Re: [lace] Carmen's Lace

2021-10-10 Thread Karisse Moore
Janice, I put a picture of the handkerchief edging up on flicker. it is in the
Photo stream, I think about one or two in.KarisseOn Oct 9, 2021, at 9:45 AM,
Janice Blair  wrote:Karisse Moore, where is the photo
located that you refer to. ��I foundCarmen's website but I cannot read
Spanish. ��Give us a clue please.JaniceJanice Blair Murrieta,
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[lace] Carmen's Lace

2021-09-30 Thread Karisse Moore
I have been looking at pictures of the lace that Carmen has been making. Look
on the flicker account and you will see a handkerchief edging she is making.
By the way she is done with it and I am looking forward to seeing it off the
pillow. It is Ret-Fi lace that is very similar to Bucks Point lace.Here is my
question to you all. When you look at the work you can not see any pin holes
on either the inside or outside of the whole and half stitch work. How in the
world does she do that? I know that she adds a lot of bobbins when she does
the whole and half stitch parts of the lace because you can see all the
threads that she has cut the bobbins off of coming out of the pins. I know how
to do Bucks Point and I know how to do the net, the whole stitch,  the half
stitch but how does she make those without pinholes in the work?Karisse

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[lace] Picture on Flicker

2021-04-13 Thread Karisse Moore
My dear friends, I had Lin put up a picture of a lace handkerchief on Flicker
for me today. What I want to know is does anyone know where to get this
pattern? Do you know the lace maker? I am sure it is from Spain but I don't
know where. Thanks for your help.


Karisse 
Wet, Western, Washington State

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Re: [lace] Speed and efficiency in lace?

2020-11-24 Thread Karisse Moore
I am making lace for an alb. I want to get it done before I die and that may
take some two hours every day. LOL. Anyway if someone could research what the
women did who made it fast and accurate for a living, to put food on the table
and clothes on their backs, I would love to learn. I want to start with the
leather on the pillow.


Karisse
Windy, Cold Washington State

On November 24,
2020 at 8:58 AM, lynrbai...@supernet.com wrote:


Pierre et al,

That is the
famous lady at Kantcentrum whom I mentioned in a prior post on this thread.
She is just amazing.

A number of years ago, I made lace for two altar cloths.
It took over two years to finish the project, working at least 2 hours every
day. I felt I was experiencing, in a very small way, the way it was for the
commercial lace makers, doing it for money. For them, speed meant food on the
table. So learning to make lace as fast as I can, accurately, is something
that interests me. Clearly practice is important, but also there must be
certain techniques taught. I wonder if anyone has ever questioned the famous
lady at Kantcentrum as to what she was taught that made her so speedy.

Lyn in
Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where it is close to freezing, but also very
sunny, which is nice to have in November.


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Pierre
Fouche wrote?

Thank you for the wonderful video links, everyone! And to prove
the point
that speed is possible with many bobbins on the pillow (and Flanders
at
that!) too:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUHFZrJIzTo


(I love the
casual peek at the pair diagram next to her halfway through..)


It seems that
a one-hand "flick" of the pairs (fairly low on the bobbins'
shafts),
(continental bobbins, palms down) instead of picking them up is
this
lacemaker's technique.


I just tried it on the pillow, and it will take some
practice to get used
to, but it might be worth the effort! I normally pick up
the bobbins, and
if I try to work faster this way, the bobbins start to
"bounce" off the
pillow (and tangling them out of order). A light, one-handed
flick is a
much more efficient movement that would avoid this problem too.
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Re: [lace] Speed and efficiency in lace?

2020-11-23 Thread Karisse Moore





I think the idea of community effort to make a large project is a great
idea. I know that was practiced in the past to get a large project finished in
the smallest amount of time. Many different lace makers would work on a
portion of the lace and then a trained person would sew the pieces together. I
would love to participate in a project that was like that.


Karisse
Cold, wet
Washington State

On November 23, 2020 at 10:43 AM, Pierre Fouché
 wrote:


Hi Elena and Arachnids

I'm very intrigued
by this as well and find it interesting that
contemporary lacemakers don't
value speed and efficiency as much as
knitters do for example. Anyone who has
learned how to play a musical
instrument can attest to muscle memory not
happening after a week or a
month of practice, yet the reward for regular
practice is noticeable
improvement. The joy of experiencing your hands on
auto-pilot and your mind
seemingly blocking out every other stimulus with a
razor-like focus is a
"destination" worth practicing for. (I am not nearly
there at all... but I
have glimpsed a couple of "nearly there" moments)

Of
course, it doesn't help that many lacemakers are inquisitive of many
different
styles and techniques (the equivalent of taking up multiple
musical
instruments...)

I'm equally intrigued by the idea of communal work as a means
to create
efficiency - to have a collective work on a large scale project
("large" in
effort, and not necessarily in size) and of what value that could
be for
commemorative objects, or simply for building a community. From time to
time such projects arise, and they are all commendable, but it would be
great
to see more and to see lace collectives confidently engaging with
their
immediate communities *and* the broader public (through major public
art
commissions for instance...)

Please keep this conversation going? Any hack
might just turn out to be the
thing that was missing in someone's technique.
(That said, I've seen a
couple of unique knitters do very counterintuitive
finger gymnastics at
incredible speeds, so it might just boil down to practice
in the end.)

One thing I can highly recommend from experience is to sand and
polish your
DIY bobbins to the absolute smoothest finish you can because
super-careful
bobbin management on the pillow to keep your thread from
snagging slows
things down significantly. (Guess who's on sanding duty for the
next couple
of days in order to avoid that frustration again?)

Best


Pierre
Cape Town

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Re: [lace] Speed and efficiency in lace?

2020-11-23 Thread Karisse Moore
In the last few years it seems to me that we have emphasized perfection over
speed in making lace. I find that I am faster when I use continental bobbins
vs. using spangled bobbins. I have learned to do the the whole stitch where
you move both the cross and the twist together across the an area of whole
stitch. I have timed myself and I am about equal in time as doing it separate.
But I haven't practiced very much either. I will agree that practice makes
faster. I do try to make some lace everyday and I know it helps with muscle
memory. I think perfection is important when we are making pictures to hang on
the wall but I wonder if speed isn't more important if we are making yardage
to use on clothes. 


I am making some Bedfordshire to put on my masks and if
someone is so close to my mask that they can see a rogue twist or cross they
are all together too close to my mask. I just want to get some lace on my
face. LOL


Karisse in cold wet Washington State.

On November 23, 2020 at
9:59 AM, lynrbai...@supernet.com wrote:


Elena, I think I know the lady you
mean at Kantcentrum. I saw her when I spent a week there, in 2009, working in
the afternoons. She always sat in the corner with the most light, and had been
making lace since she was 7. At that time she was in her 70's. She was so
fast, and her work was beautiful. I think there are many videos of her hands
at work. Yesterday, at the online lecture, there was a video of women from
near Le Puy en Velay, you could tell by their bobbins, going quickly. I'm
wondering if one slowed down the motion of these videos, an experienced
lacemaker could pick up tips. And thanks, Nancy Neff, for your suggestion on
cloth stitch. Sounds workable to me. Big motifs in Flanders come to mind.

Lyn
in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where all the leaves are off the trees, as always
happens the week before Thanksgiving. We are eating takeout from a local
restaurant for Thanksgiving, just the two of us. Sure saves time from cooking
for lace.


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Elena wrote:

Agreed, they are just
breathtaking! I have a video of a lacemaker at
Kantecentrum that I share in
most of my lectures for graduate classes and I
always warn them that they will
probably be disappointed with the speed of
my live demonstration at the end
after watching this video. :)
Best,
Elena

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[lace] Beds pattern

2020-11-02 Thread Karisse Moore
Well, I love to have a challenge and so I have decided to make a lace that is
in the Lace Dealer's Pattern Book. But I have to pricking. I tried to make a
pricking but was not successful so I am going to ask all of you dear
lacemakers if you maybe have or know of a pricking for this pattern. I can't
put the picture up here and I am not sure I can put it up on the web without
permission but if you have the book can you look for me. It it on sheet 42,
Line 1, B. 


lf we can put the picture up on the web I will. Thanks to you
all and your great resources.


Karisse
The Knotty Lacer

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[lace] Miss Channer's Mat

2020-04-16 Thread Karisse Moore
I have made the mat in white thread. Here are my answers to your questions.
1. I was putting in and taking out pairs of bobbins all along the way so I
didn't get a whole number count for the number of bobbins used in all. It will
also depend on the size of thread you use and the tension on your cloth stitch
areas how many threads you want. Also the size of thread will make a
difference in the number of bobbins. Thicker thread will take less bobbins and
thinner thread more. Depends on what you are used to or what you like.


2.
When it comes to thread you do have a choice of colors now, materials such as
linen, cotton, and silk. If you use linen then the mat will be firmer, Cotton
not as firm, and silk will be very soft. Depends on what you like. And of
course there are all sorts of sizes of threads.


3. Once again on the gimp
bobbins you will be taking the gimps in and out. There will not be one line of
gimp that goes all the way through the whole piece.


4. My advice is to get
Alexander Stillwell's book on Floral Bucks Point Lace and read it from cover
to cover. Her other book called Geometrical Bucks Point Lace is also a good
resource. There are many good books to find ways to solve the problems Miss
Channer's mat will present you. See it as a puzzle and if one technique does
not produce the look you want then try another.  


That my two bits on Miss
Channer's mat.


Karisse Moore
Now in Mt. Vernon, Washington 

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[lace] Lace in the present

2005-11-03 Thread Karisse Moore
I have been offering and teaching tatting and bobbin lace through the local 
college. I thought that I would only get a few students and that they would 
mostly be older. But that is not the way it has turned out. I have four to 
eight new students at each class and they are young, 8-13years old and 
older, above 80. I have been doing this for two years now and the local 
Hobby Lobby store has increased the tatting thread and shuttles it sells. I 
know that when the students go in and ask for the tatting equipment they are 
told that the only equipment they have are tatting needles, but when they 
get back to that section of the store there are shuttles.


In offering these classes through the local college means I have a wide 
spread base of people who learn about lace and are given the opportunity to 
learn something new. My classes in the summer are the big ones and the 
classes during the school year have fewer students.


It is always interesting to me during the first class to have the students 
tell me about how they learned about tatting or bobbin lace.


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[lace] Re:Lace around a window

2005-07-08 Thread Karisse Moore

Dear Spiders,

Before I comment on the window lace I want to add my prayers and thoughts to 
those in London. My heart is so sad.



You all have very good ideas. I like the one of mixing the lace and maybe 
doing the trails and leaves in bobbin lace and some of the flowers in 
tatting. I am going to try the heavy starched tatting idea and see if it 
works. If I did tight tatting then if I starched it and put it up, when I 
move or if it gets terribly dusty I could put it in the washing machine and 
wash out the starch and dirt and then redo the starch when I get to a new 
home. I hope I don't move for at least 5 more years.


I don't want to do traditional lace in the window like lace curtains. I have 
that in all the bathrooms and the living room. This window looks out on the 
back yard of dogs and sons and husbands so I thought I could do something 
different.


I have never tried wire lace so I think I will try heavy cotton and see what 
happens. I will take pictures and get back with you. Please don't expect it 
next week. I am slower than that.


What weight of cotton thread or string would be best? I like the idea of 
rolling the string up and not using a shuttle. Maybe I could get my husband 
to carve me a huge shuttle?


Good thoughts.
Karisse in hot central Texas, where it did manage to rain after 4 weeks of 
heat. 


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[lace] Lace around a window

2005-07-07 Thread Karisse Moore
Well, it all started out with a new paint job in my kitchen and now I want 
to put lace around the three windows that look out on my backyard. I was 
thinking that I could do painting but I don't paint flowers or stencil and I 
wanted to use an art or craft form that I didn't have to learn.


Maybe I could do a pattern in tatting using really big thread and glue it to 
the wall. I could do one color and have it look like carved wood or 
something in plaster. Or I could use bright colored thread and have it look 
very folk art.


Then I remembered that I like the look of Bruges lace and that style of lace 
has all sorts of wonderful flowers to make. I was reading a very old copy of 
Lace magazine and found instructions on making three D Bruges and that gave 
me another idea. Again I could use one color of thread and have the lace 
look carved or I could use bright colors.


But, would thread be a good medium to glue to the wall and when I leave this 
house could I take all my work off the wall and take it with me?


So I was thinking maybe I could do this in wire Bruges. I would get 
different color wire and rather thick. Or I could do it in black and have it 
look like wrot iron.


What do you all think? Please help me with this idea. Prose and Cons. Right 
now the idea is just in the beginning stages. Has anyone done something like 
this before. I know that Lanka has done great art in wire lace. I am not 
planning on doing anything like that. I just want something to go around my 
windows, kinda like stenciling or toile painting.


Thanks for your ideas,
Karisse
Hot Central Texas where we all are trying to stay inside where it is cool. 


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[lace] Re: lace on E-Bay

2005-07-01 Thread Karisse Moore
I am not knowlegeable about the history of lace at all. I have never seen 
any real old lace like from England and all. I was interested that the 
description said there was no stains and yet one of the pictures shows that 
there is a stain. Having read what Tamara said I would be suspicious of the 
claim that are made for this piece. I am not going to bid on it but it was 
great to see some hand made work that is so beautiful.


Karisse, from Hot Central Texas 


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[lace-chat] Re: demonstration hours

2005-04-02 Thread Karisse Moore
If we can't count the hours we are going to demonstrate lace in the lobby at 
IOLI I was just wondering about some of my hours.

I sometimes sit in front at Hobby Lobby and demonstrate tatting to advertise 
my tatting class at the local Jr. College. Would those be counted as 
demonstration hours? Just wondering.

Karisse
Central Texas where the blue bonnets are booming. 

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[lace] Auction pictures

2004-08-27 Thread Karisse Moore
OK, If it took 10 women, 10 years to make one of those shawls then if you
put that into today and todays pay checks that would mean each shawl cost
how much to make?   Let's see I will give it a guess that women make about
$30,000.00 a year, more or less, times ten is $300,000.00. Right? That times
10 years is $3,000,000.00, right? I can bet that is not what those shawls
and those skirts are going to sell for. I am going to be interested in see
who buys them and for how much. I hope they know how valuable those huge
pieces of lace really are.

Karisse
Central TX

 I don't know about the rest of you but those pictures of the lace put up
 for
 auction makes me drool. I wonder how long it took to make those wonderful
 Chantilly skirts and how many women worked on them

i was told it took ten lacemakers ten years to make one of those huge 19th
century chantilly shawls ... and each worked  10cmx20cm lengths that were
then put together with an invisible stitch by another specialised worker .
i saw  all this very well explained in the Chantilly museum .
ps. i love Chantilly lace ! and Chantilly cream but that's another
story ...

dominique from Paris .

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[lace] Auction

2004-08-25 Thread Karisse Moore
I don't know about the rest of you but those pictures of the lace put up for
auction makes me drool. I wonder how long it took to make those wonderful
Chantilly skirts and how many women worked on them and how much they cost
when they were first bought and how much compared to a days wage that was?
When I look at the work I do now and am so proud of a small 3 X 5 inch
square I can't even imagine making or being part of the group of women who
made, those skirts. Yes, I sure will dream about wearing one of those as I
sit and make my 3 X 5 inch squares.

Karisse
Central TX

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[lace] New Pictures

2004-08-04 Thread Karisse Moore
I have put some new pictures up on my page.

http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewallalbumID=150101200

I have been working on the Bucks mat all year and strugleing with what
filling to put in the four middle sections. I have put the pricking up and
if any of you know what Bucks filling is suppose to be put there please let
me know. Or if this pricking is not a bucks point pricking please let me
know. Anyway I learned a lot from doing this mat. I had no picture and no
instructions except the pricking itself. This is the piece I was doing that
used so many bobbins. The pricking kept climbing up the pins. One other
thing about the pricking climbing up the pins is that when I took the pins
out from the back of the mat I think that pulling up also helped the
pricking to rise. I don't know. Enjoy looking an comenting. I need lots of
advice.

Karisse
Hot and Humid, Central TX

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[lace] Karisse's lace Pictures

2004-08-04 Thread Karisse Moore
I am sorry you couldn't get in to see my pictures. Try this address and see
if you can get in and look. I would appreciate any feed back on the bucks
point mat that you all can give. Thanks

http://community.webshots.com/user/karissem


Karisse
Hot, over 100, Central Texas

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[lace] Lots of Passives

2004-07-28 Thread Karisse Moore
I have only done buckspoint and I don't know anything about chantille,
anyway I do have experience with lots of passives on the head side of the
lace. When I get more than four passives I work a whole stitch through the
first pair of the passives and then threat the next three pair like a single
thread and hold one pair up the next down the next up and so forth until the
last pair before the pico. I work a whole stitch with that pair and make the
pico. On the way back I only bring the pair that made the pico through the
first two or three pair, not usually all the way back into the lace. I use
one of the closer pair to go into the lace.

I am doing a large piece now that has lots of passives in the head side and
I am just taking out some of the pairs when I get more than about 6 or 7 and
adding them again when I need them down farther in the lace. But I am
lacing rather alone and don't have good input into what is done in these
situations. I know that lacemakers used to have solutions to these problems
and talked about them like I talk about how to deal with pet hair now.

Your idea about putting a pin in to hold the threads of the bobbins you
aren't using has made all the difference for me in this project. I don't
know why I didn't think of that. I am having my husband make me some of
those huge pins out of hangers for me. One advantage of using those is
that they keep the bobbins in order and I won't have to spend so much time
straightening them out when I change places to work on.

Karisse
Hot and Humid Central Tx

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[lace] Stiffening lace bookmarkers

2004-07-27 Thread Karisse Moore
One of the things that I want in a book mark is to be stiff, real stiff. So
I take mine to a copy store like Kinko's or Office Max and have them
laminated in a pocket laminating plastic. These come in several different
weights and are like two sheets of plastic connected at one end. I place my
bookmarks in between the sheets and the attendant puts the sheets through a
heating machine that seals the two plastic sheets together. I take it home
and cut the bookmarks out and punch a hole in the top for a ribbon . I don't
have to worry about the lace getting dirty and I don't have to worry about
it ever loosing it's stiffness. I also have put messages on small colored
paper in with the lace. I have no idea if this lace will last forever or if
the plastic will destroy it some day, but it works for me now.

Karisse
Hot and Humid central Texas

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[lace] Pattern lifting

2004-07-22 Thread Karisse Moore
My dear friends I am so glad you are there to correct and inform. I am
working on a rectangle bucks point pattern that is about 4X6 inches. I have
it on a relatively flat cookie pillow. I didn't have any wrinkles in the
pattern to pin out on the edges when I put the pattern on the pillow. As I
have worked down the pattern the card stock worked up off the pillow but the
lace itself did not work up the pins. I slanted the edge pins to the side
and back so the lace was held tight against the pricking and did not move up
the pins. But the pricking card itself moved up the pins. I was wondering if
a pattern like this was worked on a bolster pillow, if the pricking card
would stay on the bolster pillow. I have worked many yards of buckspoint
lace on roller pillows and not had the problem of the pricking card coming
up from the pillow. But when I work a pattern on a cookie type pillow I have
this problem.

I can't see how one would take care of all the bobbins on a bolster pillow
when you are working a large pattern like this that uses so many pairs of
bobbins. I have midland spangled bobbins because I like to use them with my
roller pillows and my cookie pillows to do bucks point but if I went to
using a huge bolster pillow to make this wide lace what do I do with the 300
to 400 bobbins while I am working with the 10 to 20? How did they keep the
bobbins from all coming down in front? Did they wrap the extra bobbins in
cover clothes and pin them to the side? Did they tie them together and pin
them to the side?

Has anyone worked a pattern wider than 4 inches and used more than 300
bobbins on a bolster pillow? Thanks for your help and your ideas. And I
think I am bonkers too just to think about making some lace like this. OK,
bucks thumper is what I meant. Thanks for the smile.

I have Christine Springettes book on Fine Buckinghamshire Point lace
patterns and I am thinking about making some of the lace in this book but I
don't want to fight the patterns coming off the pillow and so I was
wondering if I would have to make a huge bolster pillow like I have seen in
some pictures of ladies making point lace.

Karisse
Killeen, Tx where the heat and humidity are making me a litttle bonkers

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[lace] Straw pillows

2004-07-17 Thread Karisse Moore
I can't help but laugh when I read about getting straw out of a field and
making a pillow. I did just that and got alot of straw to make a Honiton
pillow. I had not seen or felt a real honiton pillow so when I made mine
out of straw I started with the directions in Elsie Luxton's first book. I
am a school teacher so I took it to school with me and had my students jump
up and down on the straw pillow to make it hard. They loved putting straw in
the pillow and then jumping up and down on it. I had heard that someone made
one hard by running the car over it so that it mashed together well.

I had no idea what a firm or hard honiton pillow felt like so I had no
idea when to stop the jumping. The students soon burst the seams and I, not
wanting to loose all that hard work, made a larger pillow case and put the
old one in it and stuffed straw around the broken one. I then jumped on the
pillow until it was done.

Now I have a very hard, like wood hard, honiton pillow that weighs in around
15 lbs and is about 50 inches in diamiter and 12 inches high. My dear
husband made me a special table to hold it. When I don't use the table to
hold it, I put it on the floor and sit there to work on it. That is
comfortable for me as I am used to working on the floor teaching 3,4 and 5
year olds.

Karisse
Killeen, TX

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[lace] Straw pillows

2004-07-17 Thread Karisse Moore
Yes, I did mean circumference not diameter. But I have another question. I
have noticed in some of the pictures of people making bucks point lace that
is very wide, like more than 4 inches wide, that they are making the lace on
very large cylinder pillows. Would that help with the pattern coming up from
the pillow? I have a problem with the pattern coming up from the pillow when
I do bucks on a cookie pillow. My husband thinks it is the stretching of the
pattern when I put the pins in. I know we have discussed this on lace
before. I was wondering if spangled midland bobbins were used on those large
cylinder pillows or just the bucks bonkers?

Karisse
Killeen, TX

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[lace] Iron On Lace Patterns

2004-07-13 Thread Karisse Moore
I wanted to tell you all that the magazine Pizzo de Cantu is in Italian and
here is the web site for the people who publish it.

http://www.manidifata.it/VediEdicola.cfm?Cod=25CodProd=891

There are two magazines out so far and I found both in San Antonio. But I am
sure that other lace suppliers will have them too. I think the instructions
are very clear in pictures. I don't know Italian but I do know Spanish so I
can decipher some of what it written.

Karisse in Texas
Hot and humid summer

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[lace] Iron on patterns

2004-07-12 Thread Karisse Moore
I was shopping in San Antonio, TX at a small store called the Yarn Barn and
found some magazines with Cantu lace in them. What intrigued me was that the
patterns were to be ironed on the pricking card like you would iron on an
embroidery pattern to a piece of cloth. Has anyone tried this and how does
it work out and do the markings come off the pricking onto your lace? Oh,
lots of questions. The name of the magazine is Pizzo di Cantu Do you need
to cover the pricking with something after you iron it on? Just wondering
who has had experience with these and what it was?

Karisse A. Moore
Killeen, Texas

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