CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #385
The best thing for your gut is regular and small amounts of sauerkraut. Once a week. About a quarter of a cup. This takes over and gives you superior friendly bacteria.Al -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>New to List
Hi Christy... I was using only 10ppm two times per day. It took about 2 months for me to start really feeling its affects. Although I was also taking a number of other supplements, some of which I have returned to, such as pantothenic acid (up to 1500 mg/day), CoQ10, primrose oil, calcium/magnesium supplement, garlic tablets, B-complex, flax seed, and fish oils. A nurse practitioner who knows about these problems also believes that it's probably CNS Lyme. The only thing is that when this 'episode' started similar symptoms began, but showed themselves in slightly different ways. Because of my long term experience with this, it completely threw me. I will have to wait and see. But I certainly won't sit back and wait. Thanks for the message. Jeannie -Original Message- From: ritz3...@aol.com [mailto:ritz3...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>New to List Hi Jeannie, I would assume its probably CNS Lyme. That's great the success you had with CS in the past. I would go back to that and stay on it. Can I ask what ppm you used and what dose? Thanks, Christy In a message dated 6/5/00 4:30:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ar...@nf.sympatico.ca writes: << > Hi to all... I just subscribed to this list because I found > colloidal silver (again). A few years ago I was diagnosed with > Lyme Disease, after spending 3 years being misdiagnosed and > almost crippled. After finally receiving antibiotic therapy > and my body not tolerating such after a couple of years, I > turned to alternative medicine. Several homeopaths and > nutritionists had told me about colloidal silver, so I began to > do my own investigation on the limited literature available at > the time. > > I found that it really helped me alot and after about a year, I > fell off the wagon (so to speak) because I was feeling pretty > good. About 8 months ago, I started slipping again into a > stupor, double vision, trouble with speech and gait and once > again started on the travails to find out what was wrong. > > It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I > guess my question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the > Colloidal Silver hurt me in any way. Does anyone know anything > about this? > > Thank you and good health to all of you, > > Jeannie >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:HVAC-LVDC
Roger, have you found the Holy Grail? Is sputtering 25+ times more effecient
("output increases by at least two orders of magnitude") then the relatively
loss less LVDC process? You and others often refer to "sputtering", the
definition which I know, (as in vacuum metalization) is the vaporization of a
metal (atoms, not ions?). Are you not then producing with sputtering a fine
suspension of silver particles?
Current density, in a real process, is rarely the wetted surface area but
usually
the projected surface area with maybe a 10-20% adder for fringe effects. As to
the smaller particle size with the HVAC process, the LVDC process releases
ions and they seem to come in only one size! What is your reference to HVAC
making smaller particles?
f...@health2us.com - A HV expert with no clue to why HVAC Cs is produced!
-
At 12:13 PM 6/5/2000, you wrote:
I think if you compare the output of a typical HVAC setup to the type of LVDC
set up recommended here, you will find a much lower output from HVAC.
However, if you sputter silver off the electrode the output increases by at
least two orders of magnitude.
To calculate current density, divide your operating current by the wetted
surface area of the silver electrodes. I don't think you'll find that the
current density difference sheds much light on the difference in CS output
between HVAC and LVDC. It probably has more to do with the high energy
required to produce the smaller particle size from HVAC.
Roger
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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #389
You would do well to search the archives here, the issue of bottles has be rehashed over and over - it makes no difference what you use, except a used cork will add more then 5PPM to any solution! The need for colored bottles came from poor product "silver salts or compounds" as most are photosensitive and from Cs with many crystals, as light accelerates crystal growth and thus loss of strength and settlement. The good stuff will last for years in clear plastic and boiling or freezing (or electric fields) or UV light has shown no change in the TDS (PPM) measurements! you can gain more answers from our site http://www.health2us.com/colloid.htm f...@health2us.com Lisa said: At 12:07 AM 6/5/2000, you wrote: I've been curious as to what sorts of bottles most of you use to store your CS? I hit on the idea of using corked amber beer bottles and have been patting myself on the back all week. Anyone know of reactions of CS to corks? I've also prepared a nice amber rum bottle and a wine bottle! I finally found out the reason that people say not to refrigerate CS. It's the electric field of the fridge itself that may interfere with the charge of the colloid. Any comments/additions? :) Thanks in advance! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>COULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FORMULA FOR AMPS PER SQ CM OR
You are taking a simplistic approach Marshall, that all energy inputted is used in the HVAC process! The HVAC process is very lossy and with any AC load the power factor must be factored in. The most obvious loss though is the reported rise in temperature! Could you send me a sample to play with, no one has ever agreed to give me a sample of HVAC Cs, although I ask often. Fred Peschel, 3516 Delilah Drive, Cape Coral, FL 33993 Thanks, f...@health2us.com -- Ivan Anderson wrote: > Wayne, > > Unfortunately it is not as simple as that. > > Running a current of 1mA for 1hr will liberate 4mg of silver, and if > this is into 1L of water then that means 4ppm per hr. That is interesting. In our HVAC process we are running 100 mA, and this produces 5 ppm in 5 gallons an hour. According to the figure above, we should have liberated 400 mg of silver (making 20 ppm of CS), so we are getting about 25% efficiency on generating the colloid. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New to List
Hi Jeannie, I would assume its probably CNS Lyme. That's great the success you had with CS in the past. I would go back to that and stay on it. Can I ask what ppm you used and what dose? Thanks, Christy In a message dated 6/5/00 4:30:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ar...@nf.sympatico.ca writes: << > Hi to all... I just subscribed to this list because I found > colloidal silver (again). A few years ago I was diagnosed with > Lyme Disease, after spending 3 years being misdiagnosed and > almost crippled. After finally receiving antibiotic therapy > and my body not tolerating such after a couple of years, I > turned to alternative medicine. Several homeopaths and > nutritionists had told me about colloidal silver, so I began to > do my own investigation on the limited literature available at > the time. > > I found that it really helped me alot and after about a year, I > fell off the wagon (so to speak) because I was feeling pretty > good. About 8 months ago, I started slipping again into a > stupor, double vision, trouble with speech and gait and once > again started on the travails to find out what was wrong. > > It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I > guess my question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the > Colloidal Silver hurt me in any way. Does anyone know anything > about this? > > Thank you and good health to all of you, > > Jeannie >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages
"Nina Silver, Ph.D." wrote: > Kathy, > Thanks for the tip. However, since I spend too much time at the computer > already, I don't have the patience or time to copy and paste. I am hoping > the people who send messages like that will be willing to rectify the > situation -- otherwise, my automatic delete function will take over. > > For my eyes, the capital letters don't help, they make seeing the message > worse. Why not simply graduate to larger type? I have one suggestion for a person who has vision problems or needs larger fonts to see well. It probably depends upon whether one has Windows or not but Win95/98 has a capability for those with a disability to increase the size of portions of the screen. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:18 PM Subject: CS>Re: Re: CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages > I can still read them though by highlighting the whole form and then > hitting "copy" (I do this while not being able to even see what is > highlighted), then I pull up a new email form, hit "paste" and it comes on > the new form with black type on a white background. After I read it I hit > delete. > As for the caps, I think that is being done to aid someone with poor > vision. Kathy, Thanks for the tip. However, since I spend too much time at the computer already, I don't have the patience or time to copy and paste. I am hoping the people who send messages like that will be willing to rectify the situation -- otherwise, my automatic delete function will take over. For my eyes, the capital letters don't help, they make seeing the message worse. Why not simply graduate to larger type? Perhaps the list manager can suggest ways in which we all can do this -- but not TOO much larger. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Re: CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages
Hello Nina Silver, Hey very nice name for this list! Anyway... may I add that I too get many of the incoming Silver-Digest's that can not be read because of a dark purple or black background. I did not think it is done purposely, but somehow in the transmission it turns dark. It was not happening for months and now the last few sendings are coming over that way again. I did not know others were also receiving their editions this way too. I can still read them though by highlighting the whole form and then hitting "copy" (I do this while not being able to even see what is highlighted), then I pull up a new email form, hit "paste" and it comes on the new form with black type on a white background. After I read it I hit delete. As for the caps, I think that is being done to aid someone with poor vision. Hope that helps. Love, Kathy In a message dated 6*5*00 10:36:57 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: << Nina Silver, Ph.D. wrote: > Dear People, > I am having a really hard time reading messages with: > a) black backgrounds > b) type in colors other than black > c) all capital letters. > > I delete such messages because my eyes can't handle them. > If you want me to read your messages, please make them legible. > > Thanks. > Nina > > -- >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #394
Hi all, RE:aspertame An interesting article under the heading of "Diet coke-Diet death" at: http://cat007.com/catalt.htm We are alternative research physicians in The Dominican Republic. We have just recently been examining CS. It is hard to separate the hype from the facts. Cheerio, Jon J. Brooks, M.D. - trustee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages
In a message dated 06/05/2000 12:51:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, n...@bestweb.net writes: << Dear People, I am having a really hard time reading messages with: a) black backgrounds b) type in colors other than black c) all capital letters. I delete such messages because my eyes can't handle them. If you want me to read your messages, please make them legible. >> Along these same linesit would be sooo helpful for us to "copy & paste" JUST (the few lines) that we are referring to in our reply post..not the entire post! The lines below are posted on another list and really say it all... *** NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THE WHOLE POSTING, BUT *** CUT/PASTE ONLY THOSE POSTING YOU REALLY REPLY TO. Several of you are allowing the whole post...including the headers to be attached in your new post! Then if I wish to save to files I'm not taking up a huge amount of space. And I do save quite a few for future referral. Many thanks! love and peace Kiasi -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>lyme-aid list
What is Bob Beck's 4 step protocol??? Marshall Dudley wrote: > Do they post about Bob Beck's 4 step protocol? All 4 can be much more > effective > than just one of the 4. > > Marshall > > helenw8...@aol.com wrote: > > > Marsha, I belong to the lyme-aid list that has over 200 members and about 20 > > messages a day lyme-...@egroups they post about CS also. Just signed up > > for sci.med.diseases.lyme. > > > > Thanks, Mary > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Ivan, I for one have appreciated your clear and concise input to this list over the while that I have subscribed and I have no hesitation in accepting all that you say without question...However, if you don't mind me asking-(as a very non-techie!), would you suggest that a small daily prophylactic dose of Cs be taken, particularly during the Flu season which has just started here in Aus? Due to a very severe dose of flu that I had last year, which I blame on a flu injection, I decided that I wouldn't have one this year! Your input would be appreciated here in light of your comments regarding point 5 below. Thanks, and keep posting-- Rob - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:52 PM Subject: Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS > In a message dated 00-06-04 23:35:49 EDT, you write: > > << Subj: Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS > Date: 00-06-04 23:35:49 EDT > From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Well, to be clear Roger, this is my view : > > 1.The best protection from pathogens and toxins is a healthy immune > system. > > 2. Silver is not an immune system booster but rather an adjunct to it. > > 3. Silver works by disabling pathogens so that they may not proliferate, > thus lessening the work required by the immune system to clear the > infection. > > 4. The metallothioneins which the body uses to chelate and eliminate > toxic metals are used to eliminate silver also. If high doses of silver > are present these proteins may not be able to eliminate toxic metals as > readily, and if overwhelmed, may result in the deposition of silver in > the tissue. > > 5. I would use silver in fairly large doses at the onset and throughout > the course of an infection, split into many small doses during the day, > and discontinue silver use once the infection has passed. > > 6. I would use silver as a preventative before eating suspect food, > close contact with infectious persons etc., and as a disinfective in the > kitchen (notably inside the refrigerator) and bathroom. > > Regards, > Ivan. >> > > Ivan: > > Thanks very much for you insight. I'm particularly interested in item (4) > which I will repeat, piece by piece, here. > > 4. "The metallothioneins which the body uses to chelate and eliminate > toxic metals are used to eliminate silver also." > > Can you provide a reference that supports this statement with regard to > colloidal silver? > > "If high doses of silver are present these proteins may not be able to > eliminate toxic metals as readily, and if overwhelmed, may result in the > deposition of silver in > the tissue." > > Proponents of colloidal silver have been telling us that it will not cause > Argyria at practically any level of concentration/ingestion rate. We have all > heard of individuals who continue to take massive quantities of it without > any negative effects. I myself took 2.3 mg per day for several months without > any noticeable impairment. So in light of these observations could you please > expand on your statement above? > > Thanks, > > Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages
Hi Nina, I AGEE 100 %. Also please stop using type smaller that 10 point. "OLD Ole BOB" Nina Silver, Ph.D. wrote: > Dear People, > I am having a really hard time reading messages with: > a) black backgrounds > b) type in colors other than black > c) all capital letters. > > I delete such messages because my eyes can't handle them. > If you want me to read your messages, please make them legible. > > Thanks. > Nina > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages
I agree. Dark on light. And maybe a bigger font too, just to make things easy. :) Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: Re: CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages > Nina, I agree. Print is meant to be read. The most readable print is dark > on light. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages
Nina, I agree. Print is meant to be read. The most readable print is dark on light. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>colored type and backgrounds in messages
Dear People, I am having a really hard time reading messages with: a) black backgrounds b) type in colors other than black c) all capital letters. I delete such messages because my eyes can't handle them. If you want me to read your messages, please make them legible. Thanks. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #393
came thru mail too dark to readeverything black!11 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>[Fwd: HVAC arc & CS]
Here it is. --- Begin Message --- Hi All you Responders; I will try to answer all of the questions on this go around. Both brew conditions the same except for arc electrode point not resharpened between brews. The DW was from Wal-Mart, Conductivity = 0 to 1 uS DW quantity 2 liters in a 4 1/2" cylinder 11" tall. about 2" of free board above water surface. Total wet surface 2" x 5-1/2" x .04" in several pieces. Voltage 12 kv sign transformer Brew time = 3 hours Definate ozone smell during and after brew. Lot #6022A Date 6/02/00 PPM = 15.4 ; Cond. =870 uS ; Temp at end of brew 90 deg. F.; T.E. very weak; Iac = 25.8 ma +/- .2 ma; no metallic taste slight acidic Lot #6032A Date 6/03/00 PPM = 17.6;Cond. = 1125 uS; Temp at end of brew 97 deg. F.; T.E. medium;Iac =24 ma +/- .2 ma; no metal taste but acidic Continuos mechanical stirring. This makes the T.E. uniform top to bottom during brew, rather than graded from strong to very weak at the bottom. There is one variable not accounted for and that is arc length. In both cases the arc was blue with a plasma around it, and there was tip melt back. "Ole Bob" --- End Message ---
RE: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Hi Ivan, If silver does not result in the rupture of the cell wall, how do the endotoxins get out to cause the Jarish-Herxheimer reaction? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS In a message dated 00-06-04 21:15:45 EDT, you write: << Hello Roger, As silver disables pathogens rather than destroying them, ie prevents their reproduction or ability process energy, the immune system (antibodies et al) is still required to latch onto and break the pathogenic cells apart and eliminate them. As I see it, silver stops or slows the proliferation of infectious agents (the cells of which may divide every 20mins) and allows the immune system to catch up to and clear the infection in a shorter time frame than otherwise would have occurred. Far better to be healthy and to have an efficient immune system, than to rely on silver to 'protect' you IMO, and only use silver when required. Ivan. >> Ivan: So based on your reasoning, taking large doses on CS (only at the onset of illness) would be a better strategy than just trying to take the minimum amount of CS under the same conditions since the body's own immune system is needed for the final elimination of these microbes. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New to List
Hi Jeannie, You should check out the symptoms and the problems caused by aspertame..also I fail to understand why more people with serious problems are not checking out the Bob Beck devices. .I think that by using the four protocols it's possible to cure any disease or problem..I built and use them and have had great success with them...The blood purifier and magnetic pulser togeather can do wonderful things for serious diseases ...all that is required is to use the devices until you are well...using Colloidal Silver also to prop up the immune system..It worked so well for me that I still find it hard to believe..and thank God for colloidal Silver..It keeps me in shape. A.Rose Marshall Dudley wrote: > check out http://dorway.com/ > > Marshall > > Jeannie wrote: > >> Alvin Thank you so much for the info I never knew about the >> aspartame thing although I have always been very suspicious >> of that and nutrasweet.Therefore, I dont take anything (at >> least consciously) with that in it and also dont let my kids >> have anything with those substances.But I will check that >> lead out ..thanks again. >> >> Jeannie >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Alvin Rose [mailto:ar...@nf.sympatico.ca] >> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 11:57 AM >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: CS>New to List >> >> Jeannie >> have you looked at the idea that you may have aspertame >> poisoning..I understand the symptoms are close to MS etc. >> Diet pepsi and coke and some artificial sweetners such as >> nutrasweet contain aspertame..said to be a very dangerous >> chemical which acumulates in areas of the body and is >> difficult to undo. >> There is information in the archives on this list. so with a >> little searching >> you can find it...Maybe Mike can tell you where it is. >> A.Rose >> >> Jeannie wrote: >> >> Im saying hello again, as I never got a response to my >> original post.What a way to greet a new poster.I would be >> nice if someone responded, even if it were to say they didnt >> know the answer. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Jeannie Kiefer [mailto:jean...@karlster.com] >> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 11:42 PM >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Subject: CS>New to List >> >> Hi to all... I just subscribed to this list because I found >> colloidal silver (again). A few years ago I was diagnosed >> with Lyme Disease, after spending 3 years being misdiagnosed >> and almost crippled. After finally receiving antibiotic >> therapy and my body not tolerating such after a couple of >> years, I turned to alternative medicine. Several homeopaths >> and nutritionists had told me about colloidal silver, so I >> began to do my own investigation on the limited literature >> available at the time. >> >> I found that it really helped me alot and after about a year, >> I fell off the wagon (so to speak) because I was feeling >> pretty good. About 8 months ago, I started slipping again >> into a stupor, double vision, trouble with speech and gait >> and once again started on the travails to find out what was >> wrong. >> >> It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. >> I guess my question right now is, if it is MS, will taking >> the Colloidal Silver hurt me in any way. Does anyone know >> anything about this? >> >> Thank you and good health to all of you, >> >> Jeannie >>
Re: CS>New to List
I'm saying hello again, as I never got a response to my original post. What a way to greet a new poster. I would be nice if someone responded, even if it were to say they didn't know the answer. Dear Jeannie, Hi! I learned that often the folks aren`t too busy on this thing on the weekends! Too busy doing other weekendy stuff! Anyway, welcome, and I hope the CS will help you as well as it did me! I don`t know about CS and MS. My sister has it, but she won`t take CS internally, just for a skin fungus, the idjit! Marsha
CS>Dysbiosis and CS?
Nicole Fraser said: Thank you but I have a milk allergy. ;0) goats milk. Nice to see you back Nicole! I recently stupidly let a Doc load me up with anti- biotics (for what turned out to be a yeast infection)and had to use pro-biotics to get back - The Sundown Brand at our local supermarket contains L. acidophilus, L. bulgaricus, S. thermophilus and B. bifidum! GNC has one with about 7 pro-biotics. f...@health2us.com
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
> 3. Silver works by disabling pathogens so that they may not proliferate, > thus lessening the work required by the immune system to clear the > infection. Also, what about the Silverlister who put some paramecia under a microscope and watched them pop as CS touched them? They weren`t just disabled! Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New to List
check out http://dorway.com/ Marshall Jeannie wrote: > Alvin Thank you so much for the info I never knew about the aspartame > thing although I have always been very suspicious of that and > nutrasweet.Therefore, I dont take anything (at least consciously) > with that in it and also dont let my kids have anything with those > substances.But I will check that lead out ..thanks again. > > Jeannie > > -Original Message- > From: Alvin Rose [mailto:ar...@nf.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 11:57 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>New to List > > Jeannie > have you looked at the idea that you may have aspertame > poisoning..I understand the symptoms are close to MS etc. > Diet pepsi and coke and some artificial sweetners such as > nutrasweet contain aspertame..said to be a very dangerous > chemical which acumulates in areas of the body and is difficult to > undo. > There is information in the archives on this list. so with a little > searching > you can find it...Maybe Mike can tell you where it is. > A.Rose > > Jeannie wrote: > > Im saying hello again, as I never got a response to my original > post.What a way to greet a new poster.I would be nice if someone > responded, even if it were to say they didnt know the answer. > > -Original Message- > From: Jeannie Kiefer [mailto:jean...@karlster.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 11:42 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>New to List > > Hi to all... I just subscribed to this list because I found colloidal > silver (again). A few years ago I was diagnosed with Lyme Disease, > after spending 3 years being misdiagnosed and almost crippled. After > finally receiving antibiotic therapy and my body not tolerating such > after a couple of years, I turned to alternative medicine. Several > homeopaths and nutritionists had told me about colloidal silver, so I > began to do my own investigation on the limited literature available > at the time. > > I found that it really helped me alot and after about a year, I fell > off the wagon (so to speak) because I was feeling pretty good. About > 8 months ago, I started slipping again into a stupor, double vision, > trouble with speech and gait and once again started on the travails to > find out what was wrong. > > It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I guess > my question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the Colloidal > Silver hurt me in any way. Does anyone know anything about this? > > Thank you and good health to all of you, > > Jeannie >
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Absolutely. If you catch it early enough you can get relief in minutes with CS. I have never had it fail. Marshall mama2b...@aol.com wrote: > Just had a report of food poisoning being cleared up in hours with CS. > Nothing else was taken except pain meds for the back. > > mama > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>New to List
Diane, Thanks for your responseA. Rose also brought up aspartame or nutrasweet as possible culprits...I have always tried to stay away from these additives; of course it's difficult sometimes when an entire society throws this stuff in without thought. However, I have developed severe food allergies, which can also have a very similar affect on one's immune system. I don't know if anyone else has run into this, but I'm going to try a Detox Diet. Maybe others have had similar things happen to them. Thanks again, Jeannie -Original Message- From: d.linen [mailto:li...@flash.net] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 12:56 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>New to List Welcome Jeannie, > Jeannie wrote: > Hi to all... I just subscribed to this list because I found colloidal > silver (again). A few years ago I was diagnosed with Lyme Disease, > after spending 3 years being misdiagnosed and almost crippled. After > finally receiving antibiotic therapy and my body not tolerating such > after a couple of years, I turned to alternative medicine. Several > homeopaths and nutritionists had told me about colloidal silver, so I > began to do my own investigation on the limited literature available > at the time. > > > > I found that it really helped me alot and after about a year, I fell > off the wagon (so to speak) because I was feeling pretty good. About > 8 months ago, I started slipping again into a stupor, double vision, > trouble with speech and gait and once again started on the travails to > find out what was wrong. I'm not familiar with symptoms of Lyme disease. Are these a part of the symptoms? > It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I guess > my question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the Colloidal > Silver hurt me in any way. Does anyone know anything about this? I don't think it will hurt you and it could help. There are many who take CS who also have Lyme Disease. I'd like to ask if in the past or even now have you ingested aspartame/Nutrasweet? We recently had a discussion about MS symptoms and aspartame. I'm sorry you didn't get answers to your questions. I'm glad you are here anyway because someone may have experienced similar problems as you have and may be able to be of help to you. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Ivan Anderson wrote: > Hello Roger, > > As silver disables pathogens rather than destroying them, ie prevents > their reproduction or ability process energy, the immune system > (antibodies et al) is still required to latch onto and break the > pathogenic cells apart and eliminate them. I believe that having a herx reaction is consistant with the outright destruction of pathogens, not interferring with just reproduction. Also the very rapid "curing" of such things as flu in an hour or two is consistant with the destruction of the pathogen. If you use Elderberry extract which has been shown to actually prevent reproduction, the time to recover is days, not hours. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>New to List
Thanks Liz...I'm in the same boat with my daughter as well (although I think she may have escaped any permanent or malingering damage - at least I hope) Yes, I have been inundated with posts, however, I am on a quest to find answers (as I'm sure we all are) where conventional medicine stops. I'm very thankful for sites like this because otherwise we would very much be in the dark. Thanks again, Jeannie -Original Message- From: lfzbiz...@aol.com [mailto:lfzbiz...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 6:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>New to List Hey, Jeannie! May you be inundated with posts, as I have! I have Lyme and so does my daughter, so feel free to e-mail me directly! lfzbiz...@aol.com Lynn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>New to List
Alvin Thank you so much for the info I never knew about the aspartame thing although I have always been very suspicious of that and nutrasweet. Therefore, I dont take anything (at least consciously) with that in it and also dont let my kids have anything with those substances. But I will check that lead out ..thanks again. Jeannie -Original Message- From: Alvin Rose [mailto:ar...@nf.sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 11:57 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>New to List Jeannie have you looked at the idea that you may have aspertame poisoning..I understand the symptoms are close to MS etc. Diet pepsi and coke and some artificial sweetners such as nutrasweet contain aspertame..said to be a very dangerous chemical which acumulates in areas of the body and is difficult to undo. There is information in the archives on this list. so with a little searching you can find it...Maybe Mike can tell you where it is. A.Rose Jeannie wrote: Im saying hello again, as I never got a response to my original post.What a way to greet a new poster.I would be nice if someone responded, even if it were to say they didnt know the answer. -Original Message- From: Jeannie Kiefer [ mailto:jean...@karlster.com] Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 11:42 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>New to List Hi to all... I just subscribed to this list because I found colloidal silver (again). A few years ago I was diagnosed with Lyme Disease, after spending 3 years being misdiagnosed and almost crippled. After finally receiving antibiotic therapy and my body not tolerating such after a couple of years, I turned to alternative medicine. Several homeopaths and nutritionists had told me about colloidal silver, so I began to do my own investigation on the limited literature available at the time. I found that it really helped me alot and after about a year, I fell off the wagon (so to speak) because I was feeling pretty good. About 8 months ago, I started slipping again into a stupor, double vision, trouble with speech and gait and once again started on the travails to find out what was wrong. It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I guess my question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the Colloidal Silver hurt me in any way. Does anyone know anything about this? Thank you and good health to all of you, Jeannie
RE: CS>New to List
Nina, Thank you so much for your reply...I really appreciate the info... especially about the viral possibility with MS and the reference to the book. Thanks again Jeannie -Original Message- From: Nina Silver, Ph.D. [mailto:n...@bestweb.net] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>New to List > -Original Message- > From: Jeannie Kiefer [mailto:jean...@karlster.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 11:42 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>New to List > It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I guess my > question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the Colloidal Silver hurt me > in any way. Does anyone know anything about this? > Jeannie Jeannie, Thank you for writing again. Since CS has a fabulous track record in being safe no matter what (provided it's made correctly), I can't imagine that it would hurt you even if you did have Multiple Sclerosis. However, even better, your question the second time jogged my memory and I remember reading theories stating that a viral infection in the spinal cord is implicated in MS -- so whether it's MS or Lyme's, it may not matter in some ways. Take CS and you'll likely improve, especially since you improved the first time. Dr. Donsbach has a book, by the way, on treating MS with nutrients and oils. You might want to check it out. Good luck. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>lyme-aid list
Do they post about Bob Beck's 4 step protocol? All 4 can be much more effective than just one of the 4. Marshall helenw8...@aol.com wrote: > Marsha, I belong to the lyme-aid list that has over 200 members and about 20 > messages a day lyme-...@egroups they post about CS also. Just signed up > for sci.med.diseases.lyme. > > Thanks, Mary > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>COULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FORMULA FOR AMPS PER SQ CM OR
In a message dated 00-06-05 10:45:06 EDT, you write: << That is interesting. In our HVAC process we are running 100 mA, and this produces 5 ppm in 5 gallons an hour. According to the figure above, we should have liberated 400 mg of silver (making 20 ppm of CS), so we are getting about 25% efficiency on generating the colloid. Marshall >> Marshall: I think if you compare the output of a typical HVAC setup to the type of LVDC set up recommended here, you will find a much lower output from HVAC. However, if you sputter silver off the electrode the output increases by at least two orders of magnitude. To calculate current density, divide your operating current by the wetted surface area of the silver electrodes. I don't think you'll find that the current density difference sheds much light on the difference in CS output between HVAC and LVDC. It probably has more to do with the high energy required to produce the smaller particle size from HVAC. Roger Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>COULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FORMULA FOR AMPS PER SQ CM OR
Ivan Anderson wrote: > Wayne, > > Unfortunately it is not as simple as that. > > Running a current of 1mA for 1hr will liberate 4mg of silver, and if > this is into 1L of water then that means 4ppm per hr. That is interesting. In our HVAC process we are running 100 mA, and this produces 5 ppm in 5 gallons an hour. According to the figure above, we should have liberated 400 mg of silver (making 20 ppm of CS), so we are getting about 25% efficiency on generating the colloid. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
In a message dated 00-06-05 09:21:37 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS Date: 00-06-05 09:21:37 EDT From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com http://bssv01.lancs.ac.uk/StuWork/BIOS316/Bios31698/Mthion/MET.HTM http://www.nal.usda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/09/46/094696.html http://lowdose.org/pubs/ehp/members/klaassenfull.html http://bssv01.lancs.ac.uk/StuWork/BIOS316/Bios31699/AgMet/AgMet.html http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/tox3-4.html http://link.springer.de/link/service/journals/00898/meeting/cant97/c2.ht m#xtocid12350 http://www.uwo.ca/chem/faculty/stillman.html - Original Message - From: > Ivan: > > Thanks very much for you insight. I'm particularly interested in item (4) > which I will repeat, piece by piece, here. > > 4. "The metallothioneins which the body uses to chelate and eliminate > toxic metals are used to eliminate silver also." > > Can you provide a reference that supports this statement with regard to > colloidal silver? > > "If high doses of silver are present these proteins may not be able to > eliminate toxic metals as readily, and if overwhelmed, may result in the > deposition of silver in > the tissue." > > Proponents of colloidal silver have been telling us that it will not cause > Argyria at practically any level of concentration/ingestion rate. We have all > heard of individuals who continue to take massive quantities of it without > any negative effects. I myself took 2.3 mg per day for several months without > any noticeable impairment. So in light of these observations could you please > expand on your statement above? > > Thanks, > > Roger Hi Roger, I believe the lowest reported dose that induced Argyria was 2g over 9 months, so taking CS is unlikely to cause this. Here are some links to papers discussing the role of metallothioneins : http://bssv01.lancs.ac.uk/StuWork/BIOS316/Bios31698/Mthion/MET.HTM http://www.nal.usda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/09/46/094696.html http://lowdose.org/pubs/ehp/members/klaassenfull.html http://bssv01.lancs.ac.uk/StuWork/BIOS316/Bios31699/AgMet/AgMet.html http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/tox3-4.html http://link.springer.de/link/service/journals/00898/meeting/cant97/c2.ht m#xtocid12350 http://www.uwo.ca/chem/faculty/stillman.html Good night, Ivan. >> Ivan: Many thanks: Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
That reminds me of my problem with CS. I woke up one morning with what I thought was food poisoning, took 8oz of 5ppm, waited 3 hours, took another 8oz of 5ppm, waited 3 more hours, no more food poisoning! That really doesn't sound like a problem now, does it. I guess it's not, as far as the CS working, but it worked so fast that I didn't have a chance to actually be diagnosed with food poisoning! Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 6:24 AM Subject: Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS > Just had a report of food poisoning being cleared up in hours with CS. > Nothing else was taken except pain meds for the back. > > mama > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Just had a report of food poisoning being cleared up in hours with CS. Nothing else was taken except pain meds for the back. mama -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
http://bssv01.lancs.ac.uk/StuWork/BIOS316/Bios31698/Mthion/MET.HTM http://www.nal.usda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/09/46/094696.html http://lowdose.org/pubs/ehp/members/klaassenfull.html http://bssv01.lancs.ac.uk/StuWork/BIOS316/Bios31699/AgMet/AgMet.html http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/tox3-4.html http://link.springer.de/link/service/journals/00898/meeting/cant97/c2.ht m#xtocid12350 http://www.uwo.ca/chem/faculty/stillman.html - Original Message - From: > Ivan: > > Thanks very much for you insight. I'm particularly interested in item (4) > which I will repeat, piece by piece, here. > > 4. "The metallothioneins which the body uses to chelate and eliminate > toxic metals are used to eliminate silver also." > > Can you provide a reference that supports this statement with regard to > colloidal silver? > > "If high doses of silver are present these proteins may not be able to > eliminate toxic metals as readily, and if overwhelmed, may result in the > deposition of silver in > the tissue." > > Proponents of colloidal silver have been telling us that it will not cause > Argyria at practically any level of concentration/ingestion rate. We have all > heard of individuals who continue to take massive quantities of it without > any negative effects. I myself took 2.3 mg per day for several months without > any noticeable impairment. So in light of these observations could you please > expand on your statement above? > > Thanks, > > Roger Hi Roger, I believe the lowest reported dose that induced Argyria was 2g over 9 months, so taking CS is unlikely to cause this. Here are some links to papers discussing the role of metallothioneins : http://bssv01.lancs.ac.uk/StuWork/BIOS316/Bios31698/Mthion/MET.HTM http://www.nal.usda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/09/46/094696.html http://lowdose.org/pubs/ehp/members/klaassenfull.html http://bssv01.lancs.ac.uk/StuWork/BIOS316/Bios31699/AgMet/AgMet.html http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/tox3-4.html http://link.springer.de/link/service/journals/00898/meeting/cant97/c2.ht m#xtocid12350 http://www.uwo.ca/chem/faculty/stillman.html Good night, Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>PPM, Lyme
" Parts per million" brings up a somewhat misleading image. If you placed a dime [approximately one gram of silver] into a million cubic centimeters of water [one cubic centimeter or one milliliter of water weighs one gram]...you would have one PPM. If that dime were ground up into a gazillion pieces, it would still be one PPM. The size and weight of any given 'part' is irrelevant. The term refers to a total relative weight relationship...not parts, defined as 'pieces'. KD'C At 08:39 PM 6/4/00 -0700, you wrote: > Hi all. 2 questions. One very basic...what does parts per million actually > mean? And, for example, is 18 ppm smaller or larger particles of silver than > 5 for example? Also, what do you think of 5 ppm for lyme? > > Thanks, > > Christy Dear Christy, It means so many parts of silver per parts of distilled water; 18 PPM is 18 parts of silver to a million parts of water. 5 PPM in my opinion isn`t enough. You have to have enough to go all over the body, nailing the nasty little bugs... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood store prices? Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator. http://www.silverpuppy.com
Re: CS> HVAC
In a message dated 00-06-05 01:14:27 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: CS> HVAC Date: 00-06-05 01:14:27 EDT From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com - Original Message - From: > Ivan: > > You said, > > "If one strikes an arc in moist air (as found above a body of water), > ozone and nitric acid are formed." > > During sputtering I smell virtually no ozone. I am interested in your idea > about nitric acid though. I may submit a sample for analysis. But before I > do, I'd like you to tell me the difference in taste between my HVAC CS with a > pH of 4 or so, and a sample of laboratory grade nitric acid made to pH ~4. If > you agree to a taste test, I'll submit my HVAC CS for nitric acid analysis. The fact that you have generated an arc necessarily means that you have ionised the air. This can be achieved by as little as 50 V. By ionising air you are creating ozone. Whether you can smell it or not is not a reliable guage of its production or concentration. It is a fact that the biggest problem that faces ozone generators using undried atmospheric air is the production of nitric acid. I have no desire to experience the taste of dilute nitric acid :-b Whether you test for nitric acid is up to you. IVAN: WELL YOU PEAKED MY CURIOSITY TO ANALYZE MY HVAC CS FOR NITRIC ACID. > Then you said, > > "If you use silver electrodes the silver will be sputtered as silver ions and > silver oxide." > > I'm afraid I'll have to disagree here as well. It can be demonstrated quite > easily that silver oxide is unstable at sputtering temperatures. As far a > producing silver ions in the arc goes, I have not run across any evidence > that an electropotential that is barely high enough to ionize air, is > anywhere near the electropotential required to ionize silver. If you have > some data that confirms the production of silver ions at ~10,000 volts please > pass it along. The 1st ionization potential of silver (7.576 eV) is less than that of oxygen (13.618 eV). IVAN: DO YOU HAVE A REFERENCE THAT DEMONSTRATES THE PRODUCTION OF METAL IONS FROM A 10,000 VOLT ARC? Yes, silver oxide is unstable at >150 degC, but the silver oxide which contacts the water is from then on stable. IVAN: THE RAPID QUENCHING THAT TAKES PLACE WILL VIRTUALLY ELIMINATE THE PRODUCTION OF SILVER OXIDE. Furthermore, "The pH of silver colloids should fall between 6.5 and 8 because increasing amounts of silver oxide will appear as the pH of the solution falls below 6.5 and silver oxide is a less effective bactericide than pure silver." (The Silver Institute). > And finally you said, > > "The ozone will most likely become H2O2 where it reacts with water,..." > > Oh boy, I know I'm on thin ice now, but I'm not likely to agree with you here > as well. I sampled a very small amount of 3% H2O2 in my mouth a few weeks > ago. A very ugly experience. Again, my HVAC CS tastes a lot like water. So > how much H2O2 could I have made, particularly when I never smelled any ozone > in the first place? I don't know Roger. I answered Bob's question about what might be causing such a high conductivity reading with a comparatively low silver content. Something is also causing the low pH (assuming he started with ~pH7 water), I suggest that H2O2 and nitric acid may be contributing factors. IVAN: ANALYZING FOR NITRIC ACID SHOULD BE A GOOD FIRST STEP IN SOLVING THE PUZZLE. THANKS. ROGER BTW, I regularly use 3% H2O2 to clean my teeth ;-) > Roger Regards, Ivan >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
## To clear up the plateout issue. Plateout is possible even if the electrodes don't touch the glass. When a generator is run without using any stirring mechanism, be it mechanical or thermal, small amounts of oxides and so on become deposited on the bottom. This fallout follows a conductive pathway that is continually becoming established between the electrodes. As the generator runs and deposits more and more, this conductive pathway along the glass bottom 'grabs' more of the current. As the concentration of silver increases..while following this path, it has less tendency to stay suspended in the water and more tendency to want to plate onto the other electrode, BUT, it is now seeing the other electrode as this conductive pathway. To prevent this from happening, simply interrupt the path now and then by gentle stirring [thermal or mechanical] or moving the electrodes around a few degrees every few minutes. Plate out hasn't been much of a problem at concentrations under 12 PPM and almost never happens when using warm water [it cools, producing thermal currents], warming the water while in process [thermal currents disrupt the ion path] or stirring the water in process.[ion path disrupted mechanically] The one thing to not do is to stir the CS after it is done and before decanting into another container...that is...after deposits have formed. I am coming to believe that stirring hydrates the silver ions, thus protecting them from the presence of oxygen, preventing significant formation of oxides in the first place. Have I understood this properly? Testing bears out the result. Could vigorously stirring the CS in a clean container before storing prevent clear CS from turning yellow after several hours or days? Ken 02:50 PM 6/4/00 -0700, you wrote: I use a vision ware pot and the electrodes touch the bottom, I have used this same pot for the past four years, the meter I use for testing PPM shows between 4 to 6 PPM each time, so I cannot agree with the following statement. Blessings Ted Trem wrote: > Hi List, > > There can be a downside to letting electrodes touch the glass. It can > plate out onto the glass and the next time you use the vessel, the plating > can allow some of the current to flow from the electrodes to the plated > portions which will then provide a current path and that will reduce the > current flow between the electrodes. The result is you won't get as strong > CS as you had thought. Best to clean the plating off the glass before > using the vessel again or use a new one every once in a while. > > You can clean the plating off your vessel with 3% hydrogen peroxide. > > Trem > www.silvergen.com > > At 01:50 PM 6/4/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Nina Silver, Ph.D." > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:51 AM > >Subject: Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom > > > > > > > > > > People, > > > No one has yet answered WHY it is necessary to prevent the electrodes from > > > touching the sides or the bottom. To reiterate, My electrodes touch the > > > sides of the pyrex glass container in which I make my CS, and the silver > > > comes out just fine. > > > > > > Nina > >] > > There is, or should be no effect from electrodes touching the bottom of the > >container as long as > > the container is glass or plastic and is non-conductive. With your pyrex > >container, it is totally > > a non-issue! > > > >BillB > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood store prices? Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator. http://www.silverpuppy.com
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
In a message dated 00-06-04 23:35:49 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS Date: 00-06-04 23:35:49 EDT From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Well, to be clear Roger, this is my view : 1.The best protection from pathogens and toxins is a healthy immune system. 2. Silver is not an immune system booster but rather an adjunct to it. 3. Silver works by disabling pathogens so that they may not proliferate, thus lessening the work required by the immune system to clear the infection. 4. The metallothioneins which the body uses to chelate and eliminate toxic metals are used to eliminate silver also. If high doses of silver are present these proteins may not be able to eliminate toxic metals as readily, and if overwhelmed, may result in the deposition of silver in the tissue. 5. I would use silver in fairly large doses at the onset and throughout the course of an infection, split into many small doses during the day, and discontinue silver use once the infection has passed. 6. I would use silver as a preventative before eating suspect food, close contact with infectious persons etc., and as a disinfective in the kitchen (notably inside the refrigerator) and bathroom. Regards, Ivan. >> Ivan: Thanks very much for you insight. I'm particularly interested in item (4) which I will repeat, piece by piece, here. 4. "The metallothioneins which the body uses to chelate and eliminate toxic metals are used to eliminate silver also." Can you provide a reference that supports this statement with regard to colloidal silver? "If high doses of silver are present these proteins may not be able to eliminate toxic metals as readily, and if overwhelmed, may result in the deposition of silver in the tissue." Proponents of colloidal silver have been telling us that it will not cause Argyria at practically any level of concentration/ingestion rate. We have all heard of individuals who continue to take massive quantities of it without any negative effects. I myself took 2.3 mg per day for several months without any noticeable impairment. So in light of these observations could you please expand on your statement above? Thanks, Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> HVAC
Hi Bob, Would you mind telling me a few things? I am interested in : 1. The quantity of DW used for the run 2. The voltage 3. The size of the submersed electrode I make approx 12 PPM using 1 gal DW, 15,000v, submerged electrode size 1 1/2"x 1" x18 ga, 3 hrs run time, arc electrode is a pointed wedge shape approx 3/16" above the water. The end PH is about 4, crystal clear with a very weak TE, Slight ozone smell during production, and a fairly strong metallic taste. Could the residual ozone could be turning the paper brown? Billvan At 17:47 6/4/00 -0500, you wrote: Good Evening Roger; Just queery about HVAC cs. I made some using the arc method and had a 17.6 ppm and a conductance of 1125 in 3 hours! The pH is about 4, and when I sniffed the containor is smelled like nitric acid. I covered the container with a white paper table napkin and in about 3 hours the portion over the CS had taken on a light brown color. The CS is crystal clear with a very weak T.E. What do I have??? "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New to List-Aspartame
- Original Message - From: "Alvin Rose" To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: Re: CS>New to List > Jeannie > have you looked at the idea that you may have aspertame > poisoning..I understand the symptoms are close to MS etc. > Diet pepsi and coke and some artificial sweetners such as > nutrasweet contain aspertame..said to be a very dangerous > chemical which acumulates in areas of the body and is difficult > to undo. > There is information in the archives on this list. so with a > little searching > you can find it...Maybe Mike can tell you where it is. > A.Rose Look on the web for MISSION POSSIBLE. It has tons of documentation. --Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New to List
Jeannie have you looked at the idea that you may have aspertame poisoning..I understand the symptoms are close to MS etc. Diet pepsi and coke and some artificial sweetners such as nutrasweet contain aspertame..said to be a very dangerous chemical which acumulates in areas of the body and is difficult to undo. There is information in the archives on this list. so with a little searching you can find it...Maybe Mike can tell you where it is. A.Rose Jeannie wrote: > Im saying hello again, as I never got a response to my > original post.What a way to greet a new poster.I would be nice > if someone responded, even if it were to say they didnt know > the answer. > > -Original Message- > From: Jeannie Kiefer [mailto:jean...@karlster.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 11:42 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>New to List > > Hi to all... I just subscribed to this list because I found > colloidal silver (again). A few years ago I was diagnosed with > Lyme Disease, after spending 3 years being misdiagnosed and > almost crippled. After finally receiving antibiotic therapy > and my body not tolerating such after a couple of years, I > turned to alternative medicine. Several homeopaths and > nutritionists had told me about colloidal silver, so I began to > do my own investigation on the limited literature available at > the time. > > I found that it really helped me alot and after about a year, I > fell off the wagon (so to speak) because I was feeling pretty > good. About 8 months ago, I started slipping again into a > stupor, double vision, trouble with speech and gait and once > again started on the travails to find out what was wrong. > > It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I > guess my question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the > Colloidal Silver hurt me in any way. Does anyone know anything > about this? > > Thank you and good health to all of you, > > Jeannie >
Re: CS>New to List
> -Original Message- > From: Jeannie Kiefer [mailto:jean...@karlster.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 11:42 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>New to List > It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I guess my > question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the Colloidal Silver hurt me > in any way. Does anyone know anything about this? > Jeannie Jeannie, Thank you for writing again. Since CS has a fabulous track record in being safe no matter what (provided it's made correctly), I can't imagine that it would hurt you even if you did have Multiple Sclerosis. However, even better, your question the second time jogged my memory and I remember reading theories stating that a viral infection in the spinal cord is implicated in MS -- so whether it's MS or Lyme's, it may not matter in some ways. Take CS and you'll likely improve, especially since you improved the first time. Dr. Donsbach has a book, by the way, on treating MS with nutrients and oils. You might want to check it out. Good luck. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Hi Ivan My understanding of Colloidal Silver is that it disables the pathogen's breathing mechanism or chemical lung thus killing them in 7 minutes or so on contact..They are still in the blood but killed and have to be removed by the immune system..Is your theory different from this. also Wayne Mosley claims he learned that Silver can poison the liver and kidneys if vitamin E is not present. Have you heard of this..It would be interesting to learn where he got this info..He didn't reply to my email on this one. Wayne would you tell us where we can find it. Arose Ivan Anderson wrote: > Well, to be clear Roger, this is my view : > > 1.The best protection from pathogens and toxins is a healthy immune > system. > > 2. Silver is not an immune system booster but rather an adjunct to it. > > 3. Silver works by disabling pathogens so that they may not proliferate, > thus lessening the work required by the immune system to clear the > infection. > > 4. The metallothioneins which the body uses to chelate and eliminate > toxic metals are used to eliminate silver also. If high doses of silver > are present these proteins may not be able to eliminate toxic metals as > readily, and if overwhelmed, may result in the deposition of silver in > the tissue. > > 5. I would use silver in fairly large doses at the onset and throughout > the course of an infection, split into many small doses during the day, > and discontinue silver use once the infection has passed. > > 6. I would use silver as a preventative before eating suspect food, > close contact with infectious persons etc., and as a disinfective in the > kitchen (notably inside the refrigerator) and bathroom. > > Regards, > Ivan. > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, 5 June 2000 14:07 > Subject: Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS > > > In a message dated 00-06-04 21:15:45 EDT, you write: > > > > << Hello Roger, > > > > As silver disables pathogens rather than destroying them, ie prevents > > their reproduction or ability process energy, the immune system > > (antibodies et al) is still required to latch onto and break the > > pathogenic cells apart and eliminate them. > > > > As I see it, silver stops or slows the proliferation of infectious > > agents (the cells of which may divide every 20mins) and allows the > > immune system to catch up to and clear the infection in a shorter > time > > frame than otherwise would have occurred. > > > > Far better to be healthy and to have an efficient immune system, than > to > > rely on silver to 'protect' you IMO, and only use silver when > required. > > > > Ivan. > > >> > > > > Ivan: > > > > So based on your reasoning, taking large doses on CS (only at the > onset of > > illness) would be a better strategy than just trying to take the > minimum > > amount of CS under the same conditions since the body's own immune > system is > > needed for the final elimination of these microbes. > > > > Roger > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>New to List
Hey, Jeannie! May you be inundated with posts, as I have! I have Lyme and so does my daughter, so feel free to e-mail me directly! lfzbiz...@aol.com Lynn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS, Lyme List versus Marsh AND MY ANSWER RE: SILVER TOXICITY
HI, I FOUND THE INFO ON MEDLINE / PUBMED. YOU CAN GET THERE BY DOING A SEARCH ON YAHOO ETC. FOR THE TERMS "FREE MEDLINE" AND GO TO NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH LIBRARY OF MEDICINE ... EITHER PUBMED (WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO DO INDIVIDUAL SEARCHES AND THEN SEND THEM VIA EMAIL WITHOUT SAVING THEM) OR INTERNET GRATEFUL MED. THE SEARCH PAGES ON GRATEFUL MED TIME OUT AND CAN'T BE FORWARDED AT ALL. NEITHER CAN PUB MEDS IF YOU DO MULTIPLE SEARCHES AT ONCE. YOU MUST CUT N PASTE THEN AND MY DARN WEBTV DOESN'T HAVE MUCH MEMORY... ANYWAYS DO A SEARCH OF YOUR OWN. EMAIL ME PERSONALLY IF YOU LIKE IF YOU FIND MORE STUFF. I CAN'T STAY ON THIS LIST LONG AS I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO READ "ALL" THE EMAILS BECAUSE I SUBSCRIBE TO MANY LISTS AND HAVE MY OWN TO BOOT ON ALTERNATIVE HEALTH ETC... I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP HERE. I DID DISCOVER THAT THOUGH SILVER BINDS WITH SELENIUM (WHICH IS BAD UNLESS YOU HAVE TOO MUCH) BECAUSE THAT IS NEEDED TO PRODUCE GLUTATHIONE PEROXIDASE. I ALSO FOUND OUT THAT IT BINDS WITH COPPER AGAIN WHICH IS GOOD/BAD. GOOD IN THAT IF YOU GET TOO MUCH THEN COPPER WILL NEUTRALIZE THE TOXIC EFFECTS BUT IT STILL GOES TO THE LIVER ETC... BUT THE FACT THAT ANIMALS FED WITH VITAMIN E AND SILVER REPORTED NO CARCINOID GROWTHS ETC... SO THAT IS GREAT. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE STUDIES. I WILL KEEP LOOKING WHEN I CAN. TAKE YOUR VITAMINE E GUYS N GALS. TAKE CARE I'M GONNA UNSUBSCRIBE FOR A FEW WEEKS SINCE I HAVE TO LEAVE. KEEP ME POSTED.. THANKS AGAIN... WAYNE realw...@webtv.net RealWort's Instant Pager
