Re: Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO 80-200mm f/2.8 question
Yes, there is no problem with this lens reporting the proper focal length in EXIF. My shake reduction question was the result of an unfortunate leap in logic. I think I'm going to like this lens. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO 80-200mm f/2.8 question
From: John Francis On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:30:57PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: From: Darren Addy I'm curious... if it shows up in Photoshop as a Pentax-F 35-105mm, does that mean that it is also misreading the focal length that this lens is set at (when doing image stabilization)? If it is doing image stabilization for a 105mm focal length when the lens is set to 200mm, that could definitely lead to some lack of sharpness. I think I will see if I get better results with Image Stabilization off and tripod mount it (which I guess I should be doing to test for sharpness anyway!). I don't know. I think the camera just has to have some kind of a code to bury in the EXIF to identify the lens it uses the code that PhotoShop thinks is the Pentax-F 35-105. Don't blame the camera - it just reports the code it gets from the lens. Some manufacturers (most notably Sigma) didn't request a code from Pentax (presumably because there was a cost involved), so just used the same code for multiple lenses (usually one that corresponded to a Pentax lens that was similar to the first lens). I'm a little surprised to see that Tokina did this - they used to be a Pentax partner, so I'd expect them to get it right). As for the original query: it should be pretty easy to confirm that the reported focal length is correct - that information is also in the EXIF. When I mount this on my K20D, it shows the correct focal length in the image information when I review images on the LCD. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO 80-200mm f/2.8 question
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:30:57PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: From: Darren Addy I'm curious... if it shows up in Photoshop as a Pentax-F 35-105mm, does that mean that it is also misreading the focal length that this lens is set at (when doing image stabilization)? If it is doing image stabilization for a 105mm focal length when the lens is set to 200mm, that could definitely lead to some lack of sharpness. I think I will see if I get better results with Image Stabilization off and tripod mount it (which I guess I should be doing to test for sharpness anyway!). I don't know. I think the camera just has to have some kind of a code to bury in the EXIF to identify the lens it uses the code that PhotoShop thinks is the Pentax-F 35-105. Don't blame the camera - it just reports the code it gets from the lens. Some manufacturers (most notably Sigma) didn't request a code from Pentax (presumably because there was a cost involved), so just used the same code for multiple lenses (usually one that corresponded to a Pentax lens that was similar to the first lens). I'm a little surprised to see that Tokina did this - they used to be a Pentax partner, so I'd expect them to get it right). As for the original query: it should be pretty easy to confirm that the reported focal length is correct - that information is also in the EXIF. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO 80-200mm f/2.8 question
From: Darren Addy I'm curious... if it shows up in Photoshop as a Pentax-F 35-105mm, does that mean that it is also misreading the focal length that this lens is set at (when doing image stabilization)? If it is doing image stabilization for a 105mm focal length when the lens is set to 200mm, that could definitely lead to some lack of sharpness. I think I will see if I get better results with Image Stabilization off and tripod mount it (which I guess I should be doing to test for sharpness anyway!). I don't know. I think the camera just has to have some kind of a code to bury in the EXIF to identify the lens it uses the code that PhotoShop thinks is the Pentax-F 35-105. I don't know why it wouldn't use the code for the FA* 80-200/2.8 ED [IF]? But it apparently doesn't I just did a quick test on mine with the K20D when you press the INFO button, it shows the correct focal length - 80 = 80, 200 = 200 and in between shows proportional focal lengths in between. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO 80-200mm f/2.8 question
The camera uses the code recorded in the data chip in the lens. Having partially disassembled an FA and an F lens I can say with relative assurance that that focal length is reported by several conductive strips that are sampled differently as the zoom ring is turned. I expect that the reported focal length is most likely correct. The Acontacts tell the camera the absolute maximum and minimum apertures the lens is capable of, (as per Boz K mount description page). Now I don't know how the following is done, but based on behavior I'd say the lens' on board chip sends a modification signal to the camera body based on the focal length selected so the camera will display and record the correct f stop. This doesn't happen with A zoom lenses since they have no chip. On 5/25/2012 2:30 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Darren Addy I'm curious... if it shows up in Photoshop as a Pentax-F 35-105mm, does that mean that it is also misreading the focal length that this lens is set at (when doing image stabilization)? If it is doing image stabilization for a 105mm focal length when the lens is set to 200mm, that could definitely lead to some lack of sharpness. I think I will see if I get better results with Image Stabilization off and tripod mount it (which I guess I should be doing to test for sharpness anyway!). I don't know. I think the camera just has to have some kind of a code to bury in the EXIF to identify the lens it uses the code that PhotoShop thinks is the Pentax-F 35-105. I don't know why it wouldn't use the code for the FA* 80-200/2.8 ED [IF]? But it apparently doesn't I just did a quick test on mine with the K20D when you press the INFO button, it shows the correct focal length - 80 = 80, 200 = 200 and in between shows proportional focal lengths in between. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO 80-200mm f/2.8 question
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:45 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I presume when you say it makes a noise when I rotate it, that you mean when you rotate the zoom ring? It shouldn't make any noise. It's a really sturdy, pro-quality build lens. It shows up in Photoshop as a smc PENTAX-F 35-105mm F4-5.6. Thank you for your kind reply, John. No, I mean that if I take the lens in my hand and roll my wrist, I can hear a strange sound coming from about the middle of the lens. Googling this, I found another person complaining of the same issue and he said that he sent it in for service and when he got it back it still did the same thing. I guess I don't care so much if the lens performs as it should. I'm building a little DIY LensAlign clone so I can adjust for any front/back focus issues with it and see if I can get the truly sharp images that people say this lens normally gives you. If not, I'll have to assume that something is out of whack in there and send it in for servicing. I'm curious... if it shows up in Photoshop as a Pentax-F 35-105mm, does that mean that it is also misreading the focal length that this lens is set at (when doing image stabilization)? If it is doing image stabilization for a 105mm focal length when the lens is set to 200mm, that could definitely lead to some lack of sharpness. I think I will see if I get better results with Image Stabilization off and tripod mount it (which I guess I should be doing to test for sharpness anyway!). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO 80-200mm f/2.8 question
I have one. Lovely, though weighty lens. And, yes, mine also makes a sound when I roll it, like there ball bearing in there. Bought it last century, and it's still working fine On 24/05/2012 1:55 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I've got my first pro lens in this range, but at first blush I'm not very impressed with it. I'm not sure if there is something wrong with it (it makes a noise when I rotate it, which I don't think is Good). Before I send it in for service, I'd like to try the front/back focus adjustment. However, I'm not sure I understand the whole process yet and whether the K-5 can remember this lens. Does anyone know if this lens has a Lens ID that communicates with the body so the setting can be remembered? If doing the adjustment doesn't solve the problems, I'm going to have to see what it will cost to get this thing serviced. I've read good reports about this lens, and although it is heavy that's a property of its construction and the big glass it contains to get you the constant f2.8. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO 80-200mm f/2.8 question
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote: I have one. Lovely, though weighty lens. And, yes, mine also makes a sound when I roll it, like there ball bearing in there. Bought it last century, and it's still working fine That is good to hear! (Your report, not the sound in the lens).Thanks for letting me know. Yep, there's a bit of heft in that lens but the way I look at it... some people spend good money to lift weights at the local spa while I get my workout in for free. (Alsothe workout warriors don't get f2.8 with their dumbbells). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO 80-200mm f/2.8 question
From: Darren Addy I've got my first pro lens in this range, but at first blush I'm not very impressed with it. I'm not sure if there is something wrong with it (it makes a noise when I rotate it, which I don't think is Good). Before I send it in for service, I'd like to try the front/back focus adjustment. However, I'm not sure I understand the whole process yet and whether the K-5 can remember this lens. Does anyone know if this lens has a Lens ID that communicates with the body so the setting can be remembered? If doing the adjustment doesn't solve the problems, I'm going to have to see what it will cost to get this thing serviced. I've read good reports about this lens, and although it is heavy that's a property of its construction and the big glass it contains to get you the constant f2.8. I presume when you say it makes a noise when I rotate it, that you mean when you rotate the zoom ring? It shouldn't make any noise. It's a really sturdy, pro-quality build lens. It shows up in Photoshop as a smc PENTAX-F 35-105mm F4-5.6. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina lenses and Pentax?
From: Igor Roshchin Rick, I was unaware of their collaboration in 90's but knew about that in 00's. But now I see new Tokina lenses that are distinct from any Pentax lenses. Yet, none of them are available with Pentax mount. Hence my question: why? Igor Just a SWAG, but perhaps a corporate decision that there's not enough profit there? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina lenses and Pentax?
This is a mystery to me, as well. The most aggregious example that I am aware of is the Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 AT-X Pro 116. This lens was co-designed with Pentax and so Tokina doesn't make it in a Pentax mount (presumably so a Pentax branded edition could be produced) yet none is ever produced by Pentax. One might assume that this would be because it would hurt sales of the DA 12-24mm f4. But then why co-design it in the first place? To keep Tokina from offering it in a Pentax mount, to the detriment of Pentax owners - is the only answer I can come up with. I would imagine that any agreements with Hoya would have transferred to Ricoh, since they would have been made with the Pentax division itself, not the parent corp. There has been some talk of Ricoh and Tokina being competitors in more business arenas than Tokina and Pentax were. If true, that might put a damper on any such cooperation going forward. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina lenses and Pentax?
Igor, Pentax and Tokina collaborated on a number of lenses in the '90s and '00s, as I recall. Part of the deal was that they would only be available for Pentax with a Pentax badge on them. The similarities in focal lengths, sizes, formulae, and features aren't a coincidence. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org To: PDML@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:21 AM Subject: Tokina lenses and Pentax? Does anybody know what happened with Tokina lenses for Pentax? I very much like my Tokina ATX Pro 28-70/2.6-2.8. This was my first lens for Pentax cameras that I bought with Zx5n. When Hoya bought Pentax, Tokina stopped producing any lenses in Pentax mount, and as far as I understood, started producing some of the Pentax lens designs in other mounts (10-17 fisheye, 12-24, 100/2.8 Macro. Now, that the relation through marriage has broken apart, and Tokina again makes lenses on its own, - will they start producing any lenses in Pentax mount? (like the new 16-28/2.8, 11-16/2.8) Or are they still under some contractual obligation that forbids that? http://www.thkphoto.com/tokina/ Does anybody know? Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina lenses and Pentax?
Rick, I was unaware of their collaboration in 90's but knew about that in 00's. But now I see new Tokina lenses that are distinct from any Pentax lenses. Yet, none of them are available with Pentax mount. Hence my question: why? Igor Sun Jan 29 22:07:21 EST 2012 Rick Womer wrote: Igor, Pentax and Tokina collaborated on a number of lenses in the '90s and '00s, as I recall. Part of the deal was that they would only be available for Pentax with a Pentax badge on them. The similarities in focal lengths, sizes, formulae, and features aren't a coincidence. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org To: PDML at pdml.net Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:21 AM Subject: Tokina lenses and Pentax? Does anybody know what happened with Tokina lenses for Pentax? I very much like my Tokina ATX Pro 28-70/2.6-2.8. This was my first lens for Pentax cameras that I bought with Zx5n. When Hoya bought Pentax, Tokina stopped producing any lenses in Pentax mount, and as far as I understood, started producing some of the Pentax lens designs in other mounts (10-17 fisheye, 12-24, 100/2.8 Macro. Now, that the relation through marriage has broken apart, and Tokina again makes lenses on its own, - will they start producing any lenses in Pentax mount? (like the new 16-28/2.8, 11-16/2.8) Or are they still under some contractual obligation that forbids that? http://www.thkphoto.com/tokina/ Does anybody know? Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Tokina lenses and Pentax?
From: Igor Roshchin Does anybody know what happened with Tokina lenses for Pentax? I very much like my Tokina ATX Pro 28-70/2.6-2.8. This was my first lens for Pentax cameras that I bought with Zx5n. When Hoya bought Pentax, Tokina stopped producing any lenses in Pentax mount, and as far as I understood, started producing some of the Pentax lens designs in other mounts (10-17 fisheye, 12-24, 100/2.8 Macro. Now, that the relation through marriage has broken apart, and Tokina again makes lenses on its own, - will they start producing any lenses in Pentax mount? (like the new 16-28/2.8, 11-16/2.8) Or are they still under some contractual obligation that forbids that? http://www.thkphoto.com/tokina/ Does anybody know? Igor I know that back when Hoya bought Pentax, I was told in no uncertain terms here on the list that there was no relationship between Hoya Tokina. THK was merely the U.S. distributor who handled Hoya filters Tokina lenses; that there were only a few specific lenses that were jointly designed by Pentax Tokina where Pentax manufactured the K-mount and Tokina manufactured the lens for Nikon Canon and that Tokina was free to offer their own independent designs in K-mount if they chose to do so. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AF 35-70mm on K-5
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Roman Melihhov ro...@blakout.net wrote: I got my Tokina 35-70mm f/3.5-4.5 today... I'd noticed one thing. K-5 thinks it is PENTAX-F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 lens. How are you determining this (i.e. with what software)? I ask because Pentax does not include a textual name for the lens in the EXIF. That is, there's nothing in the EXIF that literally says PENTAX-F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5. Instead, there's a numerical code that needs to be compared to a table or catalog that's programmed into the software. This means that there are a few possibilities: 1) The K-5 really is putting the numerical code for the Pentax lens into the EXIF. This seems unlikely to me. 2) The K-5 is putting the Tokina's correct code into the EXIF, but your software has an error in its lookup table, and it displays the PENTAX-F description instead. 3) The K-5 is putting the Tokina's correct code into the EXIF, but your software does not actually use that code, or it's missing the correct entry in its table. So it is making a best guess based on the fact that you're using a Pentax camera, and the focal length and aperture are consistent with the Pentax lens. (I've seen software that works this way, because every camera manufacturer encodes the lens info differently, and they couldn't be bothered to implement Pentax's method.) PhotoME (Windows) does a good job of decoding the EXIF information accurately, in my experience. http://www.photome.de/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AF 35-70mm on K-5
Very simple: Tokina 'hacked' the Pentax 35-70 code and used it. Sigma does/did the same btw, my 28/1.8 being identified as a Pentax 28/2.8 (funny as I shoot @1.8). The lens ID is given by the lens to the body. The K5 will NOT itself apply any lens correction because the K5 can do so only for DA and FA Limited lenses. Lightroom, though may do *IF* it has an associated profile (fot the Pentax 35-70 lens), and this is not present by default. 2011/4/20 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Roman Melihhov ro...@blakout.net wrote: I got my Tokina 35-70mm f/3.5-4.5 today... I'd noticed one thing. K-5 thinks it is PENTAX-F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 lens. How are you determining this (i.e. with what software)? I ask because Pentax does not include a textual name for the lens in the EXIF. That is, there's nothing in the EXIF that literally says PENTAX-F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5. Instead, there's a numerical code that needs to be compared to a table or catalog that's programmed into the software. This means that there are a few possibilities: 1) The K-5 really is putting the numerical code for the Pentax lens into the EXIF. This seems unlikely to me. 2) The K-5 is putting the Tokina's correct code into the EXIF, but your software has an error in its lookup table, and it displays the PENTAX-F description instead. 3) The K-5 is putting the Tokina's correct code into the EXIF, but your software does not actually use that code, or it's missing the correct entry in its table. So it is making a best guess based on the fact that you're using a Pentax camera, and the focal length and aperture are consistent with the Pentax lens. (I've seen software that works this way, because every camera manufacturer encodes the lens info differently, and they couldn't be bothered to implement Pentax's method.) PhotoME (Windows) does a good job of decoding the EXIF information accurately, in my experience. http://www.photome.de/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina 50-135
Tokina versions of Pentax lenses are not available in K mount. The only way to get the Tokina is to switch to Nikon or Canon. Also the lens is small enough that there is no advantage to a tripod mount. It's really a very compact lens for its range. -Adam On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Tom Lesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings: I hope I am not being sacrilegious asking here about the Tokina version of the 50-135/2.8, but I'd really like this range in a lens with a tripod mount. Does anyone know whether Pentax is planning to offer the lens with a mount, or if not, where I can buy a Tokina? Thank you Tom Lesser Frederick MD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina 50-135
I would second that. I like tripod mounts on lenses that need them. I have this lens and can't think of any need for one. It is small and light enough that it would only get in the way. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, October 6, 2008, 5:16:03 PM, you wrote: AM Tokina versions of Pentax lenses are not available in K mount. The AM only way to get the Tokina is to switch to Nikon or Canon. AM Also the lens is small enough that there is no advantage to a tripod AM mount. It's really a very compact lens for its range. AM -Adam AM On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Tom Lesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings: I hope I am not being sacrilegious asking here about the Tokina version of the 50-135/2.8, but I'd really like this range in a lens with a tripod mount. Does anyone know whether Pentax is planning to offer the lens with a mount, or if not, where I can buy a Tokina? Thank you Tom Lesser Frederick MD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina Hoya (was PhotographyBlog: Pentax Interview, quiteinteresting)
Ira H. Bryant IV wrote: In Japan, it is very common for a company to hold another company's stock. That's especially true when one company is a supplier to another company. It seems likely to me that this is true of Hoya and Tokina, though I don't know where a person could go to check on it. 1) We all know that Pentax has been integrated into Hoya. Pentax Imaging is actually a division of Hoya Corporation. See: http://www.hoya.co.jp/english/company/company_02_03.html 2) It is also quite evident that Tokina, Kenko and Slik are the same company. See: http://www.kenko-tokina.co.jp/ Then, it seems that there is a close close relationship between Tokina and Hoya, which should remain different companies tough. That does not prevent Tokina to be owned by Hoya. Heck, they even sell the same product with the same name! See Pro1 D line of filters, available as Kenko (brand used in Japan) and as Hoya (brand used worldwide). Also, quoting from photography on the net (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=346581): THK Photo Products, Inc. is the U.S. distributor for Tokina Co., Ltd. (Tokyo), one of the top manufacturers of converter lenses for the 35mm single-lens reflex camera, for all products of the camera accessory manufacturer, Kenko Co., Ltd. (Tokyo), camera filters of the worldly prestigious brand of HOYA Corporation (Tokyo). and the most copied line of tripods today.SLIK Corporation (Tokyo). Having Tokina Optical Corporation as its core, a successful merge with Kenko Optics of America took place in June of 1993. As a consequence to the merge, the company has been renamed to its present name of T (Tokina), H (Hoya), K (Kenko) Photo Products, Inc. As we continue to commit to our current distribution of camera products, we also strive to expand in the area of industrial equipment and mass media optical products, further providing extensive services as the leading optical products manufacturer in the world. Some more hints: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=417883 http://www.thkphoto.com/ At the end, I don't know who owns who, to which extent, etc, but all above companies must be related. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina Hoya (was PhotographyBlog: Pentax Interview, quite interesting)
If you go to http://www.hoya.co.jp, Pentax is listed as a subsidiary but not Tokina. Searching the site for Tokina gets zero hits. Wikipedia and a few other sites indicate that Hoya supplies glass to Tokina, but that Tokina is an independent company. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Jim King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) One surprising comment at the end of the interview refers to Tokina as a subsidiary of Hoya. I thought that we had determined that Tokina was an independent company. Wonder if the article is correct on this point? Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina Hoya (was PhotographyBlog: Pentax Interview, quite interesting)
In Japan, it is very common for a company to hold another company's stock. That's especially true when one company is a supplier to another company. It seems likely to me that this is true of Hoya and Tokina, though I don't know where a person could go to check on it. Ira On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you go to http://www.hoya.co.jp, Pentax is listed as a subsidiary but not Tokina. Searching the site for Tokina gets zero hits. Wikipedia and a few other sites indicate that Hoya supplies glass to Tokina, but that Tokina is an independent company. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- Ira Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm and AT-X 535 PRO DX lenses 50-135mm f2.8
I'll bet these are optical twins to the Pentax lenses as per the Pentax Tokina joint development deal. Roman Melihhov wrote: http://www.photodo.com/topic_415.html Another yet tele-zoom for cropped sensor Canon Nikon mounts. It's a non-pentax answer for DA* 16-50mm 50-135mm f2.8. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm and AT-X 535 PRODXlenses50-135mmf2.8
Well, nevertheless - over the years I have owned some very good Tokina lenses. In fact I use a 28-70mm 2.6-2.8 as my standard lens. And I recently had a 2.5 90mm with extender that was absolutely excellent (I sold it abecause it's very similar to my Tamron SP 2.5 90mm). So, to me Tokina lenses can be excellent alternatives to Pentax lenses. I also own a few Pentax lenses, that are quite bad. How ever it seems odd that I cant find any info on the Tokina AT-X 16-50mm f2.8 with KAF mount. Does this not exist? And why is it priced much lower than the Pentax 2.8 16-50mm? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af William Robb Sendt: 5. december 2007 04:34 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: SV: Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm and AT-X 535 PRODXlenses50-135mmf2.8 - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: Re: SV: Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm and AT-X 535 PRO DXlenses50-135mmf2.8 Pentax slightly modifies Tokina lenses and then they sell them under the Pentax name. Not correct, but I suppose this particular urban legend will never die. snip By allowing misinformation such as the quotation above to proliferate on the internet Pentax has harmed its reputation, IMO. Some 25 years ago, I had a Tokina 35mm-105mm zoom lens that was identical in every respect but the nameplate to the Minolta MD 35-105. This sort of co-design and production with has been going on for a very long time with more than one camera brand. For myself, it doesn't really matter who designs and builds the things as long as they work, but you are correct, the Pentax brand does suffer a loss of cachet when people think that their lenses are one off builds from a cheap third party manufacturer. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/04/2007 10:52 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/04/2007 10:52 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm and AT-X 535 PRODXlenses50-135mmf2.8
You won't find such info. Tokina's sticking to CaNikon these days. No Sony or 4/3rds stuff from them either. I had the 28-70 2.6-2.8 in Nikon mount myself. OK lens, but distinctly inferior to the smaller lighter Tamron 28-75. -Adam On 12/4/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, nevertheless - over the years I have owned some very good Tokina lenses. In fact I use a 28-70mm 2.6-2.8 as my standard lens. And I recently had a 2.5 90mm with extender that was absolutely excellent (I sold it abecause it's very similar to my Tamron SP 2.5 90mm). So, to me Tokina lenses can be excellent alternatives to Pentax lenses. I also own a few Pentax lenses, that are quite bad. How ever it seems odd that I cant find any info on the Tokina AT-X 16-50mm f2.8 with KAF mount. Does this not exist? And why is it priced much lower than the Pentax 2.8 16-50mm? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af William Robb Sendt: 5. december 2007 04:34 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: SV: Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm and AT-X 535 PRODXlenses50-135mmf2.8 - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: Re: SV: Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm and AT-X 535 PRO DXlenses50-135mmf2.8 Pentax slightly modifies Tokina lenses and then they sell them under the Pentax name. Not correct, but I suppose this particular urban legend will never die. snip By allowing misinformation such as the quotation above to proliferate on the internet Pentax has harmed its reputation, IMO. Some 25 years ago, I had a Tokina 35mm-105mm zoom lens that was identical in every respect but the nameplate to the Minolta MD 35-105. This sort of co-design and production with has been going on for a very long time with more than one camera brand. For myself, it doesn't really matter who designs and builds the things as long as they work, but you are correct, the Pentax brand does suffer a loss of cachet when people think that their lenses are one off builds from a cheap third party manufacturer. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/04/2007 10:52 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: 12/04/2007 10:52 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm and AT-X 535PRODXlenses50-135mmf2.8
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm and AT-X 535PRODXlenses50-135mmf2.8 Well, nevertheless - over the years I have owned some very good Tokina lenses. In fact I use a 28-70mm 2.6-2.8 as my standard lens. And I recently had a 2.5 90mm with extender that was absolutely excellent (I sold it abecause it's very similar to my Tamron SP 2.5 90mm). So, to me Tokina lenses can be excellent alternatives to Pentax lenses. My Tokina 80-200/2.8 is a very good lens indeed, though my 17mm Tokina is only OK at best. They are capable of making very good lenses, though they also were capable of making some real bow-wows. I had a Tokina 24-40 that had so much barrel distortion that it was useless for anything other than horizonless scenics. I also own a few Pentax lenses, that are quite bad. Nice house or not, keep that up and you'll be voted off the island. How ever it seems odd that I cant find any info on the Tokina AT-X 16-50mm f2.8 with KAF mount. Does this not exist? And why is it priced much lower than the Pentax 2.8 16-50mm? It wouldn't surprise me to find that there is an agreement between the two companies that on co-produced lenses, they don't get to market lenses for the manufacturer they are co-producing with. Historically Tokina has made a pretty good lens, but they aren't as mechanically solid as first party lenses, and their coatings are definitely not as good as Pentax coatings. Don't discount this, SMC is a pretty expensive way to coat lenses, and adds significantly to the cost of production. I'm satisfied that the results are worth the extra money. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Tokina 50-135 F2.8
Is the April issue of PopPhot on the stands yet? Shel [Original Message] From: Joseph Tainter There is a wonderful test of this lens in the April Popular Photography. The results are very good. Very, very good. Pentax has designed another great lens. It is sharp across the board, even sharp wide open at all focal lengths. You can't ask for more. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 50-135 F2.8
I think I was looking at it today, (though I didn't notice what month it was). Shel Belinkoff wrote: Is the April issue of PopPhot on the stands yet? Shel [Original Message] From: Joseph Tainter There is a wonderful test of this lens in the April Popular Photography. The results are very good. Very, very good. Pentax has designed another great lens. It is sharp across the board, even sharp wide open at all focal lengths. You can't ask for more. -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 50-135 F2.8
Joseph I really hope the other reviews of Tokina (I don't care much) but specially Pentax version will be as good as your comments lead me to beleive. Pentax needs that as well as we do. Expensive times ahead indeed. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Why older lenses are often better than new ones : WAS: RE: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
I agree JC, but then there's also a big part of they way things are manufactured in our era. Sad, for sure but IMO selling lenses now for DAs would be (speaking for me) more about selling F/FA/A which are not that well on a build quality POV rather than selling e.g. my K30/2.8. But selling my F35-70, F28/2.8... why not. 2007/2/11, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I forgot to mention this on some of the earlier threads concerning old vs new lenses. One of the reasons why many of the early pentax lenses ( late screwmounts and early K/M) mounts are so damn good is due to sample to sample variations ( or lack thereof! ). Not only was the build quality higher throughout the entire lens lineup, but along with it came better MFG quality and quality control. It doesnt matter if you have the worlds latest and greatest optical designs if you cant build them consistantly. Does anybody remember the special feature the Honeywell Pentax screwmount lenses had in this regard? ( this isnt a question I need answered, this is a quiz to the listers!). JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX Igor Roshchin wrote: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:51:58 -0800 Adam Maas wrote: Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam I remember that in 2000, when I was buying this lens, I looked at the comparative review (tests) in Practical Photography (don't mix with Popular Photography). The tests results were different enough to warrant comments comparing the quality of these three. Was it just a sample-to-sample variation, difference in quality control for different brands, or what? Igor Sample variation, almost entirely. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Thanks for the replies. I'll forward them along. On 2/8/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:51:58 -0800 Adam Maas wrote: Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam I remember that in 2000, when I was buying this lens, I looked at the comparative review (tests) in Practical Photography (don't mix with Popular Photography). The tests results were different enough to warrant comments comparing the quality of these three. Was it just a sample-to-sample variation, difference in quality control for different brands, or what? Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Igor Roshchin wrote: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:51:58 -0800 Adam Maas wrote: Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam I remember that in 2000, when I was buying this lens, I looked at the comparative review (tests) in Practical Photography (don't mix with Popular Photography). The tests results were different enough to warrant comments comparing the quality of these three. Was it just a sample-to-sample variation, difference in quality control for different brands, or what? Igor Sample variation, almost entirely. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Why older lenses are often better than new ones : WAS: RE: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
I forgot to mention this on some of the earlier threads concerning old vs new lenses. One of the reasons why many of the early pentax lenses ( late screwmounts and early K/M) mounts are so damn good is due to sample to sample variations ( or lack thereof! ). Not only was the build quality higher throughout the entire lens lineup, but along with it came better MFG quality and quality control. It doesnt matter if you have the worlds latest and greatest optical designs if you cant build them consistantly. Does anybody remember the special feature the Honeywell Pentax screwmount lenses had in this regard? ( this isnt a question I need answered, this is a quiz to the listers!). JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX Igor Roshchin wrote: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:51:58 -0800 Adam Maas wrote: Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam I remember that in 2000, when I was buying this lens, I looked at the comparative review (tests) in Practical Photography (don't mix with Popular Photography). The tests results were different enough to warrant comments comparing the quality of these three. Was it just a sample-to-sample variation, difference in quality control for different brands, or what? Igor Sample variation, almost entirely. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Pretty much all the 19-35 f3.5-4.5's are actually Cosina lenses. Tokina, Tamron, Vivitar and several others all rebrand them. Not a bad little performer, especially for the (extremely) low cost. -Adam Igor Roshchin wrote: Scott, As Adam, I have the 28-70 f2.6-2.8 AT-X Pro in Pentax AF mount. I've been using it since late 1997. It has been a great lense on my ZX-5n. I've been more than happy with it for all these years. I am yet to make an opinion how it works with *istDS. I am not sure if it renders as sharply, but I have never took time to check if that's my perception or the fact. Also, if it is a fact, it may also be due to something that happened to the lens over the time, as I haven't tried it on the film body recently. AFAIK, after this lens, Tokina had two (or maybe even 3) versions: one or two 28-70/2.8 and 28-80/2.8. 28-80 is from their ATX-Pro line (which usually consists of their best, optically and by the build, lenses). I heard some good references about that one as well. I am not sure about the newer 28-70. I know that at least one version of it is ATX-Pro. (still listed in Tokina web-site archive at http://thkphoto.com/products/tokina/tokina-03.html ). They may have been a non-ATX-Pro version. I remember that somebody on this list or some other forum had mentioned that he was not fully satisfied with the newer 28-70/2.8, and it was the one that was newer version than mine, but I don't remember which one. I hope somebody will clarify this for you. I hope I haven't confused you. Igor PS. I also have Tokina 19-35/3.5-4.5, which is not as good (and 20-35/2.8 ATX-Pro is much better, as I heard), but still a very reasonable performer. So, I have much better confidence in Tokina lenses then in any other 3-party brands, even though Sigma and Tamron have some very good lenses as well. Also: I am not sure if it is universal, but those ATX-Pro lenses that I saw had metal barrels, so they were heavier. Scott Loveless wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Scott Loveless wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? I've got the 28-70 f2.6-2.8 AT-X Pro in AF Nikon mount (the first AF version), the one she's looking at would likely be newer than the one I have. Good lens, but I'd rather have the Tamron 28-75 (which I miss) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Scott Loveless wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? If it's as good as the later one, it's a good lens. I've got one with the 77mm filter threads in Pentax KAF mount and have been well satisfied with it. It's very good glass. Not only that, my dealings with Tokina make me a more than satisfied customer. The short version ... I dropped the lens and damaged the zoom ring. I contacted Tokina about repairing it because I didn't know if they would ship to an APO address and I was about to deploy to Iraq. They said yes, so I sent it in. I enclosed a letter explaining: 1. I bought the lens second hand from KEH. 2. It was damaged when I dropped it. 3. I expected to pay for the repair since it was my fault. 4. APO and email addresses so they could send me the bill. They repaired it and shipped it back to me under warranty; at no cost to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Scott, As Adam, I have the 28-70 f2.6-2.8 AT-X Pro in Pentax AF mount. I've been using it since late 1997. It has been a great lense on my ZX-5n. I've been more than happy with it for all these years. I am yet to make an opinion how it works with *istDS. I am not sure if it renders as sharply, but I have never took time to check if that's my perception or the fact. Also, if it is a fact, it may also be due to something that happened to the lens over the time, as I haven't tried it on the film body recently. AFAIK, after this lens, Tokina had two (or maybe even 3) versions: one or two 28-70/2.8 and 28-80/2.8. 28-80 is from their ATX-Pro line (which usually consists of their best, optically and by the build, lenses). I heard some good references about that one as well. I am not sure about the newer 28-70. I know that at least one version of it is ATX-Pro. (still listed in Tokina web-site archive at http://thkphoto.com/products/tokina/tokina-03.html ). They may have been a non-ATX-Pro version. I remember that somebody on this list or some other forum had mentioned that he was not fully satisfied with the newer 28-70/2.8, and it was the one that was newer version than mine, but I don't remember which one. I hope somebody will clarify this for you. I hope I haven't confused you. Igor PS. I also have Tokina 19-35/3.5-4.5, which is not as good (and 20-35/2.8 ATX-Pro is much better, as I heard), but still a very reasonable performer. So, I have much better confidence in Tokina lenses then in any other 3-party brands, even though Sigma and Tamron have some very good lenses as well. Also: I am not sure if it is universal, but those ATX-Pro lenses that I saw had metal barrels, so they were heavier. Scott Loveless wrote: Hey gang. A friend of mine asked me about this lens. She's found one in Nikon mount that she's considering purchasing. It's the older model with 72mm filter threads. I couldn't find much about it via google. Most of the reviews are based on later models with 77mm threads. So I told her I'd ask around. Any opinions? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 28-70/2.8 ATX
Tokina had two (or maybe even 3) versions: one or two 28-70/2.8 and 28-80/2.8. 28-80 is from their ATX-Pro line (which usually consists of their best, optically and by the build, lenses). I heard some good references about that one as well. - I've got that one--the AT-X Pro AF 28-80 F2.8. It is a very sharp lens, though you can get it to flare. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 2.8/50-135 in the field
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Dario Bonazza wrote: http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/11/21/5079.html This is reduced-circle, yes? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 2.8/50-135 in the field
On 11/23/06 6:52 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/11/21/5079.html This is reduced-circle, yes? Yes. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina release details of their new lens line-up
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:39:54PM +0300, Roman wrote: http://www.photodo.com/topic_101.html Yes. you did notice this was a *March 9th* press release? So this 'news' is over seven months old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina release details of their new lens line-up
On 16/10/06, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:39:54PM +0300, Roman wrote: http://www.photodo.com/topic_101.html Yes. you did notice this was a *March 9th* press release? So this 'news' is over seven months old. News travels a little slower once inside the borders of Estonia ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina release details of their new lens line-up
Cotty wrote: On 16/10/06, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:39:54PM +0300, Roman wrote: http://www.photodo.com/topic_101.html Yes. you did notice this was a *March 9th* press release? So this 'news' is over seven months old. News travels a little slower once inside the borders of Estonia ;-) So do thought processes, apparently ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina release details of their new lens line-up
Seems the agreement with Pentax is paying off for someone, mostly Nikon users as they get the 10-17mm fisheye, which was all Pentax up till now IIRC. Roman wrote: http://www.photodo.com/topic_101.html Designed specifically for APS-C digital SLRs, the new line-up of lenses include *16-50mm f/2.8 DX, **50-135mm f/2.8 DX, **10-17mm f/3.5-4.5 DX Fisheye Zoom* -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina release details of their new lens line-up
Yes, and photodo.com lists this as news. Since I never noticed this website: Thanks for the tip! On 10/16/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:39:54PM +0300, Roman wrote: http://www.photodo.com/topic_101.html Yes. you did notice this was a *March 9th* press release? So this 'news' is over seven months old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina release details of their new lens line-up
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 01:31:39PM -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote: On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:39:54PM +0300, Roman wrote: http://www.photodo.com/topic_101.html Yes. you did notice this was a *March 9th* press release? So this 'news' is over seven months old. - Tsk, John. You know that accuracy in communication is increased by redundancy. If you care about accuracy, take a look at the release dates mentioned. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 50-135/2.8 pics
Welcome back Alan! Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 50-135/2.8 pics
Welcome back Alan! Kostas Thanks Kostas. :-) Regards, Alan Chan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 50-135/2.8 pics
Hi, as Tokina rep said me last saturday at Photokina - the same optics, the same coatings (sic!), just without ultrasonic focussing. So it's a very good indication indeed... Has anyone seen any pictures taken with 16-50/2.8 ??? They showed me some prints, but unfortunately couldn't give any picture files. BR, Margus Alan Chan wrote: Not a DA*, but might be an indication. http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/other/2006/09/29/4734.html Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Tokina 400mm teleconverters?
Replies embedded: Hello, list- IÂve seen some recent discussion on the list about some of the Tokina 400mm telephotos but have only caught a few of the messages (I usually follow the list via the archive which only seems to archive a small percentage of the messages for some reason), so I apologize if this issue has already been addressed *** Yes. I wonder why Mail-Archive does this. *** Can anyone recommend suitable teleconverters for the lens? I have the SD if that makes a difference  I recently picked one up used. I see a number of Kenko and Tokina doublers / teleconverters available new and used. Are there any restrictions on which ones would work, or recommendations on which might be best? Thanks, Rob *** The teleconverters offered by Tokina, Tamron, and Kenko are all made by Kenko. Stick to 1.4x for better results. Joe
Re: Tokina 400/5.6 variations (Re: long lens for birds?)
Hi Collin: mine is the RMC version, and it is of course manual focus and manual aperture only, but works perfectly on everything I've tried from an ME up to the *ist-D. As I said, I have found the glass good enough, having used it mainly at f5.6-8: you may recall my PUG shot Butterfly Dance was shot with it, and the displayed image is a fairly heavily cropped one, looking at that photo may allow others to judge it's quality. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Tokina 400/5.6 variations (Re: long lens for birds?) I've seen 3 varieties of this lens. The oldest of them is the RMC. Then came the SD Finally came AF and improved optics in the AT-X SD. Here's some general observations: The old RMC may be limited to the K/M mount. The SD can have A, or not, but also has a Ricoh pin. Fortunately Tokina had the foresight to make it a bump so that it won't interfere with Pentax' AF coupling. The AT-X SD is where auto-focus comes in. I've seen no manual focus AT-X SD in the 400/5.6. (Someone correct me if that observation is in error.) The SD and AT-X SD are Very Good optically. The RMC is much cheaper and OK optically. Not bad, like old Soligor. But imo it's worth the extra few bucks to get the SD. Collin KC8TKA
RE: Tokina shows new lenses at PIE 2006
I wonder if they will be oriced differently from the Pnmetax sosters? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Lucas Rijnders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. marts 2006 10:21 Til: PDML Emne: Tokina shows new lenses at PIE 2006 Hi all, Tokina is showing 'mock-ups' of their new AT-X lenses at PIE 2006. Amongst them the pair of f/2.8 zooms that will get DA brothers (or sisters?) See: http://www.tokina.co.jp/news/pie2006news.html -- Regards, Lucas -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/283 - Release Date: 03/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/283 - Release Date: 03/16/2006
RE: Tokina Doubler
Adorama carries the Kenko, Tamron and Tokina. The Tokina is the lowest priced 7 element 2x. I have/have had the Tamron and Promaster 4 and 7 element ones, the 7 element are far better optically.(Tamron and Promaster are identical.) They are very usable but image quality still suffers noticably. After using the Pentax F 1.7x converter I'm very spoiled. I do however use the Tamron 1.4x on ocassion, it's quite good with short/medium teles. Works very well with the Tamron SP90/2.8 Macro. Don -Original Message- From: Don Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:24 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Tokina Doubler Some one mentioned this the other day. There are two -- one with seven elements and one other. Does anyone know these things well? I've seen one AF version on some US dealers page but now forget where. Zen would say: If you don't use them is there any difference to the quality. Don -- Dr E D F Williams __ http://www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/index.htm http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams See feature: The Cement Company from Hell Updated: Added Print Gallery - 16 11 2005
RE: Tokina Doubler
Don Williams wrote: Zen would say: If you don't use them is there any difference to the quality. I think Zen ought to say if he's a Pentax user first. Malcolm
RE: Tokina Doubler
It is probably the same teleconverter, that is KENKO MC7. It's excellent. (I read test test). I have the Tele Plus versione that is an adjustable Macro converter. It is excellent too. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Don Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. februar 2006 14:24 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Tokina Doubler Some one mentioned this the other day. There are two -- one with seven elements and one other. Does anyone know these things well? I've seen one AF version on some US dealers page but now forget where. Zen would say: If you don't use them is there any difference to the quality. Don -- Dr E D F Williams __ http://www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/index.htm http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams See feature: The Cement Company from Hell Updated: Added Print Gallery - 16 11 2005
RE: Tokina Doubler
On 8 Feb 2006 at 17:09, Jens Bladt wrote: It is probably the same teleconverter, that is KENKO MC7. It's excellent. (I read test test). I have the Tele Plus versione that is an adjustable Macro converter. It is excellent too. Regards I had one of these, the contrast reduction compared with the three late Pentax TCs I had was very visible, it's only advantage was the AF drive. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Tokina zoom from eBay
I had a similar deal a while back with a whole camera bag full of goodies. I may sell some of it to fund further gear aquisition. :) --- Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received, in the mail today (8:00am), a lens that was posted in the UK on Monday afternoon. Its a Tokina 70-210, 4.5-5.6 'Red Ring'. It has a UV filter (not mentioned in the listing), a soft pouch and two lens caps (also not mentioned). It's pristine -- there's not a mark of the front glass or the back either. The 'K' mount looks like it's never been attached to a camera. After removing the dust (from the 'velvet' lining of the pouch ) I've failed to find a single scratch or wear mark on the barrel. I paid £9.99 plus £8 for postage. Don Dr E D F Williams ___ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams See feature: The Cement Company from Hell Updated: Print Gallery-- 16 11 2005 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tokina zoom from eBay
I saw that one go on ebay... I think a lot of people underestimate the quality of Tokina lenses. I would go out on a limb and say Tokina lenses for the most part are as good and in many cases, better than Pentax lenses when everything is taken into consideration and that includes build quality. I have just completed collecting the three lenses I wanted most all Tokina's : 80-200 f2.8, 28-70f2.8 and the 20-35 f3.5... (I think each and every one compares favourably to the Pentax equivalent and at a fraction of the cost. I recently sold the 100-300 manual focus ATX lens which was an excellent overall lens.. Anyone looking for a great lens at a reasonable cost should consider Tokina's offerings. Vic On 11-Jan-06, at 12:18 PM, Jon Myers wrote: I had a similar deal a while back with a whole camera bag full of goodies. I may sell some of it to fund further gear aquisition. :) --- Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received, in the mail today (8:00am), a lens that was posted in the UK on Monday afternoon. Its a Tokina 70-210, 4.5-5.6 'Red Ring'. It has a UV filter (not mentioned in the listing), a soft pouch and two lens caps (also not mentioned). It's pristine -- there's not a mark of the front glass or the back either. The 'K' mount looks like it's never been attached to a camera. After removing the dust (from the 'velvet' lining of the pouch ) I've failed to find a single scratch or wear mark on the barrel. I paid £9.99 plus £8 for postage. Don Dr E D F Williams ___ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams See feature: The Cement Company from Hell Updated: Print Gallery-- 16 11 2005 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tokina AT-X 24-200/3.5-5.6
Robert Gonzales, aka Gonz, and I are testing a bunch of lenses and this Tokina is one of them. Don't ask when we'll finish the testing, for we've been working on this project for quite a while, and it is definitely a bigger job than we anticipated mostly due to the number of lenses (Robert has a LOT of lenses.), and we don't have a permanent testing setup. I'll give you my opinion. The lens is well built - only the lens hood has a plasticky feel. Considering the focal range the lens is quite compact and light. I use it for snaps so I'm not looking to produce large prints from it. I was involved in an auto accident, and I used it to take documentation photos with Kodachrome 25. The insurance company enlarged what I shot to 20x30s and one 40x60. I was impressed with the quality. Yeah, the resolution and tonal range is probably not up FA 80~200/2.8 quality, but I will guess that it can favorably compare to the cheaper Pentax zooms and maybe beat some of them. If you care for more info, drop me a personal email and I'll gladly respond. Otherwise, please patiently wait for The Gonz Report. Fred said: Hello. Does anyone have any experience with the Tokina AT-X 24-200/3.5-5.6 lens? It seems to get pretty good reviews (better than a lot of the more common 28-200 super-zooms). Thanks. Fred
Re: Tokina AT-X 24-200/3.5-5.6
At 07:17 PM 30/11/2005 , John Munro wrote: I was involved in an auto accident, and I used it to take documentation photos with Kodachrome 25. The insurance company enlarged what I shot to 20x30s and one 40x60. I was impressed with the quality. That could get to be an expensive lens testing methodology. :-) Powell
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
What are you thinking of bringing? Pat in SF --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, depending on what gear I bring, I'd be able to carry it around for you. Shel [Original Message] From: Shel Belinkoff Hi Patsy ... Sure, if it's no trouble for you to bring it and carry it around. In addition to seeing Godfrey's 20-35, would you be interested in seeing a Tokina 20-35/3.5-4.5 autofocus lens at the Pixel Party?
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
Hi Patsy, Well, if the DS is here, that and a couple-three lenses. If not, maybe a Leica or two and a couple of lenses or an MX and two or three lenses. But, in truth, if the DS isn't here, I won't know for sure until much closer to the date. Heck, I may even decide to bring an LX or a Yashicamat. Shel [Original Message] From: Pat Kong What are you thinking of bringing? Pat in SF --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, depending on what gear I bring, I'd be able to carry it around for you. Shel [Original Message] From: Shel Belinkoff Hi Patsy ... Sure, if it's no trouble for you to bring it and carry it around. In addition to seeing Godfrey's 20-35, would you be interested in seeing a Tokina 20-35/3.5-4.5 autofocus lens at the Pixel Party?
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
Just got back from a two-day jaunt to Tijuana and back. Not really a photographic trip, but I did carry the camera and 20-35/4, 35/2, 50/1.7 and 28-105/3.2-4.5 lenses. With the Pentax gear, this all fits in a nice, small, light bag. Such a difference from trying to carry my 10D in a similar manner! All but 10 of the 80 exposures I made were made with the 20-35. (The other 10 were made with the 35/2 and 28-105; the 50 never got out of the bag.) This is a perfect focal length range for so much of my photography, and the optical performance combined with the physically small, non-intrusive size is a bang-on winner for me. Switching to the FA35/2 AL, yes, the 35mm prime is a better performer and made a couple of exposures that would have been difficult with the f/4 lens. Only 1 stop faster on the Tokina compared to the FA20-35/4 isn't enough to warrant the additional size and weight, even if the Tokina is a good performer, IMO. Godfrey On Sep 10, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Smaller, lighter lenses are preferable, but the extra stop of the Tokina is also desirable. Maybe I can find one somewhere and check the quality. Working with a slower lens, if the quality (i.e., the desired characteristics) is superior, is worthwhile. Thanks! Frantisek wrote: GD I have no direct experience with the Tokina. However, on specs alone, GD I wouldn't want the Tokina due to its size and weight. Specs can be misleading. The Tokina is the smallest 2.8 wide zoom ever produced, and for the speed and reach, it's quite small.Unfortunately, the samples I have tried were quite bad on digital, with lot of purple fringing and other failures. I have heard good things about it on film, and one news shooter quite liked his paper's, so maybe it could be worth a look. Perhaps it's sample variation, or whatever.
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
Welcome back ... I tend to agree with you, but I've just gotta see for myself. It's not just the extra stop that's of interest, although that's the prime consideration, but other factors such as the characteristics of the image and build quality are also factors that I'd consider. Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Just got back from a two-day jaunt to Tijuana and back. Only 1 stop faster on the Tokina compared to the FA20-35/4 isn't enough to warrant the additional size and weight, even if the Tokina is a good performer, IMO.
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
Shel, In addition to seeing Godfrey's 20-35, would you be interested in seeing a Tokina 20-35/3.5-4.5 autofocus lens at the Pixel Party? It's not the 2.8, but it's mostly metal constructed, as far as I can tell and quite a bit heavier than my other Pentax lenses. As far as image quality, you will have to decide for yourself. Like Godfrey, I find myself using this focal length a lot in addition to the 28-105/3.2-4.5 now that I am using the digital body. Pat in SF --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome back ... I tend to agree with you, but I've just gotta see for myself. It's not just the extra stop that's of interest, although that's the prime consideration, but other factors such as the characteristics of the image and build quality are also factors that I'd consider. Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Just got back from a two-day jaunt to Tijuana and back. Only 1 stop faster on the Tokina compared to the FA20-35/4 isn't enough to warrant the additional size and weight, even if the Tokina is a good performer, IMO.
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
On Sep 11, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Welcome back ... Thanks. I tend to agree with you, but I've just gotta see for myself. It's not just the extra stop that's of interest, although that's the prime consideration, but other factors such as the characteristics of the image and build quality are also factors that I'd consider. Those are certainly factors. It would be great to hear of some first hand experience with it on the DS. Godfrey
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
Hi Patsy ... Sure, if it's no trouble for you to bring it and carry it around. In all honesty, constant aperture lenses are of greater interest to me, but then again, I don't think I've ever seen, and certainly not used, a variable aperture lens. Oh, wait, I think John Celio's 18~35 is a variable aperture, and I made about five or seven shots with it. Shel [Original Message] From: Pat Kong Shel, In addition to seeing Godfrey's 20-35, would you be interested in seeing a Tokina 20-35/3.5-4.5 autofocus lens at the Pixel Party?
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
Actually, depending on what gear I bring, I'd be able to carry it around for you. Shel [Original Message] From: Shel Belinkoff Hi Patsy ... Sure, if it's no trouble for you to bring it and carry it around. In addition to seeing Godfrey's 20-35, would you be interested in seeing a Tokina 20-35/3.5-4.5 autofocus lens at the Pixel Party?
RE: Tokina 80-200/2.8 AT-X AF
Hello Colling. Very intersting: Which body have ypu used it with? (I use *ist D And MZ-S) (why does it lose contact - is the contact conection wireing inside the lens damanged and may be reapaired? I would need to have thos repaired - I guess 100UISD for a reparair would be OK. I shoot concert shots in Av mode to ensure fast speed. Thus will I need Av to work. I would probably use it at F.2.8-5.6 most of the time. (For good light conditions I'll use my F 70-210mm). I want shots like this, but at slower ISO (400-1600 ASA) speeds: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/41804846/ Have your ever had it disassembled (my 1st Tokina AT-X 2.6-2.8 28-70mm suffered the same, due to unqualified repair attempt(me) after an impact damage. The zoom ring thing doesn't really bother me, as I often shoot 20-100 similar shots without ever changing my position or the subject framing. Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 10. september 2005 13:53 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Tokina 80-200/2.8 AT-X AF Tokina 80-200/2.8 AT-X AF I got this from a PDMLer, but with one caveat. Then I got the 80-400, so this has sat in its box and I've hardly touched it. So it should go. It's the AF version. Here's the caveat: The zoom ring has some play, so you simply keep it pulled back when turning it. Otherwise it loses electrical contact with the body. As a result I got it for a good price. And I'm going to pass it on for that price PLUS I'll throw in the 1.4x AF TC. $225 + shipping. PayPal preferred. Collin
RE: Tokina 80-200/2.8 AT-X AF
... I meant of course Shutter Priority Mode; Tv. Camera must set Aperture. BTW: www.Photodo.com rates the Sigma EX 2.8 70-200mm APO above the compeditors from Pentax and Tokina!! Amazing, isn't it? Grade: 3.9 35mm/MF Sigma AF 70-200/2,8 APO EX HSM Grade: 3.4 35mm/AF Tokina AT-X AF 80-200/2,8 Grade: 3.2 35mm/AF Pentax SMC-FA Zoom 80-200/2,8 ED (IF) Regards Jens Hello Collin. Very intersting: Which body have ypu used it with? (I use *ist D And MZ-S) (why does it lose contact - is the contact conection wireing inside the lens damanged and may be reapaired? I would need to have thos repaired - I guess 100UISD for a reparair would be OK. I shoot concert shots in Av mode to ensure fast speed. Thus will I need Av to work. I would probably use it at F.2.8-5.6 most of the time. (For good light conditions I'll use my F 70-210mm). I want shots like this, but at slower ISO (400-1600 ASA) speeds: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/41804846/ Have your ever had it disassembled (my 1st Tokina AT-X 2.6-2.8 28-70mm suffered the same, due to unqualified repair attempt(me) after an impact damage. The zoom ring thing doesn't really bother me, as I often shoot 20-100 similar shots without ever changing my position or the subject framing. Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 10. september 2005 13:53 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Tokina 80-200/2.8 AT-X AF Tokina 80-200/2.8 AT-X AF I got this from a PDMLer, but with one caveat. Then I got the 80-400, so this has sat in its box and I've hardly touched it. So it should go. It's the AF version. Here's the caveat: The zoom ring has some play, so you simply keep it pulled back when turning it. Otherwise it loses electrical contact with the body. As a result I got it for a good price. And I'm going to pass it on for that price PLUS I'll throw in the 1.4x AF TC. $225 + shipping. PayPal preferred. Collin
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
Smaller, lighter lenses are preferable, but the extra stop of the Tokina is also desirable. Maybe I can find one somewhere and check the quality. Working with a slower lens, if the quality (i.e., the desired characteristics) is superior, is worthwhile. Thanks! Frantisek wrote: GD I have no direct experience with the Tokina. However, on specs alone, GD I wouldn't want the Tokina due to its size and weight. Specs can be misleading. The Tokina is the smallest 2.8 wide zoom ever produced, and for the speed and reach, it's quite small.Unfortunately, the samples I have tried were quite bad on digital, with lot of purple fringing and other failures. I have heard good things about it on film, and one news shooter quite liked his paper's, so maybe it could be worth a look. Perhaps it's sample variation, or whatever.
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
On Sep 8, 2005, at 8:34 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Any comments on this puppy? The Pentax FA20-35/4 is very well respected, and one of the best lenses in its class for any lens mount. I don't know how good the Tokina is. I have no direct experience with the Tokina. However, on specs alone, I wouldn't want the Tokina due to its size and weight. - Tokina AF20-35mm f/2.8 AT-X 235AF Pro IF Mfr# ATX235AFP • BH# TO203528PAF Our Price: $ 479.95 vs Pentax SMCP-FA 20-35mm f/4.0 AL Mfr# 27960 • BH# PE20354FA Our Price: $ 499.95 - - Spec comparison - Filter Size: 77mm vs 58mm f/Stop Range: 2.8-22 vs 4.0-22 Minimum Focus Distance: 1.7' vs 1.0' Magnification: NA vs 1:6.25 Groups/Elements: 11/15 vs 8/10 Length: 3.4 vs 2.7 Maximum Diameter: 3.3 vs 2.7 Weight: 1.29lb vs 0.54lb - The groups/elements spec is also notable. Unless the design is very very well worked out, it's likely that the Tokina has a greater problem with flare. Pentax SMCP coatings are amongst the best in the industry too. A $20 premium for one of Pentax nicest zooms, with a deficit of 1 stop and all the advantages of smaller/lighter/more compact ... :-) Godfrey
Re: Tokina 20~35 2.8 AF Pro
GD I have no direct experience with the Tokina. However, on specs alone, GD I wouldn't want the Tokina due to its size and weight. Specs can be misleading. The Tokina is the smallest 2.8 wide zoom ever produced, and for the speed and reach, it's quite small.Unfortunately, the samples I have tried were quite bad on digital, with lot of purple fringing and other failures. I have heard good things about it on film, and one news shooter quite liked his paper's, so maybe it could be worth a look. Perhaps it's sample variation, or whatever. Good light! fra
Re: Tokina ATX 828 80-200 f2.8 SD
I have an opportunity to buy this manual focus lens for $300 Australian. The lens has never been used in prime condition and original box. Has any one on the list had any experience with this lens, and is it a good buy. It's an excellent lens. I guess $300 AUD (about $225 USD) is a decent enough price for it, if it's in such good shape, although I have seen apparently good specimens go for a bit less. You might want to make sure it's a Ka-mount lens, though - this model is available both in A and in pre-A K-mount trim. Fred
Re: Tokina ATX 828 80-200 f2.8 SD
This one time, at band camp, Charles Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other alternative is to buy the sigma but at over $1500 Australian its expensive. Where did you find the Sigma? Everywhere I look they tell me they need to order one in from the US. Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
Wendy Said: I also used to own Bruce's Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 which I quite liked too :-). I even bought a second copy in EOS mount. Now I have neither. They were sold to fund other purchases, not because I wasn't happy with the quality of the images.. Going for the N version. Dave Sheila Wendy Beard Ottawa, Canada
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy Said: I also used to own Bruce's Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 which I quite liked too :-). I even bought a second copy in EOS mount. Now I have neither. They were sold to fund other purchases, not because I wasn't happy with the quality of the images.. Going for the N version. Dave :-) No. I think I've spent enough this year already (famous last words) Wendy Wendy Beard Ottawa, Canada
Re: Tokina ATX 828 80-200 f2.8 SD
On 8/22/05, Charles Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, I have an opportunity to buy this manual focus lens for $300 Australian. The lens has never been used in prime condition and original box. Has any one on the list had any experience with this lens, and is it a good buy. The other alternative is to buy the sigma but at over $1500 Australian its expensive. I somewhat recently acquired one that I'm very happy with. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D
IR Again, I am not sure how the new lens is compared to the old one, IR and what is the difference between the 28-70/2.8 and 28-80/2.8, IR i.e. which one is the continuation of the 28-70/2.6-2.8 design, if any. IR I was curious about that myself. See the archives! This is a recuperant theme, and was discussed few months ago quite a lot. Just shortly, 28-70/2.6-2.8 ATX 28-80/2.8 ATX are the pro versions. The 28-70/2.8 SV ATX is the cheap version (~300 Euro), plastic and not as great, but still good. Good light! fra
Re: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D
From: Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D IR Again, I am not sure how the new lens is compared to the old one, IR and what is the difference between the 28-70/2.8 and 28-80/2.8, IR i.e. which one is the continuation of the 28-70/2.6-2.8 design, if any. IR I was curious about that myself. See the archives! This is a recuperant theme, and was discussed few months ago quite a lot. Just shortly, 28-70/2.6-2.8 ATX 28-80/2.8 ATX are the pro versions. The 28-70/2.8 SV ATX is the cheap version (~300 Euro), plastic and not as great, but still good. Good light! fra Frantisek, I've searched the archives, but didn't find the answer. I might try to search again. I thought it could be the way you wrote, but Tokina website claims that 28-70/2.8 ATX SV is also in the PRO line: http://www.thkphoto.com/products/tokina/index.html http://www.thkphoto.com/products/tokina/afl-03.html Judging from the picture, - its external design is very close to that of 28-70/2.6-2.8 ATX PRO However, the internal design pictured there indeed seems to indicate better optics quality of the 28-80/2.8 compared to that of 28-70/2.8 Igor
Re: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D
IR I've searched the archives, but didn't find the answer. IR I might try to search again. I will try to look up the messages on my computer, if they are still here. IR I thought it could be the way you wrote, but Tokina website IR claims that 28-70/2.8 ATX SV is also in the PRO line: IR http://www.thkphoto.com/products/tokina/index.html IR http://www.thkphoto.com/products/tokina/afl-03.html They may say what they want, but I have handled both the 2.6-2.8, 2.8 SV (yes, it features PRO denomination as well). The 28-80 I have only handled once, and not shot any photos. Simply, there is difference in mechanical construction and materials* once you compare the SV and non-SV versions. SV was previous line of Tokina's consumer lenses, the SV PRO is a merge of the two?!? Optically, I have seen better results from the non-SV versions, esp. at full aperture. That said, it's not a bad lens at all, just not as great as the earlier (and quite a lot more expensive) Tokina 2.6-2.8 or 28-80 probably. *: the zoom rings are plastic in the SV version. Like with most partly plastic lenses like Sigma 70-200/2.8, once you squeeze the zoom ring a bit, it turns much less freely compared to a good all-metal zoom. More of the outer shell is plastic too. The design looks the same, but the materials differ, just hold them in hand :) Hope that helps.
Re: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D
The original Tokina 28-70 Pro is the last zoom that Angenieux made for SLR, bought and rebadged by Tokina. Further Tokina 28-70 and 28-80 models developped from there I guess. Andre
RE: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D
Mine is not SV. What does SV stand for? Mine is the AT-X 2.6-2.8/28-70mm Pro II. Amd it's really excellent, pehaps except for the 28mm range - not that sharp. Regards Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Andre Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 21. august 2005 21:41 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D The original Tokina 28-70 Pro is the last zoom that Angenieux made for SLR, bought and rebadged by Tokina. Further Tokina 28-70 and 28-80 models developped from there I guess. Andre
RE: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
Thanks to everybody who shared their experience and thoughts on this subject! Igor
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
Hello David, When I got this lens, I had quite specific needs. I already had a Tokina 80-200/2.8. I found that lens to not really fit me. For my wedding work, it was too big and bulky to use comfortably - I replaced it with an A 70-210/4 and for my baseball work I needed a lens that went to at least 300 and could be used at f4 with good results. There is always the teleconverter route and I tried that first. Just didn't like the results all that much. Not to mention that AF is slowed down a bit when having to go through the converter. About the only time I use AF is for this baseball stuff. So the only lens that would really fit my needs was the Sigma 100-300/4 EX. I can say that through testing, I am satisfied with it's wide open performance. Overall, optically it is very good. The tripod collar is very nice and quick to switch the lens orientation and the hood is very good - bayonet both ways so can be stored on lens when not in use. Build quality seems to be quite good - doesn't have that indestructable feel of the Tokinas though. Both zoom and focus are internal so the lens body doesn't change length at all - very usable that way. So yes, I would recommend it, if that is the kind of thing you are needing. I generally shoot it from a monopod. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, August 18, 2005, 9:33:17 PM, you wrote: DS G'day Bruce, DS I'm already saving for my Christmas present to myself g. I've been DS eyeing either the Sigma 100-300 f4 or the 70-200 f2.8. DS I'd be interested in the hear your thoughts and opinions of the 100-300 f4. DS Dave DS On 8/19/05, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Igor, DS snip At one point I owned this lens. The two issues I had with it were that at 200mm and f2.8 it was too soft. It sharpened up by f4 or shorter focal lengths. The second issue was that for most of my use (wedding/portraits) it was just too big and heavy. I finally ended up with a Sigma 100-300/4 EX for sports shooting on a monopod and the A 70-210/4 for my wedding and portrait work. DS snip Bruce
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
Igor, I used to own the manual focus version (with A, ha ha) of the 2.8 and now have the AF version. And I also have the Tokina AT-X 80-400/4.5-5.6, which is also an AF lens. The 80-200 AF is notably smaller then the manual focus version. Optically, I liked the manual focus version better. But both are excellent. The mechanical feel of the two is a toss-up. The MF version is easier to get my hand around, but the AF version, being a little smaller, is easier to hold in general. Everything I've heard about the recent Sigma offerings has been positive. They needed, badly, to put out some good stuff to rebuild their reputation. The 80-400 is easy to handle. It get's soft when past about 380mm. And like everything else Tokina, stop down the aperture one stop for maximum sharpness. It's a fine lens. One showing significant outside wear went for a bargain price on eBay last week. I hope some PDMLer got it. The 80-400 is a little difficult to use with AF in low light or out around 400mm. So use it MF and you're fine. The 80-400 AF is faster on the DS than the 80-200/2.8 AF response. I wonder if Pentax needs to add some dynamic adjustment to light sensitivity or contrast level to the AF system. The 80-200 is great, but does tend to hunt a bit. The 80-400 didn't hunt much at all. The older 80-400 has no tripod collar. The new II version does. With any of these lenses, that's important. Since we don't have anything resembling IS yet. But alas. And all of your options are $ (Pentax / 2). Whatever you get, they all produce excellent images. Don't worry about that side. Just get one and shoot. You'll be happy. Collin KC8TKA mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
--- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Bruce, I'm already saving for my Christmas present to myself g. I've been eyeing either the Sigma 100-300 f4 or the 70-200 f2.8. I'd be interested in the hear your thoughts and opinions of the 100-300 f4. Dave I'm not Bruce, but I used to own the Sigma 100-300 f4. Excellent lens. Image quality also excellent. Pretty hefty but not too unwieldy. Sold it only a couple of months ago. It became pretty much redundant when I bought a 100-400 (for EOS) I also used to own Bruce's Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 which I quite liked too :-). I even bought a second copy in EOS mount. Now I have neither. They were sold to fund other purchases, not because I wasn't happy with the quality of the images. Sheila Wendy Beard Ottawa, Canada
Re: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D
Is this the current one? If so, it tests less well than two others: Tamron 28-75 f2.8 Tokina AT-X AF Pro 28-80 f2.8 I have the Tokina 28-80, and can attest that it is very sharp but heavy, and can flare if shot into the sun. The Tamron is also very sharp, lighter, and less expensive. Joe
Re: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:45:03 -0700 From: John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO SV 28-70mm f/2.8D Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have the Pentax version of this lens? I'm wondering how it compares to the much more expensive and heavy Pentax FA 28-70 F2.8. The Photodo rating for the Pentax is 3.5 compared to a 3.1 for the Tokina. I've had my eye on the FA for some time now, but for its price I could get an FA 24-90 plus maybe a couple others on my list (16-45, 50-200, etc). Thanks, Jay T I have AT-X 28-70 PRO f/2.6-2.8, purchased back in 1997, which I believe is the previous version of this. This is a very good lens, and at that time it was tested very well against other brands. I don't remember details, but my impression that it was rated just below the counterpart from Pentax, and way above the similar lenses from the Sigma and/or Tamron (I don't remember who had what at that point). Overall, my lens is very good. I think it a bit soft on with the aperture one open, but half a step closed down it seems to be alright. It is rather heavy and large in size, but to me it is worth hauling it around. With ZX-5n and *ist DS it is usually quick to focus (if the manual focusing ring is disengaged). Maybe not as fast as my Pentax SMC FA 50/1.7, but, still fast enough. Again, I am not sure how the new lens is compared to the old one, and what is the difference between the 28-70/2.8 and 28-80/2.8, i.e. which one is the continuation of the 28-70/2.6-2.8 design, if any. I was curious about that myself. Igor
RE: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
FWIW, If you don't want or need AF, you can get either the Tokina SD or the Tamron SP 80-200mm F.8 Lenses for under $300 in nice shape used. They are both excellent lenses... JCO -Original Message- From: Igor Roshchin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:39 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions Hi All! I've been using a Tamron 70-300 f/4-5.6, but now I am thinking about replacing it with a better quality lens. Recently, the limitations of this lens appear in the images a bit too often. Pentax 80-200/2.8 appears to be out of my budget (unless some kind soul would sell it to me at some mid-triple-digit price). :-) So, I am currently looking at Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO (80-200, f/2.8) It is still expensive (~$610-$60~=$550), but ... Does anybody have experience with this lens? Has anybody used it with *ist DS/D? Are there any comparative tests online? (I tried to find, but couldn't so far) Also, - I see that there is a $60 rebate for this lens. Usually this means that the price should go down soon, most often due to a new lens coming on the market. Has the been any talks of Tokina going to bring out new lenses, maybe in a digital line? Related suggestions are greatly appreciated (am I overlooking other alternatives?). Thanks in advance, Igor
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
Hello Igor, Here is a link to some shots taken with that lens: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=14636626 There is a link in there to more shots. In answer to the thread, the photographer indicates that they were shot with the lens in question. At one point I owned this lens. The two issues I had with it were that at 200mm and f2.8 it was too soft. It sharpened up by f4 or shorter focal lengths. The second issue was that for most of my use (wedding/portraits) it was just too big and heavy. I finally ended up with a Sigma 100-300/4 EX for sports shooting on a monopod and the A 70-210/4 for my wedding and portrait work. The rebate has been going on for quite some time now. I don't really get the feeling that Tokina is trying to dump them for a new version. Most things I see and read lead me to believe that the Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX is a better lens, at least optically. I can say that if I needed that type of lens again, it is one that I would consider, along with the Sigma. HTH, Bruce Thursday, August 18, 2005, 2:38:40 PM, you wrote: IR Hi All! IR I've been using a Tamron 70-300 f/4-5.6, but now I am thinking about IR replacing it with a better quality lens. IR Recently, the limitations of this lens appear in the images a bit IR too often. IR Pentax 80-200/2.8 appears to be out of my budget IR (unless some kind soul would sell it to me at some mid-triple-digit price). IR :-) IR So, I am currently looking at Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO (80-200, f/2.8) IR It is still expensive (~$610-$60~=$550), but ... IR Does anybody have experience with this lens? IR Has anybody used it with *ist DS/D? IR Are there any comparative tests online? (I tried to find, but couldn't so far) IR Also, - I see that there is a $60 rebate for this lens. IR Usually this means that the price should go down soon, most often IR due to a new lens coming on the market. IR Has the been any talks of Tokina going to bring out new lenses, IR maybe in a digital line? IR Related suggestions are greatly appreciated (am I overlooking IR other alternatives?). IR Thanks in advance, IR Igor
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
On 18/8/05, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed: If you don't want or need AF, you can get either the Tokina SD I used to have the manual focus Tokina 80-200 2.8 and that was a really nice lens. In fact on the MX with a winder attached, it was a killer combo :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 11:07:49PM +0100, Cotty mused: I used to have the manual focus Tokina 80-200 2.8 and that was a really nice lens. In fact on the MX with a winder attached, it was a killer combo :-) Who did you bludgeon with it? -- Christopher Oliver, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Inside every good dog is a terrier trying to get out.
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
On 18/8/05, Christopher Oliver, discombobulated, unleashed: In fact on the MX with a winder attached, it was a killer combo :-) Who did you bludgeon with it? I wish it had been the dude who won the auction for the one previous to the one I won :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
I use the same lens on my Super Program with the winder. Works best on the muggers if you remove the hood first. Don't want to crack the plastic... Works nicely for frightening small children and old ladies. Especially with the Metz handle flash attached... -Mat On 8/18/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/8/05, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed: If you don't want or need AF, you can get either the Tokina SD I used to have the manual focus Tokina 80-200 2.8 and that was a really nice lens. In fact on the MX with a winder attached, it was a killer combo :-)
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
- Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin Subject: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions So, I am currently looking at Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO (80-200, f/2.8) It is still expensive (~$610-$60~=$550), but ... Related suggestions are greatly appreciated (am I overlooking other alternatives?). Tokina made a really good 80-200 f/2.8 manual focus lens for quite a while. I think it was an SD lens. Mine doesn't have an A setting, which is too bad. Optically, it is a swell lens on the istD. William Robb
RE: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
the too bad part is the cameras fault not the lens's. Put the shame where it belongs, K/M type lenses are perfectly capable of everything but program AE and shutter priority AE ( neither of which are/were very popular ) but the PENTAX DSLR is ignoring their capabilities... Its not the lenses fault at all...Its PENTAX DSLR fault for not utilizing ALL the features of the K/M type lenses... (specifically not sensing the aperture ring setting cam) JCO -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:08 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin Subject: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions So, I am currently looking at Tokina AT-X 828 AF PRO (80-200, f/2.8) It is still expensive (~$610-$60~=$550), but ... Related suggestions are greatly appreciated (am I overlooking other alternatives?). Tokina made a really good 80-200 f/2.8 manual focus lens for quite a while. I think it was an SD lens. Mine doesn't have an A setting, which is too bad. Optically, it is a swell lens on the istD. William Robb
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
G'day Bruce, I'm already saving for my Christmas present to myself g. I've been eyeing either the Sigma 100-300 f4 or the 70-200 f2.8. I'd be interested in the hear your thoughts and opinions of the 100-300 f4. Dave On 8/19/05, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Igor, snip At one point I owned this lens. The two issues I had with it were that at 200mm and f2.8 it was too soft. It sharpened up by f4 or shorter focal lengths. The second issue was that for most of my use (wedding/portraits) it was just too big and heavy. I finally ended up with a Sigma 100-300/4 EX for sports shooting on a monopod and the A 70-210/4 for my wedding and portrait work. snip Bruce
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
Mine has an A setting on the aperture ring. nelsonHA-HA!/nelson -Mat On 8/18/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tokina made a really good 80-200 f/2.8 manual focus lens for quite a while. I think it was an SD lens. Mine doesn't have an A setting, which is too bad. Optically, it is a swell lens on the istD.
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
- Original Message - From: Mat Maessen Subject: Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions Mine has an A setting on the aperture ring. Is it a nice lens otherwise? William Robb
