e.g., bash, Perl.

#!/usr/bin/perl -W
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on 11/18/2011
   at 07:57 AM, Ken Hume IBM  said:

>We always called the * a "splat".

I believe that is the norm in EUnix circles. Likewise bang for "!" and
shebang for "#!".
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

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In , on 11/18/2011
   at 07:57 AM, Ken Hume IBM  said:

>We always called the * a "splat".

I believe that is the norm in EUnix circles. Likewise bang for "!" and
shebang for "#!".
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/18/2011
   at 09:14 AM, John Gilmore  said:

>'<' and '>' are often called broken brackets.  The ALGOL definition
>document, for example, uses this term, as do many descriptions of
>BNF.

Neither "REPORT ON THE ALGORITHMIC LANGUAGE ALGOL 60" nor "Revised
Report on ALGOL 60" use the term "broken bracket". Perhaps you are
confusing "broken bracket" with "bracket".

There is a term brocket in the Hacker's Dictionary that appears in a
lot of other jargon files, but I found no sign of anybody actually
using the term when defining a new language.
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

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In
,
on 11/18/2011
   at 09:14 AM, John Gilmore  said:

>'<' and '>' are often called broken brackets.  The ALGOL definition
>document, for example, uses this term, as do many descriptions of
>BNF.

Neither "REPORT ON THE ALGORITHMIC LANGUAGE ALGOL 60" nor "Revised
Report on ALGOL 60" use the term "broken bracket". Perhaps you are
confusing "broken bracket" with "bracket".

There is a term brocket in the Hacker's Dictionary that appears in a
lot of other jargon files, but I found no sign of anybody actually
using the term when defining a new language.
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Tony Harminc]

On 18 November 2011 11:01, John Gilmore  wrote:
> This 'Shebang'---There is of course another one--- is not just a
> verbal slurring of 'Hash Bang'.  It has a much more elegant name.  It
> is a conflation.
>
> Consider, just in English, to which they are not confined,
>
> o       Edmund Spenser: wrizzled (wrinkled + frizzled)
>
> o       Shakespeare: glaze (glare + gaze)
>
> o·      Lewis Carroll: slithy (slimy, lithe), chortle (chuckle, snort),
> snark (snake, shark), galumph (gallop, triumph)
>
> They have a long, much (even too much) discussed literary history
> under this rubric, and Carroll talks about them repeatedly in his
> letters to Ellen Terry.

I am surprised at conflation being used this way. I understand
conflation to carry implication of at least some degree of error or
confusion, intentional or otherwise. This etymology of "Shebang" may
well involve conflation, but the word itself is surely better called
by Carroll's now quite standard term portmanteau.

Tony H.

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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Farley, Peter x23353]

When I read your questions, I had to admit that I have no idea what "ITIL" 
stands for, so I looked it up.  According the "The Free Dictionary" site:

Information Technology Infrastructure Library - (ITIL) A method of organising 
the system and network management departments of large organisations. ITIL 
defines the (work) processes involved and the interfaces between them.

I suspect that few on this list will have any answers for your questions (I 
certainly don't) because the large US organizations that (some of us) work for 
are not organized by that standard.  I wasn't even aware of the term, and I 
suspect I am not alone in that regard.

Perhaps this is a European standard of organization?  The spelling of 
"organising" and "organisations" with an "s" rather than a "z" suggests a UK 
origin.  US spelling uses "z" in that word.

Sorry not to be much help for you.

Peter

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> 
> 1) What term is used for the Mainframe System itself?
> 2) What are the common names of the Mainframe Organizations in the
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[John Gilmore]

It is not an exclusively British undertaking.  In particular, the
Japanese are heavily involved.

Googling 'ITIL' will yield a great many glossaries, introductions,
certification curricula, etc., etc., etc.

The entire movement is long on terminology, standardization, and
bureaucracy and short on technical innovation.

It is not one of my enthusiasms; but it is entirely respectable.
There are consulting firms, the obvious ones, that have specialty
practices in advising large organizations on its optimal use.


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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Greg Shirey]

Really?  A Userid of "MainframeJunkie" for an email address of "themeddler1" 
and then this question without a signature line??  

I have to wonder what's really behind this question, but perhaps others see it 
less cynically than I. 

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I have been asked what the common ITIL term in the industry is for "Mainframe". 
Basically, these are the questions:

1) What term is used for the Mainframe System itself?
2) What are the common names of the Mainframe Organizations in the industry? 
The larger organization as a whole and not the individual departments.

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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[R.S.]

W dniu 2012-01-11 18:18, MainframeJunkie pisze:

I have been asked what the common ITIL term in the industry is for "Mainframe". 
Basically, these are the questions:

1) What term is used for the Mainframe System itself?
2) What are the common names of the Mainframe Organizations in the industry? 
The larger organization as a whole and not the individual departments.

I have little experience with ITIL, so hopefully I phrased this question 
properly. Thank you in advance for the assistance.


ITIL has literally nothing to do with "mainframe" term. The issue is as 
abstract as asking about ITIL term for "duck" (the bird), or magnesium 
(or gibberish).


BTW: what do you mean by "mainframe system"?
BTW2: what do you mean by "mainframe organization"?

I could guess that "mainframe system" means some IT system used in 
business, which is based on mainframe.
For the second - maybe it's any company (and not only) that use 
mainframe, like Wal-Mart or NASA, or Bank of America, or Volvo.



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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Jonathan Goossen]

Peter,
You are correct in what ITIL stands for. The British started it. It 
migrated to the US when companies wanted to cut costs. Several years ago I 
was required to go through training and passed my certification for the 
first level.

ITIL is a collection of best practices for running a company's IT. It 
deals with processes and is equipment independent. ITIL doesn't have 
terminology for mainframes.

Thank you and have a Terrific day!

Jonathan Goossen, ACG, CL
Tape Specialist
ACT Mainframe Storage Group
Personal: 651-361-4541
Department Support Line: 651-361-
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11:59:24 AM:

> From: "Farley, Peter x23353" 
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: 01/11/2012 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> 
> When I read your questions, I had to admit that I have no idea what 
> "ITIL" stands for, so I looked it up.  According the "The Free 
> Dictionary" site:
> 
> Information Technology Infrastructure Library - (ITIL) A method of 
> organising the system and network management departments of large 
> organisations. ITIL defines the (work) processes involved and the 
> interfaces between them.
> 
> I suspect that few on this list will have any answers for your 
> questions (I certainly don't) because the large US organizations 
> that (some of us) work for are not organized by that standard.  I 
> wasn't even aware of the term, and I suspect I am not alone in that 
regard.
> 
> Perhaps this is a European standard of organization?  The spelling 
> of "organising" and "organisations" with an "s" rather than a "z" 
> suggests a UK origin.  US spelling uses "z" in that word.
> 
> Sorry not to be much help for you.
> 
> Peter
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
> > Behalf Of MainframeJunkie
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:19 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> > Subject: ITIL Mainframe Terminology
> > 
> > I have been asked what the common ITIL term in the industry is for
> > "Mainframe". Basically, these are the questions:
> > 
> > 1) What term is used for the Mainframe System itself?
> > 2) What are the common names of the Mainframe Organizations in the
> > industry? The larger organization as a whole and not the individual
> > departments.
> > 
> > I have little experience with ITIL, so hopefully I phrased this 
question
> > properly. Thank you in advance for the assistance.
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Bill Fairchild]

This reminds me of ISO 9000 about 20 years ago.

Bill Fairchild

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Peter,
You are correct in what ITIL stands for. The British started it. It migrated to 
the US when companies wanted to cut costs. Several years ago I was required to 
go through training and passed my certification for the first level.

ITIL is a collection of best practices for running a company's IT. It deals 
with processes and is equipment independent. ITIL doesn't have terminology for 
mainframes.

Thank you and have a Terrific day!

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Tape Specialist
ACT Mainframe Storage Group
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IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 01/11/2012 
11:59:24 AM:

> From: "Farley, Peter x23353" 
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: 01/11/2012 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> 
> When I read your questions, I had to admit that I have no idea what 
> "ITIL" stands for, so I looked it up.  According the "The Free 
> Dictionary" site:
> 
> Information Technology Infrastructure Library - (ITIL) A method of 
> organising the system and network management departments of large 
> organisations. ITIL defines the (work) processes involved and the 
> interfaces between them.
> 
> I suspect that few on this list will have any answers for your 
> questions (I certainly don't) because the large US organizations 
> that (some of us) work for are not organized by that standard.  I 
> wasn't even aware of the term, and I suspect I am not alone in that 
regard.
> 
> Perhaps this is a European standard of organization?  The spelling 
> of "organising" and "organisations" with an "s" rather than a "z" 
> suggests a UK origin.  US spelling uses "z" in that word.
> 
> Sorry not to be much help for you.
> 
> Peter
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
> > Behalf Of MainframeJunkie
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:19 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> > Subject: ITIL Mainframe Terminology
> > 
> > I have been asked what the common ITIL term in the industry is for
> > "Mainframe". Basically, these are the questions:
> > 
> > 1) What term is used for the Mainframe System itself?
> > 2) What are the common names of the Mainframe Organizations in the
> > industry? The larger organization as a whole and not the individual
> > departments.
> > 
> > I have little experience with ITIL, so hopefully I phrased this 
question
> > properly. Thank you in advance for the assistance.
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Mike Schwab]

The requirements:
1. Write a business plan.
2. Follow it.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Bill Fairchild
 wrote:
> This reminds me of ISO 9000 about 20 years ago.
>
> Bill Fairchild

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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Henrichon, Ryan]

A common phrase used in ITIL to refer to mainframes in my shop is
"Enterprise Server". However the term "Mainframe" gets used more than
"Enterprise Server" does by techies.

What is true about any "best practices" or "new process" that a company
uses; it is only as good as how involved the employee's are that are
using it.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Bill Fairchild
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:08 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

This reminds me of ISO 9000 about 20 years ago.

Bill Fairchild

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Behalf Of Jonathan Goossen
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:29 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

Peter,
You are correct in what ITIL stands for. The British started it. It
migrated to the US when companies wanted to cut costs. Several years ago
I was required to go through training and passed my certification for
the first level.

ITIL is a collection of best practices for running a company's IT. It
deals with processes and is equipment independent. ITIL doesn't have
terminology for mainframes.

Thank you and have a Terrific day!

Jonathan Goossen, ACG, CL
Tape Specialist
ACT Mainframe Storage Group
Personal: 651-361-4541
Department Support Line: 651-361-
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> From: "Farley, Peter x23353" 
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: 01/11/2012 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology Sent by: IBM Mainframe 
> Discussion List 
> 
> When I read your questions, I had to admit that I have no idea what 
> "ITIL" stands for, so I looked it up.  According the "The Free 
> Dictionary" site:
> 
> Information Technology Infrastructure Library - (ITIL) A method of 
> organising the system and network management departments of large 
> organisations. ITIL defines the (work) processes involved and the 
> interfaces between them.
> 
> I suspect that few on this list will have any answers for your 
> questions (I certainly don't) because the large US organizations that 
> (some of us) work for are not organized by that standard.  I wasn't 
> even aware of the term, and I suspect I am not alone in that
regard.
> 
> Perhaps this is a European standard of organization?  The spelling of 
> "organising" and "organisations" with an "s" rather than a "z"
> suggests a UK origin.  US spelling uses "z" in that word.
> 
> Sorry not to be much help for you.
> 
> Peter
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On

> > Behalf Of MainframeJunkie
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:19 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> > Subject: ITIL Mainframe Terminology
> > 
> > I have been asked what the common ITIL term in the industry is for 
> > "Mainframe". Basically, these are the questions:
> > 
> > 1) What term is used for the Mainframe System itself?
> > 2) What are the common names of the Mainframe Organizations in the 
> > industry? The larger organization as a whole and not the individual 
> > departments.
> > 
> > I have little experience with ITIL, so hopefully I phrased this
question
> > properly. Thank you in advance for the assistance.
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Cris Hernandez #9]

I suspect ITIL (cert org?) refers to mainframes by their proper nomenclature as 
designated by the manufacturer and ditto it's OS.  To me, "mainframe" is 
synonymous with IBM for both manufacturer and OS, but Unisys uses the term 
mainframe as well.   No doubt people here will like to be exact with the OS 
name right down to the version number, but MVS still works for me.  However, it 
been a long time since I got the ITIL cert and don't remember it having squat 
to do with a mainframe.  

My favorite term for the "mainframe organization" was just plain "data center" 
or DPC, for "data processing center".  we had a helluva softball team, 
regularly beat up on those college kids in programming, and had some serious 
brawls with the team from building mntce/mailroom...

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> Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 12:18 PM
> I have been asked what the common
> ITIL term in the industry is for "Mainframe". Basically,
> these are the questions:
> 
> 1) What term is used for the Mainframe System itself?
> 2) What are the common names of the Mainframe Organizations
> in the industry? The larger organization as a whole and not
> the individual departments.
> 
> I have little experience with ITIL, so hopefully I phrased
> this question properly. Thank you in advance for the
> assistance. 
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Thomas Kern]

When filling in an ITIL based Configuration management database, I used the 
basic "server"
definition for a mainframe. Then I created new entities for LPAR being "part 
of" the
mainframe server, and Virtual Machine also being part of a server or an LPAR. I 
also use
the Virtual Machine definition as part of an ESX Cluster and an OVM server 
pool. I have
not yet had to define a straight Xen server or a KVM server, but I will get 
around to them.

BTW, there is an ITIL/ITSM based 
Helpdesk/ChangeManagement/ConfigurationManagement program
out there. It is called OTRS with the ITSM add-on. It can run on a windows pc 
if you want
to experiment or do it just for yourself. It can also run under linux (mine is 
in an ESX
Virtual Machine, but it should be portable to linux under z/VM).

/Tom Kern

On 1/11/2012 12:18, MainframeJunkie wrote:
> I have been asked what the common ITIL term in the industry is for 
> "Mainframe". Basically, these are the questions:
> 
> 1) What term is used for the Mainframe System itself?
> 2) What are the common names of the Mainframe Organizations in the industry? 
> The larger organization as a whole and not the individual departments.
> 
> I have little experience with ITIL, so hopefully I phrased this question 
> properly. Thank you in advance for the assistance. 
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Richards, Robert B.]

I, too, got certified (or, according to some, certifiable) at the foundation 
level.

The "mainframe" could be a configuration item (CI) and should probably just be 
classified as a "server". CI specification varies from company to company.  

Bob

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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:29 PM
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Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

Peter,
You are correct in what ITIL stands for. The British started it. It 
migrated to the US when companies wanted to cut costs. Several years ago I 
was required to go through training and passed my certification for the 
first level.

ITIL is a collection of best practices for running a company's IT. It 
deals with processes and is equipment independent. ITIL doesn't have 
terminology for mainframes.

Thank you and have a Terrific day!

Jonathan Goossen, ACG, CL
Tape Specialist
ACT Mainframe Storage Group
Personal: 651-361-4541
Department Support Line: 651-361-
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Scott Ford]

Plan the work
Work the pan


Regards,
Scott

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Mike Schwab  wrote:

> The requirements:
> 1. Write a business plan.
> 2. Follow it.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Bill Fairchild
>  wrote:
>> This reminds me of ISO 9000 about 20 years ago.
>> 
>> Bill Fairchild
> 
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Joel C. Ewing]

I Googled ITIL and found http://www.itil-officialsite.com, looked at 
several of the introductory documents, and found them very heavy on 
MBA-like generalizations and abstractions.  If you didn't know anything 
about corporate Information Technology to start with, you could read one 
58-page intro and still not have the vaguest idea that the main object 
of IT is to solve corporate business problems by 
conceptualizing/designing/acquiring/maintaining computer application 
programs and selecting/acquiring/maintaining/operating the necessary 
computer hardware on which to run those applications.  The documentation 
I saw seemed oblivious that the basic management issues in corporate IT 
deal with computer hardware and computer applications, but instead just 
talked about managing "resources". I wasn't terribly impressed.


There have been times when teacher training in this country spent 
entirely too much time with "Education" courses learning how to teach 
and not enough time mastering the subjects they were supposed to teach. 
 Corporations run into trouble when they have too many MBA managers who 
think they can manage the manufacture of "widgets" without understanding 
"widgets".  What little I have seen of ITIL so far reminds me of those 
approaches applied to IT.  Just calling a mainframe a "server" or a 
"resource" encourages a management mindset that doesn't take into proper 
account its unique qualities that continue to distinguish it from lesser 
platforms and continue to justify its existence.


I doubt if there are any pure "mainframe organizations" in today's 
corporate IT world, rather "Data Processing", "Information Technology", 
"Information Services", or some similarly named corporate Division, 
which may maintain a mainframe as part of its much larger corporate 
computer hardware inventory.  A large corporate IT division will 
typically be subdivided into many functional subdivisions which include 
in some fashion Application Development and Maintenance, Workstation 
support, End-User IT Help Desk, Technical Support, Operations, 
Production Control, etc..  Many of these functional sub-areas must deal 
with or manage across multiple platforms, not just mainframe or 
non-mainframe.


IBM mainframes have also traditionally been called "Processing Systems" 
(the box(es)that house the central processing elements, processor 
memory, and I/O channels, and related control), to distinguish them from 
the separate box(es) that house DASD Disk Storage Subsystems, Tape 
Subsystems, etc., all of which may also be collectively thought of as 
"the mainframe"; but that term (mainframe) is less used by those closest 
to actual management of one.  Specific mainframes systems are much more 
frequently referred to by their model family or type, as in IBM z9, or 
IBM z10 rather than by some useless generic IBM Marketing name like 
"Enterprise Server".  The model family at least tells you the general 
functional capability, but little about the specific processing capacity 
(and cost), which has a wide variation even within the same processor 
family.


IBM Mainframes are probably more frequently known by Operations and 
Applications Development personnel by the Operating System that runs on 
the box (e.g., z/OS) rather than the hardware name; because this, rather 
than the hardware, most affects what interfaces those people see and 
must use on a daily basis.


End users (and non-IT managers) typically only see interfaces provided 
by Application systems, so in many cases they may not even be directly 
aware of the underlying Operating System or hardware platform used by 
those applications.

Joel C Ewing


On 01/11/2012 03:16 PM, Henrichon, Ryan wrote:

A common phrase used in ITIL to refer to mainframes in my shop is
"Enterprise Server". However the term "Mainframe" gets used more than
"Enterprise Server" does by techies.

What is true about any "best practices" or "new process" that a company
uses; it is only as good as how involved the employee's are that are
using it.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Bill Fairchild
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:08 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

This reminds me of ISO 9000 about 20 years ago.

Bill Fairchild

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Goossen
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:29 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

Peter,
You are correct in what ITIL stands for. The British started it. It
migrated to the US when companies wanted to cut costs. Several years ago
I was required to go through training and passed my certificatio

Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Chris Mason]

Scott

Does this mean that planning work leads to indigestion?[1]

-

A frivolous post for once - I promise to keep them to a minimum!

-

Chris Mason

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:02:40 -0500, Scott Ford  wrote:

>Plan the work
>Work the pan
>
>
>Regards,
>Scott
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Mike Schwab  wrote:
>
>> The requirements:
>> 1. Write a business plan.
>> 2. Follow it.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Bill Fairchild
>>  wrote:
>>> This reminds me of ISO 9000 about 20 years ago.

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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Jonathan Goossen]

I just checked our CMDB. We defined a category of Hardware / Computer / 
mainframe for the mainframes. Each mainframe is an item in the CMDB with 
this category. All hardware attached to a mainframe is related to it as 
are the LPARS that run on it. The LPARS have a category of Hardware / 
Partition / Main Frame.

I also see a category of Hardware / Computer / Server. So we separate our 
servers from our mainframes.

It looks like our tool, which I think was listed as ITIL friendly, lets us 
define the categories ourselves. I know that the view are defined by us. 
The components of the tool are real close to what I learned in ITIL class, 
but not an exact match.

Thank you and have a Terrific day!

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ACT Mainframe Storage Group
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IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 01/12/2012 
04:52:42 AM:

> From: "Richards, Robert B." 
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: 01/12/2012 05:42 AM
> Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> 
> I, too, got certified (or, according to some, certifiable) at the 
> foundation level.
> 
> The "mainframe" could be a configuration item (CI) and should 
> probably just be classified as a "server". CI specification varies 
> from company to company. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of Jonathan Goossen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:29 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology
> 
> Peter,
> You are correct in what ITIL stands for. The British started it. It 
> migrated to the US when companies wanted to cut costs. Several years ago 
I 
> was required to go through training and passed my certification for the 
> first level.
> 
> ITIL is a collection of best practices for running a company's IT. It 
> deals with processes and is equipment independent. ITIL doesn't have 
> terminology for mainframes.
> 
> Thank you and have a Terrific day!
> 
> Jonathan Goossen, ACG, CL
> Tape Specialist
> ACT Mainframe Storage Group
> Personal: 651-361-4541
> Department Support Line: 651-361-
> For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds 
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Thomas Kern]

I recommend that you create any new categories/definitions that you want to
subdivide/clarify your IT complex. As you create each entity, create your own 
glossary and
hand it out to the PC and Management types who don't yet understand Mainframe or
Enterprise Class IT architecture.

/Tom

On 1/12/2012 16:09, Jonathan Goossen wrote:
> I just checked our CMDB. We defined a category of Hardware / Computer / 
> mainframe for the mainframes. Each mainframe is an item in the CMDB with 
> this category. All hardware attached to a mainframe is related to it as 
> are the LPARS that run on it. The LPARS have a category of Hardware / 
> Partition / Main Frame.
> 
> I also see a category of Hardware / Computer / Server. So we separate our 
> servers from our mainframes.
> 
> It looks like our tool, which I think was listed as ITIL friendly, lets us 
> define the categories ourselves. I know that the view are defined by us. 
> The components of the tool are real close to what I learned in ITIL class, 
> but not an exact match.
> 
> Thank you and have a Terrific day!
> 
> Jonathan Goossen, ACG, CL
> Tape Specialist
> ACT Mainframe Storage Group
> Personal: 651-361-4541
> Department Support Line: 651-361-
> For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds 
> Toastmasters
> 
> 
> 
> IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 01/12/2012 
> 04:52:42 AM:
> 
>> From: "Richards, Robert B." 
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Date: 01/12/2012 05:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology
>> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>>
>> I, too, got certified (or, according to some, certifiable) at the 
>> foundation level.
>>
>> The "mainframe" could be a configuration item (CI) and should 
>> probably just be classified as a "server". CI specification varies 
>> from company to company. 
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Jonathan Goossen
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:29 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology
>>
>> Peter,
>> You are correct in what ITIL stands for. The British started it. It 
>> migrated to the US when companies wanted to cut costs. Several years ago 
> I 
>> was required to go through training and passed my certification for the 
>> first level.
>>
>> ITIL is a collection of best practices for running a company's IT. It 
>> deals with processes and is equipment independent. ITIL doesn't have 
>> terminology for mainframes.
>>
>> Thank you and have a Terrific day!
>>
>> Jonathan Goossen, ACG, CL
>> Tape Specialist
>> ACT Mainframe Storage Group
>> Personal: 651-361-4541
>> Department Support Line: 651-361-
>> For help with communication and leadership skills checkout Woodwinds 
>> Toastmasters
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Re: ITIL Mainframe Terminology

[Scott Ford]

Chris,
Just a typo from tiredness

Regards,
Scott

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Chris Mason  wrote:

> Scott
> 
> Does this mean that planning work leads to indigestion?[1]
> 
> -
> 
> A frivolous post for once - I promise to keep them to a minimum!
> 
> -
> 
> Chris Mason
> 
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:02:40 -0500, Scott Ford  wrote:
> 
>> Plan the work
>> Work the pan
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Scott
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Mike Schwab  wrote:
>> 
>>> The requirements:
>>> 1. Write a business plan.
>>> 2. Follow it.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Bill Fairchild
>>>  wrote:
 This reminds me of ISO 9000 about 20 years ago.
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Re: Game-theoretic terminology

[(IBM Mainframe Discussion List)]

 
In a message dated 3/16/2007 11:04:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>War is a negative-sum game.
 
Von Neumann's and Morgenstern's terminology may apply, but I prefer to  think 
of war as a negative-sum activity.
 
Bill Fairchild




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Re: Game-theoretic terminology

[Ted MacNEIL]

You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game


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Re: Game-theoretic terminology

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/16/2007
   at 04:03 PM, john gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>and he is of course free to use words as he likes.  Still, the
>standard von  Neumann-Morgenstern definitions of these terms are very
>different.

However, you caqn convert any game into a zero-sum game by adding one
player.
 
-- 
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 ISO position; see  
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
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New Terminology for MF Job Functions

[Lizette Koehler]

I found this ad on an employment website and was very amused.  However,
maybe I am just out of touch with today's terminology for our profession.

Wasn't this called in the old days an Operator with Production Control
functions?


 Description:
 Our client is looking for Server Specialist OS/390 

 5 years + Operating Mainframe/ As400.. running nightly batch
processing, fixing JCL abends. 
 Requirement:
 JCL



Lizette

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Re: New Terminology for MF Job Functions

[Kenneth E Tomiak]

Long ago I was told 'mainframe' people need to learn the business lingo. In my 
current role I no longer apply PTFs to the system, I apply patches. just the 
same lingo as the server people. PTFs cause a glazed look on auditors eyes in 
some shops, but they know what patches are. 

In the Navy I was an 'Operations Specialist', fancy title for Radar Operator on 
a computer based system. We were using a track ball in 1974!


On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:52:09 -0400, Lizette Koehler 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I found this ad on an employment website and was very amused.  However,
>maybe I am just out of touch with today's terminology for our profession.
>
>Wasn't this called in the old days an Operator with Production Control
>functions?
>
>
> Description:
> Our client is looking for Server Specialist OS/390
>
> 5 years + Operating Mainframe/ As400.. running nightly batch
>processing, fixing JCL abends.
> Requirement:
> JCL
>
>
>
>Lizette
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The IBM Terminology pages (Was: HFS file questions)

[Chris Mason]

Also sent directly to RS so nobody need worry that he probably blocks my 
contributions to the list.

Radoslaw

> hint: CSI has two Very_Official_IBM_Approved_Meanings

According to

http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/c.html

CSI means the following



consolidated software inventory (CSI)
A key-sequenced VSAM data set, used by SMP/E and logically divided into 
zones.



That is one not two.

Chris Mason

On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:17:24 +0100, R.S. 
 wrote:

>W dniu 2011-02-14 17:28, McKown, John pisze:
>> I would hope that context would make it clear (as it is here since HFS in 
IBM-MAIN is unique and unlikely to refer the MAC OS HFS filesystem) as to 
whether a question is about UNIX or VTAM. Unfortunately, at times, I have 
seen a message similar to the following:
>>
>> "Problem with USS. Please help!!!"
>>
>> and that is the complete message. Of course, being the louse that I am, I 
simply ignore those messages. If I cannot understand the question, or even 
the context into which the question should be placed, I ignore it completely. 
And the above example, I don't know if the person is having a problem with 
z/OS VTAM, z/OS UNIX, z/VM VTAM or the U.S. Navy.
>
>Let's assume the following example
>Topic: IEBGENER errors
>Content: when I'm trying to use IEBGENER to copy a dataset from tape to
>disk I get B37 reason code. Please help how to fix IEBGENER.
>
>(all the funnies intended, no JCL code provided, in further response we
>will see allocation TRK,1 in SYSUT1)
>
>What can we do with such question:
>a) ignore
>b) try to help despite the topic is wrong, description is bad too. We
>are here TO HELP EACH OTHER AND TO LEARN FROM OTHER'S RESPONSES.
>c) start new war just because it's not IEBGENER problem, B37 is not a
>reason - it's abend code, discuss what is official definition of 'abend'
>the 'reason code', finally start personal attacks.
>d) stay cryptic, just to show other that "I know the answer, but the
>question is wrong". "ITYM", "OTOH", "FSVO", "it's not my dog" and
>malicious remarks are welcome.
>e) combination of d) and c)
>
>I prefer b), sometimes a).
>
>
>
>
>Last but not least: if you really don't know what meaning of
>acronym/initialism is meant then ...you probably simply don't know the
>answer. Maybe because you don't know the problem, maybe the problem is
>not described well enough.
>
>Example: CSI problem. I have a problem with CSI. It's full. Can I alter
>it to be mutlivolume? Can it be Extended Addressability?
>(hint: CSI has two Very_Official_IBM_Approved_Meanings).
>
>Quiz: is the above about dataset used in SMP/e or rather Catalog Search
>Interface?
>
>Rhetorical: would it hurt to start the anser in the folowing manner:
>"I assume you mean SMP/E CSI dataset. You can..."
>
>
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>Lodz, Poland
>
>
>P.S. I like mail filtering. I did it for some USS warrior many moons
>ago. Everytime I see his responses quoted in other's mails I see it was
>good decision. I lose nothing except acerbities (taken from dictionary,
>I hope in proper meaning).

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