Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
On 18/10/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: Gotta think like a media person Bill. If you can't show it on TV, it didn't happen. Here you go Bob http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7048284.stm -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
On 10/18/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: Not that the Canadians are going to nuke us:-). But there are some leaks up there in the great northern expanses. Not likely Paul. Our boat is in dry dock, our helicopter crashed into the boat, and our sub caught fire. We're tied up at the moment.:-0 Dave On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:26 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Why does Hawaii have INTERSTATE highways? I mean, what other states can you drive to from Hawaii? ;-D Whatever makes you think that road projects are primarily about moving vehicles? Hawaii, I suspect, has interstate highways for the same reason that Wyoming (or some such state) has more Homeland Security dollars per capita than New York. Mountain hideaways cost more than penthouse suites WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)
From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/19 Fri AM 10:01:43 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics) mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 08:14:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Well, Canada did buy a bunch of F-104's. Too bad ours were low-level nuke ground attack birds (Absolutely no air-to-air capability due to lacking a gun prior to 1972 and a dedicated ground-attack radar instead of the normal air-to-air set). We shoulda bought F-105 thuds instead. The CF-104 killed a lot of Canadians. Not to mention the Germans and Americans. Should have gone for the EE Lightning. For some reasons, the Italian pilots had a reputation of being better than the others in managing the Starfighter, including the F104G and the later version F104S developed and built by Aeritalia, which remained in service till 2004 (!!!). Italy had a lower accident rate and a lower number of dead pilots among those flying the 'spillone' (big pin) than the other countries. Who better than the Italians to drive it right onto the runway? 8-) And now, let's discuss WWII planes with a quiz for warbird buffs out there. Please take a look at www.dariobonazza.com/public/KGP03047.jpg What's that? Civilianised P51 Mustang? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
Dario Bonazza wrote: And now, let's discuss WWII planes with a quiz for warbird buffs out there. Please take a look at www.dariobonazza.com/public/KGP03047.jpg What's that? Nose of an early P-51 Mustang? Or maybe a Hawker Hurricane? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Built-in flash and syncro flashes
Actually I think Metz makes some controlled flash (small ones unfortunately) which sould work OK with that. They are supposed to learn the delay between preflash and actual flash. Those are obvioulsy made to use an external (small) flash with PS cameras. But the technology seems to exit. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
Yes, it's a Merlin. No, it's neither e Messerschmitt nor another plane developed from a ME109. Dario - Original Message - From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Starfighters Co. Doug Franklin wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: And now, let's discuss WWII planes with a quiz for warbird buffs out there. Please take a look at www.dariobonazza.com/public/KGP03047.jpg What's that? Nose of an early P-51 Mustang? Or maybe a Hawker Hurricane? Neither. Although it's almost assuredly got a Merlin upfront. Maybe one of those wierd Merlin/ME109 crosses? -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Cory Papenfuss wrote: Oh, possibly. But the point is that two megapixels *alone* won't do anything - there has to be more to it. Lower noise would count :) I don't expect Pentax to go full-frame yet but I certainly hope they don't try to cram more than 10 MP into an APS-C sensor. A 1.2-1.3 crop would suit me fine. I don't remember the particular of the comment, but I thought at one point someone had said that the cropped lenses (DA, etc) could probably cover a 1.3 crop. Maybe not with SR? The flip side is that with a 1.2/1.3 crop, FF lenses could still definately utilize SR. With a true FF, they may not be able to... especially on long focal length. -Cory I think that a 1.3x crop would likely be marginal for SR and DA lenses. FF lenses of course should still have enough coverage for 1.3x crop. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what Adam has told us about the newest sensors, 12 megapixels with good noise characteristics might well be possible at 1.5. Could be. But every so often I look at what Nikon's getting from 12 megapixels at full-frame... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
mike wilson wrote: From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/19 Fri AM 09:05:02 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) On 19.10.2007, at 02:36 , Adam Maas wrote: That depends, if those extra 2MP come with a stop or two better noise, they just might. I can only confirm it won't be just 2 MP of difference ;-) I believe you just earned shitbag status. 8-))) I thought Cotty was the only one able to bestow shitbag status on a list member. I'm feeling that my exclusive club is becoming over run with pseudo-shitbags. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
On Oct 19, 2007, at 1:08 AM, mike wilson wrote: Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their approval rating falls below 20% and make way for the next joker. GWB could be a leader and show the way ... History would them remember him well. I think you just issued an invitation to the Homeland Security goons. Yes, Mr. Goon. Will you be around for tea? Fine then, I'll tell the missus. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Feels right, Paul. Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wouldn't be logical from a marketing point of view to introduce a camera that can't use the lenses that you've just introduced. The DA* 60-250 hasn't even seen the light of day yet. Plus, most of the full frame lenses seem to have been discontinued. I suspect that the only ones being sold now are existing stock. Of course we might one day see a full frame camera along with a new line of lenses, but I doubt that Pentax is ready for that now. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what Adam has told us about the newest sensors, 12 megapixels with good noise characteristics might well be possible at 1.5. Could be. But every so often I look at what Nikon's getting from 12 megapixels at full-frame... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
When SR is turned off, does it automatically center? It must, huh? Jack --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: Oh, possibly. But the point is that two megapixels *alone* won't do anything - there has to be more to it. Lower noise would count :) I don't expect Pentax to go full-frame yet but I certainly hope they don't try to cram more than 10 MP into an APS-C sensor. A 1.2-1.3 crop would suit me fine. I don't remember the particular of the comment, but I thought at one point someone had said that the cropped lenses (DA, etc) could probably cover a 1.3 crop. Maybe not with SR? The flip side is that with a 1.2/1.3 crop, FF lenses could still definately utilize SR. With a true FF, they may not be able to... especially on long focal length. -Cory I think that a 1.3x crop would likely be marginal for SR and DA lenses. FF lenses of course should still have enough coverage for 1.3x crop. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Haven't posted a PESO in a while...
David J Brooks wrote: Very nice, and a great idea. I confess that I only thought of it because the leaden skies threatened to spoil the classic tourist crap photos I was going to take... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home
Nope, does not work in the BBPro web pages. I tried it in several locations in the head, and i still get the save picture as pop ups. Dave On 10/13/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, drop this line into the head of any web page. body oncontextmenu=return false; That will do it as best as you can. Here is a simple HTML: --code starts below this line-- !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 body oncontextmenu=return false; titleA Picture/title /head body bgcolor=black pfont color=blackI suck!!/font/p center pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=1/p pimg src=nytimes.jpg/p pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=16/p /center /body /html -code ends above this line- Note where I located the line mentioned. Now go here and try to save the picture using either right click or keyboard shorcuts. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/nytimes.html This will stop the casual web browser. As has been mentioned before, nothing can stop the serious people who are intent on grabbing your content no matter what. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
LCBO Photo contest
Mainly for the Ontario PDMLers, but I see the LCBO is having a photo contest. Five categories, winning submissions published in the Toronto Star, and a Dslr package as 1st prize. No mention of brand, but its a full kit, body, lens, flash, cards, reader, bag and printer. I think I'll submit a few and see what happens. If i win, then i keep my non enhablement streak alive, unless you count the beer bought. www.lcbo.com :-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
On Oct 19, 2007, at 8:31 AM, Cotty wrote: The pecking order is 1. Shitbag 2. Fartbag 3. Sleazebag. Is there a position for smeghead in your hierarchy? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Tom, One thing you are forgetting is that pro-level 645 glass is far more readily available than the equivalent 35mm glass (outside of the FA Limiteds, the 50/1.4 and 35/2). I can readily get lenses like the 35/3.5 in 645 mount, but not so much for the 20/2.8 or 85/1.4 in K mount, let alone a 28-70 f2.8 FA*. If Pentax wants to play in the Pro market, they will either need to flood the market with a whole series of new pro-level 35mm lenses, or go 645 which actually has the needed glass available used. 100,000 28-80 f4-5.6's and a couple million 50mm f2's does not a pro lens market make. The large number of consumer K mount lenses help prop up Pentax's consumer market, but they're next to worthless to pro shooters. Also the market for an inexpensive 645 DSLR is mostly untapped. Mamiya is the only real player there (with the ZD Back and 645ZD bundle) and they're so strapped for supply that they're essentially ignoring the larger UK and US markets in order to keep up with demand in Europe, Japan and Canada. If they could keep up with worldwide demand, they'd probably start posting numbers the size of the rest of the MF Digital market The issue there has always been cost, not demand, keeping the market small, with MF shooters moving to the 1Ds because it was the only economic choice for that level of resolution. -Adam Tom C wrote: Are you sure those lenses are in production? Designed maybe, but I would think otherwise in the same status as the 645D. They're not making lenses for a camera that's not on the production line. I'm not expecting it or holding my breath, but to me it makes *more sense* to produce a FF 24 X 36 body than the 645D. Here's why: 1. Canon and Nikon both now have FF bodies on the market. If Pentax can get one out in short order they can be #3 to do so, ahead of Sony and Olympus. That would be a big feather in Pentax's cap. 2. The sales of a 645D would be relatively small compared to the sales of a FF 24 x 36 body because the market is smaller. Pentax 35mm body/lens owners out number Pentax 645 owners by a large factor. Can't begin to guess what it is, 100-to-1, 1000-to-1? 3. Moving to a 645 format is much costlier to non-645 system owners because they must buy into a whole new system. I'd personally be more likely to buy a FF Canon or Nikon 24 x 36 body if I was going to change systems. Last but not least it would still fit in the same camera bag. :-) 4. Pentax can do the in body sensor crop when DA lenses are attached, preserving the usefulness of the DA lens series for those that have purchased them. 5. It can't be any harder for Pentax to design and manufacture a FF 24 x 36 body than the 645. They have all the basics. Yes they would need to reeingineer the image processing engine, have a larger LCD, and other firmware/hardware changes, but that's a given with any new camera model. The only thing really holding them back would be whether they can obtain a sensor at a price point that will put the resulting product within reach of a large number of customers. Like I said at the start. I'm not expecting it but it makes sense in a lot of ways. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:42:50 + In fact, more likely than a full frame camera and a line of lenses is the 645D. Lenses for that camera are already in production. If Pentax wants to go pro, that seems to be the only logical way to do it. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It wouldn't be logical from a marketing point of view to introduce a camera that can't use the lenses that you've just introduced. The DA* 60-250 hasn't even seen the light of day yet. Plus, most of the full frame lenses seem to have been discontinued. I suspect that the only ones being sold now are existing stock. Of course we might one day see a full frame camera along with a new line of lenses, but I doubt that Pentax is ready for that now. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Moonrise
Well, its not street photography, thats for sure. It is, however, avery lovely and peacefull photo. Love the winding river Dave On 10/17/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken this past Saturday in Pt Reyes near San Francisco. We actually went to see some of the wildlife and at the end of the day on the way back, we were confronted with the scene. I have rendered it just as we saw it. It was a fairly low key, peaceful scene rather than an overly punchy scene. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 70mm, Tripod mounted ISO 200, 4 sec @ f/5.6, manual everything http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0137a.htm In light of the discussions, I guess some may like this and say so, some may critique, some may nothing and possibly no one will comment. But that is ok, I'll deal with whatever comes. -- Thanks, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Moonrise
On 10/17/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rarely am I thoroughly comfortable with a scene which includes large, dark featureless areas. So you have seen photos of me at GFM then. Dave I always envision that I could have made out some detail, however subtle. Just me.(?) Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken this past Saturday in Pt Reyes near San Francisco. We actually went to see some of the wildlife and at the end of the day on the way back, we were confronted with the scene. I have rendered it just as we saw it. It was a fairly low key, peaceful scene rather than an overly punchy scene. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 70mm, Tripod mounted ISO 200, 4 sec @ f/5.6, manual everything http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0137a.htm In light of the discussions, I guess some may like this and say so, some may critique, some may nothing and possibly no one will comment. But that is ok, I'll deal with whatever comes. -- Thanks, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
I do like the light, but the rendering on my system looks a little flat. As light levels tweak to the shadows highlights, looks better IMHO. Cheers, Dave On 10/19/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken at the beach at Pt. Reyes - The sun was near setting and caused the soft glow depicted. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Peso Free loaders
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6544943 The blue jays are getting braver these days and i can now get about 15' or so away from them. Taken in the front yard in a bit of drizzle. K10D, FA 70-200 and cropped a bit in PSCS Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
Contrast levels are always a little tricky - the monitor viewed on has some impact - too much contrast and you lose subtle detail. I'll certainly revisit and see if more boost has any negative impact. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, October 19, 2007, 10:22:42 AM, you wrote: DS I do like the light, but the rendering on my system looks a little flat. DS As light levels tweak to the shadows highlights, looks better IMHO. DS Cheers, DS Dave DS On 10/19/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken at the beach at Pt. Reyes - The sun was near setting and caused the soft glow depicted. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Moonrise
Bruce, This version does render much cleaner. A beautiful image and composition! Tom C. From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Moonrise Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:47:19 -0700 Just got back from a day of working in San Francisco (weekly affair) and have posted your request. What happened is that my gallery creation software had a limit set on size, which caused the image to be shrunk a little bit more than the image loaded up to Pentax Photo Gallery. That resized a sized down version - I'm sure that didn't help. Anyway, here is the image again: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0137a.htm There is a chance you may need to refresh it in your browser. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, October 18, 2007, 11:02:20 AM, you wrote: TC Got the link on how to get back in and view submitted photos? TC Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Moonrise Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Bruce, I like the rendering on your Moonrise offering to the Pentax Gallery. Better! Jack --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken this past Saturday in Pt Reyes near San Francisco. We actually went to see some of the wildlife and at the end of the day on the way back, we were confronted with the scene. I have rendered it just as we saw it. It was a fairly low key, peaceful scene rather than an overly punchy scene. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 70mm, Tripod mounted ISO 200, 4 sec @ f/5.6, manual everything http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0137a.htm In light of the discussions, I guess some may like this and say so, some may critique, some may nothing and possibly no one will comment. But that is ok, I'll deal with whatever comes. Stunning, Bruce! Just stunning. I wish I were there to see it first-hand. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
There is a bit of nonsense in that article, but it seems basically correct. The thing you do not get from photos is how big the thing is. Without the weapons pod, the only way I saw one, on the ground it looked like it is on stilts. I worked on RB-47's and the 58 was almost as long as one of them, and stood a good story off the ground, you could have driven a truck under its belly. It was much more impressive in reality than any of the photos made it look. In a brief conversation with the pilot I was told that the plane could go in supersonically in terrain following mode about 50 feet off the ground several miles away from the target pull up into Immelmann turn releasing the pod just before going over on its back toss it in a high parabolic curve to to the target, and after rolling back to level get the hell out before the the pod hit. He claimed that in that get the hell out mode the plane could do mach 3.5 for a few minutes before skin temperatures became a problem. Of course he could have been exaggerating. However, if the aircraft could do mach 2 with the pod and a full fuel load I do not see why it could not do 3.5 without the pod and only 30% or so fuel. A couple of points at variance with the article you linked; The on board computer did fly the aircraft in terrain following mode. The weapons pod was not a guided missile, aimed yes, guided no. I guess I would call the thing an attack bomber as opposed to a strategic bomber. Certainly the Air Force had nothing that could carry the 58 piggy-back no matter what the original design concept might have been. keith_w wrote: graywolf wrote: The B-58 never existed. The one I thought I saw on the flight line when I was in the Air Force was obviously a figment of my imagination. Or maybe a cardboard mockup. Also, either the pilot or Jane's was lying about the performance. Uh huh... See: http://www.aviation-history.com/convair/b58.html keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home
Firefox 2.0.0.8 Dave On 10/19/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home Nope, does not work in the BBPro web pages. I tried it in several locations in the head, and i still get the save picture as pop ups. It shouldn't matter where it goes in the header as long as it is between the tags head /head. What browser are you using for testing? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Around $2400 for the two year old Canon EOS 5D. Heck if Pentax produced a virtually identical camera to that, at around that price it would be fantastic. Tom C. From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:49:52 -0400 On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 10:06:18AM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what Adam has told us about the newest sensors, 12 megapixels with good noise characteristics might well be possible at 1.5. Could be. But every so often I look at what Nikon's getting from 12 megapixels at full-frame... They're getting (or will soon be getting) around $4500, IIRC. That's not Pentax's playing field. I won't be basing any future purchasing decisions on megapixel count. Nor, I suspect, will most Pentax customers. I'm sure there will be an increase (to at least 12MP), but I rarely find even 10MP a problem. I'm much more interested in low noise at higher speeds. I don't really care how that is achieved, either - I certainly wouldn't pay a premium for a FF body greater than the cost of, say, the 12-24 DA zoom. I'm more interested in frame rate and buffer size, which are in some way antithetical to higher pixel counts. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
Not entirely correct, the German tanks had better communications gear, which gave the edge once combat began and a Commander who got to fight the tank full time, whereas the early T34 had a two man turret with no radio, the Commander had to aim and fire the main gun and fight the tank part time. To communicate use flares, which could only be used for prearranged signaling or unbutton the tank to use hand signals, now many commanders did that anyway, but the signals were easy to overlook in any case in the heat, (and smoke), of battle. In many cases communication trumps superior armor. The Israelis proved that using Shermans against T55s. mike wilson wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 06:16:54 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics The arms of Krupp is not entirely correct. The invasion of France was carried out using a large number of training tanks, (Panzer I and II's which had very small guns and light armor, the I in fact had no gun at all in the heavy weapon category, it was armed with twin .30 cal, (7.62mm) machine guns), there weren't enough of any front line German tanks to go around, and large numbers of Czech Tanks were pressed into service. A number of weapons thought to be quintessentially German were really of Czech origin. Russian Tanks were never that much better than German, in fact the vaunted T34 while a very good tank was most effective because of it's large numbers not it's inherent superiority, it was actually a prewar (1937-38 or there about) design, that began to enter service in late 1940 to early 1941.. The Germans actually were the ones who created the mid war designs, the Panther and Tiger were both answers to the T34. If they could have been built in sufficient numbers, (the Russians out produced the Germans in tanks by somewhere between 10-20 to 1, most being the T34, because they were good enough), the Russian T34 probably wouldn't have the reputation it has today. ... Wahoo! Tank thread! Just been discussing this elsewhere.. The PanzerV (developed to combat the T34) was, indeed, in some ways a better tank. In fact, in only one way - it was much better armed. In a direct confrontation it would beat both the T34 and the Tommykocher Sherman. But... It was massively more complex and expensive to build. It was also not designed well for field maintenance. It had a petrol engine, making it quicker but much more thirsty then the opposition. Finally, the slave labour that was forced to build it has a pretty good programme of sabotage going. A recent rebuild of one found oil galleries not completely drilled, cigarette butts in oilways, handfuls of swarf in gearboxes. Once the T34 was rearmed with an equivalent artillery piece, it was more then a fighting match for the PV, which had never been a match for the T34 as a functional fighting machine. Bob Sullivan wrote: Adam, Based on the Arms of Krupp book, Hitler had the war machine designed and under construction long before overtaking any Chechoslovak stockpiles. By the end of the war, the German tanks (pre '40's designs) were outmatched by the Russian tanks (newer, better armored designs). Whether or not some resistance early on would have derailed Hitler is pretty speculative. Regards, Bob S. On 10/18/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: On 10/18/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, It's an all too common opinion in post-Trudeau Canada. It's also not shared by all Canadians. The sad thing is that war ~isn't~ a last resort these days (competent actors or no)... cheers, frank ps: what's Trudeau got to do with it? -f As an aside, the history of WW2 would be a lot different if the British and French governments hadn't used violence as a last resort. There's a lot of evidence to indicate that a robust response to either the Remilitarization of the Rhineland or the Occupation of the Sudetenland would have resulted in a quick coup removing Hitler. It's certain that most of the tanks that rolled into Poland in September 1939 were Czech, the Weremacht was in many ways an empty shell until the takeover of Czechoslovakia gave the Germans access to the Czech's stockpiles of armor and equipment. Violence is the last resort of the incompetent only because the competent resort to it sooner. Of course, it is far too often used as a first or second resort, which is tragic. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, it?s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Re: PESO - Moonrise
If you are in such areas, how would I know? ;-)) Jack --- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rarely am I thoroughly comfortable with a scene which includes large, dark featureless areas. So you have seen photos of me at GFM then. Dave I always envision that I could have made out some detail, however subtle. Just me.(?) Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken this past Saturday in Pt Reyes near San Francisco. We actually went to see some of the wildlife and at the end of the day on the way back, we were confronted with the scene. I have rendered it just as we saw it. It was a fairly low key, peaceful scene rather than an overly punchy scene. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 70mm, Tripod mounted ISO 200, 4 sec @ f/5.6, manual everything http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0137a.htm In light of the discussions, I guess some may like this and say so, some may critique, some may nothing and possibly no one will comment. But that is ok, I'll deal with whatever comes. -- Thanks, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Free loaders
Nice capture Dave, but I think its too tightly cropped. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Peso Free loaders http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6544943 The blue jays are getting braver these days and i can now get about 15' or so away from them. Taken in the front yard in a bit of drizzle. K10D, FA 70-200 and cropped a bit in PSCS Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: my new photo book SIGNS GONE BY - was : FS Friday - coals to New Castle
Ann, finally had a chance to look at the photos for the calander. There are great. One question with cafe press. Do you put the calander together using their software, or just send them photoso and say you want a calander made. Dave On 10/19/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and, uh, make that Newcastle so I don't offend the Brits :) Finally SIGNS GONE BY is in good shape and on sale here: http://www.lulu.com/content/1228584 also, son of sign language the black and white calendar is here: http://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff.179091525 I went with the unposterized version of the photos, as you will see. I know some of you wanted the son of Sign Language calendar (the ones who kept nagging me about when was I gonna do it) so pony up boys :) LIke my soft sell approach? There is all that other stuff on the cafe press site of mine for sale too, and the daybook and poetry book are on lulu... If everyone on the list bought just one item from cafe press or bought one of the books there is a fair chance I could make by credit card payments without rotating them at least for one month anyway. Aside to Paul S I had to remove the ICC RGB profile from all the shots and reinsert them in the doc file to correct the color.. ugh! But there was a great guy at lulu helping me straighten it out. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Visitor in the office
Yes it's a kitten, but I posted a puppy shot so I'm not allowed to complain. Charles Robinson wrote: Two disclaimers: 1. Not Pentax 2. Not Art. Just aaaw ..and one warning: Adorable kitten! With all that out of the way... http://charles.robinsontwins.org/ photos/2007/best/pages/page_79.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS Friday - coals to New Castle , I know - but please checkt this stuff out
ann sanfedele wrote: mike wilson wrote: Two things: 1. Unlike your own town, Newcastle is one word. 8-) I can rationalize that (aside from being miss typo, second only to Brooks in that area) I once had an honorable mention in one of the New York Magazine's weekly contests with the theme of slightly changing old saws like this one. My entry was 'Don't carry old coals to the new castle. :) 2. How so we get signed copies? hmmm. Well you could come to New York good option for me :) a couple of options here - I could mail you a post card or a note to slip in to the book or label to attach to prove you're a friend :) The problem with paying me for one is that I only have one good copy - unlike the poetry book, where i splurged and got about 10 copies myself to circulate and sell here, I kinda got to a situation where I should not spend even one more dime of credit to get the books. If several people paid me with paypal so I could pay lulu that way I could sign them and mail them out, getting one book at a time from them would be difficult. A couple of you already bought the book directly from lulu - one wrote me and told me so , the other is a mystery . I truly can't buy anymore of them myself until I get more money coming in and it has been a really bad month. Any UK Paypalista want to join up to get some? I would offer but Paypal insists that I already have an account and both won't let me access that one or open a new one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Visitor in the office
David J Brooks wrote: Cute cat. Is'nt this why Mike Johnson left the list. Oh that and flowers. and guns... cute cat. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
I like the feel of this one, however the foreground body of water is distracting to me, takes away from the rest of the image. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: PESO - Beach Scene Taken at the beach at Pt. Reyes - The sun was near setting and caused the soft glow depicted. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Moonrise
Look for the plaid jacket in amungst the darkness. Dave On 10/19/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are in such areas, how would I know? ;-)) Jack --- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rarely am I thoroughly comfortable with a scene which includes large, dark featureless areas. So you have seen photos of me at GFM then. Dave I always envision that I could have made out some detail, however subtle. Just me.(?) Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken this past Saturday in Pt Reyes near San Francisco. We actually went to see some of the wildlife and at the end of the day on the way back, we were confronted with the scene. I have rendered it just as we saw it. It was a fairly low key, peaceful scene rather than an overly punchy scene. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 70mm, Tripod mounted ISO 200, 4 sec @ f/5.6, manual everything http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0137a.htm In light of the discussions, I guess some may like this and say so, some may critique, some may nothing and possibly no one will comment. But that is ok, I'll deal with whatever comes. -- Thanks, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Free loaders
David Savage wrote: On 10/20/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/10/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: I know, even with IS, I can't hand-hold my 300mm F4 and expect tak-sharp images; much less with the 500. Give up the coke. Yeah the caffeine in it is doing you no favours. Cheers, Dave Nah it's my scrawny arms... And i don't think cotty was referring to coca-cola... :-P -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
From: mike wilson From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their approval rating falls below 20% and make way for the next joker. GWB could be a leader and show the way ... History would them remember him well. I think you just issued an invitation to the Homeland Security goons. This ain't Stalinist Russia ... YET. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Shooting the Orionids
This weekend the Orionid meteor shower will be going on. Sunday is also my birthday, so since I'm going to be staying up late anyway, I figure I might as well go out and shoot some shooting stars. What are good settings for shooting such things? Shutter speed, aperture, ISO, noise reduction on/off, etc. I've never tried to shoot a meteor shower before, so any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks, John Celio (28 for just a little longer) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 03:46:48PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: A few days ago Mike J had a really interesting historical tale of camera marketing and product lines: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2007/10/in-the-early-19.html Apropos of nothing: I just love the fact that in the sponsor advertisements at the left of the screen How to Shoot RAW is immediately followed by artistic nudes -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
Bruce Dayton wrote: If you will look closely, the photo is not tilted - the horizon is really out at the ocean - it is faint blue but is there. The seeming tilt is because the beach slopes down towards the ocean and the body of seems like it should be the horizon. It is deceiving that it seems like that body of water should be the horizon. BRuce -- I know that... I think Godders is just saying it would look better with the foreground being the line that is straight... I love the photo -- I was just saying that I see his point... of course if you did the slight tilt and the real horizon tilted as a result... welll.. :) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
Good eyes, that is correct - the photo is not tilted. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, October 19, 2007, 1:35:52 PM, you wrote: BO It looks to my eyes that the water in the extreme background is horizontal, BO but the beach has a slope to it. BO Bill BO -Original Message- BO From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ann BO sanfedele BO Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:27 PM BO To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List BO Subject: Re: PESO - Beach Scene BO Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm I like the light and overall feel. However it feels tilted to my eye due to the way the foreground and background interact, which is distracting. Godfrey BO hey, Godders -- I see what you mean - but I thought the overall photo BO was so strong I didn't notice it at first - BO Bruce, would too much be lost if you ever so slgihtly corrected it by BO sa 1 or 2 degrees so the top of BO the near water was really horizontal? BO ann BO -- BO PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List BO PDML@pdml.net BO http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net BO to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and BO follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
From: Kenneth Waller I think he's on track to be our worst president ever Worse that Hilary's husband? By far ... even worse than Nancy's or Plastic Pat's ... or even Barb. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
So where does 'Turd Gnat' fit in the order? -- Bruce Friday, October 19, 2007, 10:37:40 AM, you wrote: mw Cotty wrote: On 19/10/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: I thought Cotty was the only one able to bestow shitbag status on a list member. I'm feeling that my exclusive club is becoming over run with pseudo-shitbags. The pecking order is 1. Shitbag 2. Fartbag 3. Sleazebag. mw Honourable mention: mw Ratbag -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
From: Evan Hanson I think he's on track to be our worst president ever, but yeah he deserves kudos for doing to right thing. Yeah, I can accept that. Let me know then if he ever does. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Moonrise
I, too, would only ware a plaid jacket in dark featureless areas. Jack --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/_IGP3061_001.jpg Cheers, Dave On 10/20/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look for the plaid jacket in amongst the darkness. Dave On 10/19/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are in such areas, how would I know? ;-)) Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
I didn't say that the photo was rotated (although it might be). It just give me a sensation that it is due to the strong, sloping foreground lines. Godfrey On Oct 19, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Bill Owens wrote: It looks to my eyes that the water in the extreme background is horizontal, but the beach has a slope to it. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - Beach Scene Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm I like the light and overall feel. However it feels tilted to my eye due to the way the foreground and background interact, which is distracting. Godfrey hey, Godders -- I see what you mean - but I thought the overall photo was so strong I didn't notice it at first - Bruce, would too much be lost if you ever so slgihtly corrected it by sa 1 or 2 degrees so the top of the near water was really horizontal? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
Bill Owens wrote: It looks to my eyes that the water in the extreme background is horizontal, but the beach has a slope to it. That's the way I saw it too. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting times with Pentax
Roman Melihhov wrote: I remember how it all started with K10D. Lotta rumors, unrealistic expectations, even though it can shake itself shame it still doest do the laundry. At the end it was good tool that does its job well and helps achieving excellence in photography. Now another round, 12Mp? FF? 1.3x 1.25x crop, CMOS? CCD? It is always a photographer who makes good photographs, not the camera, but I'm sure Pentax RD guys are listening. Good captures to all of you this weekend. Roman. Good bet? 12MP, 5fps, improved AF system, ~20 RAW buffer, 1-2 stops better high ISO noise. ISO200-6400 native. New shutter with 1/8000 and 1/250 sync. Possibly with 14bit RAW's and Live View. Hopefully all stuffed into a K10D body (I like the K10D body) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Beach Scene
It looks to my eyes that the water in the extreme background is horizontal, but the beach has a slope to it. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - Beach Scene Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm I like the light and overall feel. However it feels tilted to my eye due to the way the foreground and background interact, which is distracting. Godfrey hey, Godders -- I see what you mean - but I thought the overall photo was so strong I didn't notice it at first - Bruce, would too much be lost if you ever so slgihtly corrected it by sa 1 or 2 degrees so the top of the near water was really horizontal? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
It is crazy... (or lost opportunities for Pentax)
About 1.5 years ago, at the very last moment I decided not to place my bid on e-bay for a Pentax 1.7x AF which I would have won for ~$150 or less if I placed that bid. In the last 2-5 months I saw them going on e-bay for about $300 or so. This morning one was bought for $610. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=250175380367 Geee That's the market where Pentax is not getting its money. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Tom, You know Hoya management? Can you introduce them to the rest of us? Paul -- Original message -- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] May be, but relative comparisons like that don't necessarially fly with those holding the purse strings. I just can't see Hoya management, more pragmatic than the former Pentax mgmt., going down a risky road with a 645D. Tom C. On 10/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So did Mamiya. Pentax is a lot more healthy. -Adam Tom C wrote: Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades and did have a respectable MF presence. Where has that gotten them to today? Tom C. From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:18:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00) 645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web site. If the 645d does return it will be a large scale New Product introduction. Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor do I think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real demand for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand for K mount lenses. All true, but BH still list a number of 645 lenses, most in stock. Pentax's immediate challenge would be some normal and wide-angle 645 lenses, and they already have a new normal lens on the lens map. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
- Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades and did have a respectable MF presence. Where has that gotten them to today? I think it is wrong to think medium format. Medium format used a certain film type that effectively put limits on its market penetration. A 645D is just another digital camera but with outstanding image quality. Price is the limiting factor and is at present an unknown. Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
May be, but relative comparisons like that don't necessarially fly with those holding the purse strings. I just can't see Hoya management, more pragmatic than the former Pentax mgmt., going down a risky road with a 645D. Tom C. On 10/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So did Mamiya. Pentax is a lot more healthy. -Adam Tom C wrote: Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades and did have a respectable MF presence. Where has that gotten them to today? Tom C. From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:18:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00) 645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web site. If the 645d does return it will be a large scale New Product introduction. Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor do I think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real demand for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand for K mount lenses. All true, but BH still list a number of 645 lenses, most in stock. Pentax's immediate challenge would be some normal and wide-angle 645 lenses, and they already have a new normal lens on the lens map. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
They're not really cameras anymore. They're optical computers. We think of the LX as a camera circa 1980. We should think of the latest crop of digital cameras as circa 10:30 AM. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/20/07, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Nobody knows the size of the MF based digital camera market as no one is really selling any. So what makes you think Pentax can do any better than Hassleblad, Maymia, Leaf etc? If no one is really selling any now, and the size of the potential market is unknown, isn't it a risky move to develop a product that may not sell in any great numbers? Also, why is everyone assuming that the 645D will be so much cheaper than the current products on the market? Have to say it: Also, why is everyone assuming that the 645D will be so much cheaper than the current products on the market? Look at the K10D. :-) While I appreciate the low price, it's got to be hard to make money on a body that depreciates by 50% in one year. It makes me wonder if they are still in the production line. Some of the stores selling at $999 would probably have to lose money selling at $699. I saw an *ist D online yesterday for $1299! In fact at $699 - $100 rebate, I'd expect the K10D to outsell the K100's. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
- Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at the K10D. :-) While I appreciate the low price, it's got to be hard to make money on a body that depreciates by 50% in one year. It makes me wonder if they are still in the production line. Some of the stores selling at $999 would probably have to lose money selling at $699. I saw an *ist D online yesterday for $1299! REPLY: This is in the US and reflect Pentax US policy. It is expensive in the rest of the world. I'm sure Pentax is making money on it as their imaging division is going in plus due to DSLR sales... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Shooting the Orionids
Tripod ISO 800 or 400 if light polluted A 20 - 31 mm lens most likely is the best choice. Over 50mm means you'll be cutting out too much sky and you don't know exactly where the meteor may fly through the frame. Too wide and the image of the meteor is likely to be to small to make a good impression. Aperture, bigger the better. Anything over 2.8 is definitely to small. Shutter speed 20 - 30 seconds otherwise you'll get very evident motion blur of the stars due to earths rotation. Noise reduction off. There's just as good of a chance a meteor will fly by while a dark frame is being taken as there is otherwise. Might as well maximize the chances of capturing it. Once you're in the peak of the shower, you might as well fire 20 to 30 second exposures off back to back, since it's pure chance that you'll capture one. If you're in a place where you can have some horizon in the shot it will make for a better image. A flash of light going through a star field only can make for some unexciting images. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Shooting the Orionids Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:03:56 -0700 This weekend the Orionid meteor shower will be going on. Sunday is also my birthday, so since I'm going to be staying up late anyway, I figure I might as well go out and shoot some shooting stars. What are good settings for shooting such things? Shutter speed, aperture, ISO, noise reduction on/off, etc. I've never tried to shoot a meteor shower before, so any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks, John Celio (28 for just a little longer) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - Britain Surrenders :-)
From the Writer's Almanac 10/19/2007 It's the anniversary of the surrender that effectively ended the American Revolutionary War, in Yorktown, Virginia, in 1781. That summer, the British had expected Washington to attack New York City. But when he learned that he might be able to capture the British forces on the Yorktown Peninsula in Virginia, he executed one of the boldest moves of the entire war, moving his army 400 miles in order to catch his enemy by surprise. He had to march his troops toward New York City first, to scare the British into hunkering down for an attack. Then he quickly moved south. The British commander only realized what Washington was doing two days after he'd already gone. Washington's men and their French allies marched every day from 2:00 a.m. until it grew too hot to continue. It was a hot summer, and on one day, more than 400 men passed out from the heat. Few armies in history had ever moved so far so fast. By the second week of October, they had reached Yorktown and surrounded Cornwallis. He agreed to a surrender that began at 2:00 a.m. on this day in 1781. The one soldier who didn't surrender was Cornwallis himself. He sent his sword with his second-in-command to be offered to the French general, signifying that the British had been defeated by the French, not the Americans. Washington was furious, but it didn't matter. England didn't have enough money to raise another army. Two years later, the Treaty of Paris was signed, and the war was officially over. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
So did Mamiya. Pentax is a lot more healthy. -Adam Tom C wrote: Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades and did have a respectable MF presence. Where has that gotten them to today? Tom C. From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:18:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00) 645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web site. If the 645d does return it will be a large scale New Product introduction. Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor do I think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real demand for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand for K mount lenses. All true, but BH still list a number of 645 lenses, most in stock. Pentax's immediate challenge would be some normal and wide-angle 645 lenses, and they already have a new normal lens on the lens map. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I Guess Discrimination Works Both Ways
BH http://tinyurl.com/2j7rz8 Tom C. That's a lot of camera sales! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
mike wilson wrote: BTW, wind your sound up and listen to the Merlin at full blast here. Don't play the Corsair one at the top, it will make you feel ill. http://www.aviationshoppe.com/Sounds1.html There used to be a tractor pull car here in the US that had either five or seven Merlins fitted. He claimed close to 10,000 HP, IIRC. They were /not/ stock-fitment Merlins. :-) I love the sound of the Wright radials, like the one in the Corsair. At an air show when I was a kid, a flight of three Corsairs buzzed the crowd at mess up our hair altitude and it was just stupendous, and nearly stupefying. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Mafud? (whoops)... Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:48:15 + colostomy bag? -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,,,or douchebag. Cheers, Dave On 10/20/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirtbag shouldn't be overlooked. Jack --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, you've forgotten the venerable Barfbag ! Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Cotty wrote: On 19/10/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: I thought Cotty was the only one able to bestow shitbag status on a list member. I'm feeling that my exclusive club is becoming over run with pseudo-shitbags. The pecking order is 1. Shitbag 2. Fartbag 3. Sleazebag. Honourable mention: Ratbag -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting times with Pentax
On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Possibly with 14bit RAW's Do you think that would be possible? I know you (or was it someone else?) have been saying the light collecting capability of sensors has been improved lately, but in order to achieve a higher bit count, a better electric charge storage capacity would probably be needed as well. Or at least, some papers I read on this a year or so ago seemed to suggest that 14 bits won't be possible with the current element sizes even with 0 noise. My take on this: 12 bit vs 14 bit RAW files has more to do with quantization than with charge capacity, which translates to DR. They could quantize the data captured by the current sensor to an 8, 11, 12, or 14 bit representation. The question is whether or not it is useful to do so. 12 bits is 4096 discrete energy levels; 14 bits is 16,384. Is there adequate resolution of energy levels in the sensor to make expressing that energy in a larger quantization meaningful? The assumption is that, given the present sensor, 12 bits is an accurate representation and there is no added value in going to a larger representation. The implication is that a new sensor might have sufficient resolution of energy levels to make a 14 bit quantization an advantage. Improved accuracy is the result, exercising more of that 22bit A-D converter. Maybe increased DR as well, if the imager actually does have additional DR. Godfrey I'm no electrical engineer, I play one on the PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades and did have a respectable MF presence. Where has that gotten them to today? Tom C. From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:18:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00) 645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web site. If the 645d does return it will be a large scale New Product introduction. Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor do I think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real demand for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand for K mount lenses. All true, but BH still list a number of 645 lenses, most in stock. Pentax's immediate challenge would be some normal and wide-angle 645 lenses, and they already have a new normal lens on the lens map. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement
I have been waiting for more information on this. I expect Ned is pretty busy these past couple of weeks, and of course he's been in NY for the past week with the PhotoPlus Expo. Personally, I don't really need more high end products ... my photography doesn't require a whole lot of more zoomy equipment ... but having professional services available for rapid turnaround on repairs, loaners, etc when an assignment comes up that I need to cover would be very useful. Godfrey On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Mark Erickson wrote: All, This may have already been discussed, but I think it's pretty significant. Ned Bunnell, an occasional poster to the Pentax forum over at DPReview, was recently promoted to President of Pentax Imaging in the USA. There's a nice congratulations thread over at DPReview. In a response in the thread, Ned himself wrote the following regarding Pentax USA's presence at PhotoPlus in New York: And we'll be announcing our new Pentax Pro Services program. M. Pro Services. If it's real, it's a significant step for Pentax in the USA. Sure doesn't sound like Hoya wants to pull the plug on their camera business, does it? What does it mean regarding upcoming DSLRs? More high end products, I hope -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement
On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Mark Erickson wrote: All, This may have already been discussed, but I think it's pretty significant. Ned Bunnell, an occasional poster to the Pentax forum over at DPReview, was recently promoted to President of Pentax Imaging in the USA. There's a nice congratulations thread over at DPReview. In a response in the thread, Ned himself wrote the following regarding Pentax USA's presence at PhotoPlus in New York: And we'll be announcing our new Pentax Pro Services program. M. Pro Services. If it's real, it's a significant step for Pentax in the USA. Sure doesn't sound like Hoya wants to pull the plug on their camera business, does it? What does it mean regarding upcoming DSLRs? More high end products, I hope --Mark That's seriously good news. Ned gets the market, which bodes very well for Pentax's biggest market, and Pro support is a place where everybody except Canon falls down (NPS is a joke, Oly is also finally introducing a Pro support system concurrent with the E-3 Launch) Oly's had a Pro Support Services for some time, Adam. It's just darn hard to qualify for it ... You have to prove that something like 80% or more of your income comes from the use of Olympus brand camera equipment. I have three friends who are members and they tell me that the service level it provides is outstanding, but it took each of them over a year to qualify. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting times with Pentax
Good bet? 12MP, 5fps, improved AF system, ~20 RAW buffer, 1-2 stops better high ISO noise. ISO200-6400 native. New shutter with 1/8000 and 1/250 sync. Possibly with 14bit RAW's and Live View. Hopefully all stuffed into a K10D body (I like the K10D body) Sounds like a good prognostication to me. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement
All, This may have already been discussed, but I think it's pretty significant. Ned Bunnell, an occasional poster to the Pentax forum over at DPReview, was recently promoted to President of Pentax Imaging in the USA. There's a nice congratulations thread over at DPReview. In a response in the thread, Ned himself wrote the following regarding Pentax USA's presence at PhotoPlus in New York: And we'll be announcing our new Pentax Pro Services program. M. Pro Services. If it's real, it's a significant step for Pentax in the USA. Sure doesn't sound like Hoya wants to pull the plug on their camera business, does it? What does it mean regarding upcoming DSLRs? More high end products, I hope --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What? was Striving for adequate; was Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
From: wendy beard On 10/18/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. I'm sure more than one person has taken photos of Belgian shepherds, and when you zoom into the image, the dog on the T-shirt has ears that look different from your Tyra image. It is the same. I know it for a fact. I even know whose shop it is. Just have to locate his contact details. Wendy If you say so ... but what I see is: Tyra T-shirt ^ ^ - ^ / \/ \/ \/ \ o o o o u u -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting times with Pentax
Adam Maas wrote: Roman Melihhov wrote: I remember how it all started with K10D. Lotta rumors, unrealistic expectations, [ ... ] Roman. Good bet? 12MP, 5fps, improved AF system, ~20 RAW buffer, 1-2 stops better high ISO noise. ISO200-6400 native. New shutter with 1/8000 and 1/250 sync. Possibly with 14bit RAW's Do you think that would be possible? I know you (or was it someone else?) have been saying the light collecting capability of sensors has been improved lately, but in order to achieve a higher bit count, a better electric charge storage capacity would probably be needed as well. Or at least, some papers I read on this a year or so ago seemed to suggest that 14 bits won't be possible with the current element sizes even with 0 noise. - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting times with Pentax
Cotty wrote: On 19/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Sounds like a good prognostication to me. Sorta like a wet dream. Nah, it's just the A700 sensor's capabilities, with the possibility of some of the D300/40D features arriving (14bit RAW, Live View). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
Paul Stenquist wrote: I agree. And I also noticed that the true horizon isn't rotated. It's a Gordian Knot. Paul and the funny thing is... I didn't see the ocean horizon the first time around - talk about messed up eyes ann On Oct 19, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I didn't say that the photo was rotated (although it might be). It just give me a sensation that it is due to the strong, sloping foreground lines. Godfrey On Oct 19, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Bill Owens wrote: It looks to my eyes that the water in the extreme background is horizontal, but the beach has a slope to it. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - Beach Scene Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm I like the light and overall feel. However it feels tilted to my eye due to the way the foreground and background interact, which is distracting. Godfrey hey, Godders -- I see what you mean - but I thought the overall photo was so strong I didn't notice it at first - Bruce, would too much be lost if you ever so slgihtly corrected it by sa 1 or 2 degrees so the top of the near water was really horizontal? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
On 2007-10-19, at 21:20, Mark Roberts wrote: I've heard that it was designed as a D-FA lens for full-frame coverage (but optimized for digital with the latest anti-reflective coatings) and the designation was changed to DA because it has no aperture ring. We'll see what the score is when it becomes available. On the very first roadmap it was marked as DFA lens similar to 300/4 and 200/2.8... Perhpas reason for delay is that they want to return to idea of making it DFA lenses and make it fully compatible with eventual FF body in the future? Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Exactly. And in order to keep the size reasonable, the image circle is usually no larger than it has to be. Of course, the difference in size is reduced at longer focal lengths. Paul -- Original message -- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] The center of a lens has always been optimized for the center of the image circle it projects. :-) Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:56:16 + It's reportedly optimized for the 1.5 image circle. Whether it will cover full frame is another matter, but I'd expect some softness and vignetting at the corners. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wouldn't be logical from a marketing point of view to introduce a camera that can't use the lenses that you've just introduced. Of course. You'll note I mentioned that I *didn't* expect the new camera to be FF. I'm *hoping* it's more than APS-C. The DA* 60-250 hasn't even seen the light of day yet. Not a good example: I expect this lens will be FF. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement
On Oct 19, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Oly's had a Pro Support Services for some time, Adam. It's just darn hard to qualify for it ... You have to prove that something like 80% or more of your income comes from the use of Olympus brand camera equipment. I have three friends who are members and they tell me that the service level it provides is outstanding, but it took each of them over a year to qualify. Godfrey Interesting, then I wonder what their new 'Elite' club is, maybe a lower level of that. here's the page: http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/oima_slr_ogps.asp Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Whoa! That's from years ago! Stop scaring me! Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Mafud? (whoops)... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Canon 1D series, Leica M8. One never needs new lenses. You only have to think creatively and use the lenses you have. You might not be able to do *exactly* what you used to do, but for many that's not really such a terrible thing to deal with... ;-) Photographers shouldn't be so equipment-bound. G On Oct 19, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Tom C wrote: Is there any camera on the market that has a 1.2/1.3 crop at the moment? It does not make sense to me to shoot for somewhere between APS-C and FF. You wouldn't *need* new lenses of course... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
- Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Given the reports on Hoya's management priorities, I can't see them allowing Pentax to embark down a road on a niche-market, low-volume product. According to Pentax and subsequently Hoya they want to be niche maker concentrating on the higher end... The simple fact is that 645 format MF cameras are off the radar of the vast majority of the camera buying public. It would be a stupid business move. The only people it would make happy is those interested in a 645D from Pentax, which is very few people. It is off the radar because no one is making an affordable one -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Mafud? (whoops)... Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:48:15 + colostomy bag? -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,,,or douchebag. Cheers, Dave On 10/20/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirtbag shouldn't be overlooked. Jack --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, you've forgotten the venerable Barfbag ! Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Cotty wrote: On 19/10/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: I thought Cotty was the only one able to bestow shitbag status on a list member. I'm feeling that my exclusive club is becoming over run with pseudo-shitbags. The pecking order is 1. Shitbag 2. Fartbag 3. Sleazebag. Honourable mention: Ratbag -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Haven't posted a PESO in a while...
Nicely done! Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] So here's one from a couple of years ago: http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d504802.htm ist-D and 43 Limited. Adjustments in Photoshop for color/levels/curves, but the impressionistic effect is caused by photographing the reflection of the chateau in the water. Oh yeah... I also used Photoshop to flip the image 180 degrees so it's right side up :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Beach Scene Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:27:28 -0400 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm I like the light and overall feel. However it feels tilted to my eye due to the way the foreground and background interact, which is distracting. Godfrey hey, Godders -- I see what you mean - but I thought the overall photo was so strong I didn't notice it at first - Bruce, would too much be lost if you ever so slgihtly corrected it by sa 1 or 2 degrees so the top of the near water was really horizontal? ann Funny. I feel the overall photo is not strong, my opinion of course. Sorry on this one Bruce. I think the image is too soft in the foreground due the focus being on the rocks and a short DOF. I can see a very a nice scenic if the bottom water area was not there, the person was not there and the foreground was in focus. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
May be, but relative comparisons like that don't necessarially fly with those holding the purse strings. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:24:47 -0400 So did Mamiya. Pentax is a lot more healthy. -Adam Tom C wrote: Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades and did have a respectable MF presence. Where has that gotten them to today? Tom C. From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:18:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00) 645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web site. If the 645d does return it will be a large scale New Product introduction. Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor do I think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real demand for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand for K mount lenses. All true, but BH still list a number of 645 lenses, most in stock. Pentax's immediate challenge would be some normal and wide-angle 645 lenses, and they already have a new normal lens on the lens map. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades and did have a respectable MF presence. Where has that gotten them to today? Tom C. From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:18:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00) 645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web site. If the 645d does return it will be a large scale New Product introduction. Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor do I think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real demand for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand for K mount lenses. All true, but BH still list a number of 645 lenses, most in stock. Pentax's immediate challenge would be some normal and wide-angle 645 lenses, and they already have a new normal lens on the lens map. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
I can't see non-645 owners jumping to a 645D in masses. The 645D would be a low volume seller compared to a 24 x 36 FF body. If used glass is so readily available, Pentax would not be making money there. OTOH, if a 24 x 36 FF priced-within-reason body was released, a large number of current Pentax owners would likely upgrade. Pentax has the lens know-how to make the lenses. I was under the impression that Pentax has sold quite a number of extremely nice 35 mm lenses over the years, A, FA, etc. It hasn't just been all consumer zooms and cheap 50mm primes. The market changes fast. I think Pentax missed the mark with the 645D. If it was released 2 years ago it might have had a chance. But, as you point out, much of the MF market has already gone to the high end Canons. Personally, I think releasing a high-priced, non-main-stream camera body right now would be just about the stupidest move Pentax could make. It's sales would be dwarfed by the continued popularity of high end Canons and now the D3. Pentax needs to sell as many bodies and lenses as possible, plus look competitve in the marketplace. I don't see the 645 filling that spot. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:41:07 -0400 Tom, One thing you are forgetting is that pro-level 645 glass is far more readily available than the equivalent 35mm glass (outside of the FA Limiteds, the 50/1.4 and 35/2). I can readily get lenses like the 35/3.5 in 645 mount, but not so much for the 20/2.8 or 85/1.4 in K mount, let alone a 28-70 f2.8 FA*. If Pentax wants to play in the Pro market, they will either need to flood the market with a whole series of new pro-level 35mm lenses, or go 645 which actually has the needed glass available used. 100,000 28-80 f4-5.6's and a couple million 50mm f2's does not a pro lens market make. The large number of consumer K mount lenses help prop up Pentax's consumer market, but they're next to worthless to pro shooters. Also the market for an inexpensive 645 DSLR is mostly untapped. Mamiya is the only real player there (with the ZD Back and 645ZD bundle) and they're so strapped for supply that they're essentially ignoring the larger UK and US markets in order to keep up with demand in Europe, Japan and Canada. If they could keep up with worldwide demand, they'd probably start posting numbers the size of the rest of the MF Digital market The issue there has always been cost, not demand, keeping the market small, with MF shooters moving to the 1Ds because it was the only economic choice for that level of resolution. -Adam Tom C wrote: Are you sure those lenses are in production? Designed maybe, but I would think otherwise in the same status as the 645D. They're not making lenses for a camera that's not on the production line. I'm not expecting it or holding my breath, but to me it makes *more sense* to produce a FF 24 X 36 body than the 645D. Here's why: 1. Canon and Nikon both now have FF bodies on the market. If Pentax can get one out in short order they can be #3 to do so, ahead of Sony and Olympus. That would be a big feather in Pentax's cap. 2. The sales of a 645D would be relatively small compared to the sales of a FF 24 x 36 body because the market is smaller. Pentax 35mm body/lens owners out number Pentax 645 owners by a large factor. Can't begin to guess what it is, 100-to-1, 1000-to-1? 3. Moving to a 645 format is much costlier to non-645 system owners because they must buy into a whole new system. I'd personally be more likely to buy a FF Canon or Nikon 24 x 36 body if I was going to change systems. Last but not least it would still fit in the same camera bag. :-) 4. Pentax can do the in body sensor crop when DA lenses are attached, preserving the usefulness of the DA lens series for those that have purchased them. 5. It can't be any harder for Pentax to design and manufacture a FF 24 x 36 body than the 645. They have all the basics. Yes they would need to reeingineer the image processing engine, have a larger LCD, and other firmware/hardware changes, but that's a given with any new camera model. The only thing really holding them back would be whether they can obtain a sensor at a price point that will put the resulting product within reach of a large number of customers. Like I said at the start. I'm not expecting it but it makes sense in a lot of ways. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:42:50 + In fact, more likely than a full frame camera and a line of lenses is the 645D.
RE: PESO - Beach Scene
I like the ethereal look of the rocks and the light. I find the foregound confuses my eye though and I think the person is small and soft which tends to detract. Tom C. From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Beach Scene Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:19:46 -0700 Taken at the beach at Pt. Reyes - The sun was near setting and caused the soft glow depicted. Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Mafud? (whoops)... Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:48:15 + colostomy bag? -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,,,or douchebag. Cheers, Dave On 10/20/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirtbag shouldn't be overlooked. Jack --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, you've forgotten the venerable Barfbag ! Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Cotty wrote: On 19/10/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: I thought Cotty was the only one able to bestow shitbag status on a list member. I'm feeling that my exclusive club is becoming over run with pseudo-shitbags. The pecking order is 1. Shitbag 2. Fartbag 3. Sleazebag. Honourable mention: Ratbag -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I Guess Discrimination Cuts Both Ways...
BH http://tinyurl.com/2j7rz8 Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
You can keep Elvis Stoiko. :-) Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:07:58 -0600 - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here. You missed Celine Dion. BTW, you can keep her and Trebek. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
The Canon 1D series are 1.3x crop, as is the Leica M8 and the (discontinued) Leica DMR for the R8/R9. -Adam Tom C wrote: Is there any camera on the market that has a 1.2/1.3 crop at the moment? It would not make sense to me to shoot for somewhere between APS-C and FF. You wouldn't *need* new lenses of course... Tom C. From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:58:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) It's been reported here that the DA lenses generally cover very nearly the image circle required by 35mm film, so perhaps they would be perfect for something like 1.3x. Or, I believe someone talked about 1.2x, too; - Some do, some don't. Speaking only for my own preferences and cognitive limitations...I find it is enough to have to remember two angles-of-view for each of my older lenses. I draw the line at two. Having to remember three exceeds what I would be willing to do. A sensor with a new crop would require a new batch of wide angle lenses, and wide-to-tele zooms. Having got just about what I need for APS-C (except I want a DA* 400), I would be unhappy to have to start buying another new set of lenses. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I Guess Discrimination Cuts Both Ways...
BH http://tinyurl.com/2j7rz8 Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - Britain Surrenders :-)
From the Writer's Almanac 10/19/2007 It's the anniversary of the surrender that effectively ended the American Revolutionary War, in Yorktown, Virginia, in 1781. That summer, the British had expected Washington to attack New York City. But when he learned that he might be able to capture the British forces on the Yorktown Peninsula in Virginia, he executed one of the boldest moves of the entire war, moving his army 400 miles in order to catch his enemy by surprise. He had to march his troops toward New York City first, to scare the British into hunkering down for an attack. Then he quickly moved south. The British commander only realized what Washington was doing two days after he'd already gone. Washington's men and their French allies marched every day from 2:00 a.m. until it grew too hot to continue. It was a hot summer, and on one day, more than 400 men passed out from the heat. Few armies in history had ever moved so far so fast. By the second week of October, they had reached Yorktown and surrounded Cornwallis. He agreed to a surrender that began at 2:00 a.m. on this day in 1781. The one soldier who didn't surrender was Cornwallis himself. He sent his sword with his second-in-command to be offered to the French general, signifying that the British had been defeated by the French, not the Americans. Washington was furious, but it didn't matter. England didn't have enough money to raise another army. Two years later, the Treaty of Paris was signed, and the war was officially over. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:32:52 +0800 On 10/20/07, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Nobody knows the size of the MF based digital camera market as no one is really selling any. So what makes you think Pentax can do any better than Hassleblad, Maymia, Leaf etc? If no one is really selling any now, and the size of the potential market is unknown, isn't it a risky move to develop a product that may not sell in any great numbers? Also, why is everyone assuming that the 645D will be so much cheaper than the current products on the market? Cheers, Dave Have to say it: Also, why is everyone assuming that the 645D will be so much cheaper than the current products on the market? Look at the K10D. :-) While I appreciate the low price, it's got to be hard to make money on a body that depreciates by 50% in one year. It makes me wonder if they are still in the production line. Some of the stores selling at $999 would probably have to lose money selling at $699. I saw an *ist D online yesterday for $1299! In fact at $699 - $100 rebate, I'd expect the K10D to outsell the K100's. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:32:52 +0800 On 10/20/07, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Nobody knows the size of the MF based digital camera market as no one is really selling any. So what makes you think Pentax can do any better than Hassleblad, Maymia, Leaf etc? If no one is really selling any now, and the size of the potential market is unknown, isn't it a risky move to develop a product that may not sell in any great numbers? Also, why is everyone assuming that the 645D will be so much cheaper than the current products on the market? Cheers, Dave Have to say it: Also, why is everyone assuming that the 645D will be so much cheaper than the current products on the market? Look at the K10D. :-) While I appreciate the low price, it's got to be hard to make money on a body that depreciates by 50% in one year. It makes me wonder if they are still in the production line. Some of the stores selling at $999 would probably have to lose money selling at $699. I saw an *ist D online yesterday for $1299! In fact at $699 - $100 rebate, I'd expect the K10D to outsell the K100's. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Beach Scene
From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Beach Scene Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:27:28 -0400 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm I like the light and overall feel. However it feels tilted to my eye due to the way the foreground and background interact, which is distracting. Godfrey hey, Godders -- I see what you mean - but I thought the overall photo was so strong I didn't notice it at first - Bruce, would too much be lost if you ever so slgihtly corrected it by sa 1 or 2 degrees so the top of the near water was really horizontal? ann Funny. I feel this overall photo is not strong, my opinion of course. The rocks and ocean are great. I think the foreground is too soft due to the focus being on the rocks and a short DOF. I can see a very a nice scenic if the bottom water area was not there, the person was not there and the foreground was in focus. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Given the reports on Hoya's management priorities, I can't see them allowing Pentax to embark down a road on a niche-market, low-volume product. The simple fact is that 645 format MF cameras are off the radar of the vast majority of the camera buying public. It would be a stupid business move. The only people it would make happy is those interested in a 645D from Pentax, which is very few people. While Canon and Nikon do not likely view Pentax as a threat, it might make them happy too. I'm sure their would be quite a few chuckles among their engineers and in the boardrooms, to see them wasting resources and effort. Like I've said before, Pentax has received a little recognition with the K10D. They need to capitalize on that with another hit product, not a niche speciality product which will have little reach in the market. Common sense I think. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:38:17 -0400 645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web site. If the 645d does return it will be a large scale New Product introduction. Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor do I think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real demand for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand for K mount lenses. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, more likely than a full frame camera and a line of lenses is the 645D. Lenses for that camera are already in production. If Pentax wants to go pro, that seems to be the only logical way to do it. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It wouldn't be logical from a marketing point of view to introduce a camera that can't use the lenses that you've just introduced. The DA* 60-250 hasn't even seen the light of day yet. Plus, most of the full frame lenses seem to have been discontinued. I suspect that the only ones being sold now are existing stock. Of course we might one day see a full frame camera along with a new line of lenses, but I doubt that Pentax is ready for that now. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what Adam has told us about the newest sensors, 12 megapixels with good noise characteristics might well be possible at 1.5. Could be. But every so often I look at what Nikon's getting from 12 megapixels at full-frame... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, its pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
On 10/20/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any camera on the market that has a 1.2/1.3 crop at the moment? It does not make sense to me to shoot for somewhere between APS-C and FF. You wouldn't *need* new lenses of course... Leica M8 is 1.33 or so. -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
You can keep Elvis Stoiko. :-) Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:07:58 -0600 - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here. You missed Celine Dion. BTW, you can keep her and Trebek. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting times with Pentax
Roman Melihhov wrote: I remember how it all started with K10D. Lotta rumors, unrealistic expectations, even though it can shake itself shame it still doest do the laundry. At the end it was good tool that does its job well and helps achieving excellence in photography. Now another round, 12Mp? FF? 1.3x 1.25x crop, CMOS? CCD? It is always a photographer who makes good photographs, not the camera, but I'm sure Pentax RD guys are listening. Good captures to all of you this weekend. Roman. The camera can be a limiting factor though. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Shooting the Orionids
Tripod ISO 800 A 20 - 31 mm lens most likely is the best choice. Over 50mm means you'll be cutting out too much sky and you don't know exactly where the meteor may fly through the frame. Too wide and the image of the meteor is likely to be to small to make a good impression. Aperture, bigger the better. Anything over 2.8 is definitely to small. Shutter speed 20 - 30 seconds otherwise you'll get very evident motion blur of the stars due to earths rotation. Noise reduction off. There's just as good of a chance a meteor will fly by while a dark frame is being taken as there is otherwise. Might as well maximize the chances of capturing it. Once you're in the peak of the shower, you might as well fire 20 to 30 second exposures off back to back, since it's pure chance that you'll capture one. If you're in a place where you can have some horizon in the shot it will make for a better image. A flash of light going through a star field only can make for some unexciting images. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Shooting the Orionids Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:03:56 -0700 This weekend the Orionid meteor shower will be going on. Sunday is also my birthday, so since I'm going to be staying up late anyway, I figure I might as well go out and shoot some shooting stars. What are good settings for shooting such things? Shutter speed, aperture, ISO, noise reduction on/off, etc. I've never tried to shoot a meteor shower before, so any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks, John Celio (28 for just a little longer) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Is there any camera on the market that has a 1.2/1.3 crop at the moment? It does not make sense to me to shoot for somewhere between APS-C and FF. You wouldn't *need* new lenses of course... Tom C. From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:58:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) It's been reported here that the DA lenses generally cover very nearly the image circle required by 35mm film, so perhaps they would be perfect for something like 1.3x. Or, I believe someone talked about 1.2x, too; - Some do, some don't. Speaking only for my own preferences and cognitive limitations...I find it is enough to have to remember two angles-of-view for each of my older lenses. I draw the line at two. Having to remember three exceeds what I would be willing to do. A sensor with a new crop would require a new batch of wide angle lenses, and wide-to-tele zooms. Having got just about what I need for APS-C (except I want a DA* 400), I would be unhappy to have to start buying another new set of lenses. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
