Re: [opensuse] ssh can not use dns anymore

2007-07-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 03 July 2007 08:39:22 schreef Richard Bos:
> a very weird problem with ssh and dns...
>
> Suddenly since Sunday evening my (default) desktop system does not
> resolve system names (dns) when using ssh.

Forget about this weird problem.  It has been solved the same way that it 
started: all by itself ...

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[opensuse] ssh can not use dns anymore

2007-07-02 Thread Richard Bos
Hi,

a very weird problem with ssh and dns...

Suddenly since Sunday evening my (default) desktop system does not
resolve system names (dns) when using ssh.

E.g.
# ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
results in (by heart): system name can not be resolved

# ping domain.tld
results in an ip address  X

# ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
this just works

When I use:
# ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on another desktop system it just works.

My default desktop system and this other desktop system use
the same /home as the latter is a nfs exported file system.
Both are suse-10.2

AFAICS nothing has changed on my default desktop system, no
new rpms and the config files in /etc/did not change.

Does anyone have an idea what is causing this particular behaviour?

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Re: [opensuse] synchronizing 2 folders

2007-06-24 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 22 juni 2007 04:59, schreef Hans Linux:
> I need to synchronize the content of folders. Lets say I have 2 folders :
>
> - /home/hans/folder1
> - /home/hans/folder2
>
> Everytime I change something in folder1 like remove a file, create a
> file etc, folder2 will automatically be synchronized at once. how do i
> do that?

Perhaps unison:
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

2007-06-22 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 22 June 2007 00:53:18 schreef Pueblo Native:
> While some of these points may have more or less merit to them, the
> first one is a no-starter:
> "There is *already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format
> (ODF)*: a dual standard adds cost to industry, government and citizens;"
>
> Now, I use OO and love it, but I am not so arrogant as to assume that it
> is or should be the ONLY standard out there.  Let a thousand flowers
> bloom and let the consumer decide what they want.  As long as they have
> that power, I'm happy even if they choose Microsoft's OXML format.

So it's better to have 2 different standards definitions for e.g. for speed 
km/h s miles/h - temperature celsius vs fahrenheit, lenght, like: 1 meter and 
1 inch?
Ask NASA about the latter.  Didn't they loose a satelite because the mixed 
meters with inches or something like that.
From this alone one can see that it is better to have 1 standard to be used by 
many applications.  Now this gives total freedom to the customer.


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[opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

2007-06-21 Thread Richard Bos
Please sign the petition here : http://www.noooxml.org/petition/
(cookies have to be enabled for this site)

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Re: [opensuse] KDE 4 in parallel to KDE 3 on openSUSE 10.2, possible?

2007-06-02 Thread Richard Bos
Op Saturday 02 June 2007 12:27:13 schreef Mohammad Bhuyan:
> Writing to the list as the instruction provided in opensuse wiki (
> http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 ) was not clear enough for me.
>
> 1. Can I install KDE 4 parallel to my KDE 3.5.7 (latest release) on 10.2?

As stated on the wiki page:
"The KDE4 packages install into the /usr prefix hence KDE3 and KDE4 can be 
installed at the same time."

So yes, kde3 and kde4 are installed in parallel.

> 2. If yes, should I expect a option to choose KDE 3 / KDE 4 at my login?

I guess so.  The same way as you can choose between gnome, kde, etc.
But kde4 information is installed in ~/.kde4

> 3. I am assuming that I will have to get the KDE packages for specific
> to 4. which is OK with me. But how likely it is to break my existing
> my total system?
>
> (I can't afford to break my current working desktop so please advise
> if the whole idea is not very wise. I am interested as I am interested
> to contribute to development.)

See above it is seperated from kde3.  But you can always start with the kde4 
live CD.

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Re: [opensuse] presentation to show linux

2007-06-01 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 01 June 2007 22:54:49 schreef Kai Ponte:
> Just fire up the Matrix screen saver, sit back and relax.
>
> Seriously, if you can't find one, make it. If you can, do it in
> impress and use your system to display it. (Or at least export it to
> flash.)

Or just fire up knoppix with 3D beryl support including rotating cube, burning 
windows and run your presentation with impress from knoppix.  Use one of the 
windows machines that your computer club has :))

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Re: [opensuse] clean /tmp

2007-05-30 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 30 May 2007 12:24:40 schreef Carlos E. R.:
>    Correction,  it is included, but as those files are owned by root, they
>    are not cleaned up. Plus, there are two new variables:

New?  They are there since, well since a long time suse-8.2 or somewhere 
around there.

>    MAX_DAYS_IN_LONG_TMP
>    LONG_TMP_DIRS_TO_CLEAR
>
>   The name "LONG_TMP" of the variables must be indicative of something :-?

LONG as in time.  This one can be used for e.g. /var/tmp as that can be 
populated by users and they may want to have access to their files after some 
time.

The other varsTMP_DIRS_TO_CLEAR and MAX_DAYS_IN_TMP are meant for e.g. /tmp To 
remove garbage left behind by system processes.

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Re: [opensuse] New KDE/Kontact bug appeared in 3.5.7-7.1

2007-05-29 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 29 May 2007 23:17:13 schreef Patrick Shanahan:
> * Richard Bos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-29-07 17:05]:
> > Op Tuesday 29 May 2007 21:24:46 schreef Per-Olov Sjöholm: What about
> > the date/time applet in kicker?  It used to display the date, but now
> > it does not.  It's hard to remember when I saw it working for the last
> > time, but I think it worked before the kde upgrade to 3.5.7 Does
> > anybody see the same problem?
>
> Hummm, works in 10.1 x86_64 kdebase3-3.5.7-12.1
>
> see http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/kde_date.jpg

Thanks Patrick, I now discovered that I had asked it to show a timezone, and 
not the day.  When I changed it to show locale time(zone) it showed the date.  
Thanks again for your swift response, that was helpful!

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Re: [opensuse] New KDE/Kontact bug appeared in 3.5.7-7.1

2007-05-29 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 29 May 2007 21:24:46 schreef Per-Olov Sjöholm:
> Both of these works perfect in 3.5.6-48-1. When I upgraded to 3.5.7-7.1 my
> address book resource just disappeared in Kontact. And it is not possible
> to add a new one of the same form (sftp or fish). It simply seems the
> feature is gone The calendar resource of the same sftp form still works
> though... But I miss my address book...

What about the date/time applet in kicker?  It used to display the date, but 
now it does not.  It's hard to remember when I saw it working for the last 
time, but I think it worked before the kde upgrade to 3.5.7
Does anybody see the same problem?

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Re: [opensuse] clean /tmp

2007-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op Sunday 27 May 2007 11:11:16 schreef Fazer:
> As I noticed my free space after one year using SUSE is really small i
> noticed that directories whitch was almost empty after instalation have
> some size is tehere an easy way to clean it
>
> /var 543MB
> /tmp 634MB
>
> or if there is some other places where I can find useless files to delete

yast -> /etc/sysconfig editor -> system -> cron -> *dirs to clear etc


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Re: [opensuse] Offtopic posting, was: [OT] Linux in the classroom (K-12)

2007-05-22 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 22 May 2007 18:14:58 schreef Brad Bourn:
> I forget which distro Jim is/was using for ltsp, but is wasn't SuSE.  I
> used SuSE for my ltsp stuff and did the best I could to champion it with
> him for that project.

http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP

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Re: [opensuse] Simple RPM question

2007-05-21 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 21 May 2007 17:13:57 schreef Jorge Fábregas:
> Is there a way to remove a package and ALL its dependencies? For example, I
> installed mplayer and I had to install 9 other packages to satisfy
> dependencies.  If I no longer want mplayer I'll do this:
>
> rpm -q --last
>
> to see the last packages I installed. I"ll then do "rpm -e" with EACH one
> of them.  I noticed that you can only specify one package with the remove
> switch...It will be great If I could "rpm -e this,that,the-other-one,
> blabla" or something like "rpm -e MPlayer --along-dependencies" :)  (if and
> only those packages are needed only by MPlayer of course...).
>
> I'm not interested in a shell script. I just would like to know if there's
> a switch I'm missing (I read the man page but found nothing).

rpmorphan?
Alright here is a webpage ;)
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2/repodata/repoview/rpmorphan-0-0.8-2.1.html

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Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !

2007-05-17 Thread Richard Bos
Alexey,

Op Thursday 17 May 2007 19:35:42 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
> I cannot upgrade to 10.3alpha4 because delta ISO doesn't work !

this is not a major problem at all.  So please adjust your subject next time, 
for example no exclamation marks and not "Major problem".  A major problem is 
for example a harddisk crash without having a recent backup.

In your case it is just playing with a new version, hence your problem is just 
very very minor.  BTW: a better list for alpha releases or actually the right 
ML is opensuse-factory at opensuse dot org.

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Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?

2007-05-12 Thread Richard Bos
Op Saturday 12 May 2007 11:14:25 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
> What's worse is that they tell me something like: "If you do that
> again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be
> canceled."
>
> How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ?

Provide updated/improved icons, so it is easy to patch.

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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

2007-05-11 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 11 May 2007 20:24:49 schreef Petr Klíma:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > I think it's more of an observation effect.
> >
> > Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
> > it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
> > and failing...
>
> Well, I don't agree at all. What I experienced was correct Windows
> behaviour (no errors, at least none reported) while in LInux programs
> crashed now and then without apparent reason.
>
> I agree with Carlos that LInux most probably uses hardware more
> aggressively, something like leaving less time between successive
> actions therefore leaving less time for the things (signal levels etc.)
> to settle down. That wouldn't be a problem for perfectly stable hardware
> whose critical operating frequencies are quite higher than the real
> operating ones (e.g. all transients finished soon enough). Once you got
> hardware which is operating at (or behind) the edge, you may get anything.

As example: we once obtained a computer that had been running windows fine for 
ages.  The moment we started installing linux on it, it failed.  Indeed it 
already failed during the installation!  Running a memory check tool showed 
that memory was bad => computer to the IT department, they stated that there 
was nothing wrong with the system using their tools!  After talking a bit 
longer the faulty memory got replaced and the machine started to behave 
correctly.

From this we learned that linux uses indeed all resources that it has 
available, while MS does probably not

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Re: [opensuse] Update Server - Very OT!!

2007-05-07 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 07 May 2007 11:55:37 schreef Morten Bjørnsvik:
> |-Original Message-
> |From: Marcus Meissner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |
> |> I don't think this is OT at all.  If update server addresses are
> |> dished out in a round-robin fashion this might distribute the load,
> |> but is far from optimal.  Surely there is a more intelligent method
> |> based on the originating IP range?  If web servers can generate
> |> country-specific statistics then this should be possible.
> |
> |It is done using the timezone you specify in the installer,
> |and a circle around it.
>
> Wouldn't it be better to test the ring for latency or TTL?
>
> Just measure a wget download of a specific file from varous sources and
> choose the one with the lowest latency. This can be done in 50
> lines of scripting. The testing time is saved by the first download.

Or use netselect:
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/netselect.html

It's made to determine the fastest (download) server.


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Re: [opensuse] Best way to convert wav to mp3

2007-04-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 18 April 2007 03:44:43 schreef Stevens:
> It's been a while since I wanted to do this, but what's the
> best way to convert a WAV file to .mp3? FYI, am running
> Suse 10.2.

konqueror and type in its location bar:
audiocd:/
This provides a virtual file system to many different audio formats.

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Re: [opensuse] Lessons for Lizards is missing from openSUSE website

2007-04-09 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 09 April 2007 22:30:12 schreef Alexey Eremenko:
> Did anyone noticed, that The LfL is missing from openSUSE website. link:
> http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation
>
> I have opened a bug report:
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262568

That's quite wrong.  You can update the page yourself!  Just look for the 
right spot on that page and select the 'edit' link on the right.  Pronto 
there you go, and page is updated.  It's that simple.  In this case tell us, 
where you want to have your link, and we can do it.

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Re: [opensuse] How do I disable the konqueror search bar auto-complete function

2007-04-04 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 04 April 2007 14:08:43 schreef James Watkins:
> Many apologies if I've missed something obvious, it certainly seems like
> the sort of thing that shouldn't be difficult but I can't work it out.
>  Does anyone else find this feature unhelpful?

Sometimes it behaves weird indeed.  Especially when something is added to the 
beginning of a previous search string.

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Re: [opensuse] 2.6.20 for 10.2?

2007-03-29 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 28 March 2007 23:17:25 schreef Rui Santos:
> Richard Bos wrote:
> > Op Wednesday 28 March 2007 12:00:21 schreef Rui Santos:
> >> I'm using it for a month now, with very good results. The exception is
> >> NFS performance.
> >
> > What issues do see, and when?  Have you been able to compare the NFS
> > behaviour with previous kernel versions?
>
> Yes I was. With the original 2.6.18 openSUSE10.2 kernel, my machine
> acting as NFS client, copied files to the NFS Server at 10.xMB/sec ( 100
> Mbit network). With the 2.6.20 kernel it copy's at a max of 500KB/sec.
> The only difference is the kernel version. The machine is the same.
>
> Do you know anything that might be able to help me?
> The NFS Server is a SuSE Linux 9.3 using it's standard kernel.

Not myself.  But perhaps this bug report 
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=231234 may be of any help?



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Re: [opensuse] Beagle Configuration

2007-03-28 Thread Richard Bos
Joe,

Op Wednesday 28 March 2007 22:26:47 schreef Joe Shaw:
> On 3/28/07, Michael Letourneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I know many (most?) dislike beagle and turn it off, but I actually have a
> > need to use it right now, and thought it would be a good solution to
> > finding some information I have mis-placed.
>
> I'm the main developer of Beagle, so I'm certainly interested to know
> why people turn it off.  Is it a lack of necessity, is it a failure in
> user experience, is it misbehaving in some way (including CPU pegging
> or memory hogging)?  This is all useful information to me, and I want
> to fix any bugs people come across.

it's hogging my system.  Sometimes my desktop just hangs for 30 seconds or 
more!  Super annoying!  I have my /home nfs mounted and it seems in 
combination with beagle this is lethal.  Another annoyance is that it runs 
with the highest priority possible, while (as it is a background) process 
should run with a very low prority.  After I removed beagle all this is gone, 
and as kde comes with its own desktop search function, there is no desire on 
my side for beagle.

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Re: [opensuse] 2.6.20 for 10.2?

2007-03-28 Thread Richard Bos
Op Wednesday 28 March 2007 12:00:21 schreef Rui Santos:
> I'm using it for a month now, with very good results. The exception is
> NFS performance.

What issues do see, and when?  Have you been able to compare the NFS behaviour 
with previous kernel versions?

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Re: [opensuse] kde application for 'id'

2007-03-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 27 March 2007 22:51:41 schreef Pascal Bleser:
> kdialog --msgbox "$(id)"

And save it as "kid" in /opt/kde3/bin :))

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[opensuse] kde application for 'id'

2007-03-27 Thread Richard Bos
Is there a kde application that shows the group member ship of a user.  
Something similar to 'id' but than for kde; 'kid' ;)

A user should be able to figure out his or her group member ship to know how 
to set permissions on file for sharing. istn't...?

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[opensuse] How to make Wake On LAN setting persistent?

2007-03-25 Thread Richard Bos
How to make Wake On LAN setting persistent?  According to this answer:
http://ahh.sourceforge.net/wol/faq.html#q2 the modules.conf needs to be 
adjusted.  But on openSUSE-10.2 there does not seem to be a modules.conf, but 
a modprobe.conf.  Are those the same (or at least similar)?

How should I confugre my system for wake on lan (wol), when I have a via_rhine 
ethernet card?  Can I just "options via_rhine enable_wol=1" to the 
modprobe.conf.local file, or even beter add a it in a seperate file 
to /etc/modprobe.d?

BTW: I made it now persistent using scripts in /etc/init.d/

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE 9.0 iso images?

2007-03-23 Thread Richard Bos
Op Friday 23 March 2007 20:27:47 schreef Ben Rosenberg:
> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the iso images for SUSE
> 9.0? I have to do some testing and one of our production platforms
> still uses this version. I don't have the disks or iso images because
> this machine existed prior to me joining my current group at work. And
> of course they don't have them either.
>
> Any help would rock.

Have there iso's been released for 9.0?  At that time suse did not release 
ISOs I think.  However, you can do a network install with:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/discontinued/i386/9.0


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Re: [opensuse] making rpms

2007-03-20 Thread Richard Bos
Op Tuesday 20 March 2007 23:05:55 schreef dwain:
> i find that when new software comes out, it takes a while to get the
> update quickly.  i have been asked by the inkscape folks if i would be
> interested in packaging rpms for opensuse.

have a look at http://software.opensuse.org/ -> repository 0r web interface

> as new to this os as i am and not being a programmer, not afraid to
> learn though, would someone be interested, having the time, to walk me
> through the process?  i know the software is available, and i think it's
> loaded on my machine.
>
> is it that complicated?

Yes and no.  You have to learn, that's for sure.  See above link for more 
information.


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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

2007-03-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 17 maart 2007 21:47, schreef Carlos E. R.:
> http://susefaq.sourceforge.net/howto/time.html
>
> I wrote it years ago (2003), but I believe it is still correct.

Anyway it is very educative!

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Re: [opensuse] Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?

2007-03-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 17 maart 2007 17:11, schreef Alexey Eremenko:
> I hope this helps...

Your rpm list is almost the same as mine, the diff is neglicable:
xorg-x11-server-7.2-30
xorg-x11-server-7.2-30.4
xorg-x11-Xvnc-7.1-22
xorg-x11-Xvnc-7.1-33.1

I'll try to use your X.org file, let's see what that does.

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Re: [opensuse] Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?

2007-03-17 Thread Richard Bos
Alexey,

thnakk you for your reply, but...

Op zaterdag 17 maart 2007 14:47, schreef Alexey Eremenko:
> The newer NVIDIA drivers do not support TNT anymore. Try to get an old
> NVIDIA driver or replace a video card or work with 2D graphics - here
> you won't have any problems.
>
> I have TNT2 Pro working with openSUSE 10.2, using OSS drivers from
> Xorg in 2D mode.

I believe that is what I started with.  I started with the commands:
# sax2

After that all kind of other commands, like:
# sax2 -m 0=nv  and the like.

But they all behave similar.  X.org tries to start, so there is the grey X 
root window, but than it stops.  The last line in the log are:

Card1 =>  DrvProfile : Depth24,NoDDC
]
17-Mar 14:42:17  [ Sysp: XStuff detection data
SaX: ups lost card during probing... abort

As this 2D stuff did not work, I thought I have to install the driver from 
nvidia.

Can you post which X rpms you have?

This is my set:
xorg-x11-7.2-26
xorg-x11-driver-input-7.2-19
xorg-x11-driver-video-7.2-33
xorg-x11-fonts-7.2-14
xorg-x11-fonts-core-7.2-14
xorg-x11-libfontenc-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libICE-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libs-7.2-19
xorg-x11-libSM-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libX11-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libX11-ccache-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXau-7.2-8
xorg-x11-libXdmcp-7.2-8
xorg-x11-libXext-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXfixes-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libxkbfile-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXmu-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libXp-7.2-8
xorg-x11-libXpm-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXprintUtil-7.2-8
xorg-x11-libXrender-7.2-12
xorg-x11-libXt-7.2-13
xorg-x11-libXv-7.2-8
xorg-x11-server-7.2-30.4
xorg-x11-Xvnc-7.1-33.1

Without versions the list is as follows:
xorg-x11
xorg-x11-driver-input
xorg-x11-driver-video
xorg-x11-fonts
xorg-x11-fonts-core
xorg-x11-libfontenc
xorg-x11-libICE
xorg-x11-libs
xorg-x11-libSM
xorg-x11-libX11
xorg-x11-libX11-ccache
xorg-x11-libXau
xorg-x11-libXdmcp
xorg-x11-libXext
xorg-x11-libXfixes
xorg-x11-libxkbfile
xorg-x11-libXmu
xorg-x11-libXp
xorg-x11-libXpm
xorg-x11-libXprintUtil
xorg-x11-libXrender
xorg-x11-libXt
xorg-x11-libXv
xorg-x11-server
xorg-x11-Xvnc

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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

2007-03-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 23:54, schreef Kai Ponte:
> > An 1 GHz MS XP is slower than a 450 MHz openSUSE system

Sorry the above line is not correct, it should be a 2 GHz, 1GB MS XP vs 450 
MHz 382 MB openSUSE-10.2 system.

> I'm honestly not surprised.
>
> I have always felt SUSE (with either KDE or Gnome or IceWM or...) is faster
> at most tasks than XP.
>
> I used to argue this point in the usenet forums, but eventually realized I
> was arguing with a brick wall and gave up.

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

2007-03-16 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 23:11, schreef Adam Tauno Williams:
> It actually works quite well on just the Wine version that ships with
> openSUSE.  IE has worked in Wine for quite awhile.

Do you have a procedure how to install it?  What libraries are needed?

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[opensuse] Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?

2007-03-16 Thread Richard Bos
The subject basically says it all:
Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?  If 
yes how did you do it?

I followed some howto's and the last helped me the most, which is this one:
http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA

The build starts, but the compile fails with:
ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module.
ERROR: Installation has failed.  Please see the file
   '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details.  You may find suggestions
   on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux
   driver download page at www.nvidia.com.


The message above is taken from the /var/log/nvidia-installer.log file.

The last compile line there is:
   /nv/os-interface.c:26:
   include2/asm/io.h: In function ‘check_signature’:
   include2/asm/io.h:245: warning: wrong type argument to increment
   /tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src/nv/os-interface.c: 
In
   function ‘os_set_mlock_capability’:
   /tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src/nv/os-interface.c:126
   2: error: ‘struct task_struct’ has no member named ‘rlim’
   make[4]: *** 
[/tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src/nv/os-i
   nterface.o] Fout 1
   make[3]: *** 
[_module_/tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src
   /nv] Fout 2
   make[2]: *** [modules] Fout 2
   NVIDIA: left KBUILD.
   nvidia.ko failed to build!
   make[1]: *** [module] Fout 1
   make: *** [module] Fout 2
-> Error.


The files /tmp/self* are removed after the build.  Does anyone know what is 
wrong?

Do I really need this driver to be able to use the Riva tnt video card on 
opensuse-10.2/

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

2007-03-16 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 22:25, schreef Peter Bradley:
> Ysgrifennodd David Brodbeck:
> > Some sites are still designed for
> > Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
> > Microsoft ports that to Linux.
>
> I understand you can get it to work in CrossOver Office.  If you really
> want to.

Or use:
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page

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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

2007-03-16 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 05:29, schreef Kai Ponte:
> The OS/2 machine finished all tasks in about two minutes.
> The Win95 machine finished in half an hour.

I like this comparison, which I did last week because openSUSE felt so much 
faster.  Well see for your self:

1. System comparison

Creating 350 files (1 file is create doc, and zip it)


1.1. System 1
2 GHz, 1 GB
LiveCD regular desktop no 3D: 14"
LiveCD desktop with 3D and running on batteries: 15"


1.2. System 2
3 GHz, 2 cpu, 512 MB
2 user sessions running: 30"
2 user sessions running, 1 with a compile going on: 45" - 60"


1.3. System 3
2 GHz, 1 GB
1 GUI nothing else: 4'15"
1 GUI (accessed via ssh) nothing else: 5'30"


1.4. System 4
450 HMz, 382 MB
Without number crunching: 3'30"
Number crunching job going only: 6'40"




System 1: notebook running knoppix
System 2: desktop PC running openSUSE
System 3: notebook running MS XP
System 4: desktop PC running openSUSE

System 1 and 3 are the same system


Ranking:
1: Knoppix on notebook
2: openSUSE on desktop
3: openSUSE on slow desktop
4: MS XP on notebook

An 1 GHz MS XP is slower than a 450 MHz openSUSE system

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Re: [opensuse] mod_perl in OpenSuse 10.2

2007-03-15 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 15 maart 2007 21:30, schreef David Bolt:
> >Now why oh why did they ship the mod_perl.conf file that way when they
> >had created the directory /srv/www/perl-lib to put perl scripts in?
>
> No idea. I always install any scripts into /cgi-bin/. It makes things
> much easier as it "just works".
>
> >The next question is - how do you fix the file to get it to work?
>
> If you really want to use it, it just needs a few of changes.

Do perl scripts work from userdir ($HOME/public_html or 
$HOME/public_html/cgi-bin) as well.  Or does that need changes to the config 
file as well?

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Re: [opensuse] Yast - to upgrade Distribution ?

2007-03-15 Thread Richard Bos
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:11:46PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> The Wednesday 2007-03-14 at 08:57 -0400, Abstract wrote:
> 
> > I know in the past I heard you could not upgrade suse major
> > revision upgrades, just minor.
> 
> Rubish!
> 
> I upgraded from 9.3 to 10.2, via the install dvd.

And me too :)

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Re: [opensuse] mod_perl in OpenSuse 10.2

2007-03-14 Thread Richard Bos
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:42:49PM -0700, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
> 
> 
> Michael Folsom wrote:
> >Folks:
> >
> >New to mod_perl and am having trouble getting mod_perl going on OpenSuse 
> >10.2.
> >
> >Have a system with apache installed and working and used yast to
> >install mod_perl from the install DVD.  It created the directory
> >/srv/www/perl-lib and in /etc/apache2 I find mod_perl-startup.pl and
> >in /etc/apache2/conf.d I find mod_perl.conf.
> >
> >Problem is when I dropped the file rock.pl (see below) in
> >/srv/www/perl-lib it doesn't run - meaning I go to
> >http://server_name/perl-lib/rock.pl in a browser and get an "Object
> >not found!".
> >
> >Permissions on rock.pl:
> >   -rwxr-xr-x 1 nobody nobody 85 2007-03-14 21:56 rock.pl
> >
> >... rock.pl
> >#!/usr/bin/perl
> >print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n";
> >print "mod_perl 2.0 rocks!\n";
> >
> >Suggestions appreciated!
> >
> >
> >
> >Michael
> 
> what do the apache logs tell you?

Is it similar to this:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245173

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[opensuse] Dell Opens a Poll On Linux Options

2007-03-14 Thread Richard Bos
"In response to overwhelming user demand for Linux, Dell has posted a survey 
on a company blog that asks 'PC users to choose between Linux flavors such as 
Novell and openSUSE".  More at:
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux

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Re: [opensuse] Suse on a flash drive anybody?

2007-03-13 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 13 maart 2007 17:22, schreef Roger Oberholtzer:
> On a similar topic, does anyone have a vmware image for OpenSUSE 10.2? I
> would settle for an autoyast file that selects a decent subset that I
> can then install myself. Anyone seen such a thing?

http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/


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Re: [opensuse] frustration and suggestions

2007-03-02 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 20:17, schreef kanenas:
> 1.  the same does *not* happen with older versions of SuSE in the very same
> hardware (ok, it's on a different partition, but that;s the only diff).

Switch off beagle
(something like 'rpm -e beagle')

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Re: [opensuse] Re: wine and new libraries

2007-02-28 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 28 februari 2007 11:24, schreef Eberhard Roloff:
> for me, this usually works with
> 1. winecfg
> 2. go to the tab "libraries" (or similar)
> 3. enter your library there as an override, which means that wine will
> use your library instead of using the builtin functionality for the
> purpose.

That looks promising, I'll give this a go.  I'll let you know the result.

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[opensuse] wine and new libraries

2007-02-27 Thread Richard Bos
Hi,

I just installed wine-0.9.31 for a proprietary application that is being said 
runs using wine-0.9.29 and up.  However, it needs some libraries that are not 
part of wine.  An example is Host.dll.  I downloaded Host.dll from the net 
and saved it into /usr/lib/wine.  After executing the application with wine, 
wine still complains that it cannot find it.  After moving the libs to 
~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32 the application can be launched.  There 
still seems to be a problem with the application, might that because the 
dll's are not correctly recognized/initialized by wine?

How can I have those dll's installed systemwide in /usr/lib/wine and 
recognized by wine?

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Re: [opensuse] multiple proxies in kde

2007-02-26 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 26 februari 2007 10:23, schreef Kostas Georgokitsos:
> I have 2 proxies in my network and would like to let smome applications use
> one and some the other, particularly with amarok. is there a general way to
> do that? Amarok had no special configuration option. Alternatively, setting
> no proxy at all for amarok would also be ok.

just from the command:
# no_proxy=system.domain.tld amarok
or
# ht/ftp_proxy=http:.: amarok

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Re: [opensuse] Beryl

2007-02-26 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 26 februari 2007 18:17, schreef Jay Smith:
> >Now, having said that, I have to report that I removed it all from the
> >computer because of the extra overhead that it requires and because I
> >personally do not need or want many of the bells and whistles that are
> >provided. So, to summarize, it is really nice eye candy but it made my
> >system slow down because I don't have gobs of memory.
>
> Agreed,I had used it and deleted it. It's not meant to be much more than
> eye candy but still, it's cool. Vista's Aero can barely compete with that.
> Vista's Aero is eye candy as well but not meant to help much. LOL.

because of Beryl I had people start to have a look at linux.  A nice distro 
for this to come with beryl out of the box, is knoppix ;)

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[opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch

2007-02-23 Thread Richard Bos
Be carefull with illegal MP3 codecs, you might be fined:
"SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A federal court jury in San Diego on Thursday 
returned a $1.52 billion verdict against Microsoft Corp. after finding it 
infringed on two digital audio patents owned by Alcatel-Lucent."
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-ordered-pay-alcatel-lucent-15/story.aspx?guid=%7B1DD3996C%2D8037%2D4528%2D9203%2DA612C9AD2564%7D&siteid=yhoo&dist=yhoo

Next time use ogg, MS.

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Re: [opensuse] APT for Open SuSE 10.2

2007-02-22 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 22 februari 2007 12:08, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> All works fine now
>
> 
>
> The version that did NOT work - got it from SMART   :(

That's because you did not configure smart to use my 
repository  ...home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2  Smart would have pulled in 
apt-..org... otherwise.  In other words you can't blame smart for the fact 
that it did not work.

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Re: [opensuse] APT for Open SuSE 10.2

2007-02-22 Thread Richard Bos
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 08:29:38AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>  - apt lives  :)
> 
> 
>  . . . have just used 'Smart' to install APT in SuSE 10.2,
> 
> 
> BUT, the apt Sources List for SuSE 10.2 does not appear to be working at 
> present

Can you be more precise?  WHat kind of error do  you see.  Of what
is not happening, what you expect ot happen?
 
>  - does someone have a Sources List for Trusted Repositories, that is 
> currently working please ?

It works for me and others, see above be a bit more speific in the
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Re: [opensuse] group ware info

2007-02-21 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 21 februari 2007 22:44, schreef Jack Malone:
> What some of the folks want are a share calendar an address
> book feature. Is there something out that that will let me have that
> with out using alll the features. i need for this to be free or very
> low cost, ( no budget for it at the moment).  I have a operate on a
> shoe string budget here, we have a few old codgers on the board that
> watch what we spend in the computer / software area an they grip if I
> spend too much money or they think im spending too much. At the
> moment I have suse 8 or 8.2 on my main server, not had a need to
> upgrade the production server an its running good. I'm fixing to
> install 10.2 on my backup server an get it going agian an I host this
> on that machine when I have up an running.

http://en.opensuse.org/kolab

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 18:45, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
> > ps: do I need to be concerned with i586 vs x86_64 packages being
> > installed?  'apt-get upgrade -s' does not report architechure or I do
> > not know how to see it...
>
> I also notice that apt-get wants to install updates that seem to be the
> same version as already installed:
>
>
> 12:39 wahoo:~ # rpm -q cups cups-client cups-libs --last
> cups-libs-1.1.23-40.12                        Tue 30 Jan 2007 09:48:06 AM
> EST cups-1.1.23-40.12                             Tue 30 Jan 2007 09:47:55
> AM EST cups-client-1.1.23-40.12                      Tue 30 Jan 2007
> 09:47:48 AM EST
>
> 12:38 wahoo:~ # apt-get upgrade -s
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following packages will be upgraded
>   cups cups-client cups-libs
>  [...]
> Inst cups [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) []
> Inst cups-client [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable) []
> Inst cups-libs [1.1.23-40.12] (1.2.0-0.1 SuSE:10.1/stable)
>
> 12:40 wahoo:~ # smart query --installed cups cups-libs cups-client
>  [...]
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Let's find out; just execute 'apt -d upgrade' or if you only want to test it 
with a few pkgs use 'apt -d install cups cups-client cups-libs'.  (-d 
download only).  During the download the architecture will be shown, and this 
can be checked in the dir /var/cache/apt/archives as well (use ls -l cups*).

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 18:31, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
> ps: do I need to be concerned with i586 vs x86_64 packages being
> installed?  'apt-get upgrade -s' does not report architechure or I do
> not know how to see it...

When pkgs get installed, it will select the right one for your architecture.  
During the installation I see lines like:
pkg.i586

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 17:22, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
> * Richard Bos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-18-07 03:42]:
>  [...]
>
> > No, I have always used apt, though I looked at smart.  But as a long
> > time apt user I have not been able to become used to smart.
> > Apt(-rpm) obtained a new maintainer and so apt is still alive.  It
> > supports the repomd repositories, provided by opensuse, very well.
>
> 11:11 wahoo:~ > rpm -q apt-beta apt-beta-libs
> apt-beta-0.5.15lorg3.90-9.1
> apt-beta-libs-0.5.15lorg3.90-9.1
>
> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
> E: Error occured while processing libinstrudeo (NewVersion1)
> E: Problem with MergeList
> /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp4.gwdg.de_pub_linux_suse_apt_SuSE_10.1-x86%5f64_base_
>pkglist.suser-guru E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed
> or opened.
>
> running "rpm --rebuildb" atm, but I suspect that the Package file is
> too large:
> ls -la /var/lib/rpm/Packages
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 62304256 2007-02-18 10:46 Packages

No you're running out cache ;)
Next time, you have to google 1st ;)
http://rwxii.bitblaster.com/k/11-1-1-031211102449/permlink.hptb

...and the answer is:

Put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf and the problem goes away, at least it did for 
me today:

APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;

ps: I have no idea to which value you have to set cache-limit.  I found to 
values for the limit.  One is 8 and the other is 12MB.

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Re: [opensuse] Google Earth OT

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 16:35, schreef Randall R Schulz:
> > => It's a QT app.
>
> In that case it should respond to the KDE control center settings,
> right?

Hmm, difficult to say.  I would say it is independent of kde.  KDE is built on 
top of QT and as such kde would pick up changes that are made to QT, but not 
the other way around.  There is a ~/.qt directory, perhaps you're looking for 
that?

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 15:27, schreef Carl Hartung:
> On Sun February 18 2007 03:42, Richard Bos wrote:
> > See above.
> > You can get it from:
> > http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2/
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Care to share or point me towards a working 'safe' set of *.list files
> (10.2 i686)? I guess the repositories have been juggled around since I last
> tried getting it to work here. 'install-apt4suse --update-srclist' and
> 'apt-get update' are just spitting out download failure errors.

Just install 'apt-beta' and 'apt-beta-libs' (normal apt an apt-libs, may be 
installed as well, but the beta performs well for me already for a long 
time).  They come with a correctly configured sources.list file, that point 
to opensuse base and opensuse update only.  The file contains examples that 
point to opensuse' buildserver.  I hope this is sufficient, if not let me 
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Re: [opensuse] Repository for ClamAV

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 12:23, schreef Joe Morris (NTM):
> Rick Friedman wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a repository for the latest version (0.90) of ClamAV?
> > The latest version I can find in any repository is 0.88.
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Where did you look?  It is at your favorite mirror, projects/clamav.  Or
> just wait til next week.

It should be on opensuse's buildserver and not in the projects area :(  The 
unfortenate thing of 
ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/projects/clamav/clamav-0.90 
is, that it does not provide a repomd repository :(

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Re: [opensuse] Google Earth OT

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 05:45, schreef Randall R Schulz:
> > Worked great.Wouldn't know how to make those teeny fonts in the menus
> > larger, would you?
>
> I believe it's a GTK application, so its GUI fonts (menu and such) can
> probably be configured via the Gnome Control Center.

Wrong, see: http://www.trolltech.com/customers/allcustomers/google/ 
http://www.trolltech.com/pdf/Introducing_Qt_1006.pdf (page 31)

=> It's a QT app.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 18 februari 2007 02:12, schreef Patrick Shanahan:
> > 1 minute of work over here.  I added the source NX/openSUSE_10.2 to
> > my apt source.list file, executes apt update and did 'apt install
> > NX'.  Version 1.5.0-82 got installed ;)
>
> You returned to apt from smart?  

No, I have always used apt, though I looked at smart.  But as a long time apt 
user I have not been able to become used to smart.  Apt(-rpm) obtained a new 
maintainer and so apt is still alive.  It supports the repomd repositories, 
provided by opensuse, very well.  

> I thought apt was depricated 

See above.
You can get it from: 
http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2/

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Re: [opensuse] Apache question

2007-02-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 17 februari 2007 20:32, schreef James Hatridge:
> When I go to "http://localhost/"; on my system I get "It works!". Where is
> that page in the file system? I can not find it!

that should be in /srv/www/htdocs/

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE updater (OT, slightly)

2007-02-17 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 17 februari 2007 12:09, schreef Verner Kjærsgaard:
> Just to give you an exampe; SuSE10.2, plain vanilla, new install.
> I've been trying for a couple of days to update the freeNX server to the
> latest - which can be found at
>
> software.opensuse.org/download/NX/openSUSE_10.2/
>
> This is what you'll enter into YaST as a software repository. Only the
> darned thing doesn't work, at all
>
> You'll get:
>
> "Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or did not
> accept remote source. Aborting refresh"
>
> A few very kind people on the NX-machine list has been very kind to help.
> All to no avail.
> Mind you, I did not change anything, anything at all in the SuSE/YaST
> installer system.
>
> It just doesn't work. I've tried at least 5 times at differenct time
> intervals. It doesn't work.
>
> I need to upgrade to this latest Freenx server, only I can't. No matter
> what I do.
>
> Any help?
>
> :-)

1 minute of work over here.  I added the source NX/openSUSE_10.2 to my apt 
source.list file, executes apt update and did 'apt install NX'.  Version 
1.5.0-82 got installed ;)

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Re: [opensuse] System Mail

2007-02-15 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 15 februari 2007 22:38, schreef Peter Bloomfield:
> I set up a machine under SuSE 10.2. during the setup I created a user and
> selected that the user receive any system mail. I now want to stop that so
> that root receives system mail.
>
> Does anyone know where to look to do this?

/etc/aliases maybe?

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[opensuse] Apache running perl in userdir, how?

2007-02-11 Thread Richard Bos
Hi,

I try to get a perl based webapplication running on my opensuse-10.2-i586 
installation.  It's a bit challenging, so to say

The webapplication is ftree (http://www.cs.bme.hu/~bodon/en/ftree2/).  In the 
end I want that I can run this as a regular user 
in  /home/*/public_html/ftree/ (with * being any regular user login).

Using yast I have now been able (again) to make /home/*/public_html working 
again, as this seems only possible via a virtual host  9quite confusing, 
to say the least).  But it does not allow perl scripts to be run (yet).

Therefor I changed to /srv/www/cgi-bin, as I know that perl is allowed to be 
run from there.  And indeed ftree can be run from there.  Actually ftree is 
installed in /srv/www/cgi-bin/cgi/ftree.cgi
The ftree.cgi script refers to pictures with ../graphics/, but these are 
not found.  While the files are there (.e.g):
/srv/www/cgi-bin/graphics/hblank.gif
Why does ftree.cgi does not see those pictures?  Is it 
because /etc/apache2/conf.d/mod_perl.conf specifies:
ScriptAlias /cgi-perl/ "/srv/www/cgi-bin/"  ?
 

Anyway, is someone able to provide me hint how to get perl working 
in  /home/*/public_html.  Being with or without yast?


Hmm, there are some funny things going on in this apache area.  I can't read 
back the settings with yast for the vhost?  Although there is 
a /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/yast2_vhosts.conf file.  Is this a known problem?

It does not seem possible configure log files for this vhost, using yast.  Is 
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Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2006-06-05 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 08:58, schreef jdd:
> could we have an alias (or something similar) between
> suse-linux-e and something like
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
> may be part of the problem comes from the name. suse-linux-e
> may be understood, like all the others suse.com lists, as
> Novell specifics or pre-opensuse SUSE Linux distributions
> (up to 9.3)
>
> unifying the names should enhance the system.

Hmmm,  opensuse-linux-e?

But, as we experience people think that this is the _technical_list.  So, 
let this list grow to be the technical list and as has been proposed before 
create a new list opensuse-community.  Come'n, opensuse is the a techical 
project and as such I (and many others as can be experienced) expect _this_ 
list to be about technical issues.

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Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray

2006-06-04 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 4 juni 2006 00:34, schreef Pascal Bleser:
> > I think that the buildserver could build/create a channel rpm for each
> > project and have those stored in a central place.  This would be a good
> > start.
>
> It won't be in a central place, unfortunately.

In my phrase above, I referred to the projects that are build on the 
buildserver.  I mean if the packages are allowed to be build on the 
buildserver, they are allowed to be distributed by by opensuse.  Or are these 
2 different animals?

If all sofrtware build on the buildserver is allowed to be distributed by 
novell/opensuse, than it is also possible to create smart channel files/rpms 
for each of the projects hosted on the buildserver.  Once an rpm is created 
it can be stored/movedto a common directory on the buildserver.

> It could be done for repositories that don't contain stuff like mad or
> lame (which discards my repository and Packman, at the very least), like
> latest mozilla.org packages, latest wine packages by Marcus, latest
> OpenOffice.org packages, etc...
>
> But the other ones must be hosted elsewhere.

See above.  It's about the software provided via the buildserver.  At the end 
it may result in 2 'smart-channel' repositories.  One at the buildserver and 
another 1 hosted somewhere else, providing smart-channel rpms that are not 
possible to host on the buildserver.

> Note that this structure would make it possible to host the/my smart
> RPMs in the openSUSE Build Service.
> I was very reluctant to the idea, and I'm still pretty sure it is going
> to make things more difficult for end-users but well... dunno... I'll
> think about it ;)
>
> The point is that to install e.g. smart-channel-packman, you'll have to
> add the Packman repository in the first place, because it won't be
> hosted in the Build Service... chicken vs egg.

No, it will be different.  Assume that there are 2 smart-channel directories 
(buildserver, and e.g. at packman).  You should include those 2 channels by 
default in your smart rpm.  The only thing the user now has to do to add 
packman is:

smart install smart-channel-packman and packman is added :)

In the same swing, one can execute:
smart install smart-channel-bs-home:rbos (bs = buildserver)

ps: is this discussion okay to be held here (opensuse = community) or should 
it be moved to somewhere else?

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Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray

2006-06-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 3 juni 2006 15:45, schreef Pascal Bleser:
> > The idea behind this is to be able to add a channel using the command:
> > smart --install channel-
>
> It's even easier to provide .channel files somewhere (like the .repo
> files in the Build Service), and just do
>
> smart channel --add http:///guru.channel
> smart channel --add http:///packman.channel

Not sure whether this is easier from a user perspective.  In your case the 
user needs to remember the url pointing to the channel repository.  In my 
proposal it is not needed to remember this.  One could for example use 
smart's functionality to find the channel rpm.  Once the correct rpm 
(providing the desired channel), just execute 'smart install channel-'.  
Or the more lazy type of user could execute 'smart install '**.' and 
have the channel installed that way.  The only requirement is to have all 
channel rpms in a common place.  Just like the rpmkey rpms that I maintain at 
the moment.

Your proposal just a *.channel repository is easier from a packager 
perspective, as there is not rpm needed.
The advantage of having the channel files in an rpm, is that those gets 
updated automatically when the corresponding channel file gets updated.  This 
is the same for the rpmkey rpms.

The best place to host those channel rpms are of course suse itself as they 
get than mirrored automatically.  But as you already stated that might not be 
possible due to law implications.

I think that the buildserver could build/create a channel rpm for each project 
and have those stored in a central place.  This would be a good start.

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Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray

2006-06-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 3 juni 2006 13:51, schreef Harry ten Berge:
> What I would like to see that the SUSE specific channels you added to
> the package (thank you for that!) will be done
> in a separate package. So the distribution comes with a default package
> with the Smart tooling, and a separate
> package with all known additional distribution specific repositories.

Perhaps, a new a channel can be created that provides seperate rpms for each 
possible channel.  For now let's call this channel 'channels'.  So this 
channel provides e.g. the rpms:
- channel-kde
- channel-suser-guru
- channel-packman
etc

The idea behind this is to be able to add a channel using the command:
smart --install channel-

Although, I'm not sure that this will actually add the channel, it would be 
nice if this was possible.  By creating a new project 'channels' on the build 
server, it would be possible for build server users to maintain the channel 
rpm.

Just an idea, perhaps it works...?

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Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 19:10, schreef houghi:
> Naturaly he was talking to/about you. Who else would make a case for apt

What case?  People that know apt use it happily.  People that don't know apt 
are advised by suse (and it's community) to use smart for the moment.  When 
zypp/rug or working normally people will use that.  That's fine with me (case 
closed).  I think that apt should just be part of the suse distribution, like 
it is in 10.1 (not on CD, but on the ftp server).  This is the best case. 
Case closed ;)

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Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 19:07, schreef houghi:
> E.g. Yast Online Update was able
>
> > to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch
> > CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves) if it was
> > possible to store the packages and repository data on my HD.  Can
> > anybody give me a hint if it is possible?
>
> This would also be nice not only for updates, but RPM's in general. e.g. I
> can download MPlayer and all that is needed into /usr/src/packages/RPMS/*
> and can use that as a base for other machines (or whatever)

I guess all pkg mgr will store their downloaded rpms.  APT does this 
in /var/cache/apt/archives, yast and samrt will do this somewhere else.  
Those archives can be used for other machines as well.  In my 
case  /var/cache/apt/archives is nfs mounted to different machines and as 
such the cache is shared among different machine automatically.  It would be 
nice if all pkg managers would use the same cache.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 18:58, schreef Thomas Meindl:
> Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers
> store the downloaded packages locally?

apt can do this ;)

E.g. you build your own package that is of course stored locally.  Install the 
package with 'apt install '.  Apt will install the app and when it 
requires other pkgs they'll be retrieved from the repository.

Another nice is to install based on file name, like:
apt install /usr/bin/smart 

apt will investigate which package provides  /usr/bin/smart  and will install 
that one :0

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Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 17:37, schreef Pascal Bleser:
> apt-rpm - Richard is a big fan of it, maybe you'd
> like to make a case for it ;)).

:)

Pascal, what do you mean with "you'd like to make a case for it"?
What case?  Do you refer to me or to the some of the previous posters?


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Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-26 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 26 mei 2006 19:44, schreef Martin Schlander:
> Unless I'm mistaken Apt is not included on 10.1 - but Smart is - or Yum.

Apt is part of the 10.1  It does not come on the CD's but it is downloadable 
from the servers (it's part of the suse part that is only available via ftp).

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Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-22 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 19 mei 2006 15:10, schreef Siegbert Baude:
> >> I'll see if I can help with this tonight, but I believe apt4rpm=smart as
> >> the developer(s) of the first have moved on to the second.
> >
> > This is not correct.  apt and smart are 2 complete different beasts.  The
> > apt-rpm developers indeed moved to smart, but in the meantime other
> > people have taken over apt-rpm development.  This resulted in the
> > addition of repodata [1] support.
> >
> > [1] Same format as yast/you repository
>
> Interesting. As the apt4rpm mailing list is dead since months, I also
> believed the project is not active anymore. 

apt4rpm and apt-rpm are 2 different things...
apt4rpm is software to support the creation of repositories, it is heavily 
used on gwdg.de for example.

apt-rpm provides the apt client (among other things).  It just saw a release 
today: http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-rpm/

> As you're one of the persons 
> with most insight, what would you recommend for 10.1? Smart or apt4rpm?

The comparison should be smart vs apt-rpm.  Nowadays it should not matter, as 
the repository is standardized on repodata format.  This should be supported 
by all clients, like smart, yum, yast/zen, apt and what more do you have.

> Can you maybe shed some lights on the differences or give a pointer to a
> doc, where they are compared?

No, I don' have.  But I assume that google might help you out with this 
question ;)

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Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1

2006-05-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 17:50, schreef Alexander Antoniades:
> > maybe you can help and expand it with examples for apt4rpm?
>
> I'll see if I can help with this tonight, but I believe apt4rpm=smart as
> the developer(s) of the first have moved on to the second.

This is not correct.  apt and smart are 2 complete different beasts.  The 
apt-rpm developers indeed moved to smart, but in the meantime other people 
have taken over apt-rpm development.  This resulted in the addition of 
repodata [1] support.

[1] Same format as yast/you repository

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Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.1 is Done

2006-05-05 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 5 mei 2006 20:18, schreef Mathias Homann:
> correct me if i got the facts wrong, but this also means an end to
> packman, guru, scorot, and all those other additional installation
> sources "out there", as well as to my own source i'm maintainig
> mainly for my own entertainment...

Have a look at ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/10.1-i386/ and decide 
for yourself  I think that you have your facts wrong.

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Re: [opensuse] dbus-1 vs dbus-1-* dependency bug

2006-05-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 3 mei 2006 11:25, schreef Andreas Jaeger:
> > I just wanted to install over FTP from factory (64 bit) and hit the same
> > problem. When is sync meant to be complete?
>
> The packages on our server are synced out to ftp.opensuse.org, I see:

it's fixed for me, thanks for the fast turn around time!

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[opensuse] dbus-1 vs dbus-1-* dependency bug

2006-05-02 Thread Richard Bos
It's hard to install dbus-1-qt while satisfying its dependencies and 
dependencies for other packages at the same time.

It looks like, that the packages dbus-1 has not been updated in sync with the 
package dbus-1-mono (providing among other packages dbus-1-qt).

This is the problem in short:
k3b needs dbus-1-qt >= 0.60
dbus-1-qt needs dbus-1 = 0.60-29
but only dbus-1 = 0.60-28 is available.  Is it possible to have package dbus-1 
= 0.60-29 synced out to the world?

The problem depicted with tools:
medion101:~ # apt install k3b
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  k3b: Depends: dbus-1-qt (>= 0.60)

medion101:~ # apt install dbus-1-qt
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  dbus-1-qt: Depends: dbus-1 (= 0.60-29)

medion101:~ # apt showpkg dbus-1 | head -4
0.60-28.i586
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp4.gwdg.de_pub_linux_suse_apt_SuSE_10.1-i386_b
ase_pkglist.base)
0.60-25.i586(/var/lib/rpm/Packages)

medion101:~ # apt showpkg dbus-1-qt | head -4
0.60-29.i586
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp4.gwdg.de_pub_linux_suse_apt_SuSE_10.1-i386_b

SuSE/10.1-i386/RPMS.base > rpm -qp --requires dbus-1-qt-0.60-29.i586.rpm  |
 head -1
dbus-1 = 0.60-29

SuSE/10.1-i386/RPMS.base > ls dbus-1-0.60-28.i586.rpm
dbus-1-0.60-28.i586.rpm

Should I open a bug report for this, or will it be taken care of via this 
emaillist?

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Re: [opensuse] index or not

2006-05-02 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 2 mei 2006 12:45, schreef jdd:
> We see often questions about the packages included on one or
> an other SUSE Linux Version.
>
> the smaller complete list is INDEX.gz.
>
> even unzipped, it's not that big, but it's long (3200 line
> approx).
>
> Mediawiki seems to accept it. Can you test this. If there is
> no problem, it's easy to makes this available for wiki users.
>
> http://fr.opensuse.org/Utilisateur:Jdd/test
>
> I see no problem with Konqueror or Mozilla.

Now why not just use (refer to this in the wiki or whatever):
http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/home.html#contents

It's refreshed every 4 or 6 hours, and contains not only suse base packages, 
but many, many 3rd party packages as well.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE @ Google Summer of Code 2006

2006-04-30 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 28 april 2006 10:43, schreef Christoph Thiel:
> > We are now looking for ideas, proposals, projects, etc. around openSUSE
> > and SUSE Linux, that could be worked on in Google Summer of Code. As the
> > period of application for SoC is already very short, we need to get our
> > proposals for project online May 1st, 2006, at the latest.
> >
> > So, for example, if you are missing a certain YaST module, or a special
> > feature in the distribution, speak up now!
>
> I know quite some people are using the SMART Package Manager these days:
> So, I'm going to propose some extensions to SMART to handle the new
> rpm-md+ based update channels for SUSE Linux, including deltarpm support,
> etc. Maybe a QT GUI for SMART would be a nice feature as well, eh? Is
> there anything else that you are missing in SMART that could be addressed
> by a SoC project?

What about a repodata enabled _repository_  I really mean repository and not a 
bunch of directories scattered around a server, like it is now.  Have a look at 
my 
apt (repodata enabled) sources.list file:

repomd ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/kolab suse-10.1
repomd ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ 
suse
repomd ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/update 10.1
repomd ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/install/10.1/SUSE-Linux10.1-RC2-Extra suse
repomd ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/apt4rpm rpmkeys

It's a big mess.  It's not the apt way of doing with all components in 1 place, 
like e.g:
rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/ SuSE/10.1-i386 packman usr-local-bin 

When will there be a centralized package repository for suse (including 3rd 
party
contributred packages).  The repository should provide a list of all packages 
and files
in the repository (including on the not subscribed channels/components).

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[opensuse] how long is the support period for suse-10.1?

2006-04-25 Thread Richard Bos
With the previous suse releases (prior to suse-10.1) the support period is 
about 2 years, or 4 suse releases (if I'm correct).  I mean supported by suse 
for security issue's.
As example suse-10.1 is about to be released, which means that suse-9.1 will 
be moved from the supported version, if I'm not mistaken.  Now how long will 
the support period be, with the new 8 month release cycle?  Does that mean a 
suse version will now be supported for 30 months, or will be support still 
stop after 2 years (24 months)?

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[opensuse] gnuplot is it working on 10.1?

2006-04-22 Thread Richard Bos
Due to this article http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/11/2112243 about 
CD freshness I installed gnuplot.  But it does not appear to work.  Am I 
doing something wrong, or is it does plain broken??

on101:/usr/share/doc/packages/gnuplot/demo> 
gnuplot /usr/share/doc/packages/gnuplot/demo/battery.dat

gnuplot> 50.00 0.036990 2.50 0.007039
 ^
 "/usr/share/doc/packages/gnuplot/demo/battery.dat", line 4: invalid 
command

The 4th line in the data file is just the 1st datafile:
demo> head /usr/share/doc/packages/gnuplot/demo/battery.dat
#
# $Id: battery.dat,v 1.1.1.1 1998/04/15 19:16:41 lhecking Exp $
#
50.00 0.036990 2.50 0.007039


and the --help says:
demo> gnuplot --help
Usage: gnuplot [OPTION]... [FILE]

Looks to me it is broken

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Re: [opensuse] From OS News and Desktop Linux

2006-04-21 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 21 april 2006 14:47, schreef Andreas Jaeger:
> > - Beaglein was the most ressource using proces in top for the first 20
> > mins. after first boot - without me ever telling the daemon to start
> > (through Kerry).
>
> That's the index creation for the man pages etc.,

What is the performance of beagle, when used on thin client server (LTSP)?  In 
my case it is for a class, so when many pupils start up their session their 
could be many beagle instances running.  What effect will that have on the 
thin client server, will it be brought down on it knees?

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Re: [opensuse] list of distro content

2006-04-19 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 19 april 2006 22:46, schreef houghi:
> I looked at it and found no content like ARCHIVES.gz. ARCHIVES.gz has much
> more then just the name of the rpm.
>
> From the first lines:
> --- Here comes contents of all files: ---
> -- *.rpm *.tar.gz *.tar.Z *.tgz *.taz *.tar.z *.tar *.deb ---
> -- found in any subdirectory 
>
> You also get the RPM info and such. Not just the files. Especially the
> Summary and DEscription are interesting.

But than again, you're missing the latest greatest rpms and the community 
provided rpms.  Try to find e.g. gramps or kolab in the pin archive, you 
won't succeed with the data above you'll

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Re: [opensuse] list of distro content

2006-04-19 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 19 april 2006 19:11, schreef houghi:
> > > should be nice if you could link this from a wiki page :-);
> >
> > from which one?
>
> http://en.openSUSE/org/Pin
> Just start editing. ;-)
>
> I think a powerfull and underestimated tool like `pin` deseves its own
> page. I use an adapted version all the time.
>
> How is ARCHIVES.gz created? I would like to include it in makeSUSEdvd,
> especially with the -a option.
>
> An official openSUSE website around this would also be great, although I
> can imagine that the buildserver will have something like it.

Yuu can use the following file:
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/10.1-i386/base/contlist.bz2

It shows which packages are available.  It's intended use is described here:
http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/home.html#contents

More data might be available in following format:
bin;ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.1/rpm/i586/aaa_base-10.1-15.i586.rpm;aaa_base;10.1-15;i586;;MD5_OK;GPG_OK;060404;314427
d
This info should be accessible from this location, but it is not (don't know 
why): ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/share/suse101/cache/
Among other things it gives information, about the size and the date the 
package was added to the repository


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Re: [opensuse] No Postgresql in 10.1 RC1?

2006-04-16 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 16 april 2006 23:07, schreef Jerry Westrick:
> I failed to find the postgres packages in 10.1 RC1?
> I also miss gkrellm, and pdftk
>
> Is this only for the RC, or is postgres support being dropped?

They are available in the online repository.  Perhaps there are not on the 
CDs.

10.1-i386/base > zgrep postgres cont*
libgda-postgres;1.3.91-27;i586;base
mono-data-postgresql;1.1.13.5-5;i586;base
postfix-postgresql;2.2.9-4;i586;base
postgresql-contrib;8.1.3-8;i586;base
postgresql-debuginfo;8.1.3-8;i586;base
postgresql-devel;8.1.3-8;i586;base
postgresql-docs;8.1.3-8;i586;base
postgresql-jdbc;8.1-8;noarch;base
postgresql-jdbc;8.1-8;src;base
postgresql-libs;8.1.3-8;i586;base
postgresql-pl;8.1.3-8;i586;base
postgresql-pl;8.1.3-8;nosrc;base
postgresql-server;8.1.3-8;i586;base
postgresql;8.1.3-8;i586;base
postgresql;8.1.3-8;src;base
qt-sql-postgresql;4.1.0-14;i586;base
qt3-postgresql;3.3.5-50;i586;base
rekall-postgresql;2.2.6-13;i586;base

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE version naming

2006-04-16 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 16 april 2006 13:00, schreef houghi:
> I personally would drop the numbers and go with dates. e.g. `SUSE 2005
> Spring` instead of SUSE 10.1.

Or use lizard types/sorts instead.  I assume there are enough lizard types out 
there, to give out to suse distro's for the coming 10 years

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Re: [opensuse] Internet updates on suse 10.1

2006-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 18 februari 2006 20:09, schreef SOTL:
> There are a lot of other issues but the easiest current major issue to fix
> would connection and user GUIs for databases.

Did you try knoda (I did not, so I can't say how good it is).

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Re: [opensuse] Internet updates on suse 10.1

2006-02-18 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 18 februari 2006 18:08, schreef Karl Lattimer:
> How does "still in beta" imply that there are no updates? Do you just
> release the same packages as the beta in the final? Is there actual
> movement between betas or does your distribution team keep updates
> secret until the release of an entirely new beta installer (which is
> broken to the extent of having to replace your previous install).

There are over 112 new packages for 10.1 in the last 2 days and 1812 in the 
last 10: http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms/

Well, happy updating :)

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Re: [opensuse] Wishlist

2006-02-15 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 15 februari 2006 23:25, schreef Theo v. Werkhoven:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 you said:
> > I just went over the list and commented a few entries:
>
> [..]
>
> > * postfix with mysql support: Part of 10.0 already AFAIK
> >   (postfix-mysql)
>
> Can't find this anywhere, not in Yast, or with pin.

It's on the server:
opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS/inst-source/suse/i586/postfix-mysql-2.2.5-5.i586.rpm

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Re: [opensuse] Communication, News etc.

2006-02-14 Thread Richard Bos
Op dinsdag 14 februari 2006 21:54, schreef Peter Flodin:
> Some things that I think needs to change.
> 1. All opensuse-announcements should be on the OpenSUSE News wiki
> page. Not just a one liner with a link to the mailing list archive.
> 2. A selection of other news worthy items should also go on this page.
> 3. The page should be included into the design of the front page.
> 4. The News page should be available via RSS, with free usage terms.
> ie allow anybody to do anything with the RSS.

Or just create a suse blog.  Fits all 4 points above except the inclusion in 
the wiki front page.  Bug making it a blog, makes it easy to include the rss 
feed into *planet* sides.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE @ FOSDEM 2006!

2006-02-11 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 14 januari 2006 01:27, schreef Pascal Bleser:
> I don't have the numbers for this year's edition as I don't have all the
> schedules yet (I manage the devrooms & booths at FOSDEM), but last year we
> had 140 (!!) talks in the various devrooms alone, throughout the weekend
> (1.5 days actually).

Hello Pascal,

is there already some more information available about the individual 
presentations?  There are quite a list of presentations on the fosdem site 
announced, butno schedule.  An overall schedule would be nice as well, like 
at sunday 11:00 hours, this, this, this and this is happening.

Is it possible to provide this information?

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Re: [opensuse] opensuse on Flickr

2006-02-09 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 9 februari 2006 18:04, schreef Nicola -kOoLiNuS- Losito:
> Yesterday I was surfing Flickr groups searching for SUSE/openSUSE stuff ...
> i've found a SUSE group with only one member in it and decided to open an
> opensuse group.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/opensuse/
>
> the group is, obviously, open to everyone who would like to join in  I
> thought it can be fun, hope you'll have fun too ...

For what can this be used, can you give a little introduction about its 
possibilities?

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE Status Meeting 2006-01-24 minutes

2006-01-25 Thread Richard Bos
Op woensdag 25 januari 2006 11:54, schreef Henne Vogelsang:
> Action Item cthiel:
> - Find out how many votes a user has in the KDE bugzilla

5 x (max) 20 points

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[opensuse] Smart (package installed) wish list for opensuse

2006-01-22 Thread Richard Bos
About 2 weeks ago there was an email exchange about smart, that listed some 
missing features (which are present in apt) and some oppertunities for 
improvement.  I have created bug reports in the smart tracker, they have been 
marked 'opensuse' in the title so they are easy to find.  Here is the list:
http://tracker.labix.org/issue?%40search_text=&project=&title=opensuse&%40columns=title&topic=&id=&%40columns=id&creation=&creator=&activity=&%40columns=activity&%40sort=activity&actor=&priority=&%40group=priority&status=&%40columns=status&assignedto=&%40columns=assignedto&%40pagesize=50&%40startwith=0&%40sortdir=on&%40queryname=&%40action=search

Let's see, whether this will be fixed for suse-10.2

Should this be mentioned here, factory ML or both?

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE @ FOSDEM 2006!

2006-01-15 Thread Richard Bos
Op vrijdag 13 januari 2006 19:49, schreef Christoph Thiel:
> Please note that this schedule isn't cast in stone in any way yet -- so if
> you would like to contribute to our DevRoom (e.g. by delivering a talk or
> by giving a tutorial), raise your hand NOW (or contact me off-list).

I miss a very important topic, but perhaps it will be mentioned during the 
build env talk.   How is suse going to organize 3rd party packages 
repositories, similar to the apt repository at gwdg.de?
This repository will of course be repodata formatted and I miss information 
about this too.  As those 2 are very much related to each other it would be 
nice to see this being dealt with in 1 of the presentions.

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Re: [opensuse] apt-rpm in Factory / SUSE Linux 10.1 (was: The goodness of Smart)

2006-01-12 Thread Richard Bos
Op donderdag 12 januari 2006 16:36, schreef Christoph Thiel:
> We have just decided to give apt-rpm / apt4rpm a last grace period and
> readded it to the distro. It will _only_ hit Factory (and later on the ftp
> trees of SUSE Linux 10.1). Many thanks to Philipp Thomas for taking the
> maintainership of the apt packages!

You guys are superb!

> Having said that, I'd like call for testing SMART as much as possible.
> This is the project / package manager that will sooner or later supersede
> apt, so be sure to test it NOW and provide feedback ;) [The version of
> SMART (0.40) that's in 10.0 is quite suboptimal -- please try the one in
> Factory / 10.1, which is much better!]
>
> To assist SMART to actually get there, I'd also like to collect a list of
> "missing features" and "things that need to be fixed" until SMART can do
> the job apt does for you guys. Any volunteers to create a wiki page and
> file bugs (preferably at http://tracker.labix.org/)?

Can't (are we allowed) to put [suse]/[oss]/[opensuse] in the title or another 
field in the bugreport.  What about adding a 'topic' = opensuse to the 
roundup bag tracker (at the moment it does not seem to be used).

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Re: [opensuse] The goodness of Smart (was: Upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 using apt?)

2006-01-09 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 9 januari 2006 00:39, schreef Mauricio Teixeira:
> Em Sáb, 2006-01-07 às 13:25 +0100, Richard Bos escreveu:
> > What does not work: are urls with login and passwords, like:
> > ftp://login:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/dir

smart :
Fetching information for 'Mijn pakketten op gwdg on linux01'...
-> ftp://apt4rpm:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/apt4rpm/10.0/repodata/repomd.xml
repomd.xml  

[ 29%]
error: Failed acquiring release file for 'Mijn pakketten op gwdg on linux01':
error: ftp://apt4rpm:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/apt4rpm/10.0/repodata/repomd.xml: 550 
Failed to change directory.

not so smart (ftp):
linux:/var/lib/smart/channels # ftp 
ftp://apt4rpm:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/apt4rpm/10.0/repodata/
Connected to linux01.gwdg.de.
220 "Welcome to linux01.gwdg.de FTP service."
331 Please specify the password.
230 Login successful.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
200 Switching to Binary mode.
250 Directory successfully changed.
250 Directory successfully changed.
250 Directory successfully changed.

> Hum... It always works for me, either with FTP or HTTP (basic auth).

Tell me what is different than (my firewall maybe)?

> > There is a field labelled alias and another one name (when adding a
> > channel). I think the name field should be labelled "description".  If
> > that would
>
> alias = netmask
> name = Mauricio Teixeira
>
> alias = yaloki
> name = Pascal Blesser
>
> alias = suse-base
> name = Suse Base Packages

The last one clearly shows that 'name' is not the right one.  'description' is 
better as it is more general.  If you want to keep a name than use it as 3rd 
(info only field).  So it can be used as:
name: Pascal Blesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > Is there a central directory that shows which repositories are available?
>
> That should be up to the distro (or contributers) to make it available.
> Check for example this site: http://easyurpmi.zarb.org (central mirror
> listing for Mandriva).

So, why is suse not providing this?  Or anybody else that wants suse to switch 
to repodata.  Have a look at:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/10.0-i386/examples

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Re: [opensuse] The goodness of Smart (was: Upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 using apt?)

2006-01-09 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 9 januari 2006 10:01, schreef Mauricio Teixeira:
> > what is it doing during update.  Does it contact the server and retrieve
> > data from there, or is doing something else.
>
> It checks if something changed, like the rpm database or any other file
> from any other channel (stored on /var/lib/smart/channels). If it
> detects any changes, it reads everything (rpm database and channel
> files) to reconstruct the data. It only retrieves files from network
> when you do an 'update'.

Could the text be changed from 'Updating cache' to 'Updating local cache' or 
do not show the '#'.  I (and others I think) associate those  '#' 
with downloading (retrieving) data from a remote server.

> > Well it is easy reproducable.  Install a package as regular user, withour
> > root permission.
>
> I don't get a crash, I get an obvious error:
>
> [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/var/lib/smart/packages/sazanami-fonts-20040629-7.noarch.rpm.part'

Me too now.  I don't have the traceback, that's a pity.

Why is there no check whether the directory is writable because if this done 
with many packages, it starts to download (it at least) tries and will than 
tell for each package that the directory is not writavle.  Besides that is 
time consuming.  Please check the download directory permission first.

> Since I can't write to the cache, I can't install. Even if I do a direct
> rpm install, I get:
>
> error: db4 error(13) from dbcursor->c_put: Permission denied
> error: error(13) allocating new package instance
>
> Which means the crash you got isn't related to the regular user
> installing anything at all.


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Re: [opensuse] Upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 using apt?

2006-01-09 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 8 januari 2006 23:45, schreef Mauricio Teixeira:
> You're invited to join the mailing list and share your thoughts. I'm
> sure the way Smart is being developed you could even get better results
> than with APT in the future.

Hmm, I get a strange feeling reading this.  Smart is better than apt in the 
future and apt is left out of suse now?  This clearly states that suse left 
apt out of distro to soon.

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Re: [opensuse] Upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 using apt?

2006-01-09 Thread Richard Bos
Op zondag 8 januari 2006 23:40, schreef Mauricio Teixeira:
> > I would rather like to stick with SMART and get a much testing on SMART
> > as possible. Because at the end of the day, we will have a mature package
>
> So very true. If you always have apt available, there would be less
> people testing and helping Smart growing. 

This is wrong way.  People should be using because others are telling it is 
better than apt.  What you otherwise would get is that people are using smart 
once and go back to:

> Besides, there would always be 
> the 3rd party packagers, who could still make it available regardless of
> the distro decision.

Indeed to 3rd party providers...  Now suse take on the challenge and provide 
apt, that would make smart better and it would be better faster!

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Re: [opensuse] The goodness of Smart (was: Upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 using apt?)

2006-01-09 Thread Richard Bos
Op maandag 9 januari 2006 11:07, schreef Christoph Thiel:
> > Please copy and past the relevant text.  So we do not all to install
> > 25Megs and dig through it to read only 1k
>
> It's too much stuff to copy and past via mail. I can provide you with a
> tar.bz2 copy of those files, if you like (via private mail).

 I did not ask for the development guide.  I asked is YOU repodata aware?  I 
think the answer is no, but it is being worked on.
Than; is yast2 --software (or what is the option) repodata aware.  I don't, 
guess you do.

PS: this is actually a different topic than smart, but okay I think we can 
cope with this.

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