Re: [MBZ] Saga of the missing part number - W123 heater hose
Trust me - it's a rubber hose. I am not a master tech but I do know the difference between steel and rubber. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:06:38 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I received the following email from the MB Classic Center regading a part number for a leaky heater hose in my 1983 300TD: The part between 281 and 290 is a heater pipe assembly. And it’s discontinued. *Thomas Hanson* That means it's not a rubber hose, but a steel pipe. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Buy them from the dealer. You'll pay close to the same as aftermarket, and have no worries about where they came from. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wretched SEL
Reach out to this guy on BenzWorld: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2292073-mb-ignition-wire-sets-hand-made.html#post11457009 He's a former dealer tech and a good guy. Not sure if he'll sell parts, but he might. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Having finally had enough, I caved and took the car in for a professional diagnosis. The fuel system tested OK, and there _are_ vacuum leaks that will have to be dealt with. The most amusing result was that one of my _new_ Beru spark plug wires was open-circuit. (Though I believe it was a short gap that would fire anyway, a bit. The plug was not any different-looking than the rest.) I speculated, and cut open the plug end. The 1K resistor was open-circuit. I bridged it with a piece of iron wire, and taped it back together. What a rickety POS now. Still, the car was running better yesterday after this operation, more time will tell. No way it'll hold up very long. So, where do I get _one_ screw-on (machine screw threads, not wood screw) Beru spark plug connector? Or, barring that, _one_ new Beru spark plug wire? Really don't want to part with the cash to get another entire set. I have some old Bosch connectors, but they're all wood-screw. (Hmm, I wonder if the Beru has a machine-screw end that I can see, but that _that_ bit has a wood screw that screws into the wire itself? Still, it's working now. I'd hate to take it apart again and make it worse, just trying to find out that detail.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More Crazy Weather Not to Worry About
Who is Andy? On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's about the time Paul Ehrlich was telling us all that we were going to freeze and starve in the cold and dark due to global cooling and whatnot. --R On 6/10/15 10:44 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: In 1969 and 1970 we had a bunch of crazy weather. Many pundits blamed it in the moon rocks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq
We should only invade countries the size of - or smaller than - Grenada. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:02 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq War is not won until the enemy begs you to stop killing them On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:29 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, sneaking into another one; probably gonna be home by Christmas, as usual. That's what I've heard too many times, anyway. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq How tragic. The war that we'd already won under G.W. Bush is now slowly being turned into another micro-managed-from-the-oval-office slowly growing conflict, sure to take the lives of some of the young Americans sent there by Obama. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/10/obama-approves-sending-up-to-450-more-us-troops-to-iraq/ - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Daimler enters the home batteries market
AUTOS:Following Tesla, Daimler enters the at-home battery space Published: Thursday, June 11, 2015 Last summer, Tesla Motors Inc., in a move meant to stimulate improvements in electric vehicle technology and an expansion of the sector, made its patents free to outsiders. Since then, Toyota Motor Corp., Hyundai Motor Co. and Ford Motor Co. have opened up alternative fuel patents, too, and Audi AG announced plans in February to buy patents from Ballard Power Systems, a fuel cell producer. Two days ago, Daimler AG, the corporate parent of Mercedes-Benz and Smart, unveiled a product that again has Tesla looking like an automotive tastemaker -- a residential and commercial electric battery. Customers can now order Mercedes-Benz's private energy storage plants, knee-high silver towers each with 2.5 kilowatt-hours in electric storage capacity. The company will present the batteries at the Intersolar trade show in Munich today and Friday, Daimler said in a statement http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia/0-921-657589-1-1820346-1-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0...@aj.a1.s177018-0-0-0-0.html?TS=1433965032404 . Deliveries are set to begin in September, and Daimler has not revealed a price or name for the electric units. Daimler said Tuesday that owners can combine up to eight batteries, which will be available for companies and private households, into a 20-kWh system. In May, Tesla announced a similar electric battery system, the Powerwall, a sleek lithium-ion block that buyers can mount on their walls, as well as the Powerpack, 100-kWh batteries for utilities (*ClimateWire* http://www.eenews.net/climatewire/stories/1060017795/, May 1). Owners will be able to stack as many as nine Powerwalls. The Powerwall comes in 7- and 10-kWh versions, for $3,000 and $3,500, respectively, which doesn't include installation costs. I think it's fascinating to see this development, Karl Brauer, a senior analyst with Kelley Blue Book, said in a call about the Daimler battery. As photovoltaic systems drop in price, become easier to install and maintain, and get more energy efficient, car and battery companies are going to scramble into the power storage business, he said. In October, Daimler sold the last of its 4 percent stake in Tesla. At the time, the company said it would continue to purchase electric batteries from Tesla for its 87-mile-range B-Class plug-in electric car. Mercedes offers its own at-home charging stations. Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk told shareholders this week the company will double the power output of the Powerwall (*ClimateWire* http://www.eenews.net/climatewire/stories/1060019963, June 10). Batteries are going to be huge, Brauer said. I think you're going to keep seeing this come up, he said, adding that if Musk, through Tesla or otherwise, can profitably produce batteries, that could dwarf anything he could come up with related to cars. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More Crazy Weather Not to Worry About
Yeah that reminds me, another of the scare tactics used by the left back in the 80's was the nuclear winter theory. Maybe we just need a good dust-up (so to speak) with Roosha or Cheena, with most of the dust'n on their side, and that will counteract the global warming. Yet another example of how nuclear power is the answer, no matter what the question is... - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's about the time Paul Ehrlich was telling us all that we were going to freeze and starve in the cold and dark due to global cooling and whatnot. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1998 Mercedes ML320 $1000
Worst case scenario - yard art! On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Take a wad and go buy it --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 1998 Mercedes ML320 http://tulsa.craigslist.org/ctd/5067962076.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wretched SEL
Having finally had enough, I caved and took the car in for a professional diagnosis. The fuel system tested OK, and there _are_ vacuum leaks that will have to be dealt with. The most amusing result was that one of my _new_ Beru spark plug wires was open-circuit. (Though I believe it was a short gap that would fire anyway, a bit. The plug was not any different-looking than the rest.) I speculated, and cut open the plug end. The 1K resistor was open-circuit. I bridged it with a piece of iron wire, and taped it back together. What a rickety POS now. Still, the car was running better yesterday after this operation, more time will tell. No way it'll hold up very long. So, where do I get _one_ screw-on (machine screw threads, not wood screw) Beru spark plug connector? Or, barring that, _one_ new Beru spark plug wire? Really don't want to part with the cash to get another entire set. I have some old Bosch connectors, but they're all wood-screw. (Hmm, I wonder if the Beru has a machine-screw end that I can see, but that _that_ bit has a wood screw that screws into the wire itself? Still, it's working now. I'd hate to take it apart again and make it worse, just trying to find out that detail.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some. I think they are all chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway. Who knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings. Go to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness. You can change both of them in an afternoon easy enough. Get new pads too. --R On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Bill Ricker 1958-2015
Complications of liver failure, quietly in his sleep. More details as I have them. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More Crazy Weather Not to Worry About
That's about the time Paul Ehrlich was telling us all that we were going to freeze and starve in the cold and dark due to global cooling and whatnot. --R On 6/10/15 10:44 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: In 1969 and 1970 we had a bunch of crazy weather. Many pundits blamed it in the moon rocks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 71 years and a day
You can find those shows on the PBS web site and if you have an AppleTV (and maybe other streaming devices) there is a PBS app that has them for viewing. You can pause and check them out. If you watch on your computer you can get a screen shot to save and study. Amazing writeup BTW. I can't even imagine what that must have been like. --R On 6/10/15 11:22 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: I saw most of that show, too, though I missed first few minutes. 'Could be, if the craft were an LCI(L) with infantry ramps that come down on each side near the bow (not a Higgins boat). Whenever I see one of those scenes now, I try to study the person(s) for recognition; so far, 'haven't recognized one as my brother, Lewis (Little Boats). They're not usually in view long enough, unless one just by chance matches my memory of him 70+ years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 71 years and a day Watching part of a Nova program tonight about D Day. One of the first scenes I saw had guys in a landing craft. The helmets had white arcs on them. Maybe it is little Boats and his group! Thanks Wilton! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 11:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: WILTON Subject: [MBZ] 71 years and a day And we should never florget. I wrote the folllowing several years ago. Some of you may hjave seen it before. LITTLE BOATS AND 6 JUN 1944 By Wilton W. Strickland My brother, Lewis Clyde Strickland, then 21 and with 3 1/2 yrs in the US Navy, was the senior noncommissioned officer (NCO)/leader of a 48-man platoon of the 6th Naval Beach Battalion that went ashore on Omaha Beach, France, at 0730 on the 6th of June, 1944, to clear obstacles, secure the beach and control traffic to, from and on the beach. The unit was composed of many specialties, including demolition, signalmen, radiomen, riflemen, doctors, medical corpsmen (medics), bulldozer operators and others - whatever necessary to manage the beach. They wore army combat uniforms and trained with the Army for the invasion. The only thing visible to distinguish them from army troops was an arc painted across the front of their helmets. Most of the men in his platoon were teenagers just 17, 18 and 19 years old. Several of the older men had been in the invasion of Sicily and a few, such as Lewis, had been in the invasion of North Africa, where his ship had been sunk just offshore in Oct '42. Though small in stature, Lewis was a giant in courage, dedication to accomplishing the mission, determination and care for the men in his platoon. He served as their mentor, their mother, their father, their leader. They affectionately called him, Little Boats, in honor of his Navy specialty, boatswain's or boson's mate. Ensign Joe Vaghi, just out of college and new to the Navy when he became the platoon's Officer-In-Command (OIC) in late '43, said of Little Boats in 2001, He taught me everything I ever needed to know about the Navy. Little Boats died of pneumonia in 1997. The platoon had trained extensively for several months with army troops at Camp Bradford, VA, Fort Pierce, FL, and Swansea, Wales. They were delivered to Omaha beach on LCI(L) 88, (an infantry landing craft) operated by members of the US Coast Guard, as were many of the vessels in the invasion fleet. In 2001, I had the very distinct honor and pleasure of interviewing several of Little Boats' men and several of the equally brave Coasties (US Coast Guard) who delivered them to the beach on that fateful day of June 6, 1944, the memory of which should make all Americans, British, Canadians and other allies stand tall with pride. Most of the following is excerpted from those interviews: One of the seventeen-year-old riflemen, Seaman John Hanley, remembers, We formed up on the main deck of the LCI at the top of the port (left) ramp. Ensign Vaghi was # 1, and his assistants, Ensign Wright # 2, BM/1C Little Boats Strickland was # 3, I was # 4, and several of the other young riflemen were immediately behind me. As we approached the line of departure, we could see smoke from the shelling rising from the beach. About that time, an LCT coming out of the smoke off the beach on our port side let off a barrage of rockets. The German 88's had him straddled; you could see the shells hitting the water 8 to 10 feet behind 'im. She was at battle speed - 8 or 9 knots, and that's the last I saw of the LCT - we started passing 'im - we were coming up on the beach for the landing. Ensign Vaghi adds, On the beach were multiple rows of different types of obstacles, some with mines on them - tank traps, landing craft traps and
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
Randy wrote: It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. That is the classic symptom of master cylinder failing. Fluid getting past the main seals. Often, if you move the pedal hard and fast it will still catch and once there is pressure the seals usually seal. A slow, gentle press will allow the pedal to sink to the floor. If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? I failed to find a kit. But I did not check with Classic Center. And I have 123s, not 115s. In either case, where would one best look for parts? Rusty. Oh yeah. *sigh* I'll bet Dan will say a dealer. I would try to figure out the brand of the OEM (Bendix? ATE? Or is that just slaves?) and then use RockAuto, AutohauseAZ, FLAPs, etc. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
Here you go, Randy. http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=b3tbpv45pvq2g4mclkt5ua2mmakeid=800016@Mercedesmodelid=1193666@300Dyear=1976cid=master cylinder@master cylindergid=1836@Brake Master Cylinder On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Randy wrote: It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. That is the classic symptom of master cylinder failing. Fluid getting past the main seals. Often, if you move the pedal hard and fast it will still catch and once there is pressure the seals usually seal. A slow, gentle press will allow the pedal to sink to the floor. If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? I failed to find a kit. But I did not check with Classic Center. And I have 123s, not 115s. In either case, where would one best look for parts? Rusty. Oh yeah. *sigh* I'll bet Dan will say a dealer. I would try to figure out the brand of the OEM (Bendix? ATE? Or is that just slaves?) and then use RockAuto, AutohauseAZ, FLAPs, etc. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
What is the collective view on rebuilt units? If I could get a kit, I would have no qualms about putting it in but those days seem to be behind us. I guess it is the result of labour costs in the shops. People are not willing to pay the cost of having kits installed - just faster and cheaper to throw in a new or rebuilt unit even if it is not as good as the original. I would guess, given the car is close to 40 years old that it is just the rubber giving up but I suppose we would not know if the bore was corroded by water in the brake fluid eating away at it over time unless we opened it up first. That AutohausAZ unit claims it is new oem but with the grommets is pushing $300 US and with our dollar the way it is, that will run closer to $400 Cdn plus 13% tax at the border. Ugh! Cannot complain too much as I have had the car about 10 years and have done little or nothing to it. Have not driven it all that far either but it has been reliable to date. RB On 11/06/2015 3:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Randy wrote: It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. That is the classic symptom of master cylinder failing. Fluid getting past the main seals. Often, if you move the pedal hard and fast it will still catch and once there is pressure the seals usually seal. A slow, gentle press will allow the pedal to sink to the floor. If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? I failed to find a kit. But I did not check with Classic Center. And I have 123s, not 115s. In either case, where would one best look for parts? Rusty. Oh yeah. *sigh* I'll bet Dan will say a dealer. I would try to figure out the brand of the OEM (Bendix? ATE? Or is that just slaves?) and then use RockAuto, AutohauseAZ, FLAPs, etc. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] master cylinder repair kit???
will just tear up again if the bore is corroded. At least a reman has the bore bored out then these things used. --R On 6/11/15 6:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=310053cc=1193666jnid=482jpid=0 So what do you think? I am tempted to try it and see what happens. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
I got a reman for like $40 for the 123. Not hard to put in, at that price you can go through a bunch, though not sure why a reman would not work, I think they just machine the bore and put in a slightly larger plunger or o-rings, nothing too magic about that. The one I got had a lifetime warranty, so cheap enough. --R On 6/11/15 5:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: What is the collective view on rebuilt units? If I could get a kit, I would have no qualms about putting it in but those days seem to be behind us. I guess it is the result of labour costs in the shops. People are not willing to pay the cost of having kits installed - just faster and cheaper to throw in a new or rebuilt unit even if it is not as good as the original. I would guess, given the car is close to 40 years old that it is just the rubber giving up but I suppose we would not know if the bore was corroded by water in the brake fluid eating away at it over time unless we opened it up first. That AutohausAZ unit claims it is new oem but with the grommets is pushing $300 US and with our dollar the way it is, that will run closer to $400 Cdn plus 13% tax at the border. Ugh! Cannot complain too much as I have had the car about 10 years and have done little or nothing to it. Have not driven it all that far either but it has been reliable to date. RB On 11/06/2015 3:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Randy wrote: It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. That is the classic symptom of master cylinder failing. Fluid getting past the main seals. Often, if you move the pedal hard and fast it will still catch and once there is pressure the seals usually seal. A slow, gentle press will allow the pedal to sink to the floor. If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? I failed to find a kit. But I did not check with Classic Center. And I have 123s, not 115s. In either case, where would one best look for parts? Rusty. Oh yeah. *sigh* I'll bet Dan will say a dealer. I would try to figure out the brand of the OEM (Bendix? ATE? Or is that just slaves?) and then use RockAuto, AutohauseAZ, FLAPs, etc. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] master cylinder repair kit???
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=310053cc=1193666jnid=482jpid=0 So what do you think? I am tempted to try it and see what happens. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
What is the collective view on rebuilt units? If I could get a kit, I would have no qualms about putting it in but those days seem to be behind us. I guess it is the result of labour costs in the shops. People are not willing to pay the cost of having kits installed - just faster and cheaper to throw in a new or rebuilt unit even if it is not as good as the original. I would guess, given the car is close to 40 years old that it is just the rubber giving up but I suppose we would not know if the bore was corroded by water in the brake fluid eating away at it over time unless we opened it up first. That AutohausAZ unit claims it is new oem but with the grommets is pushing $300 US and with our dollar the way it is, that will run closer to $400 Cdn plus 13% tax at the border. Ugh! Cannot complain too much as I have had the car about 10 years and have done little or nothing to it. Have not driven it all that far either but it has been reliable to date. RB IMHE: get new or reman. If you try to put in new parts (cups), you find a rusty bore, crusted with crap. Then if you clean it up, you end up with a pitted bore and a leaky MC. The alternative is to bore it and put in a sleeve of SS or brass, but then it costs more than a new MC in every case I have looked at. If you had your own machine shop and time, I'd sleeve em. I don't, so I don't. I think the last one I bought was a beck arnley from FLAPS. I have one from cRock auto, but it has not been installed yet. Looks ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] master cylinder repair kit???
Not I BTDT and won't again. http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=310053cc=1193666jnid=482jpid=0 So what do you think? I am tempted to try it and see what happens. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Your choice. The darn things are heavy and costly to ship. Last time I did this job, genuine MBZ disks were surprisingly inexpensive (like $50 each). I usually re-bolt the wheel to the hub (just 2-3 bolts) to hold the hub while I loosen and tighten the bolts that hold the disk to the hub (and I blue-Loctite those bolts). -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:25 AM My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ, less a 10 percent MB Club discount. No thanks.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Southeast asia
Greetings from the Philippines! I'm here for the next 8 days teaching a class to new co-workers. Apparently it makes more sense to send me here than 8 of them to the states. After traveling for 26 hours (thats door to door) I can see why.The highlight of the trip was when I scored a bulkhead seat in the 787 from BOS-NRT. The 787 is amazing and the huge legroom in a bulkhead seat is nice. JAL gives nice wide seats too although the bulkhead seats get small TVs.From NRT to MNL was a 767 and although I had and aisle seat I was cramped almost to my tolerance limit the whole way, of course that was after the 12 hour flight BOS-NRT and a 3 hour layover... Anyway I'll be working 10pm-7am local time which corresponds with 10am-7pm EDT so other than for the next 3 days (remember its Friday morning here right now) I'll be working just 1 hour off my normal US schedule. Driving to the hotel yesterday I noticed that diesel is about 30 PHP (Philippine pesos) a litre, there are about 45 pesos/USD so about $0.66/l. The car from the airport was a Camry (boring!) but I got to see loads of jeepneys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeepney which are pretty wild. They remind me of the route taxis that Angie and I rode in Barbados but are decorated more in a style I'd relate to India which isn't a big surprise since India isn't really all that far away. It was dark last night or I'd have tried to get a picture. I'll try to spot one today but I'm staying in Makati City which is pretty high class and I'm not sure they're allowed here... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Check this out
I was thinking that the 787 I was on the other day took off kind of steeply, or steeper than the smaller regional jets (737 or A320) I usually fly on but nothing like that! -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] Check this out http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/11/wow-boeing-plane-moves-down-the-runway-then-takes-off-in-a-way-youve-likely-never-seen-before/ Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Check this out
Zero passengers, zero cargo, Minimum fuel load, and a max preformance takeoff, in a new airplane with the companys blessing.. How could it be more fun!! . On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was thinking that the 787 I was on the other day took off kind of steeply, or steeper than the smaller regional jets (737 or A320) I usually fly on but nothing like that! -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] Check this out http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/11/wow-boeing-plane-moves-down-the-runway-then-takes-off-in-a-way-youve-likely-never-seen-before/ Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com 楶 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq
We didn't have much luck there last time... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq We should only invade countries the size of - or smaller than - Grenada. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:02 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq War is not won until the enemy begs you to stop killing them On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:29 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, sneaking into another one; probably gonna be home by Christmas, as usual. That's what I've heard too many times, anyway. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq How tragic. The war that we'd already won under G.W. Bush is now slowly being turned into another micro-managed-from-the-oval-office slowly growing conflict, sure to take the lives of some of the young Americans sent there by Obama. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/10/obama-approves-sending-up-to-450-more-us-troops-to-iraq/ - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
I feel like rebuilding a very old brake MC like yours is at best going to be hit or miss, theres no telling how much corrosion is in there. I bet theres no oversized cups or sleeves available so after you hone you might still need to buy a replacement anyway... For this I'd say buy a rebuilt, its not worth farting around rebuilding it yourself. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City Winnipeg has rivers going north south - The Red and east west - The Assiniboine so I thought that sort of fit. My good old 76 115 300D had a hiccup this morning, which is totally unlike it. I was at a light when the car creeped ahead. I thought I had a senior moment and had failed to keep my foot firmly planted on the brake. I stepped harder and it sat there for the duration of the red light, but on the next block, I stepped on the brake pedal and it essentially sank to the floor. Not a good thing in traffic. I drove it the few blocks home at lunch and put it back in the garage but something is wrong. It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. I have looked where it was parked and do not see any puddles of fluid. The resevoir does not look to be down. I shall have to look a bit closer to see if there is something leaking. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. Anyone have a better conclusion based upon the symptoms? If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? In either case, where would one best look for parts? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
Oh and I forgot to mention since this is a car that sits a lot when was the last time you changed the brake fluid? -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City Winnipeg has rivers going north south - The Red and east west - The Assiniboine so I thought that sort of fit. My good old 76 115 300D had a hiccup this morning, which is totally unlike it. I was at a light when the car creeped ahead. I thought I had a senior moment and had failed to keep my foot firmly planted on the brake. I stepped harder and it sat there for the duration of the red light, but on the next block, I stepped on the brake pedal and it essentially sank to the floor. Not a good thing in traffic. I drove it the few blocks home at lunch and put it back in the garage but something is wrong. It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. I have looked where it was parked and do not see any puddles of fluid. The resevoir does not look to be down. I shall have to look a bit closer to see if there is something leaking. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. Anyone have a better conclusion based upon the symptoms? If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? In either case, where would one best look for parts? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] master cylinder repair kit???
You can't beat the price. Michael E. Esh 231 894 5505 On Jun 11, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=310053cc=1193666jnid=482jpid=0 So what do you think? I am tempted to try it and see what happens. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been reported they do reasonable pricing for stealers. At least you would have a comparo to take to your local stealer. Don't waste Tony's time on the phone, just go to MBN's web site and look up the rotors, see what they cost. Heck, I just did it for you: 1985 300TD rotors Fronts $48.50 list, $33.95 plus freight. Rears $53.00 list, $37.10 plus freight. Tell the local stealer you'll give them $70 for two fronts, take it or leave it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wretched SEL
Wow, nice find, Jaime! Their part are surprisingly inexpensive. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You can get the parts here: http://www.beruparts.com I mostly buy parts and make my own sets these days. It's easier to ensure quality. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buymbparts.biz
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Jabba got the domain back some time ago. The registration expired, it went up for auction and he bought it. http://www.buymbparts.biz was what Rusty picked up after Hursty sold Bimby's domain name, right? Then Rusty sold the .biz domain to Trent, so Trent let it expire? Is this the outfit that Hursty sold Bimby to, or has it changed hands again? http://www.buymbparts.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Southeast asia
I used to go to Manila once a year, fun place to visit, but… Watch the jeepneys closely - each one of them has a specific religious theme of some sort, at least most of the ones I saw did. Amazingly, they’re unregulated but the primary means of transportation for the masses. They each run a regular route of sorts and have regular stops, at least that’s what the locals told me. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 7:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Greetings from the Philippines! I'm here for the next 8 days teaching a class to new co-workers. Apparently it makes more sense to send me here than 8 of them to the states. After traveling for 26 hours (thats door to door) I can see why.The highlight of the trip was when I scored a bulkhead seat in the 787 from BOS-NRT. The 787 is amazing and the huge legroom in a bulkhead seat is nice. JAL gives nice wide seats too although the bulkhead seats get small TVs.From NRT to MNL was a 767 and although I had and aisle seat I was cramped almost to my tolerance limit the whole way, of course that was after the 12 hour flight BOS-NRT and a 3 hour layover... Anyway I'll be working 10pm-7am local time which corresponds with 10am-7pm EDT so other than for the next 3 days (remember its Friday morning here right now) I'll be working just 1 hour off my normal US schedule. Driving to the hotel yesterday I noticed that diesel is about 30 PHP (Philippine pesos) a litre, there are about 45 pesos/USD so about $0.66/l. The car from the airport was a Camry (boring!) but I got to see loads of jeepneys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeepney which are pretty wild. They remind me of the route taxis that Angie and I rode in Barbados but are decorated more in a style I'd relate to India which isn't a big surprise since India isn't really all that far away. It was dark last night or I'd have tried to get a picture. I'll try to spot one today but I'm staying in Makati City which is pretty high class and I'm not sure they're allowed here... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Check this out
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/11/wow-boeing-plane-moves-down-the-runway-then-takes-off-in-a-way-youve-likely-never-seen-before/ Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] List Disabled
Once again, I have been disabled. It is happening almost daily now. This is getting old. I didn't have a problem when I was being dropped monthly, but daily is a little too much to expect, me thinks... Can someone fix this? Thx LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Disabled
You would probably want to either talk to Comcast or use a different email provider Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:42 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Once again, I have been disabled. It is happening almost daily now. This is getting old. I didn't have a problem when I was being dropped monthly, but daily is a little too much to expect, me thinks... Can someone fix this? Thx LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buymbparts.biz
FAIL x 2 Anybody checked out Rusty's old site lately? I went since I couldn't remember Hursty's buyeuroparts.com and found Under old management Gary Hurst PROPRIETOR WWW.BUYEUROPARTS.COM Interesting... -C ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq
The is a pretty-clear case of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. This piece may interest some: http://www.legion.org/magazine/226570/worlds-no-1-enemy -Original Message- From: Mann via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:14 PM If should'a and could'a were horses, all beggers would ride The last war this country entered and fought to win was WW2, and win we did, not only because of the men that went to battle, but because the people at home produced more equipment and material than the enemy to supply them. When they came home they supported and honored those men. Every war since then has been a police action with the goal of not defeating the enemy, but to contain them. Society in general has not supported these poorly defined police actions and neither has Congress. The police actions have been run by politicians, not military commanders, and the goals have been poorly defined to the citizens, yet many politicians have become wealthy while in office. So, I make the suggestions. If we fight, anywhere, let's fight to win. If a politician gets rich making war, let's treat them as the enemy. For example, Uranium mine rights sale... a recent example of things done below the table.. there are others. Like arms sales to Syria. Cloudy goals to deceive the public into loss of blood and treasure under the banner of war discuised as a police action, do not make a cause for war. Our present leadership only draws red lines in the sand to draw attention away from the brown streak down the back of his pants. IMHO. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We should only invade countries the size of - or smaller than - Grenada. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:02 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq War is not won until the enemy begs you to stop killing them On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:29 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, sneaking into another one; probably gonna be home by Christmas, as usual. That's what I've heard too many times, anyway. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq How tragic. The war that we'd already won under G.W. Bush is now slowly being turned into another micro-managed-from-the-oval-office slowly growing conflict, sure to take the lives of some of the young Americans sent there by Obama. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/10/obama-approves-sending-up- t o-450-more-us-troops-to-iraq/ - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
[MBZ] Buymbparts.biz
Anybody checked out Rusty's old site lately? I went since I couldn't remember Hursty's buyeuroparts.com and found Under old management Gary Hurst PROPRIETOR WWW.BUYEUROPARTS.COM Interesting... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Pads are a wear item, rotors are too but you should IIRC get 1 set of rotors for each 2 sets of pads. Maybe more. I put PBR rotors on my '83 240D, I got them from Rusty and Gary while told me they were junk and would wear out tomorrow (this was after the Rusty/Gary split) they gave good service over 25,000 miles until I junked the car. IIRC they were very cheap. Dr. Fatstuff has both Balo and Zimmerman in the sub$35 range for fronts, probably can't go wrong with either.For pads I'm sticking to Pagid from now on. My local CarQuest talked me into their house brand for my 190D rear brakes last time. I bought the best quality and they squeaked bad. Switched to Pagid which is what Gary recommended and the squeak went away. The CarQuest branded pads were like $8, Pagid were maybe $20. In this case since I had to do the job twice it would have made much better sense to go with Pagid in the first place. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] window rubber wipers
I also need the window brushes (L and R) that scrape dew/rain water off the windows. OEM costs $75 vs. $12 for a knockoff. Seems like quite a spread. Is itworth the difference? i would put a new cheap one on and see how long it lasts just try one and watch it i doubt if the oem lasts 6 times as long thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] window rubber wipers
I replaced those on my '83 240D with replacements sourced from Rusty. They lasted well but I only had the car for maybe 2 years. They're a fairly easy replacement so I wouldn't worry about it too bad. -Curt From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] window rubber wipers I also need the window brushes (L and R) that scrape dew/rain water off the windows. OEM costs $75 vs. $12 for a knockoff. Seems like quite a spread. Is itworth the difference? i would put a new cheap one on and see how long it lasts just try one and watch it i doubt if the oem lasts 6 times as long thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More Crazy Weather Not to Worry About
Andrew wrote: I agree with you about nuclear power, which was touted as too cheap to meter back in the 60s. Those were the days... Too cheap to meter is not as good as free as in the days of Nikolai Tesla, in the 1920's. As to melting snow... Is there any solution that I can participate with? or, do we watch weather do its thing and we do the foolish prediction of what will happen. Has it happened yet? Can we do anything today? Or do we need to wait 2 or 4 years from now to vote... i.e political trash-talk... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buymbparts.biz
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 21:05:22 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Jabba got the domain back some time ago. The registration expired, it went up for auction and he bought it. http://www.buymbparts.biz was what Rusty picked up after Hursty sold Bimby's domain name, right? Then Rusty sold the .biz domain to Trent, so Trent let it expire? Is this the outfit that Hursty sold Bimby to, or has it changed hands again? http://www.buymbparts.com/ .. Garys parts website is at: www.buyeuroparts.com Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Southeast asia
Actually according to wiki they are in fact regulated. As near as I could tell you could pick out the route based on the design of the Jeepney. We drove through where they were parked and I picked out maybe a dozen different ones. All the ones we passed leaving the airport were mostly the same. At first I thought they were all the same one until I looked closer, paying attention I could see differences in turn signals, lighting, etc. Makati City reminds me of LA in a lot of ways, its clearly a business district designed to attract western business and as such is pretty clean and safe. Just did a skype session with Angie which was a nice way to check in. Interestingly my Republic Wireless cell phone works perfectly if I have wifi. It works not at all if I don't but that basically means I can travel and call home for no extra cost. Of course I can't use it to call in-country but thats not a huge concern. Our office is supposedly 300 meters from here so I shouldn't need to make many calls. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Southeast asia I used to go to Manila once a year, fun place to visit, but… Watch the jeepneys closely - each one of them has a specific religious theme of some sort, at least most of the ones I saw did. Amazingly, they’re unregulated but the primary means of transportation for the masses. They each run a regular route of sorts and have regular stops, at least that’s what the locals told me. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 7:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Greetings from the Philippines! I'm here for the next 8 days teaching a class to new co-workers. Apparently it makes more sense to send me here than 8 of them to the states. After traveling for 26 hours (thats door to door) I can see why.The highlight of the trip was when I scored a bulkhead seat in the 787 from BOS-NRT. The 787 is amazing and the huge legroom in a bulkhead seat is nice. JAL gives nice wide seats too although the bulkhead seats get small TVs.From NRT to MNL was a 767 and although I had and aisle seat I was cramped almost to my tolerance limit the whole way, of course that was after the 12 hour flight BOS-NRT and a 3 hour layover... Anyway I'll be working 10pm-7am local time which corresponds with 10am-7pm EDT so other than for the next 3 days (remember its Friday morning here right now) I'll be working just 1 hour off my normal US schedule. Driving to the hotel yesterday I noticed that diesel is about 30 PHP (Philippine pesos) a litre, there are about 45 pesos/USD so about $0.66/l. The car from the airport was a Camry (boring!) but I got to see loads of jeepneys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeepney which are pretty wild. They remind me of the route taxis that Angie and I rode in Barbados but are decorated more in a style I'd relate to India which isn't a big surprise since India isn't really all that far away. It was dark last night or I'd have tried to get a picture. I'll try to spot one today but I'm staying in Makati City which is pretty high class and I'm not sure they're allowed here... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wretched SEL
You can get the parts here: http://www.beruparts.com I mostly buy parts and make my own sets these days. It's easier to ensure quality. Jaime On Thursday, June 11, 2015, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Having finally had enough, I caved and took the car in for a professional diagnosis. The fuel system tested OK, and there _are_ vacuum leaks that will have to be dealt with. The most amusing result was that one of my _new_ Beru spark plug wires was open-circuit. (Though I believe it was a short gap that would fire anyway, a bit. The plug was not any different-looking than the rest.) I speculated, and cut open the plug end. The 1K resistor was open-circuit. I bridged it with a piece of iron wire, and taped it back together. What a rickety POS now. Still, the car was running better yesterday after this operation, more time will tell. No way it'll hold up very long. So, where do I get _one_ screw-on (machine screw threads, not wood screw) Beru spark plug connector? Or, barring that, _one_ new Beru spark plug wire? Really don't want to part with the cash to get another entire set. I have some old Bosch connectors, but they're all wood-screw. (Hmm, I wonder if the Beru has a machine-screw end that I can see, but that _that_ bit has a wood screw that screws into the wire itself? Still, it's working now. I'd hate to take it apart again and make it worse, just trying to find out that detail.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buymbparts.biz
Jabba got the domain back some time ago. The registration expired, it went up for auction and he bought it. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anybody checked out Rusty's old site lately? I went since I couldn't remember Hursty's buyeuroparts.com and found Under old management Gary Hurst PROPRIETOR WWW.BUYEUROPARTS.COM Interesting... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ, less a 10 percent MB Club discount. No thanks.. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some. I think they are all chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway. Who knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings. Go to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness. You can change both of them in an afternoon easy enough. Get new pads too. --R On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been reported they do reasonable pricing for stealers. At least you would have a comparo to take to your local stealer. --R On 6/11/15 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ, less a 10 percent MB Club discount. No thanks.. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some. I think they are all chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway. Who knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings. Go to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness. You can change both of them in an afternoon easy enough. Get new pads too. --R On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More Crazy Weather Not to Worry About
I agree with you about nuclear power, which was touted as too cheap to meter back in the 60s. Those were the days... On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah that reminds me, another of the scare tactics used by the left back in the 80's was the nuclear winter theory. Maybe we just need a good dust-up (so to speak) with Roosha or Cheena, with most of the dust'n on their side, and that will counteract the global warming. Yet another example of how nuclear power is the answer, no matter what the question is... - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's about the time Paul Ehrlich was telling us all that we were going to freeze and starve in the cold and dark due to global cooling and whatnot. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
I called Northlake but got Wayne's voice mail. What number do you have, Rich? On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been reported they do reasonable pricing for stealers. At least you would have a comparo to take to your local stealer. --R On 6/11/15 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ, less a 10 percent MB Club discount. No thanks.. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some. I think they are all chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway. Who knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings. Go to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness. You can change both of them in an afternoon easy enough. Get new pads too. --R On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT More Crazy Weather Not to Worry About
Yeah that reminds me, another of the scare tactics used by the left back in the 80's was the nuclear winter theory. Maybe we just need a good dust-up (so to speak) with Roosha or Cheena, with most of the dust'n on their side, and that will counteract the global warming. Yet another example of how nuclear power is the answer, no matter what the question is... - Max Charleston SC Great points! Thanks for bringing those up. I've long thought since the former worst president on record, Jimmay cahtah screwed things up that turning sand to glass is a great use of nukes, and even better would be the use of neutrons. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 71 years and a day
The photo was up for only a second, but I clearly saw 2 helmets with white arcs in the center. You can find those shows on the PBS web site and if you have an AppleTV (and maybe other streaming devices) there is a PBS app that has them for viewing. You can pause and check them out. If you watch on your computer you can get a screen shot to save and study. Amazing writeup BTW. I can't even imagine what that must have been like. --R On 6/10/15 11:22 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: I saw most of that show, too, though I missed first few minutes. 'Could be, if the craft were an LCI(L) with infantry ramps that come down on each side near the bow (not a Higgins boat). Whenever I see one of those scenes now, I try to study the person(s) for recognition; so far, 'haven't recognized one as my brother, Lewis (Little Boats). They're not usually in view long enough, unless one just by chance matches my memory of him 70+ years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 71 years and a day Watching part of a Nova program tonight about D Day. One of the first scenes I saw had guys in a landing craft. The helmets had white arcs on them. Maybe it is little Boats and his group! Thanks Wilton! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 11:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: WILTON Subject: [MBZ] 71 years and a day And we should never florget. I wrote the folllowing several years ago. Some of you may hjave seen it before. LITTLE BOATS AND 6 JUN 1944 By Wilton W. Strickland My brother, Lewis Clyde Strickland, then 21 and with 3 1/2 yrs in the US Navy, was the senior noncommissioned officer (NCO)/leader of a 48-man platoon of the 6th Naval Beach Battalion that went ashore on Omaha Beach, France, at 0730 on the 6th of June, 1944, to clear obstacles, secure the beach and control traffic to, from and on the beach. The unit was composed of many specialties, including demolition, signalmen, radiomen, riflemen, doctors, medical corpsmen (medics), bulldozer operators and others - whatever necessary to manage the beach. They wore army combat uniforms and trained with the Army for the invasion. The only thing visible to distinguish them from army troops was an arc painted across the front of their helmets. Most of the men in his platoon were teenagers just 17, 18 and 19 years old. Several of the older men had been in the invasion of Sicily and a few, such as Lewis, had been in the invasion of North Africa, where his ship had been sunk just offshore in Oct '42. Though small in stature, Lewis was a giant in courage, dedication to accomplishing the mission, determination and care for the men in his platoon. He served as their mentor, their mother, their father, their leader. They affectionately called him, Little Boats, in honor of his Navy specialty, boatswain's or boson's mate. Ensign Joe Vaghi, just out of college and new to the Navy when he became the platoon's Officer-In-Command (OIC) in late '43, said of Little Boats in 2001, He taught me everything I ever needed to know about the Navy. Little Boats died of pneumonia in 1997. The platoon had trained extensively for several months with army troops at Camp Bradford, VA, Fort Pierce, FL, and Swansea, Wales. They were delivered to Omaha beach on LCI(L) 88, (an infantry landing craft) operated by members of the US Coast Guard, as were many of the vessels in the invasion fleet. In 2001, I had the very distinct honor and pleasure of interviewing several of Little Boats' men and several of the equally brave Coasties (US Coast Guard) who delivered them to the beach on that fateful day of June 6, 1944, the memory of which should make all Americans, British, Canadians and other allies stand tall with pride. Most of the following is excerpted from those interviews: One of the seventeen-year-old riflemen, Seaman John Hanley, remembers, We formed up on the main deck of the LCI at the top of the port (left) ramp. Ensign Vaghi was # 1, and his assistants, Ensign Wright # 2, BM/1C Little Boats Strickland was # 3, I was # 4, and several of the other young riflemen were immediately behind me. As we approached the line of departure, we could see smoke from the shelling rising from the beach. About that time, an LCT coming out of the smoke off the beach on our port side let off a barrage of rockets. The German 88's had him straddled; you could see the shells hitting the water 8 to 10 feet behind 'im. She was at battle speed - 8 or 9 knots, and that's the last I saw of the LCT - we started passing 'im - we were coming up on the beach for the landing. Ensign Vaghi adds, On the beach were multiple rows of different types of obstacles, some with
Re: [MBZ] Wretched SEL
Having finally had enough, I caved and took the car in for a professional diagnosis. The fuel system tested OK, and there _are_ vacuum leaks that will have to be dealt with. The most amusing result was that one of my _new_ Beru spark plug wires was open-circuit. (Though I believe it was a short gap that would fire anyway, a bit. The plug was not any different-looking than the rest.) I speculated, and cut open the plug end. The 1K resistor was open-circuit. I bridged it with a piece of iron wire, and taped it back together. What a rickety POS now. Still, the car was running better yesterday after this operation, more time will tell. No way it'll hold up very long. So, where do I get _one_ screw-on (machine screw threads, not wood screw) Beru spark plug connector? Or, barring that, _one_ new Beru spark plug wire? Really don't want to part with the cash to get another entire set. I have some old Bosch connectors, but they're all wood-screw. (Hmm, I wonder if the Beru has a machine-screw end that I can see, but that _that_ bit has a wood screw that screws into the wire itself? Still, it's working now. I'd hate to take it apart again and make it worse, just trying to find out that detail.) -- Jim I still miss Rusty (Q) He woulda found that. alt. answer: junkyard/upull ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq
If should'a and could'a were horses, all beggers would ride The last war this country entered and fought to win was WW2, and win we did, not only because of the men that went to battle, but because the people at home produced more equipment and material than the enemy to supply them. When they came home they supported and honored those men. Every war since then has been a police action with the goal of not defeating the enemy, but to contain them. Society in general has not supported these poorly defined police actions and neither has Congress. The police actions have been run by politicians, not military commanders, and the goals have been poorly defined to the citizens, yet many politicians have become wealthy while in office. So, I make the suggestions. If we fight, anywhere, let's fight to win. If a politician gets rich making war, let's treat them as the enemy. For example, Uranium mine rights sale... a recent example of things done below the table.. there are others. Like arms sales to Syria. Cloudy goals to deceive the public into loss of blood and treasure under the banner of war discuised as a police action, do not make a cause for war. Our present leadership only draws red lines in the sand to draw attention away from the brown streak down the back of his pants. IMHO. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We should only invade countries the size of - or smaller than - Grenada. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:02 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq War is not won until the enemy begs you to stop killing them On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:29 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, sneaking into another one; probably gonna be home by Christmas, as usual. That's what I've heard too many times, anyway. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq How tragic. The war that we'd already won under G.W. Bush is now slowly being turned into another micro-managed-from-the-oval-office slowly growing conflict, sure to take the lives of some of the young Americans sent there by Obama. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/10/obama-approves-sending-up-to-450-more-us-troops-to-iraq/ - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saga of the missing part number - W123 heater hose
Spend the extra money and replace it with a silicon hose of the right size. It will last as long as you own the car. Google will take you to suppliers that will sell you the size and length you need. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Trust me - it's a rubber hose. I am not a master tech but I do know the difference between steel and rubber. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:06:38 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I received the following email from the MB Classic Center regading a part number for a leaky heater hose in my 1983 300TD: The part between 281 and 290 is a heater pipe assembly. And it’s discontinued. *Thomas Hanson* That means it's not a rubber hose, but a steel pipe. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] When It Rains, It Pours...
Kaleb and Dan write back and forth about alternator failure, warrenty replacement and such. Andrew wrote: I wonder if there will be a renaissance in steam powered cars. You wouldn't have these prtoblems with a steam powered car. I suspect that we would still have an alternator. Folks would still expect electric lights, electric for 'phones, radios, windows, etc. I suppose the heater/AC fan and AC compressor could be run off of steam. Possibly more complicated as the primary propulsion doesn't need a transmission since an external combustion piston engine has max torque at zero RPM. It could be a aux power unit would have to run the alternator. That's how the steam locomotives did it, a turbine driven generator to generate electricity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saga of the missing part number - W123 heater hose
Andrew wrote: The part between 281 and 290 is a heater pipe assembly. And it’s discontinued. Craig wrote: That means it's not a rubber hose, but a steel pipe. Andrew wrote: Trust me - it's a rubber hose. I am not a master tech but I do know the difference between steel and rubber. So _maybe_ it should be. I have not gone out to look, but my memory is at least most of my cars have a iron pipe about there. So maybe yours did - and a previous owner did a non-factory type replacement. That would sure explain why you can't find a part number. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saga of the missing part number - W123 heater hose
Its NLA anyway. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:26 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew wrote: The part between 281 and 290 is a heater pipe assembly. And it’s discontinued. Craig wrote: That means it's not a rubber hose, but a steel pipe. Andrew wrote: Trust me - it's a rubber hose. I am not a master tech but I do know the difference between steel and rubber. So _maybe_ it should be. I have not gone out to look, but my memory is at least most of my cars have a iron pipe about there. So maybe yours did - and a previous owner did a non-factory type replacement. That would sure explain why you can't find a part number. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
The only way you can be sure to get good quality parts if you're worried about it is to get them from a dealer, period. The stuff you buy from AutohausAZ sits on the shelf with loads of URO brand parts. If they're willing to sell that garbage, they can't be motivated to sell you the highest quality parts - they're more interested in profits, which the cheapest and poorest quality will give them. Hence their motivation to push the cheap stuff. I know of several instances where people have confronted rapist dealers and in a couple of them the dealer backed down and sold for MB list, as opposed to consumer list, i.e., the 4X markup you reference. There have got to be multiple dealers in your area, although I'm sure not all are close to you. If you confront them on pricing, tell them you'll just go to the other dealer. That won't sit well, as they are a competitor in this case. The alternative is to find a good dealer parts guy, explain your parts buying habits and tell them you would prefer to buy from them. Ask them to go to their boss for approval. You might be surprised. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been reported they do reasonable pricing for stealers. At least you would have a comparo to take to your local stealer. --R On 6/11/15 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ, less a 10 percent MB Club discount. No thanks.. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some. I think they are all chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway. Who knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings. Go to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness. You can change both of them in an afternoon easy enough. Get new pads too. --R On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
BTDT, Dan. Autohaus sells the OEM rear rotors for $51 but not the front. Local dealer has a discounted price of $63.30 each, with a valid MB Club card (mine has expired). I asked for a better deal but he won't budge. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The only way you can be sure to get good quality parts if you're worried about it is to get them from a dealer, period. The stuff you buy from AutohausAZ sits on the shelf with loads of URO brand parts. If they're willing to sell that garbage, they can't be motivated to sell you the highest quality parts - they're more interested in profits, which the cheapest and poorest quality will give them. Hence their motivation to push the cheap stuff. I know of several instances where people have confronted rapist dealers and in a couple of them the dealer backed down and sold for MB list, as opposed to consumer list, i.e., the 4X markup you reference. There have got to be multiple dealers in your area, although I'm sure not all are close to you. If you confront them on pricing, tell them you'll just go to the other dealer. That won't sit well, as they are a competitor in this case. The alternative is to find a good dealer parts guy, explain your parts buying habits and tell them you would prefer to buy from them. Ask them to go to their boss for approval. You might be surprised. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's why I said Jabba or FLAPS, or if you must dealer them, call the MBNorthlake in Charlotte and see what they will do -- it has been reported they do reasonable pricing for stealers. At least you would have a comparo to take to your local stealer. --R On 6/11/15 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ, less a 10 percent MB Club discount. No thanks.. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some. I think they are all chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway. Who knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings. Go to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness. You can change both of them in an afternoon easy enough. Get new pads too. --R On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
If you’re sure they’re OE and you can get them cheaper, do it! However, I’m a bit confused about your earlier statement about your dealer raping you or charging 4X list, as that’s not what you just described. If shipping is free with Autohauz and you’re willing to wait, it makes sense. You probably don’t pay them sales tax, either. On the other hand, if you want them now and they’re only $12 more apiece, what’s the big deal? I’m seeing a dealer price of around $48.50 for the fronts from most dealers. Rears around $56. Still cheaper than crappy unknown aftermarket discs whose origins are unknown. I’m sorry, guys, I understand being frugal, but in the grand scheme of things to me this is nickel-dime stuff. Yeah, ten bucks more times two or four is a lot, but you KNOW what you’re getting. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: BTDT, Dan. Autohaus sells the OEM rear rotors for $51 but not the front. Local dealer has a discounted price of $63.30 each, with a valid MB Club card (mine has expired). I asked for a better deal but he won't budge. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Dan, your word is gold so I am going to move up to OEM rotors. Pelican Parts sells OEM front rotors for under $50 - including free shipping Autohaus doesn't carry them. Northlake Motors doesn't answer the phone and hasn't returned my voicemail message. I also need the window brushes (L and R) that scrape dew/rain water off the windows. OEM costs $75 vs. $12 for a knockoff. Seems like quite a spread. Is itworth the difference? On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you’re sure they’re OE and you can get them cheaper, do it! However, I’m a bit confused about your earlier statement about your dealer raping you or charging 4X list, as that’s not what you just described. If shipping is free with Autohauz and you’re willing to wait, it makes sense. You probably don’t pay them sales tax, either. On the other hand, if you want them now and they’re only $12 more apiece, what’s the big deal? I’m seeing a dealer price of around $48.50 for the fronts from most dealers. Rears around $56. Still cheaper than crappy unknown aftermarket discs whose origins are unknown. I’m sorry, guys, I understand being frugal, but in the grand scheme of things to me this is nickel-dime stuff. Yeah, ten bucks more times two or four is a lot, but you KNOW what you’re getting. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: BTDT, Dan. Autohaus sells the OEM rear rotors for $51 but not the front. Local dealer has a discounted price of $63.30 each, with a valid MB Club card (mine has expired). I asked for a better deal but he won't budge. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Window scrapers are actually material sold in bulk. Let’s give this some rational thought: Knockoff: $12.00 OEM: $75.00 That means the knockoff is more than SIX times cheaper than OEM. Assuming everyone is making a profit on what they sell, the cost relationship of the knockoff to the OEM part is skewed even further. What do you think about the raw materials that are being used in the knockoff? Cheap labor? Sure. 100% real rubber? Most unlikely. How long do you think the knockoff is going to last? I realize that some will step up at this point and suggest that Andrew can buy more than six pieces of the knockoff before he would have the same amount of money invested for one OEM window scraper, but you also need to factor in labor and related potential issues for the water that’s going to get past the knockoff part and into his doors as it wears (quickly). Here’s what I suggest: Contact Randy Steele at EPS, Ltd. epspa...@impulse.net Tell Randy I told you to contact him. Tell him you need exterior window scrapers for a W123 and see what he quotes you. I suggest this because I bought literally tens of thousands of dollars of parts from Randy over the years, and I am almost sure he bought window scraper material in bulk and just cut it to length. For that matter, the pieces you get from the dealer will also be in bulk form, slightly longer than your actual scrapers. You’ll need to have some very sharp tin snips or aircraft shears to trim it to length. I don’t know if Randy will be any cheaper, but it’s worth a try. I certainly understand your reluctance to spend $75 for a window scraper, but some of that decision factors into how much longer you plan on owning/driving the car, too. On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if you’re looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, your word is gold so I am going to move up to OEM rotors. Pelican Parts sells OEM front rotors for under $50 - including free shipping Autohaus doesn't carry them. Northlake Motors doesn't answer the phone and hasn't returned my voicemail message. I also need the window brushes (L and R) that scrape dew/rain water off the windows. OEM costs $75 vs. $12 for a knockoff. Seems like quite a spread. Is itworth the difference? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Would you really want to buy OLD rubber? Even if OEM would it be better to buy cheepcheepchinee rubber that might be at least NEW cheepcheepchinee rubber? conundrums! --R On 6/11/15 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if you’re looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
For all I know, the $12 scraper has NEW rubber, albeit of lower quality than the OEM part. Hey Rich, the same size house you live in would cost you probably triple here in DC. Does this mean your home is made out of papier mache and Chinese drywall? On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Would you really want to buy OLD rubber? Even if OEM would it be better to buy cheepcheepchinee rubber that might be at least NEW cheepcheepchinee rubber? conundrums! --R On 6/11/15 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if you’re looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
My house would cost 10X more even if it did have chinee drywall. That might even be a good selling feature, to celebrate diversity and all... But I think we are both arguing the same point, NOS is new OLD stock which has been sitting on some shelf for who knows how long, and rubber deteriorates, but maybe it would still be better and last longer than cheepcheepchinee rubber since it might be der in ordnung Deutsche rubber. I myself would not use cheepcheepchinee rubbers for fear of the consequences. --R On 6/11/15 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: For all I know, the $12 scraper has NEW rubber, albeit of lower quality than the OEM part. Hey Rich, the same size house you live in would cost you probably triple here in DC. Does this mean your home is made out of papier mache and Chinese drywall? On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Would you really want to buy OLD rubber? Even if OEM would it be better to buy cheepcheepchinee rubber that might be at least NEW cheepcheepchinee rubber? conundrums! --R On 6/11/15 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if you’re looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Nothing can equal OEM German rubber grown under careful Tutonic supervision in the idyllic plantations of suburban Stuttgart.. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My house would cost 10X more even if it did have chinee drywall. That might even be a good selling feature, to celebrate diversity and all... But I think we are both arguing the same point, NOS is new OLD stock which has been sitting on some shelf for who knows how long, and rubber deteriorates, but maybe it would still be better and last longer than cheepcheepchinee rubber since it might be der in ordnung Deutsche rubber. I myself would not use cheepcheepchinee rubbers for fear of the consequences. --R On 6/11/15 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: For all I know, the $12 scraper has NEW rubber, albeit of lower quality than the OEM part. Hey Rich, the same size house you live in would cost you probably triple here in DC. Does this mean your home is made out of papier mache and Chinese drywall? On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Would you really want to buy OLD rubber? Even if OEM would it be better to buy cheepcheepchinee rubber that might be at least NEW cheepcheepchinee rubber? conundrums! --R On 6/11/15 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: On a related note, Randy pretty much deals in NOS stuff now, so if you’re looking for an NOS part for an older Benz, he’s your guy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Andrew wrote: What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Dan wrote: Buy them from the dealer. You'll pay close to the same as aftermarket, and have no worries about where they came from. *You* will pay close to the same. The rest of us? And if the nearest dealer is a stealer and is the only one within 250 miles? Then what brand rotor should we look for? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] trouble right here in River City
Winnipeg has rivers going north south - The Red and east west - The Assiniboine so I thought that sort of fit. My good old 76 115 300D had a hiccup this morning, which is totally unlike it. I was at a light when the car creeped ahead. I thought I had a senior moment and had failed to keep my foot firmly planted on the brake. I stepped harder and it sat there for the duration of the red light, but on the next block, I stepped on the brake pedal and it essentially sank to the floor. Not a good thing in traffic. I drove it the few blocks home at lunch and put it back in the garage but something is wrong. It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. I have looked where it was parked and do not see any puddles of fluid. The resevoir does not look to be down. I shall have to look a bit closer to see if there is something leaking. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. Anyone have a better conclusion based upon the symptoms? If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? In either case, where would one best look for parts? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Vietnam all over again: Obama approves sending up to 450 more US troops to Iraq
G wrote: Every war since [WWII] has been a police action with the goal of not defeating the enemy, but to contain them. So, I make the suggestions. If we fight, anywhere, let's fight to win. If a politician gets rich making war, let's treat them as the enemy. Yup. We should not commit one soldier to action until there is a clearly defined military objective. Then bring everyone home when the objective is achieved. Hindering terrorists is NOT a military objective. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saga of the missing part number - W123 heater hose
Andrew wrote: The part between 281 and 290 is a heater pipe assembly. And it’s discontinued. Craig wrote: That means it's not a rubber hose, but a steel pipe. Andrew wrote: Trust me - it's a rubber hose. I am not a master tech but I do know the difference between steel and rubber. Fmiser wrote: So _maybe_ it should be. I have not gone out to look, but my memory is at least most of my cars have a iron pipe about there. So maybe yours did - and a previous owner did a non-factory type replacement. That would sure explain why you can't find a part number. Andrew wrote: Its NLA anyway. I'll bet it's A used. (if NLA means no longer available - then A means available, right?) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
Randy, as you correctly surmised, these symptoms indicate a failed (interlally leaking) master cylinder. Fortunately, the part is not expensive and widely available, maybe even for a W115. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Winnipeg has rivers going north south - The Red and east west - The Assiniboine so I thought that sort of fit. My good old 76 115 300D had a hiccup this morning, which is totally unlike it. I was at a light when the car creeped ahead. I thought I had a senior moment and had failed to keep my foot firmly planted on the brake. I stepped harder and it sat there for the duration of the red light, but on the next block, I stepped on the brake pedal and it essentially sank to the floor. Not a good thing in traffic. I drove it the few blocks home at lunch and put it back in the garage but something is wrong. It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. I have looked where it was parked and do not see any puddles of fluid. The resevoir does not look to be down. I shall have to look a bit closer to see if there is something leaking. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. Anyone have a better conclusion based upon the symptoms? If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? In either case, where would one best look for parts? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saga of the missing part number - W123 heater hose
Sorry for the confusion. NLA = no longer available. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:41 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew wrote: The part between 281 and 290 is a heater pipe assembly. And it’s discontinued. Craig wrote: That means it's not a rubber hose, but a steel pipe. Andrew wrote: Trust me - it's a rubber hose. I am not a master tech but I do know the difference between steel and rubber. Fmiser wrote: So _maybe_ it should be. I have not gone out to look, but my memory is at least most of my cars have a iron pipe about there. So maybe yours did - and a previous owner did a non-factory type replacement. That would sure explain why you can't find a part number. Andrew wrote: Its NLA anyway. I'll bet it's A used. (if NLA means no longer available - then A means available, right?) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
Definitely master cylinder failure symptoms. Fluid is leaking past the cups on the piston. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Winnipeg has rivers going north south - The Red and east west - The Assiniboine so I thought that sort of fit. My good old 76 115 300D had a hiccup this morning, which is totally unlike it. I was at a light when the car creeped ahead. I thought I had a senior moment and had failed to keep my foot firmly planted on the brake. I stepped harder and it sat there for the duration of the red light, but on the next block, I stepped on the brake pedal and it essentially sank to the floor. Not a good thing in traffic. I drove it the few blocks home at lunch and put it back in the garage but something is wrong. It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. I have looked where it was parked and do not see any puddles of fluid. The resevoir does not look to be down. I shall have to look a bit closer to see if there is something leaking. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. Anyone have a better conclusion based upon the symptoms? If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? In either case, where would one best look for parts? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
I recall a remanufactured MC I got for the 123 was only about $40 from the FLAPS and was an easy swap except getting those fittings attached to the hard lines lined up to catch the threads on it was a bugger. Not a lot of slop in the hard lines to wiggle the fitting around. Then you have to do the whole bleeding thing which is Not Fun in my view. --R On 6/11/15 3:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Definitely master cylinder failure symptoms. Fluid is leaking past the cups on the piston. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Winnipeg has rivers going north south - The Red and east west - The Assiniboine so I thought that sort of fit. My good old 76 115 300D had a hiccup this morning, which is totally unlike it. I was at a light when the car creeped ahead. I thought I had a senior moment and had failed to keep my foot firmly planted on the brake. I stepped harder and it sat there for the duration of the red light, but on the next block, I stepped on the brake pedal and it essentially sank to the floor. Not a good thing in traffic. I drove it the few blocks home at lunch and put it back in the garage but something is wrong. It brakes but not very hard and pumping the pedal does not all that much to make it better. It feels like when one presses on the pedal while another bleeds the brakes. It just slowly descends until close to the floor. I have looked where it was parked and do not see any puddles of fluid. The resevoir does not look to be down. I shall have to look a bit closer to see if there is something leaking. If not, then I suspect the master cylinder is leaking internally. Anyone have a better conclusion based upon the symptoms? If so, is there a kit to repair or am I compelled to replace the whole thing? In either case, where would one best look for parts? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015, at 03:27 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I recall a remanufactured MC I got for the 123 was only about $40 from the FLAPS and was an easy swap except getting those fittings attached to the hard lines lined up to catch the threads on it was a bugger. Not a lot of slop in the hard lines to wiggle the fitting around. Then you have to do the whole bleeding thing which is Not Fun in my view. Pressure bleeder makes the job *almost* fun. At least in comparison to any other method I've tried. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
I recall a remanufactured MC I got for the 123 was only about $40 from the FLAPS and was an easy swap except getting those fittings attached to the hard lines lined up to catch the threads on it was a bugger. Not a lot of slop in the hard lines to wiggle the fitting around. Then you have to do the whole bleeding thing which is Not Fun in my view. --R If you bench bleed the MC, then the rest is simply gravity. One MC I bought had plastic fittings and hose to bench bleed. I kept that and reused it many times. Back when junkyards had MBs, I could use the ends of old brake lines from the junkers. Hard to find now. Or the pressure bleeder works if you blow out all the old fluid/crap first. I don't like pushing gunk up into the new MC. That leads to high failure. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trouble right here in River City
DON'T use DOT3 BRAKE FLUID! Plan on buying a quart of DOT4 fluid and thoroughly flushing the lines and calipers. Traditionally, Castrol LMA/GT fluid was what to use, but it has become near unobtanium. You can consider switching to real DOT5 Silicone fluid, but it is scarce too. They want to peddle this DOT4/5 stuff that is neither DOT4 nor DOT5, and I have heard no reports on it, therefore I don't want to use it. The DOT 5 conversions I have done work well, except that it is very hard to get all the water/fluid/gunk out of the calipers. Definitely master cylinder failure symptoms. Fluid is leaking past the cups on the piston. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD
Call them on it. Many will back down if you confront them. Otherwise, buy elsewhere. Dan On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My local dealer will happily charge 4X what I would pay at Autohaus AZ, less a 10 percent MB Club discount. No thanks.. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Call Jabba or just go to the FLAPS and get some. I think they are all chinee now anyway, but I do seem to recall that Jabba got me some for the SD he said were somehow better, they were in some branded box anyway. Who knows They aren't hard to change, be sure to get a tube of bearing grease while you're at it as you will need to clean and regrease the bearings. Go to HF and buy a cheepcheep gauge to test the bearing tightness. You can change both of them in an afternoon easy enough. Get new pads too. --R On 6/11/15 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What brand should I stay away from? It seems the pads last longer than my rotors... Andrew 1983 300TD squeals and leaks 1985 300TD garage queen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
