RE: CS>Soy

[Ruth Bertella]

Hi PT,

 

Thanks to you, and everyone else that responded as well, for your responses!!   
I know she was tested for ‘some’ food intolerances, because the mother said the 
3 yr. old was allergic to milk, peanuts, maybe flour, dust, dogs, and a LOT of 
other things.  I’m forwarding everyone’s responses to her (minus your 
email/contact info), so hopefully this will give her a good start on things to 
watch out for and websites to research to increase her knowledge about soy in 
particular, and allergies in general.  If she asks me any questions, you can be 
sure I will forward them on to y’all.

 

Thanks again!

Ruth

 

 

From: PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Soy

 

Hi Ruth,

Do you know if she was tested for food intolerances as well?  These would be 
substances that would show a reaction several days after ingesting.  You can 
find out more at the website of Alcat Labs.  She will need to stay away from 
those foods for a period of time and then be retested to see where she stands.  
I needed to stay away for 1 year (and it wasn't easy) but the number of foods I 
was intolerant of dropped dramatically after a year.  The other thing she needs 
to do is rotate foods so she doesn't eat the same thing 2 or 3 days running.  
The best is to wait 4 days and eat the food again on the 5th.

 

You are correct that wheat and soy are two very allergic foods.  Of the 
possible soy preparations, according to my research, the ones that are best are 
the ones that Orientals eat.  Real tofu along with tempeh and other kinds of 
fermented soy products.  The way westerners use soy is a problem, seemingly.  
Also, as a food it should be rotated.  Because of all the hormone issues with 
soy I would be doubly careful about giving it to a young child.

 

Good luck to your friend and her daughter.

PT

 

  _  

From: Ruth Bertella 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 11:05:10 AM
Subject: CS>Soy

I spoke briefly with a family friend and found out her 3 year old daughter was 
recently diagnosed with numerous allergies (too many to name here or that I can 
remember).  I asked what she was NOT allergic to, to which she said Wheat and 
Soy.  I found it strange since I thought wheat allergies were the most common, 
but that’s what she said.  I promised to ask all you knowledgeable people on my 
health forums, so some of you may see this multiple times as I’m sending this 
to a few different forums.

 

My question relates to Soy products.  I know there are good and bad soy 
products, but haven’t kept the posts I’ve seen from time to time on all my 
forums since I didn’t have a need for that info, and was concerned that she 
might start introducing the bad types to the poor child.  I have no experience 
or knowledge of how to deal with allergies.   Could y’all let me know what 
types of soy are good and bad, and maybe if there is something specific to look 
for on packages?  I guess she’d need to know any and all helpful hints you 
could relate about dealing with allergies overall.

 

Thanks in advance for your usual wonderful suggestions!!

 

Ruth

Re: CS>Soy

[jaxi]

Sounds odd to me as well.  Wheat and Soy are two of the biggest culprits
usually.

As for good versus bad soy.  "good" soy is generally fermented.  American's
altered the use of soy considerably from how it has been used in Asian
countires for generations.  So my understanding is things like soy milk and
tofu and "bad" soy options.

Jaxi

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Ruth Bertella wrote:

>  I spoke briefly with a family friend and found out her 3 year old
> daughter was recently diagnosed with numerous allergies (too many to name
> here or that I can remember).  I asked what she was NOT allergic to, to
> which she said Wheat and Soy.  I found it strange since I thought wheat
> allergies were the most common, but that’s what she said.  I promised to ask
> all you knowledgeable people on my health forums, so some of you may see
> this multiple times as I’m sending this to a few different forums.
>
>
>
> My question relates to Soy products.  I know there are good and bad soy
> products, but haven’t kept the posts I’ve seen from time to time on all my
> forums since I didn’t have a need for that info, and was concerned that she
> might start introducing the bad types to the poor child.  I have no
> experience or knowledge of how to deal with allergies.   Could y’all let me
> know what types of soy are good and bad, and maybe if there is something
> specific to look for on packages?  I guess she’d need to know any and all
> helpful hints you could relate about dealing with allergies overall.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your usual wonderful suggestions!!
>
>
>
> Ruth
>

Re: CS>Soy

[PT Ferrance]

Hi Ruth,
Do you know if she was tested for food intolerances as well?  These would be 
substances that would show a reaction several days after ingesting.  You can 
find out more at the website of Alcat Labs.  She will need to stay away from 
those foods for a period of time and then be retested to see where she stands.  
I needed to stay away for 1 year (and it wasn't easy) but the number of foods I 
was intolerant of dropped dramatically after a year.  The other thing she needs 
to do is rotate foods so she doesn't eat the same thing 2 or 3 days running.  
The best is to wait 4 days and eat the food again on the 5th.

You are correct that wheat and soy are two very allergic foods.  Of the 
possible 
soy preparations, according to my research, the ones that are best are the ones 
that Orientals eat.  Real tofu along with tempeh and other kinds of fermented 
soy products.  The way westerners use soy is a problem, seemingly.  Also, as a 
food it should be rotated.  Because of all the hormone issues with soy I would 
be doubly careful about giving it to a young child.

Good luck to your friend and her daughter.
PT





From: Ruth Bertella 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 11:05:10 AM
Subject: CS>Soy


I spoke briefly with a family friend and found out her 3 year old daughter was 
recently diagnosed with numerous allergies (too many to name here or that I can 
remember).  I asked what she was NOT allergic to, to which she said Wheat and 
Soy.  I found it strange since I thought wheat allergies were the most common, 
but that’s what she said.  I promised to ask all you knowledgeable people on my 
health forums, so some of you may see this multiple times as I’m sending this 
to 
a few different forums.
 
My question relates to Soy products.  I know there are good and bad soy 
products, but haven’t kept the posts I’ve seen from time to time on all my 
forums since I didn’t have a need for that info, and was concerned that she 
might start introducing the bad types to the poor child.  I have no experience 
or knowledge of how to deal with allergies.   Could y’all let me know what 
types 
of soy are good and bad, and maybe if there is something specific to look for 
on 
packages?  I guess she’d need to know any and all helpful hints you could 
relate 
about dealing with allergies overall.
 
Thanks in advance for your usual wonderful suggestions!!
 
Ruth

Re: CS>soy lecithin

[Annie B Smythe]

Naw Dee, I take 3 tablespoons a day, no problems:)

Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

has anyone ever had a bad effect from this?  thanksdee


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Re: CS>Soy

[Indi]

No. But nearly everything you buy at your local supermarket is either GMO or
was fed GMOs. And even if it's non-GMO odds are it was sprayed with poison.
Support organic farmers if you really want to say "no thank you" to poisons
and GMOs.

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> Hi,
> 
> Just a question here.  Isn't all soy GM (genetically modified), now?
> 
> If so, no thank you!
> 
> Jean
> 
> 
> > 
> >> The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy
> >> and meat
> >> industries, and their scapegoating of soy pretty much amounts to a
> >> disinformation
> >> campaign. > 
> 
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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[faith gagne]

That looks like a beautiful site.  Havent had time to read it yet, but I 
will read it.  Thanks.  Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: "Dave" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World



Try this one: It really tells how good for you Soy is  and why.
http://www.drwong.us/ArchivedHealthArticles.htm


Dee wrote:


Very good site and endorsing what I said, I believe.  Dee


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From: Ronald (& Susan) Hart
Date: 22/01/2008 18:59:13
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

One of the best collections of information I've seen on Soy.

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/


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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Dee,

You did like Day, ..
Put the quoted text at the distant bottom, ... worthless for sure

At 07:47 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote:

http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-14.html 
maybe you should read this article Wayne.  Dee


>>I wonder where you people get all this bogus and untruthful information?

  So, Now I know where you get it.

  I did read most of the article and scanned the rest.

It is mostly about Frauds of the Food Industry.

I guess the Genius Doctor that wrote it, like you and others, believes all 
the cholesterol fraud and crap.  It mentioned that too much.


If you want to bet your life on one article, go ahead.

The whole article is intermixed with main stream ideas, half truths,
and suggestions that people eat too much soy.  Nothing of value to most of us.

I have always said, .. Soy as the main source of protein is a 
disaster, as are other sources.


Dig deep in proteins and amino acids, and you will find,

Milk beats all others, in many tests, .. hands down, not question 
about it.


I used to drink a gallon of milk per day, 6 raw eggs,  all the soy protein 
I wanted,  desiccated liver,   REAL cooked liver, and steaks so big they 
covered a platter and hung off on some sides.


So, .. tell me all about protein and amino acids.

I can't be sure, but I think your body chemistry is highly compromised.
So, .. you likely do not need to eat soy,  and 1000 other things.

Again, along with me, 1,000,000 ( or several million ) more healthy people 
have eaten tons of soy,  usually as supplements, NOT as the main protein 
source.


Anyone is a fool that has used soy or any other single food as the
only protein source.

Wayne

Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dave]

Try this one: It really tells how good for you Soy is  and why.
http://www.drwong.us/ArchivedHealthArticles.htm


Dee wrote:

Very good site and endorsing what I said, I believe.  Dee  




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From: Ronald (& Susan) Hart 

Date: 22/01/2008 18:59:13 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World 




One of the best collections of information I've seen on Soy. 




http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ 





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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dave]

The page I wanted didn't show so ---in the one that did
Look near the bottom of the page for the article
Dave

Dee wrote:

Very good site and endorsing what I said, I believe.  Dee  




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From: Ronald (& Susan) Hart 

Date: 22/01/2008 18:59:13 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World 




One of the best collections of information I've seen on Soy. 




http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ 





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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Kirsteen,

>> At 08:21 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote:
I agree with Dee, the argument it hasn't harmed me therefore it must be 
all right is totally spurious. After all my great grandfather survived the 
trenches in WWI but I wouldn't use that as a recommedation for them


  Thanks for the laugh.

  I survived wading around with snakes and alligators in the swamps !

  So,  you won't try that either ?

  I might not, if I had it to do over.

  So, we do not know if it is "young and fearless"
or .  Stupid ?   Maybe both.


  Another one  of my original statements you can ponder...

"The greatest advantage of being healthy is that you can eat anything you 
want,  anytime you want to do it"


I used to pick up food off the floor and eat it, to test my immune system.

I did it in the health food store just last week.

What is in a little ole germ, bacteria, or virus ?  The body can kill all 
of them.


Something else few people know,
The body can kill virtually all food poisoning. It does not have a chance.

Give the body some real work once in a while. It might amaze you.   

Wayne

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RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dan Nave]

Morning Wayne,

While I don't agree with the negative comments on soy by the poster, I
believe it is correct to say that whole soybeans should not be eaten
raw.  Raw soybeans contain a substance called trypsin inhibitor which is
detrimental to digestion and health.  The trypsin inhibitor is
deactivated by an appropriate amount of heat, cooking.  You may get by
without ill effects by eating a small quantity raw, but I don't know how
much that would be.  Most (all) soy products use processes that remove
this problem.  Cook your soybeans well before eating.

As far as soybeans reducing the uptake of iodine, that is similar to
cabbage family vegetables.  A person just need to take a bit more iodine
in the diet.  Most are not talking about the poisonous/toxic nature of
cabbages...

Dan

> -Original Message-
> From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:12 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World
> 
> Morning Nancy,
> 
>  >> At 01:07 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote:
> >Thanks for the input, Sol.  That would confirm my opinion of 
> soy as a 
> >thyroid toxin, etc.
> 
>   You should have said,  "Too much soy" , ..  and
> "soy as the only protein source",and  then ..
> 
> As I always say, ..
> 
> "Are you talking about sick people or healthy people" ?
> 
> Dee wrote ...
> Soya is very harmful to the body except in the fermented or 
> sprouted form.
> Dee
> =
> 
> I wonder where you people get all this bogus and untruthful 
> information?
> 
> And I don't even have to do any research or read anything.  I 
> have eaten Soy Protein for 50 years, including growing them 
> in my garden to cook and eat raw.
> 
> I make a drink with only soy powder, milk, and black strap molasses.
> Figure the nutrition in that  !  Energy, Minerals, and 
> Vitamins, not to mention some protein.  Add a raw egg or two 
> and then check the mileage.
> Fantastic to say the least.
> 
> Again,
>  >> Soya is very harmful to the body except in the fermented 
> or  >> sprouted form.
> 
> If you said,  "Sick People" or "Diseased People", it might be 
> true, but only with highly compromised body chemistry.
> 
> I know many on all the lists are sick.  Half way healthy 
> people have other things to do.
> 
> Everyone must learn to use some conditional statements, If 
> Maybe Sometimes In some cases Under certain conditions, and on and on.
> 
> However, to make statements suggesting that something is true 
> 100 % of the time,  that is bad news.
> 
> It concerns and worries me.
> 
> It is getting so that most of the lists are like the TV, 
> Newspapers, and the mainstream, .. filled with half 
> truths and things that are DEAD WRONG.
> 
> In addition,..  People that damn the mainstream 
> will turn right back around and Quote article after article 
> of false, bogus studies, some of which caused criminal 
> charges to be files, ... and quote these as
> 
> "Truth, Etched in Stone."
> 
> Please, .. everyone, .  Continue Searching 
> for Truth, if any exists any more.
> 
> I read many things, I never put them in the Truth Memory or 
> the Lie Memory.
> 
> After many years, I thought of the name for my small list, 
> "News, Truth, and Lies".  It is the most descriptive I can think of.
> 
> Finally, millions of wild animals  PIG OUT on Soybeans.
> They get large, fat, healthy and strong from soybeans.
> 
> Some people go for years not eating complete proteins or 
> balancing the amino acids.
> 
> Watch for my comments on Amino Acids.  that will really muddy 
> up the water 
> and "Your Mind".   But, you will have a hard time disproving 
> what I say.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> ==


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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Clayton Family]

I have never had a problem with my favorite form of soy, which is tofu. 
My dear sweet mom used to make it with stir fired veges when we had 
Chinese night about once a week. Also, it is an ancient food. It is one 
of the processed foods that I like to eat.


I do not do so well with the fake meat soy products, or other highly 
processed foods.  There must be something else in them that is not too 
good. I think that big business has gotten involved in all of that, so 
maybe that has something to do with it.


I am not convinced Mercola is an expert in much, though he is plenty 
vocal in his beliefs.


Kathryn

On Jan 22, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Dee wrote:


I can't see that because the article is old that that would make it
inadmissible though eh?  After all, it was before this that soy had 
been
lauded as being the best thing since sliced bread, and as we know with 
the

cholesterol myth, once big business invests in something it virtually
*never* gets discredited.  Mercola is still convinced that it is 
harmful and
says so, loudly.  I think the information contained in the article 
about the
way soy acts in the body is indisputable and would never change no 
matter
what new stuff comes up.  It does say that fermented soy and sprouted 
soy
are fine, so that would be the only kind I would ever use, if then.  I 
just
think that soy was never meant for people to eat, and as far as I can 
see,

there are many, many other things to eat without choosing one which is
potentially harmful.  Dee



---Original Message---



From: Day Sutton

Date: 22/01/2008 15:08:50

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World



I wonder where he getss the idea that this information is bogus and
untruthful? Dee, thanks for the link, don't count on Wayne reading it 
though
 It is dated 2002; I found most of the information listed here many 
years

earlier, and stopped all forms of soy...






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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[slickpicker]

"once big business invests in something it virtually 
*never* gets discredited.  Mercola is still convinced..."

And Mercola wants what ...to make his business smaller?

 
 Dee   wrote: 

=
I can't see that because the article is old that that would make it
inadmissible though eh?  After all, it was before this that soy had been
lauded as being the best thing since sliced bread, and as we know with the
cholesterol myth, once big business invests in something it virtually
*never* gets discredited.  Mercola is still convinced that it is harmful and
says so, loudly.  I think the information contained in the article about the
way soy acts in the body is indisputable and would never change no matter
what new stuff comes up.  It does say that fermented soy and sprouted soy
are fine, so that would be the only kind I would ever use, if then.  I just
think that soy was never meant for people to eat, and as far as I can see,
there are many, many other things to eat without choosing one which is
potentially harmful.  Dee 



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From: Day Sutton 

Date: 22/01/2008 15:08:50 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World 

 

I wonder where he getss the idea that this information is bogus and
untruthful? Dee, thanks for the link, don't count on Wayne reading it though
 It is dated 2002; I found most of the information listed here many years
earlier, and stopped all forms of soy... 

 

 


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RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dee]

Actually, he advocates eating a proper diet all the time and only recommends
supplements in certain circumstances i.e. If your diet is *not* good or you
are ill or something.  He always advises against eating *any* processed food
at all.  In actual fact, he says, repeatedly, what you have just said at the
end of your post!  

He has got himself into a lot of trouble with the authorities and even had
his site attacked because he is so outspoken about the food and drug
industry.  At the moment he is running a video which shows footage of a top
Merck scientist responsible for vaccines, who is admitting they put stealth
viruses into vaccines which have caused leukaemia.  I personally think him
admirable in many ways.  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 



I don't much like Mercola... 



If you followed what he said, you would be eating tons of 

Processed food-like matter, vitamins and supplements. 

It would cost hundreds of dollars a day. 

 

Eat some real food. Eat less food... Get some exercise. 

 

Dan 

 


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RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dan Nave]

Why not say, "What is good for the Goose is good for the Gander?"
 
Where Goose = Big Pharma
 
and
 
Gander = Mercola and other Alternatives
 
 
What you say may be possible, but I got pretty irritated with Mercola's
huckstering.  
That goes for Jonathan Wright MD too.
 
Dan




From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
        Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the
World


 
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com> >
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the
World

Also, using the "follow the money" mantra used by many, Mercola
sells an
awful lot of this stuff.  Is he not subject to conflict of
interest?  

=
 
Why not say:
 
Mercola is selling certain products because he believes in them
and has seen the good that they can do.
 
AND
 
For a long time, Mercola had a wealth of valuable information
for free, available to anyone who logged on. Why not sell products,
after the many years of offering free information?
 
Just a different way of looking at things. 
 
Nenah
 

Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dee]

Very good site and endorsing what I said, I believe.  Dee  



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From: Ronald (& Susan) Hart 

Date: 22/01/2008 18:59:13 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World 

 

One of the best collections of information I've seen on Soy. 

 

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ 

 


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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World??????

[Tad Winiecki]

Here's where- none are selling soy products like the many sites 
promoting soy-


http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/thyroidproblems.html

http://www.drlam.com/opinion/soy_thyroid.cfm

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/index.htm   Why Soy Can Damage Your 
Health


Nancy

On Jan 22, 2008, at 3:12 AM, Wayne Fugitt wrote:

I wonder where you people get all this bogus and untruthful 
information?


And I don't even have to do any research or read anything.  I have 
eaten
Soy Protein for 50 years, including growing them in my garden to cook 
and eat raw.



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RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dee]

But they were still there, whatever the wording used.  And that footage had
been banned from publishing owing to libel laws, but Mercola showed it.  Dee


 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Dan Nave 

Date: 22/01/2008 19:30:25 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World 

 

I listened to the "Merck scientist" and that is not what he is saying at 

All. 

He said that he advised against using the serums that were being used 

Because 

He felt that they might be contaminated with viruses. That is vastly 

Different 

Than "putting stealth viruses into vaccines which have caused 

Leukaemia." 

 


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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dee]

I agree.  A lot of stuff Mercola finds out for us, does *not* include making
any profit, but just informs us of what is going on.  I am not against
anyone making a profit as long as it is on goods that are beneficial.  Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

 

Why not say: 

 

Mercola is selling certain products because he believes in them and has seen
the good that they can do. 

 

AND 

 

For a long time, Mercola had a wealth of valuable information for free,
available to anyone who logged on. Why not sell products, after the many
years of offering free information? 

 

Just a different way of looking at things. 

 

Nenah 

 

 


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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[slickpicker]

"Mercola is selling certain products because he believes in them and has seen 
the good that they can do."

That's a reasonable statement, and one that could be made about any for-profit 
organization (as is Mercola's).  My concern is the tendency for some to be 
reflexively biased against "big" businesses - unless they're businesses with 
whom one identifies, in which case those businesses are perceived as having 
only the purest of motives.

 Nenah Sylver  wrote: 

=

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World


Also, using the "follow the money" mantra used by many, Mercola sells an
awful lot of this stuff.  Is he not subject to conflict of interest?  

=

Why not say:

Mercola is selling certain products because he believes in them and has seen 
the good that they can do.




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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World


Also, using the "follow the money" mantra used by many, Mercola sells an
awful lot of this stuff.  Is he not subject to conflict of interest?  

=

Why not say:

Mercola is selling certain products because he believes in them and has seen 
the good that they can do.

AND

For a long time, Mercola had a wealth of valuable information for free, 
available to anyone who logged on. Why not sell products, after the many years 
of offering free information?

Just a different way of looking at things. 

Nenah

RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dan Nave]

Nearly all vitamins and supplements *are* "processed foods" or worse. 
Well, OK, I take a few myself, but add up the cost of all the
recommended 
supplements, and you will be spending a fortune.  The eat less / eat
better 
philosophy is better.

Also, using the "follow the money" mantra used by many, Mercola sells an

awful lot of this stuff.  Is he not subject to conflict of interest?  
(Alliteration can be fun...)

I listened to the "Merck scientist" and that is not what he is saying at
all.  
He said that he advised against using the serums that were being used
because 
he felt that they might be contaminated with viruses.  That is vastly
different 
than "putting stealth viruses into vaccines which have caused
leukaemia."

Also, the gleeful giggling of the interviewers was irritating, and shows
their bias...

Dan



> -Original Message-
> From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:46 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World
> 
> Actually, he advocates eating a proper diet all the time and 
> only recommends supplements in certain circumstances i.e. If 
> your diet is *not* good or you are ill or something.  He 
> always advises against eating *any* processed food at all.  
> In actual fact, he says, repeatedly, what you have just said 
> at the end of your post!  
> 
> He has got himself into a lot of trouble with the authorities 
> and even had his site attacked because he is so outspoken 
> about the food and drug industry.  At the moment he is 
> running a video which shows footage of a top Merck scientist 
> responsible for vaccines, who is admitting they put stealth 
> viruses into vaccines which have caused leukaemia.  I 
> personally think him admirable in many ways.  Dee 
> 
>  
> 
> ---Original Message--- 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I don't much like Mercola... 
> 
> 
> 
> If you followed what he said, you would be eating tons of 
> 
> Processed food-like matter, vitamins and supplements. 
> 
> It would cost hundreds of dollars a day. 
> 
>  
> 
> Eat some real food. Eat less food... Get some exercise. 
> 
>  
> 
> Dan 
> 
>  
> 
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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dee]

Isn't tofu fermented soy?  If so, this is good. Dee  



---Original Message--- 

 

From: Clayton Family 

Date: 22/01/2008 18:18:41 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World 

 

I have never had a problem with my favorite form of soy, which is tofu. 

My dear sweet mom used to make it with stir fired veges when we had 

Chinese night about once a week. Also, it is an ancient food. It is one 

Of the processed foods that I like to eat. 

 


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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Ronald (& Susan) Hart]

One of the best collections of information I've seen on Soy. 


http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

Dee wrote:

Actually, he advocates eating a proper diet all the time and only recommends
supplements in certain circumstances i.e. If your diet is *not* good or you
are ill or something.  He always advises against eating *any* processed food
at all.  In actual fact, he says, repeatedly, what you have just said at the
end of your post!  


He has got himself into a lot of trouble with the authorities and even had
his site attacked because he is so outspoken about the food and drug
industry.  At the moment he is running a video which shows footage of a top
Merck scientist responsible for vaccines, who is admitting they put stealth
viruses into vaccines which have caused leukaemia.  I personally think him
admirable in many ways.  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 




I don't much like Mercola... 




If you followed what he said, you would be eating tons of 

Processed food-like matter, vitamins and supplements. 

It would cost hundreds of dollars a day. 

 

Eat some real food. Eat less food... Get some exercise. 

 

Dan 

 



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RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dan Nave]

I don't much like Mercola...

I think he's full of it half the time.

(Does that make him half-full of it?...)

If you followed what he said, you would be eating tons of 
processed food-like matter, vitamins and supplements.  
It would cost hundreds of dollars a day.

Eat some real food.  Eat less food... Get some exercise.

Dan 

> -Original Message-
> From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:46 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World
> 
> I can't see that because the article is old that that would 
> make it inadmissible though eh?  After all, it was before 
> this that soy had been lauded as being the best thing since 
> sliced bread, and as we know with the cholesterol myth, once 
> big business invests in something it virtually
> *never* gets discredited.  Mercola is still convinced that it 
> is harmful and says so, loudly.  I think the information 
> contained in the article about the way soy acts in the body 
> is indisputable and would never change no matter what new 
> stuff comes up.  It does say that fermented soy and sprouted 
> soy are fine, so that would be the only kind I would ever 
> use, if then.  I just think that soy was never meant for 
> people to eat, and as far as I can see, there are many, many 
> other things to eat without choosing one which is potentially 
> harmful.  Dee 
> 


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RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dan Nave]

Afternoon Wayne,

You wrote:

> Of course I knew what you referenced, but others may not.
> Too bad you put the statement... way at the bottom.

What does that matter?!!!  

I put a lot of effort into it, and I expect you to read it all...  

I even proof read and corrected the spelling!

Dan




> -Original Message-
> From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:18 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World
> 
> Morning Day,
>  >> At 09:08 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote:
> 
> 


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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dee]

I can't see that because the article is old that that would make it
inadmissible though eh?  After all, it was before this that soy had been
lauded as being the best thing since sliced bread, and as we know with the
cholesterol myth, once big business invests in something it virtually
*never* gets discredited.  Mercola is still convinced that it is harmful and
says so, loudly.  I think the information contained in the article about the
way soy acts in the body is indisputable and would never change no matter
what new stuff comes up.  It does say that fermented soy and sprouted soy
are fine, so that would be the only kind I would ever use, if then.  I just
think that soy was never meant for people to eat, and as far as I can see,
there are many, many other things to eat without choosing one which is
potentially harmful.  Dee 



---Original Message--- 

 

From: Day Sutton 

Date: 22/01/2008 15:08:50 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World 

 

I wonder where he getss the idea that this information is bogus and
untruthful? Dee, thanks for the link, don't count on Wayne reading it though
 It is dated 2002; I found most of the information listed here many years
earlier, and stopped all forms of soy... 

 

 


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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Day,
>> At 09:08 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote:

Of course I knew what you referenced, but others may not.
Too bad you put the statement... way at the bottom.

I wonder where he getss the idea that this information is bogus and 
untruthful?


   I told you that.  I was eating and reading about soy before many of you 
were born.  ( maybe not you )

Did you even try it ?  To see if it killed you ?

It made us all "Strong and Healthy".

 Dee,  thanks for the link, don't count on Wayne reading it though.   It 
is dated 2002;


  I might read it,  but  2002  !

  Only near 50 years later than most of the stuff I read.

I found most of the information listed here many years earlier, and 
stopped all forms of soy...

I guess no one ever heard of "Misinformation".

You could place some of your Quoted TEXT within a few
feet of your comments.

>>I wonder where you people get all this bogus and untruthful information?

 One important area all are overlooking due to the lack or 
knowledge and wisdom about plants.


I will cover some of that also.

In the days of the "Soy revolution" it made men strong.
At one time, I knew the Olympic Weight lifting team and the coach.

One could do a ONE ARM bent press with 270 pounds.
Many could do 250 and more.  That is a lift with one arm only.

All ate soy products.  It made them weak and puny for sure.

Maybe sick people can't eat soy, ... and many other things.
But.. Healthy People have done so for years.

Later, a few facts on plants should explain some things, and put some new 
light on the subject.


Wayne







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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[bbanever]

Dee,

After reading that article I would have to conclude that soy is indeed an 
unhealthful food, and one that should either be avoided or eaten in extreme 
moderation.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:47 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World


http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-14.html  maybe you should 
read this article Wayne.  Dee 

---Original Message---



From: Wayne Fugitt

Date: 22/01/2008 11:13:07

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World


I wonder where you people get all this bogus and untruthful information?


Wayne



   
  
   

Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Day Sutton]

I wonder where he getss the idea that this information is bogus and
untruthful?  Dee,  thanks for the link, don't count on Wayne reading it
though.   It is dated 2002; I found most of the information listed here many
years earlier, and stopped all forms of soy...

On Jan 22, 2008 8:47 AM, Dee  wrote:

>http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-14.html  maybe you should
> read this article Wayne.  Dee
>
> *---Original Message---*
>
>
>
> From: Wayne Fugitt
>
> Date: 22/01/2008 11:13:07
>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> Subject: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World
>
>
> I wonder where you people get all this bogus and untruthful information?
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Kirsteen Wright]

On Jan 22, 2008 1:28 PM, Dee  wrote:
> The thing is, that just because it hasn't (or hasn't appeared to have)
> harmed *you* Wayne, doesn't mean that it isn't harmful.   I read this on
> Mercola and in other places and trust it to be true.  Dee

I've read quite a lot about soy - enough to feel I'd rather avoid it.

I agree with Dee, the argument it hasn't harmed me therefore it must
be all right is totally spurious. After all my great grandfather
survived the trenches in WWI but I wouldn't use that as a
recommedation for them

Kirsteen


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RE: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[jessie70]

Wayne, you are good to read. Please keep us informed. Jess

-Original Message-
From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World


Morning Nancy,

 >> At 01:07 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote:
>Thanks for the input, Sol.  That would confirm my opinion of soy as a
>thyroid toxin, etc.

  You should have said,  "Too much soy" , ..  and
"soy as the only protein source",and  then ..

As I always say, ..

"Are you talking about sick people or healthy people" ?

Dee wrote ...
Soya is very harmful to the body except in the fermented or sprouted form.
Dee
=

I wonder where you people get all this bogus and untruthful information?

And I don't even have to do any research or read anything.  I have eaten
Soy Protein for 50 years, including growing them in my garden to cook and
eat raw.

I make a drink with only soy powder, milk, and black strap molasses.
Figure the nutrition in that  !  Energy, Minerals, and Vitamins, not to
mention some protein.  Add a raw egg or two and then check the mileage.
Fantastic to say the least.

Again,
 >> Soya is very harmful to the body except in the fermented or
 >> sprouted form.

If you said,  "Sick People" or "Diseased People", it might be true, but only
with highly compromised body chemistry.

I know many on all the lists are sick.  Half way healthy people have other
things to do.

Everyone must learn to use some conditional statements,
If
Maybe
Sometimes
In some cases
Under certain conditions,
and on and on.

However, to make statements suggesting that something is true 100 % of the
time,  that is bad news.

It concerns and worries me.

It is getting so that most of the lists are like the TV, Newspapers, and
the mainstream, .. filled with half truths and things that are DEAD
WRONG.

In addition,..  People that damn the mainstream will turn right
back around and Quote article after article of false, bogus studies, some
of which caused criminal charges to be files, ... and quote these as

"Truth, Etched in Stone."

Please, .. everyone, .  Continue Searching for Truth, if
any exists any more.

I read many things, I never put them in the Truth Memory or the Lie Memory.

After many years, I thought of the name for my small list,
"News, Truth, and Lies".  It is the most descriptive I can think of.

Finally, millions of wild animals  PIG OUT on Soybeans.
They get large, fat, healthy and strong from soybeans.

Some people go for years not eating complete proteins or balancing the
amino acids.

Watch for my comments on Amino Acids.  that will really muddy up the water
and "Your Mind".   But, you will have a hard time disproving what I say.

Wayne

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Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dee]

http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-14.html  maybe you should read
this article Wayne.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 

 
From: Wayne Fugitt
 
Date: 22/01/2008 11:13:07
 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
Subject: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

 
I wonder where you people get all this bogus and untruthful information?
 
 
Wayne
 
 
 
 

Re: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World

[Dee]

The thing is, that just because it hasn't (or hasn't appeared to have)
harmed *you* Wayne, doesn't mean that it isn't harmful.   I read this on
Mercola and in other places and trust it to be true.  Dee



---Original Message--- 

 

From: Wayne Fugitt 

Date: 22/01/2008 11:13:07 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>Soy Products, Some of the Greatest Foods in the World 

 

 

I wonder where you people get all this bogus and untruthful information? 

 

Wayne 

 


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Re: CS>Soy dangers-please take this off list too

[Clayton Family]

On May 31, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Jodi wrote:


CWFugitt wrote on 5/31/2007, 1:23 PM:


Everyone that is carrying on about the bad features of soy,

I ask a simple question,  Why ?


Took me five minutes to find the info below Wayne.  There's plenty 
more.



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Re: CS>Soy dangers, Soy Protein, Good or Bad ?

[Jodi]

CWFugitt wrote on 5/31/2007, 1:23 PM:

 > Everyone that is carrying on about the bad features of soy,
 >
 > I ask a simple question,  Why ?

Took me five minutes to find the info below Wayne.  There's plenty more.

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm
http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2001/nov/24/soy.htm
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/soydangers.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20020825/ai_n12577802

 From http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

Have you ever wondered about soy?  It's promoted as the miracle food 
that will feed the world while at the same time prevent and cure all 
manner of diseases.

But what if all you've read about soy is nothing but a multi-million 
dollar marketing strategy based on scanty facts, half-truths and lies?

Most people remain unaware that soy is known to contain an array of 
potent chemical toxins. The modern manufacturing processes of 
high-profit industries make no effort to remove these potent toxins. 
High levels of phytic acid, trypsin inhibitors, toxic lysinoalanine and 
highly carcinogenic nitrosamines are all present in soy products.

Phytoestrogens that disrupt endocrine function and are potent 
antithyroid agents are present in vast quantities in soy, including the 
potentially devastating isoflavone Genistein. Infants exclusively fed 
soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in 
their blood than babies fed milk-based formula, the estrogenic 
equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day. Premature 
development of girls has been linked to the use of soy formula, as has 
the underdevelopment of males. Infant soy formula has been linked to 
autoimmune thyroid disease.

Soy is linked to infertility, breast cancer, hypothyroidism, thyroid 
cancer, and many other disorders.

"Imagine drugs that are known, by years of scientific documentation, to 
be both carcinogenic and to also cause DNA and chromosome damage being 
prescribed and administered through the food supply to populations of 
many countries around the world without the knowledge or consent of the 
individuals consuming these foods ... with no way to track dosage, 
individual reactions, or harmful side-effects ... and without any 
concern for some people’s increased vulnerability to these drugs, such 
as cancer patients.  It sounds crazy, but that is exactly what is 
happening around the world when Soy is added to our food supply. Soy 
contains the scientifically documented carcinogenic and DNA damaging and 
chromosome damaging natural chemicals genistein and daidzein." - True 
Health, the magazine of Carotec Inc., Naples, Florida.  May/June 2004.

"(Soyfoods) are not nutrients. They are drugs."
Dr. L. White, Honolulu Aging Study.

How could anyone get away with this?

[snipped]  (see above link for full article}

Jodi




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Re: CS>soy SAFE ALTERN TO THYROID

[Rogoff Family]

Hi Tracy,

You wanted safe alternative to thyroid supplementation ,go visit
www.thyrodine.com
Earl Conroy, also from New Zealand will be happy to help you.  Very
interesting.

Hope this helps.

Cheryl.
- Original Message -
From: "Nick Grant" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:19 AM
Subject: CS>soy


> Ivan and others
>
> I read a little of the site about soy.  I thought I was doing really well
> not giving my children cow's milk.  Great.  Now soy is on the no.1 hit
list.
> My eldest child cannot drink fruit juice of any kind as it gives him cold
> sores around his mouth.  Having said this, this problem hasn't been there
> lately.  Maybe its the CS.  Anyway, he would drink about 2 glasses of
> organic soy milk each day.  What can I give this kid to drink, apart from
> water which he drinks a good amount of?  He is a really fussy eater and I
> thought I was doing well getting this into him.  He does display symptoms
of
> hypothyroidism, but so do I ,and I don't drink soy as a rule.
>
> On the subject of hypothyroidism, can anyone tell me a safe alternative to
> thyroid supplementation.  I (and my son) have a extremely low body temp,
> which is supposed to signify hypothyroidism.  Not that doctors here
believe
> that.  Both our hair analysis indicated hypothyroidism.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tracy.
>
>
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Re: CS>soy

[russ e rosser]

I've heard it specifically cited that too much soy in the diet can cause
hypothyroidism!  I backed off after hearing that medical discussion on
talk radio.  American Longevity sells an ostensibly complete protein
supplement consisting of WHEY with "a little soy mixed in too round out
the protein profile."  I also spoke with a rep at the Life Extension
Institute about their HGH precursor, which (like so many other such
products) is just an amino mixture.  When I asked about the soy powder I
already had, he said it is deficient in glutithione (I think); so asked
about WHEY, and he conceded (although losing a sale) that would suffice. 
I currently using a drink mix called Whey to Go and a lesser amt of Bragg
Liquid Aminos (from soy).  

BTW, non-genetically modified soy products are becoming very hard to
find!

--Russ

On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:19:56 +1300 "Nick Grant" 
writes:
> Ivan and others
> 
> I read a little of the site about soy.  I thought I was doing really 
> well
> not giving my children cow's milk.  Great.  Now soy is on the no.1 
> hit list.
> My eldest child cannot drink fruit juice of any kind as it gives him 
> cold
> sores around his mouth.  Having said this, this problem hasn't been 
> there
> lately.  Maybe its the CS.  Anyway, he would drink about 2 glasses 
> of
> organic soy milk each day.  What can I give this kid to drink, apart 
> from
> water which he drinks a good amount of?  He is a really fussy eater 
> and I
> thought I was doing well getting this into him.  He does display 
> symptoms of
> hypothyroidism, but so do I ,and I don't drink soy as a rule.
> 
> On the subject of hypothyroidism, can anyone tell me a safe 
> alternative to
> thyroid supplementation.  I (and my son) have a extremely low body 
> temp,
> which is supposed to signify hypothyroidism.  Not that doctors here 
> believe
> that.  Both our hair analysis indicated hypothyroidism.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tracy.
> 
> 
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Re: CS>soy

[June Narber]

Could you not give him goat's milk;
made vegetable juice from a juicer with organci carrots and other "mild
vegetables".
How about natural fruit juices juiced from non acidic fruitsmushed bananas
in purified water?
How about honey blend with organiz apples?
A few cold sores can be quickly fixed with vitamin E oil. You may have to risk
some sores to get
proper nutrition in him. The sores are a surface reaction, most like to
chemicals. As his immune
system kicks in, the sores will cease.
even with children, there are bound to be some unpleasant symptoms while the
over all objective is
being accomplished.
My opinion.

June



Nick Grant wrote:

> Ivan and others
>
> I read a little of the site about soy.  I thought I was doing really well
> not giving my children cow's milk.  Great.  Now soy is on the no.1 hit list.
> My eldest child cannot drink fruit juice of any kind as it gives him cold
> sores around his mouth.  Having said this, this problem hasn't been there
> lately.  Maybe its the CS.  Anyway, he would drink about 2 glasses of
> organic soy milk each day.  What can I give this kid to drink, apart from
> water which he drinks a good amount of?  He is a really fussy eater and I
> thought I was doing well getting this into him.  He does display symptoms of
> hypothyroidism, but so do I ,and I don't drink soy as a rule.
>
> On the subject of hypothyroidism, can anyone tell me a safe alternative to
> thyroid supplementation.  I (and my son) have a extremely low body temp,
> which is supposed to signify hypothyroidism.  Not that doctors here believe
> that.  Both our hair analysis indicated hypothyroidism.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tracy.
>
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