RE: CS>Ag4O4 ... hepC...CS + Tx

[bob Larson]

 " i tried for months drinking most of a liter/day
of CS with Ag4O4 in it.  i am chicken to inject it or ozonate it without
lots more info.  i suspect it doesn't get into the blood from the gut much
or at all."

Does this mean CS is not very useful for systemic infections if taken
orally? 
 
 
..i meant the Ag4O4 might not be assimilated orally.  
oral EIS/CS worked systemically on my toenail fungus over the years so my
toes are pretty nicely cleared up.   took a long time.
 
i never tried it by enema.  good idea.  hope i never again have a need to
try upon myself. 
 
 

Re: CS>Ag4O4 ... hepC...CS + Tx

[Gary Hilt]

The best use ive found is to take it as a 20ml enema and it goes from
portal vein direct to the liver for delivery.

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 7:43 PM, finplan65  wrote:

> I am a newbie with using CS and am fascinated with what I am learning
> here. Can someone please comment on the following quotation?
>
>  " i tried for months drinking most of a liter/day
> of CS with Ag4O4 in it.  i am chicken to inject it or ozonate it without
> lots more info.  i suspect it doesn't get into the blood from the gut much
> or at all."
>
> Does this mean CS is not very useful for systemic infections if taken
> orally?
>
>
>   --
> *From:* bob Larson 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2012 5:51 PM
> *Subject:* CS>Ag4O4 ... hepC...CS + Tx
>
> only ions will move a TDS meter, correct?
>
> i don't know what Ag4O4 Antelman used on dr. graves, probably kept part of
> it secret?  that "cure" was one injection straight into the liver or
> hepatic
> arteries somewhere, so no problem getting through the belly to the blood.
> patent abstracts (applications?) re Ag4O4 are interesting... antelman
> applied for one or more, don't know if approved.
> i saw one where someone (at leat tries to) patent a use of Ag4O4 that has
> been "activated" with O3 ozonation.
> i bought Silspa, which is a product marketed for hot tub/spa water
> treatment, i guess a chlorine alternative.  under $30 for a pint, incl
> shipping.
> it's Ag4O4, and it's pretty dark.  concentrated.  it says to use their
> activator with it...whatever that is...  this stuff is mfgd by N.Jonas &
> Co.
> people who have tried to get Ag4O4 direct from them have reported receiving
> very unfriendly calls from some enforcement arm.
>
> i tried using the Ag4O4 many ways alone & also along with CS.  trying to
> deal with hepC, i had great success with recovering from a deathspin &
> staying symptom free & feeling good/functional with EIS/CS but adding or
> substituting the Ag4O4 didn't seem to do anything.  viral load & liver
> enzymes (with corresponding damage) continued on their own course of
> progresson into fibrosis.  i tried for months drinking most of a liter/day
> of CS with Ag4O4 in it.  i am chicken to inject it or ozonate it without
> lots more info.  i suspect it doesn't get into the blood from the gut much
> or at all.
>
> i got rid of the hepC this year with the inf/riba/boceprevir combo for 28
> weeks from the VA.  if i'm still clear in april it's called a "cure".
> biopsy said stage 3 fibrosis, which meant NOT time to wait a couple more
> years for the new shorter Tx without interferon...  it did suck, but not as
> bad as stories i've read over the years.
>
> i stopped CS & LDN before starting Tx, but had to use CS in my waterpik
> (spit out) to deal with the dental issues i was stuck with until platelets
> go back up.  i tried to find out here & around if anyone knew if anyone did
> tx while using CS and if there was any problem, but no replies here &
> nothing around the web i can now say waterpiking a 1/2 cup or more CS
> per day (spitting most out) didn't seem to hamper my tx at all, and might
> have helped as i went UNDetectable after 4weeks of boceprevir and stayed
> there.  towards the end of tx my immune system was run down & i'd drink CS
> to keep from getting colds/flu.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alex Flex [mailto:aflex...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 9:37 AM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: CS>American Biotech Labs review (ASAP 10 Silver Solution)
> >
> > Hello List,
> >
> > I recently bought two bottles of Ag4O4 colloidal silver from American
> > Biotech Labs review (ASAP 10PPM Silver Solution) and I wanted
> > to share
> > my experience and get an opinion.
> >
> > I noticed that there was no taste of this, it was like
> > tasting regular
> > water... SO i went and took my TDS meter and it measured 3ppm  only!!
> >
> > Could anybody tell me if this is some kind of mistake... ? Or has
> > anybody before seen such measure?
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>


-- 
Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord
Jesus Christ.
Gary & Lennie

RE: CS>Ag4O4 ... hepC...CS + Tx

[bob Larson]

BTW, i moved to california a year before doing tx.  had to move in with ma
to be caregiver.
fortunately grew a couple pounds of fine med marijuana and smoked my way
through tx.  it helped a lot with tolerating sides but sure didn't counter
the anemia any.
it appears weed doesn't interfere with tx except maybe if one is trying to
work a job through the whole ordeal.
it was all i could do to prepare meals for ma (whose only pleasure left
day-to-day is food) when i could hardly stay on my feet, and the sight or
smell of food would make me run for the toilet where i would alternately
puke/poop or try to..  mostly try to.  everything tasted like nothing but
too dry texture...  week helped appetite and more. 


  _  

From: finplan65 [mailto:finpla...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 4:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 ... hepC...CS + Tx


I am a newbie with using CS and am fascinated with what I am learning here.
Can someone please comment on the following quotation? 

 " i tried for months drinking most of a liter/day
of CS with Ag4O4 in it.  i am chicken to inject it or ozonate it without
lots more info.  i suspect it doesn't get into the blood from the gut much
or at all."

Does this mean CS is not very useful for systemic infections if taken
orally?





  _  

From: bob Larson 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 5:51 PM
Subject: CS>Ag4O4 ... hepC...CS + Tx


only ions will move a TDS meter, correct?

i don't know what Ag4O4 Antelman used on dr. graves, probably kept part of
it secret?  that "cure" was one injection straight into the liver or hepatic
arteries somewhere, so no problem getting through the belly to the blood.
patent abstracts (applications?) re Ag4O4 are interesting... antelman
applied for one or more, don't know if approved.
i saw one where someone (at leat tries to) patent a use of Ag4O4 that has
been "activated" with O3 ozonation.
i bought Silspa, which is a product marketed for hot tub/spa water
treatment, i guess a chlorine alternative.  under $30 for a pint, incl
shipping.
it's Ag4O4, and it's pretty dark.  concentrated.  it says to use their
activator with it...whatever that is...  this stuff is mfgd by N.Jonas & Co.
people who have tried to get Ag4O4 direct from them have reported receiving
very unfriendly calls from some enforcement arm. 

i tried using the Ag4O4 many ways alone & also along with CS.  trying to
deal with hepC, i had great success with recovering from a deathspin &
staying symptom free & feeling good/functional with EIS/CS but adding or
substituting the Ag4O4 didn't seem to do anything.  viral load & liver
enzymes (with corresponding damage) continued on their own course of
progresson into fibrosis.  i tried for months drinking most of a liter/day
of CS with Ag4O4 in it.  i am chicken to inject it or ozonate it without
lots more info.  i suspect it doesn't get into the blood from the gut much
or at all.  

i got rid of the hepC this year with the inf/riba/boceprevir combo for 28
weeks from the VA.  if i'm still clear in april it's called a "cure".
biopsy said stage 3 fibrosis, which meant NOT time to wait a couple more
years for the new shorter Tx without interferon...  it did suck, but not as
bad as stories i've read over the years.

i stopped CS & LDN before starting Tx, but had to use CS in my waterpik
(spit out) to deal with the dental issues i was stuck with until platelets
go back up.  i tried to find out here & around if anyone knew if anyone did
tx while using CS and if there was any problem, but no replies here &
nothing around the web i can now say waterpiking a 1/2 cup or more CS
per day (spitting most out) didn't seem to hamper my tx at all, and might
have helped as i went UNDetectable after 4weeks of boceprevir and stayed
there.  towards the end of tx my immune system was run down & i'd drink CS
to keep from getting colds/flu.

> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Flex [mailto:aflex...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 9:37 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>American Biotech Labs review (ASAP 10 Silver Solution)
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> I recently bought two bottles of Ag4O4 colloidal silver from American 
> Biotech Labs review (ASAP 10PPM Silver Solution) and I wanted 
> to share 
> my experience and get an opinion.
> 
> I noticed that there was no taste of this, it was like 
> tasting regular 
> water... SO i went and took my TDS meter and it measured 3ppm  only!!
> 
> Could anybody tell me if this is some kind of mistake... ? Or has 
> anybody before seen such measure?
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
> --
> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.
>  Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org
> 
&g

Re: CS>Ag4O4 ... hepC...CS + Tx

[finplan65]

I am a newbie with using CS and am fascinated with what I am learning here. Can 
someone please comment on the following quotation? 

 " i tried for months drinking most of a liter/day
of CS with Ag4O4 in it.  i am chicken to inject it or ozonate it without
lots more info.  i suspect it doesn't get into the blood from the gut much
or at all."

Does this mean CS is not very useful for systemic infections if taken orally?





 From: bob Larson 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 5:51 PM
Subject: CS>Ag4O4 ... hepC...CS + Tx
 
only ions will move a TDS meter, correct?

i don't know what Ag4O4 Antelman used on dr. graves, probably kept part of
it secret?  that "cure" was one injection straight into the liver or hepatic
arteries somewhere, so no problem getting through the belly to the blood.
patent abstracts (applications?) re Ag4O4 are interesting... antelman
applied for one or more, don't know if approved.
i saw one where someone (at leat tries to) patent a use of Ag4O4 that has
been "activated" with O3 ozonation.
i bought Silspa, which is a product marketed for hot tub/spa water
treatment, i guess a chlorine alternative.  under $30 for a pint, incl
shipping.
it's Ag4O4, and it's pretty dark.  concentrated.  it says to use their
activator with it...whatever that is...  this stuff is mfgd by N.Jonas & Co.
people who have tried to get Ag4O4 direct from them have reported receiving
very unfriendly calls from some enforcement arm. 

i tried using the Ag4O4 many ways alone & also along with CS.  trying to
deal with hepC, i had great success with recovering from a deathspin &
staying symptom free & feeling good/functional with EIS/CS but adding or
substituting the Ag4O4 didn't seem to do anything.  viral load & liver
enzymes (with corresponding damage) continued on their own course of
progresson into fibrosis.  i tried for months drinking most of a liter/day
of CS with Ag4O4 in it.  i am chicken to inject it or ozonate it without
lots more info.  i suspect it doesn't get into the blood from the gut much
or at all.  

i got rid of the hepC this year with the inf/riba/boceprevir combo for 28
weeks from the VA.  if i'm still clear in april it's called a "cure".
biopsy said stage 3 fibrosis, which meant NOT time to wait a couple more
years for the new shorter Tx without interferon...  it did suck, but not as
bad as stories i've read over the years.

i stopped CS & LDN before starting Tx, but had to use CS in my waterpik
(spit out) to deal with the dental issues i was stuck with until platelets
go back up.  i tried to find out here & around if anyone knew if anyone did
tx while using CS and if there was any problem, but no replies here &
nothing around the web i can now say waterpiking a 1/2 cup or more CS
per day (spitting most out) didn't seem to hamper my tx at all, and might
have helped as i went UNDetectable after 4weeks of boceprevir and stayed
there.  towards the end of tx my immune system was run down & i'd drink CS
to keep from getting colds/flu.

> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Flex [mailto:aflex...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 9:37 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>American Biotech Labs review (ASAP 10 Silver Solution)
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> I recently bought two bottles of Ag4O4 colloidal silver from American 
> Biotech Labs review (ASAP 10PPM Silver Solution) and I wanted 
> to share 
> my experience and get an opinion.
> 
> I noticed that there was no taste of this, it was like 
> tasting regular 
> water... SO i went and took my TDS meter and it measured 3ppm  only!!
> 
> Could anybody tell me if this is some kind of mistake... ? Or has 
> anybody before seen such measure?
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Tel Tofflemire]

 Leslie, 
The last sentence in Your post is the best ! All Colloidal Silver will help 
whatever you want it to help.  
Believe me, all these special names for Colloidal are just that ! Names.. You 
can name your New Colloidal Master, Georgia Peach, or Bug Killer, or whatever, 
but that don't make it so?
Most of the homemade Devices are very Vulnerable to wear and tear, But the 
better units will last almost forever. I have the Colloidal Master, put out by 
a very nice couple in northern Minnesota, I bought mine when I was in Phoenix 
and they were in Idaho. I am still using it at least on a weekly basis, and I 
have never had any problems with it ever. It cost me $150.00 But I seen them on 
line for $120.00 last week. They were under the name Wishgranted.com, That used 
to be their theme, then they dropped it for a number of years I think?  Anyway 
I have used mine for over 20 years !  It makes as strong or as weak CS as you 
need. Directions come with it and you can call and ask questions,any time.

Tel Tofflemire



 From: Leslie 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
 

Thank you Neville but one more thing. Where do you buy your silver? I have an 
old maker but needing silver and on facebook (as sarahleemiller) and that had 
puzzled me what Steve had said. I had some I had bought which someone else must 
have needed but don't remember his name; was off ebay anyway.
Leslie

--- On Mon, 12/3/12, Neville Munn  wrote:


>From: Neville Munn 
>Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
>To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 2:51 PM
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
>> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
>> From: sarahmiller...@gmail.com
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> 
>> I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
>> Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
>> absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
>> appreciated (Ode).
>> 
>Like...this bloke would know I'm sure???  His sales pitch matches all the rest 
>of the generator pushers out there.  "Buy mine, it's the best".Bunkum!
>
>
>He's wrong on both counts, it's not the best machine out there, they all 
>produce the same thing, and the product his machine produces won't absorb in 
>your system any better than the most economically home made machine of a 3 or 
>4 nine battery setup will produce.  Don't believe half of what marketers and 
>machine pushers say, and ignore the rest of what they say.
>
>
>N. 

Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks, Ode.  You are the best de-bunker around!
PT





From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, December 4, 2012 8:33:14 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it  made?



  Barwick is a fear mongering deceptive cr double oh k and that CS maker is 
worth about $50. [$350 worth of bluff and BS]
His ad copy is designed to "Phish for Ignorance" and sort out the "Believers" 
who will not question anything, especially their own judgement [perfect "Marks" 
], makes no sense and is full of mixed terms and direct contradictions..and he 
knows it. [Will thump Bible and hurl childish insults if challanged]
His blogs are edited to ferret out any question or dissent [total control of 
content] to maintain the appearance of perfection and god hood.
Floods the media with 'bait and switch' articles with fearful headlines, 
negated 
in fine print, buried on page 4. [I screamed at you to be very afraid, but 
didn't mean what I said..if you believed the headline, you need to learn how to 
read past second grade level...and that's a quote. ]
Steve spends a lot more money on "advertising" [con games]  than product 
function and quality.

Contents: [from memory]
1] partially disassembled aquarium pump [$5 at walmart]
1] .02 cent 1/4 watt resistor to limit current to 40 milliamps [prevents fires 
if electrodes short together]
1] $3 transformer to drop line voltage
1] $1-$2 rectifier bridge to get DC
1] capacitor to smooth the ripples [maybe]
1] LED to show it's running
1] big nearly empty box [$8] with a tamper seal and dire warning so you won't 
look inside to see how empty and shoddy it all is. [ judicious use of a heat 
gun 
gets around that ]
..but it does seem to work OK...and all those bubbles between the electrodes 
probably do reduce current draw significantly.
Repeatable results?  Don't see how.

Ionic silver is ions.
 Silver Ions , by definition, only come in ONE size...period.
NO CS maker using water and electricity makes anything BUT ions. HVAC, HVDC, 
LVAC, LVDCall ions.
Particles come later according to environment.
MOST of the particles are not pure silver [Mostly AgOH and AgO plus whatever 
was 
formed by reaction with various water contaminants...some of which probably 
comes from air dissolving into the watervia bubbler? ]
There are ways to tweek the environment and a good generator design can get a 
handle on some factors, but generally so many variables in the home environment 
that total control is impossible. [Fortunately **usage** gives us a lot of 
leeway ]
 Affordable real time monitoring based on conductivity [like a PPM meter] has 
it's nuances [as does a PPM meter], but better than nothing. [or a clock/timer, 
which is pretty close to nothing ]

Ode


At 01:58 PM 12/3/2012 -0600, you wrote:

I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
>Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
>absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
>appreciated (Ode).
>
>On 12/3/12, Alex Flex  wrote:
>> Thanks Ode,
>>
>> Two questions remain 
>>
>> If they use hyrogen peroxide in the process at HVAC, wouldnt that also
>> produce only silver particles, I had the understanding it did?
>> Does this Ag4O4 offer increased bioavailability then regular ionic silver?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Alex
>>
>> On 12/03/2012 04:59 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They
>>> don't say where, when or how much]
>>> At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the
>>> ion going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity
>>> reversal every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on.
>>> The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC.
>>>  A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver
>>> Oxide formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver
>>> Hydroxide.
>>>
>>> Ode
>>>
>>>
>>> At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote:
>>>> Hello Guys...
>>>>
>>>> Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS
>>>> i know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer,
>>>> b.) Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens
>>>> because it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged
>>>> pathogens) and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal
>>>> multiple electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can
>>>> only steal one.
>>>>
>>>

Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Ode Coyote]

At 01:41 PM 12/3/2012 -0600, you wrote:

Thanks Ode,

Two questions remain 

If they use hyrogen peroxide in the process at HVAC, wouldnt that also 
produce only silver particles, I had the understanding it did?



Depends on how much and when.


Does this Ag4O4 offer increased bioavailability then regular ionic silver?


It's all about ion exchange in a chemical soup [the bod]...you tell me?
I suspect it all comes out pretty much the same by a variety of routes.

Ode



Thanks
Alex

On 12/03/2012 04:59 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



  They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They 
don't say where, when or how much]
At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the 
ion going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity 
reversal every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on.

The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC.
 A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver Oxide 
formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver Hydroxide.


Ode


At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote:

Hello Guys...

Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS i 
know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer, b.) 
Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens because 
it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged pathogens) 
and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal multiple 
electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can only steal one.


My question is:

a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech Labs 
(http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent ( 
http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids 
(99% particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating? Or 
os it that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get the 
Ag4O4 coatings on the particles?


b.) Does anybody know of other products that work with Ag4O4?

Thanks

Alex



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Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Ode Coyote]

  Barwick is a fear mongering deceptive cr double oh k and that CS maker 
is worth about $50. [$350 worth of bluff and BS]
His ad copy is designed to "Phish for Ignorance" and sort out the 
"Believers" who will not question anything, especially their own judgement 
[perfect "Marks" ], makes no sense and is full of mixed terms and direct 
contradictions..and he knows it. [Will thump Bible and hurl childish 
insults if challanged]
His blogs are edited to ferret out any question or dissent [total control 
of content] to maintain the appearance of perfection and god hood.
Floods the media with 'bait and switch' articles with fearful headlines, 
negated in fine print, buried on page 4. [I screamed at you to be very 
afraid, but didn't mean what I said..if you believed the headline, you need 
to learn how to read past second grade level...and that's a quote. ]
Steve spends a lot more money on "advertising" [con games] than product 
function and quality.


Contents: [from memory]
1] partially disassembled aquarium pump [$5 at walmart]
1] .02 cent 1/4 watt resistor to limit current to 40 milliamps [prevents 
fires if electrodes short together]

1] $3 transformer to drop line voltage
1] $1-$2 rectifier bridge to get DC
1] capacitor to smooth the ripples [maybe]
1] LED to show it's running
1] big nearly empty box [$8] with a tamper seal and dire warning so you 
won't look inside to see how empty and shoddy it all is. [ judicious use of 
a heat gun gets around that ]
..but it does seem to work OK...and all those bubbles between the 
electrodes probably do reduce current draw significantly.

Repeatable results?  Don't see how.

Ionic silver is ions.
 Silver Ions , by definition, only come in ONE size...period.
NO CS maker using water and electricity makes anything BUT ions. HVAC, 
HVDC, LVAC, LVDCall ions.

Particles come later according to environment.
MOST of the particles are not pure silver [Mostly AgOH and AgO plus 
whatever was formed by reaction with various water contaminants...some of 
which probably comes from air dissolving into the watervia bubbler? ]
There are ways to tweek the environment and a good generator design can get 
a handle on some factors, but generally so many variables in the home 
environment that total control is impossible. [Fortunately **usage** gives 
us a lot of leeway ]
 Affordable real time monitoring based on conductivity [like a PPM meter] 
has it's nuances [as does a PPM meter], but better than nothing. [or a 
clock/timer, which is pretty close to nothing ]


Ode


At 01:58 PM 12/3/2012 -0600, you wrote:

I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
appreciated (Ode).

On 12/3/12, Alex Flex  wrote:
> Thanks Ode,
>
> Two questions remain 
>
> If they use hyrogen peroxide in the process at HVAC, wouldnt that also
> produce only silver particles, I had the understanding it did?
> Does this Ag4O4 offer increased bioavailability then regular ionic silver?
>
> Thanks
> Alex
>
> On 12/03/2012 04:59 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>>
>>
>>   They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They
>> don't say where, when or how much]
>> At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the
>> ion going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity
>> reversal every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on.
>> The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC.
>>  A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver
>> Oxide formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver
>> Hydroxide.
>>
>> Ode
>>
>>
>> At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote:
>>> Hello Guys...
>>>
>>> Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS
>>> i know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer,
>>> b.) Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens
>>> because it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged
>>> pathogens) and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal
>>> multiple electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can
>>> only steal one.
>>>
>>> My question is:
>>>
>>> a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech
>>> Labs (http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent (
>>> http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids
>>> (99% particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating?
>>> Or os it that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get
>>> the Ag4O4 coatings on the particles?
>>>
>>> b.) Does anybody know of other products that work with Ag4O4?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
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Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

For best value for money i.e cheapness and quality, I would recommend the
Silver Puppy.  I have had this for years and it has always been reliable.
dee


> From: Sarah Miller 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:58:37 -0800
> 
> I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
> Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
> absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
> appreciated (Ode).
> 



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RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Neville Munn]

No, No, don't misunderstand Alex, I was commenting to whomever mentioned Steve 
Barwicks generator producing something different to any home made generator.
N.

Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 21:20:09 -0600
From: aflex...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?


  

  
  
Neville,



I dont understand why you say machines we use at home produce the
same as vendors?



The Ag4O4 compund  has the ability to steal multiple electrons
instead of the one compared to the ION based colloidal silver (Ag+)
which is what we all produce at home...  This in turn attracts
better negative charged pathogens.



Source: http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html



This is my understanding.



Alex









On 12/03/2012 03:04 PM, Leslie wrote:

  

  
Thank you Neville
  but one more thing. Where do you buy your silver? I have
  an old maker but needing silver and on facebook (as
  sarahleemiller) and that had puzzled me what Steve had
  said. I had some I had bought which someone else must have
  needed but don't remember his name; was off ebay anyway.

  Leslie

  

  --- On Mon, 12/3/12, Neville Munn 
  wrote:

  

From: Neville Munn 

    Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to
get it? How is it made?

To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"


Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 2:51 PM




  
  

  

  

  > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600

            > Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it
better? Where to get it? How is it made?

> From: sarahmiller...@gmail.com

> To: silver-list@eskimo.com

> 

> I am checking into the best CS maker
I could get and afford. Steve

> Barwick is always advertising his micro
  maker which is supposed to

  > absorb better in your system? But is
expensive. All advice

> appreciated (Ode).

> 

Like...this bloke would know I'm sure???  His
sales pitch matches all the rest of the
generator pushers out there.  "Buy mine, it's
the best".Bunkum!
  

  
  He's wrong on both counts, it's not the best
machine out there, they all produce the same
thing, and the product his machine produces
won't absorb in your system any better than the
most economically home made machine of a 3 or 4
nine battery setup will produce.  Don't believe
half of what marketers and machine pushers say,
and ignore the rest of what they say.
  

  
  N.

  

  

  

  


  

Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Alex Flex]

Neville,

I dont understand why you say machines we use at home produce the same 
as vendors?


The Ag4O4 compund  has the ability to steal multiple electrons instead 
of the one compared to the ION based colloidal silver (Ag+) which is 
what we all produce at home...  This in turn attracts better negative 
charged pathogens.


Source: http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html

This is my understanding.

Alex




On 12/03/2012 03:04 PM, Leslie wrote:
Thank you Neville but one more thing. Where do you buy your silver? I 
have an old maker but needing silver and on facebook (as 
sarahleemiller) and that had puzzled me what Steve had said. I had 
some I had bought which someone else must have needed but don't 
remember his name; was off ebay anyway.

Leslie

--- On *Mon, 12/3/12, Neville Munn //* wrote:


From: Neville Munn 
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How
is it made?
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 2:51 PM



> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
    > Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it?
How is it made?
> From: sarahmiller...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> I am checking into the *best CS maker* I could get and afford. Steve
> *Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
> absorb better in your system*? But is expensive. All advice
> appreciated (Ode).
>
Like...this bloke would know I'm sure???  His sales pitch matches
all the rest of the generator pushers out there.  "Buy mine, it's
the best".Bunkum!

He's wrong on both counts, it's not the best machine out there,
they all produce the same thing, and the product his machine
produces won't absorb in your system any better than the most
economically home made machine of a 3 or 4 nine battery setup will
produce.  Don't believe half of what marketers and machine pushers
say, and ignore the rest of what they say.

N.

RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Neville Munn]

I purchase mine direct from Precious Metal Merchants.  Any, well most I guess, 
Precious Metal Merchant will sell small quantities of pure fine silver, 99.98% 
or 99.99%, choice is up to the purchaser, however, there may be a minimum 
amount purchasable, such as one (1) metre perhaps, I buy it by the metre 
because I make units for family and friends.  I use 3mm round wire.
N.

Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:04:31 -0800
From: leslie3...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Thank you Neville but one more thing. Where do you buy your silver? I have an 
old maker but needing silver and on facebook (as sarahleemiller) and that had 
puzzled me what Steve had said. I had some I had bought which someone else must 
have needed but don't remember his name; was off ebay anyway.
Leslie

--- On Mon, 12/3/12, Neville Munn  wrote:

From: Neville Munn 
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 2:51 PM







> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
> From: sarahmiller...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
> Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
> absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
> appreciated (Ode).
> 
Like...this bloke would know I'm sure???  His sales pitch matches all the rest 
of the generator pushers out there.  "Buy mine, it's the best".Bunkum!
He's wrong on both counts, it's not the best machine out there, they all 
produce the same thing, and the product his machine produces won't absorb in 
your system any better than the most economically home made machine of a 3 or 4
 nine battery setup will produce.  Don't believe half of what marketers and 
machine pushers say, and ignore the rest of what they say.
N.
  

RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Leslie]

Thank you Neville but one more thing. Where do you buy your silver? I have an 
old maker but needing silver and on facebook (as sarahleemiller) and that had 
puzzled me what Steve had said. I had some I had bought which someone else must 
have needed but don't remember his name; was off ebay anyway.
Leslie

--- On Mon, 12/3/12, Neville Munn  wrote:

From: Neville Munn 
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 2:51 PM







> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
> From: sarahmiller...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
> Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
> absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
> appreciated (Ode).
> 
Like...this bloke would know I'm sure???  His sales pitch matches all the rest 
of the generator pushers out there.  "Buy mine, it's the best".Bunkum!
He's wrong on both counts, it's not the best machine out there, they all 
produce the same thing, and the product his machine produces won't absorb in 
your system any better than the most economically home made machine of a 3 or 4 
nine battery setup will produce.  Don't believe half of what marketers and 
machine pushers say, and ignore the rest of what they say.
N.

RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Neville Munn]

> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
> From: sarahmiller...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
> Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
> absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
> appreciated (Ode).
> 
Like...this bloke would know I'm sure???  His sales pitch matches all the rest 
of the generator pushers out there.  "Buy mine, it's the best".Bunkum!
He's wrong on both counts, it's not the best machine out there, they all 
produce the same thing, and the product his machine produces won't absorb in 
your system any better than the most economically home made machine of a 3 or 4 
nine battery setup will produce.  Don't believe half of what marketers and 
machine pushers say, and ignore the rest of what they say.
N.

Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Sarah Miller]

I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
appreciated (Ode).

On 12/3/12, Alex Flex  wrote:
> Thanks Ode,
>
> Two questions remain 
>
> If they use hyrogen peroxide in the process at HVAC, wouldnt that also
> produce only silver particles, I had the understanding it did?
> Does this Ag4O4 offer increased bioavailability then regular ionic silver?
>
> Thanks
> Alex
>
> On 12/03/2012 04:59 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>>
>>
>>   They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They
>> don't say where, when or how much]
>> At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the
>> ion going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity
>> reversal every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on.
>> The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC.
>>  A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver
>> Oxide formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver
>> Hydroxide.
>>
>> Ode
>>
>>
>> At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote:
>>> Hello Guys...
>>>
>>> Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS
>>> i know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer,
>>> b.) Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens
>>> because it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged
>>> pathogens) and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal
>>> multiple electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can
>>> only steal one.
>>>
>>> My question is:
>>>
>>> a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech
>>> Labs (http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent (
>>> http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids
>>> (99% particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating?
>>> Or os it that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get
>>> the Ag4O4 coatings on the particles?
>>>
>>> b.) Does anybody know of other products that work with Ag4O4?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Alex Flex]

Thanks Ode,

Two questions remain 

If they use hyrogen peroxide in the process at HVAC, wouldnt that also 
produce only silver particles, I had the understanding it did?

Does this Ag4O4 offer increased bioavailability then regular ionic silver?

Thanks
Alex

On 12/03/2012 04:59 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



  They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They 
don't say where, when or how much]
At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the 
ion going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity 
reversal every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on.

The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC.
 A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver 
Oxide formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver 
Hydroxide.


Ode


At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote:

Hello Guys...

Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS 
i know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer, 
b.) Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens 
because it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged 
pathogens) and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal 
multiple electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can 
only steal one.


My question is:

a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech 
Labs (http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent ( 
http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids 
(99% particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating? 
Or os it that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get 
the Ag4O4 coatings on the particles?


b.) Does anybody know of other products that work with Ag4O4?

Thanks

Alex



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Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Ode Coyote]

  They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They don't 
say where, when or how much]
At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the ion 
going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity reversal 
every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on.

The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC.
 A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver Oxide 
formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver Hydroxide.


Ode


At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote:

Hello Guys...

Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS i 
know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer, b.) 
Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens because it 
lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged pathogens) and 
c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal multiple electronics 
instead of one comapred to the ION which can only steal one.


My question is:

a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech Labs 
(http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent ( 
http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids (99% 
particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating? Or os it 
that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get the Ag4O4 
coatings on the particles?


b.) Does anybody know of other products that work with Ag4O4?

Thanks

Alex



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Re: CS>Re: CS Ag4O4... any more effective?

[Ode Coyote]

  No clue
It's all about ion exchange and many ways to get to the same place.
Get bombed or step on a land mine, take your pick.

Ag4O4
4 molecules of AgO  [Silver Oxide] in a cluster?

Ode


At 06:29 AM 7/16/2011 -0700, you wrote:

Ode,

If I may ask, what is your take on Ag4O4?  Some are saying this form 
of silver is even more effective than the type we make 
(ionic/colloidal).  Any truth to the theory?


Bob
- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: CS>RE: one month into using CS





  I haven't had Lyme and everyone is different.
If you are herxing, might want to slow down some.
Many small doses is better than one biggun.

Inhalation takes it right to the blood.



At 03:53 PM 7/13/2011 -0400, you wrote:

I have had Lyme disease for 25 years and all the antibiotics have not 
helped.  Can anyone comment on how many mls (.001) should I TAKE 
DAILY.  I have taken 18 per day and I have a herx all day every day.  I 
really need to converse or get emails with a person who has taken 
colloidal silver for Lyme.  I have taken CS for one month.




Rod Samuelson
860-881-3734 cell
new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net

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To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Subject: FW: one month into using CS







Rod Samuelson
860-881-3734 cell
new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net

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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:41 PM
To: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: one month into using CS



I am currently taking 18 ml of cs as per Jenna.  I get herx every day. 
Should I take less?  I have had Lyme disease for 25 years and have taken 
many antibiotics with no real help.  Please call me as I do better with 
real people.




Rod Samuelson
860-881-3734 cell
new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net




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CS>Re: CS Ag4O4... any more effective?

[Bob Banever]

Ode,

If I may ask, what is your take on Ag4O4?  Some are saying this form of 
silver is even more effective than the type we make (ionic/colloidal).  Any 
truth to the theory?


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: CS>RE: one month into using CS





  I haven't had Lyme and everyone is different.
If you are herxing, might want to slow down some.
Many small doses is better than one biggun.

Inhalation takes it right to the blood.



At 03:53 PM 7/13/2011 -0400, you wrote:

I have had Lyme disease for 25 years and all the antibiotics have not 
helped.  Can anyone comment on how many mls (.001) should I TAKE DAILY.  I 
have taken 18 per day and I have a herx all day every day.  I really need 
to converse or get emails with a person who has taken colloidal silver for 
Lyme.  I have taken CS for one month.




Rod Samuelson
860-881-3734 cell
new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net

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To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Subject: FW: one month into using CS







Rod Samuelson
860-881-3734 cell
new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net

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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:41 PM
To: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: one month into using CS



I am currently taking 18 ml of cs as per Jenna.  I get herx every day. 
Should I take less?  I have had Lyme disease for 25 years and have taken 
many antibiotics with no real help.  Please call me as I do better with 
real people.




Rod Samuelson
860-881-3734 cell
new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net





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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Dee]

Oh I'd quite forgotten about that. That probably explains why we haven't
heard from him.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Starshar
Date: 12/06/2008 04:19:01
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4
 
Just saw on another list that Duncan just got married in the last week or so

 
Looks like he's easing himself back on the 'net
 
Sharon
 
 
From: bob Larson
 
good idea, Dee.  if he doesn't chime in here in a bit i'll send him a note.

Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Starshar]

Just saw on another list that Duncan just got married in the last week or so.

Looks like he's easing himself back on the 'net

Sharon


From: bob Larson 

good idea, Dee.  if he doesn't chime in here in a bit i'll send him a note.
-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:08 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4


Duncan Crow is *definitely* the person to help you with this Bob, as he is very 
knowledgeable on the whey/glutathione protocol.  Is he still on this list; 
because I don't seem to see many posts from him' but he does have a website.  I 
know he is on the candida list though.  Dee 



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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

good idea, Dee.  if he doesn't chime in here in a bit i'll send him a note.
  -Original Message-
  From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:08 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4


Duncan Crow is *definitely* the person to help you with this Bob, as
he is very knowledgeable on the whey/glutathione protocol.  Is he still on
this list; because I don't seem to see many posts from him' but he does have
a website.  I know he is on the candida list though.  Dee

---Original Message---

From: bob Larson
Date: 06/11/08 04:08:02
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
    Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4

i dunno what might be causing it... i did read something somewhere
(?) about extended consumption of large amounts of CS interfering with
ability to produce glutathione.  not a good thing if true...
counterproductive for sure.  i do take ALA, NAC, and a scoop of whey daily,
but if the glutathione production mechanism is impaired or shut down that's
all a waste.

RE: CS>Ag4O4

[Dan Nave]

Yes, over the liver area of the abdomen.  See, for instance

 http://www.curezone.com/cures/castoroil.asp

This can be messy, so use plenty of plastic and cover it with an old
towel to protect your linens, etc.

You can get good prices on castor oil and they even have a whole castor
oil treatment kit, but you can do it cheaper yourself with just the
castor oil.  See:

http://www.baar.com/index.shtml

Dan

> -Original Message-
> From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:08 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
> 
> ...right over top of the liver area?
> know of any links that get into instructions for making and 
> using them?
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:37 AM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
> > 
> > 
> > Bob,
> > 
> > Try using castor oil packs in conjunction with the CS treatments.
> > 
> > The castor oil packs will help heal the liver/gallbladder 
> and soften 
> > up the tissues so that circulation can get to the whole area.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> 
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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Marshall Dudley]

A mirror and a flashlight.

Marshall

bob Larson wrote:

no. how is that done?
 


-Original Message-
*From:* Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:31 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>Ag4O4

/Have you checked yourself for pinworms?/
Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com <mailto:aera...@gmail.com>

- Original Message -
*From:* bob Larson <mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:38 AM
        *Subject:* RE: CS>Ag4O4

thanks Dee.
 
by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've
had a rectal itch that's pretty maddening sometimes. 





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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[Tony Moody]

Hi Bob,

CS sprayed or dabbed will sooth the tenderest of itchy parts. 

Cabbage leaf, crushed or bruised and applied should draw off the offending 
allegens.

Skin brushing will also help to get rid of itch causing stuff from the body. 
If you want instructiond let me know.

Vit C is an antihistamine apparently.

OK,
Tony

"You cannot achieve optimal enlightenment without moving through, and
coming to terms with, the depths of the darkness. "



On 10 Jun 2008 at 23:07, bob Larson wrote about :
Subject : RE: CS>Ag4O4

> i dunno what might be causing it... i did read something somewhere (?) about
> extended consumption of large amounts of CS interfering with ability to
> produce glutathione.  not a good thing if true... counterproductive for
> sure.  i do take ALA, NAC, and a scoop of whey daily, but if the glutathione
> production mechanism is impaired or shut down that's all a waste.
> i actually think it's involving the saturn transit opposing my asc and
> asc-mercury midpoint (again, and on & on & on))
> the skipped description was indeed needless or i would've went with it.
> noone really needs to read about the stains in my skivies from compulsive
> cross-eyed scratch fits, sometimes in public places...etc ;-)
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:45 AM
>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>   Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
> 
> 
> I wonder what could cause that?  Thanks for the 'too much
> information' sensitivity, but I think we are all a pretty hardened lot on
> here with all the different problems there are.  After all, who knows, maybe
> someone can come up with an explanation.  If you don't mention something
> then you never find the answer eh? Dee
> 
> ---Original Message---
> 
> From: bob Larson
> Date: 10/06/2008 13:38:22
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
> 
> thanks Dee.
> 
> by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've had a
> rectal itch that's pretty maddening sometimes.  no problem usually while
> busy working or running around doing stuff, but when more relaxed i find
> myself scratching to the point of ... (needless graphic description skipped
> to coddle the hyper-sensitive).
> 
> cheers,
> bobL
> 
> 
> 
> 



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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[Dee]

Duncan Crow is *definitely* the person to help you with this Bob, as he is
very knowledgeable on the whey/glutathione protocol.  Is he still on this
list; because I don't seem to see many posts from him' but he does have a
website.  I know he is on the candida list though.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: bob Larson
Date: 06/11/08 04:08:02
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
 
i dunno what might be causing it... i did read something somewhere (?) about 
extended consumption of large amounts of CS interfering with ability to produce 
glutathione.  not a good thing if true... counterproductive for sure.  i do 
take ALA, NAC, and a scoop of whey daily, but if the glutathione production 
mechanism is impaired or shut down that's all a waste.

Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Tony Moody]

Hi Gayla,

How does one check oneself for pinworms? 

thanks,
Tony


On 10 Jun 2008 at 7:31, Gayla Roberts wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>Ag4O4

> Have you checked yourself for pinworms?
> Gayla Roberts
> Always Enough Ranch
> Acampo, California
> aera...@gmail.com 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: bob Larson 
>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:38 AM
>   Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
> 
> 
>   thanks Dee.
> 
>   by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've had a rectal 
> itch that's pretty maddening sometimes.  



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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

i'm making a point of eating an artichoke at least every couple weeks.  i
use Buhner's and Zhang's herbal recommendations specific for hep-C and have
had to install shelving around the bulksheads in my kitchen to accomodate
all the cannisters of goodies.  i don't recall either buhner or zhang
mentioning cat's claw... will look into that.  man, i wish i had time to
cook an artichoke but i have to go to bed.
just received a couple pounds of phyllanthus amarus from south america (took
over a month, but that's been a hard to find herb affordable enough for me).
i'm slacking off herbs a bit lately because i need to fill a lot of caps and
mix some blends and just don't have the time or energy lately.  i've been
wondering if the herbs along with so much CS is making strange things, and
so that's part of recently backing off herbs some to see what happens.

> -Original Message-
> From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:41 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4
>
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2008, at 5:04 AM, bob Larson wrote:
>
> > ..yup.  tried it various ways from last fall until Jan.  no better
> > than CS for my hep-C,
>
> Bob- I don't doubt CS and MMS can fight viruses, but have you
> considered herbs for regenerating and restoring liver cells?  Artichoke
> leaf tea is considered a trophorestorative for the liver, able to cause
> regeneration on a cellular level.  Milk Thistle or Silymarin also can
> regenerate cells.  I've also heard that Cat's Claw, Uncaria tomentosa,
> is good for hepatitis among many other things.
>
> Nancy
>
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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

...right over top of the liver area?
know of any links that get into instructions for making and using them?


> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:37 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
> 
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Try using castor oil packs in conjunction with the CS treatments.
> 
> The castor oil packs will help heal the liver/gallbladder and soften up
> the tissues so that circulation can get to the whole area.
> 
> Dan
> 


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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

no. how is that done?

  -Original Message-
  From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:31 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4


  Have you checked yourself for pinworms?
  Gayla Roberts
  Always Enough Ranch
  Acampo, California
  aera...@gmail.com

- Original Message -
From: bob Larson
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:38 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4


thanks Dee.

by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've had a
rectal itch that's pretty maddening sometimes.

RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

i try to remember to eat a big tablespoon of live plain org yogurt daily,
but miss it a lot.  i just got some acidophilis caps given to me, but i
question whether probiotics that aren't refrigerated in the store and kept
cold are any good.

unfortunately i'm too busy spreading oil-based paint in some decadent
mansion to have any time to shop or anything else... sleeping a lot, and
when i wake up i taste the paint vapors.  just what my liver doesn't need.
those products need to become illegal, not just reduced VOC.  bad priorities
going on, and i gotta make the damned money.  i hate money...wish i never
had to touch it... filthy stuff (bankers have sex in piles of it leaking
their vile fluids ultimately into public circulation).

> -Original Message-
> From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:00 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4
>
>
> Bob,
>
> As one of the hyper-sensitive, I appreciate your restraint. I usually
> read my email while having my first cup of coffee
>
> Have you tried any of the various kinds of probiotics? If it is an
> imbalance in the gut flora, that ought to fix it. My favorites are
> plain old acidophilous (in the fridge section) and Garden of Life
> probiotic. Also I eat soy yogurt with live stuff.
>
> The other thing that comes to mind is that there are various parasites
> that can cause rectal itching, some only come out at night.
>
> Hope your regimen is helping with the hepc.
>
> kathryn
>
> On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:38 AM, bob Larson wrote:
>
> > thanks Dee.
> >  
> > by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've had a
> > rectal itch that's pretty maddening sometimes.  no problem usually
> > while busy working or running around doing stuff, but when more
> > relaxed i find myself scratching to the point of ... (needless
> > graphic description skipped to coddle the hyper-sensitive).
> >  
> > cheers,
> > bobL
>
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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

i dunno what might be causing it... i did read something somewhere (?) about
extended consumption of large amounts of CS interfering with ability to
produce glutathione.  not a good thing if true... counterproductive for
sure.  i do take ALA, NAC, and a scoop of whey daily, but if the glutathione
production mechanism is impaired or shut down that's all a waste.
i actually think it's involving the saturn transit opposing my asc and
asc-mercury midpoint (again, and on & on & on))
the skipped description was indeed needless or i would've went with it.
noone really needs to read about the stains in my skivies from compulsive
cross-eyed scratch fits, sometimes in public places...etc ;-)
  -Original Message-
  From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:45 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4


I wonder what could cause that?  Thanks for the 'too much
information' sensitivity, but I think we are all a pretty hardened lot on
here with all the different problems there are.  After all, who knows, maybe
someone can come up with an explanation.  If you don't mention something
then you never find the answer eh? Dee

---Original Message---

From: bob Larson
Date: 10/06/2008 13:38:22
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4

thanks Dee.

by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've had a
rectal itch that's pretty maddening sometimes.  no problem usually while
busy working or running around doing stuff, but when more relaxed i find
myself scratching to the point of ... (needless graphic description skipped
to coddle the hyper-sensitive).

cheers,
bobL

Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Tad Winiecki]

On Jun 10, 2008, at 5:04 AM, bob Larson wrote:

..yup.  tried it various ways from last fall until Jan.  no better 
than CS for my hep-C,


Bob- I don't doubt CS and MMS can fight viruses, but have you 
considered herbs for regenerating and restoring liver cells?  Artichoke 
leaf tea is considered a trophorestorative for the liver, able to cause 
regeneration on a cellular level.  Milk Thistle or Silymarin also can 
regenerate cells.  I've also heard that Cat's Claw, Uncaria tomentosa, 
is good for hepatitis among many other things.


Nancy


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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Faith Gagne]

I have a friend who swears by castor oil  and castor oil packs,  Edgar Cayce 
remedies.  Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4


Bob,

Try using castor oil packs in conjunction with the CS treatments.

The castor oil packs will help heal the liver/gallbladder and soften up
the tissues so that circulation can get to the whole area.

Dan


-Original Message-
From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:04 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4

...yup.  tried it various ways from last fall until Jan.  no
better than CS for my hep-C, and much more complicated and
vile.  i'm currently drinking almost a liter/day of CS, 3rd
month now and will stop at 4 mos... then go back on the MMS
for awhile.  i believe the MMS takes a heavier toll on the
body than CS when used in large amounts over extended period.
i've never yet seen any claims where MMS has cleared the HCV,
but have seen a bunch where CS has.  MMS has shown (from the
folks on lists i read) to be able to manage viral load but
not clear it... for that, CS is much more pleasant at least.
i'm glad to have enough sodium chlorite flakes stashed to
last the remainder of my most optimistic lifespan estimate,
but would rather it still be mostly stashed at the end of the road.
i have TT (Ag4O4) in the form of Silspa which seems to work
pretty much like CS when added to water 1 cc per liter (i
think that makes about 10ppm), and it doesn't cause fallout,
discoloration, or change a meter reading when added to CS.
i'm thinking about trying adding it to my CS for the last
month of this heavy CS experiment.  in fact, i'll start that today.

cheers,
bobL



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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Faith Gagne]

Thanks Marshall.  That ought to keep me busy.  Faith g.


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4



Faith Gagne wrote:

Matshall, I do not know what this is.  Faith G.

http://www.rexresearch.com/antelman/silverox.htm
http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1394
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5986534/Pure-H2O-Bio-Technologies-Inc.html
http://www.pureh20biotech.com/page.php?4

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/aids.html
There is a documented cure on tetrosilver tetraoxide with one single IV 
drip in killing of the AIDS.


Some patents on tetrasilver tetroxide. Colloidal silver with 0.5% H2O2 is 
a great alternative.


Marshall





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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Gayla Roberts]

Thank you Marshall.
Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com 

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4



Gayla Roberts wrote:
And what would you do with your tetrasilver tetraoxide? (Shouldn't 
that be Ag505?)


It is reportedly superior to CS for some things, such as AIDS.

Marshall

Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[Dan Nave]

Bob,

Try using castor oil packs in conjunction with the CS treatments.

The castor oil packs will help heal the liver/gallbladder and soften up
the tissues so that circulation can get to the whole area.

Dan

> -Original Message-
> From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:04 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
> 
> ...yup.  tried it various ways from last fall until Jan.  no 
> better than CS for my hep-C, and much more complicated and 
> vile.  i'm currently drinking almost a liter/day of CS, 3rd 
> month now and will stop at 4 mos... then go back on the MMS 
> for awhile.  i believe the MMS takes a heavier toll on the 
> body than CS when used in large amounts over extended period.
> i've never yet seen any claims where MMS has cleared the HCV, 
> but have seen a bunch where CS has.  MMS has shown (from the 
> folks on lists i read) to be able to manage viral load but 
> not clear it... for that, CS is much more pleasant at least.
> i'm glad to have enough sodium chlorite flakes stashed to 
> last the remainder of my most optimistic lifespan estimate, 
> but would rather it still be mostly stashed at the end of the road.
> i have TT (Ag4O4) in the form of Silspa which seems to work 
> pretty much like CS when added to water 1 cc per liter (i 
> think that makes about 10ppm), and it doesn't cause fallout, 
> discoloration, or change a meter reading when added to CS.  
> i'm thinking about trying adding it to my CS for the last 
> month of this heavy CS experiment.  in fact, i'll start that today.
> 
> cheers,
> bobL


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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Gayla Roberts]

Have you checked yourself for pinworms?
Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com 

  - Original Message - 
  From: bob Larson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:38 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4


  thanks Dee.

  by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've had a rectal 
itch that's pretty maddening sometimes.  

Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Marshall Dudley]

Gayla Roberts wrote:
And what would you do with your tetrasilver tetraoxide? (Shouldn't 
that be Ag505?)


It is reportedly superior to CS for some things, such as AIDS.

Marshall

Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com


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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Marshall Dudley]

Faith Gagne wrote:

Matshall, I do not know what this is.  Faith G.

http://www.rexresearch.com/antelman/silverox.htm
http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1394
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5986534/Pure-H2O-Bio-Technologies-Inc.html
http://www.pureh20biotech.com/page.php?4

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/aids.html
There is a documented cure on tetrosilver tetraoxide with one single IV 
drip in killing of the AIDS.


Some patents on tetrasilver tetroxide. Colloidal silver with 0.5% H2O2 
is a great alternative.


Marshall


- Original Message
- From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To:

Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: CS>Ag4O4



I

just received these instructions on how to make tetrasilver tetraoxide.




Marshall





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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Clayton Family]

Bob,

As one of the hyper-sensitive, I appreciate your restraint. I usually 
read my email while having my first cup of coffee


Have you tried any of the various kinds of probiotics? If it is an 
imbalance in the gut flora, that ought to fix it. My favorites are 
plain old acidophilous (in the fridge section) and Garden of Life 
probiotic. Also I eat soy yogurt with live stuff.


The other thing that comes to mind is that there are various parasites 
that can cause rectal itching, some only come out at night.


Hope your regimen is helping with the hepc.

kathryn

On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:38 AM, bob Larson wrote:


thanks Dee.
 
by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've had a 
rectal itch that's pretty maddening sometimes.  no problem usually 
while busy working or running around doing stuff, but when more 
relaxed i find myself scratching to the point of ... (needless 
graphic description skipped to coddle the hyper-sensitive).

 
cheers,
bobL



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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[Dee]

I wonder what could cause that?  Thanks for the 'too much information'
sensitivity, but I think we are all a pretty hardened lot on here with all
the different problems there are.  After all, who knows, maybe someone can
come up with an explanation.  If you don't mention something then you never
find the answer eh? Dee 

---Original Message---

From: bob Larson
Date: 10/06/2008 13:38:22
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
 
thanks Dee.
 
by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've had a rectal
itch that's pretty maddening sometimes.  no problem usually while busy
working or running around doing stuff, but when more relaxed i find myself
scratching to the point of ... (needless graphic description skipped to
coddle the hyper-sensitive).
 
cheers,
bobL

RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

thanks Dee.

by the way, since i've been drinking so much CS for 3 mos i've had a rectal
itch that's pretty maddening sometimes.  no problem usually while busy
working or running around doing stuff, but when more relaxed i find myself
scratching to the point of ... (needless graphic description skipped to
coddle the hyper-sensitive).

cheers,
bobL
  -Original Message-
  From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:12 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4


Good luck with everything, BobL.  Dee

---Original Message---

From: bob Larson
Date: 06/10/08 13:04:43
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
        Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4

...yup.  tried it various ways from last fall until Jan.  no better
than CS
for my hep-C, and much more complicated and vile.  i'm currently
drinking
almost a liter/day of CS, 3rd month now and will stop at 4 mos...
then go
back on the MMS for awhile.  i believe the MMS takes a heavier toll
on the
body than CS when used in large amounts over extended period.
i've never yet seen any claims where MMS has cleared the HCV, but
have seen
a bunch where CS has.

RE: CS>Ag4O4

[Dee]

Good luck with everything, BobL.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: bob Larson
Date: 06/10/08 13:04:43
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4
 
...yup.  tried it various ways from last fall until Jan.  no better than CS
for my hep-C, and much more complicated and vile.  i'm currently drinking
almost a liter/day of CS, 3rd month now and will stop at 4 mos... then go
back on the MMS for awhile.  i believe the MMS takes a heavier toll on the
body than CS when used in large amounts over extended period.
i've never yet seen any claims where MMS has cleared the HCV, but have seen
a bunch where CS has.  

RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

...yup.  tried it various ways from last fall until Jan.  no better than CS
for my hep-C, and much more complicated and vile.  i'm currently drinking
almost a liter/day of CS, 3rd month now and will stop at 4 mos... then go
back on the MMS for awhile.  i believe the MMS takes a heavier toll on the
body than CS when used in large amounts over extended period.
i've never yet seen any claims where MMS has cleared the HCV, but have seen
a bunch where CS has.  MMS has shown (from the folks on lists i read) to be
able to manage viral load but not clear it... for that, CS is much more
pleasant at least.
i'm glad to have enough sodium chlorite flakes stashed to last the remainder
of my most optimistic lifespan estimate, but would rather it still be mostly
stashed at the end of the road.
i have TT (Ag4O4) in the form of Silspa which seems to work pretty much like
CS when added to water 1 cc per liter (i think that makes about 10ppm), and
it doesn't cause fallout, discoloration, or change a meter reading when
added to CS.  i'm thinking about trying adding it to my CS for the last
month of this heavy CS experiment.  in fact, i'll start that today.

cheers,
bobL

> -Original Message-
> From: Smitty [mailto:papad...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:49 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4
>
>
> >  according to a patent abstract by Antelman who cured boyd
> graves, IV enough
> >  in one sitting to make the blood 40 ppm TT and no more HIV.  the liver
> >  enlarges but apparently mellows out later.
> >  boyd graves is a naval academy grad and lawyer, and has researched the
> >  origins of HIV, tracing it back to government engineering
> (biowarfare)...
> >  he's on a crusade to expose that, and is/was also involved in trials in
> >  africa (zambia) using TT to treat HIV/AIDS that he told me
> last year were
> >  ongoing and doing well...
>
> Bob:
> Do you know about MMS that cures AIDS and malaria ?
>
> http://www.miraclemineral.org/
>
> Smitty


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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Paula Perry]

Marshall,
Would it be possible to send the instructions without using an attachment?
My computer won't let  me open it.
Thanks.
Paula

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: CS>Ag4O4


> I just received these instructions on how to make tetrasilver tetraoxide.
>
> Marshall
>


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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Gayla Roberts]

OOPS Showing my ignorance. Duh!
Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com 

- Original Message - 
From: "Clayton Family" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4



my, my. Tetra means four, so no, probably not.   


On Jun 9, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Gayla Roberts wrote:

And what would you do with your tetrasilver tetraoxide? (Shouldn't 
that be Ag505?)

Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com



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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Smitty]

>  according to a patent abstract by Antelman who cured boyd graves, IV enough
>  in one sitting to make the blood 40 ppm TT and no more HIV.  the liver
>  enlarges but apparently mellows out later.
>  boyd graves is a naval academy grad and lawyer, and has researched the
>  origins of HIV, tracing it back to government engineering (biowarfare)...
>  he's on a crusade to expose that, and is/was also involved in trials in
>  africa (zambia) using TT to treat HIV/AIDS that he told me last year were
>  ongoing and doing well...

Bob:
Do you know about MMS that cures AIDS and malaria ?

http://www.miraclemineral.org/

Smitty


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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

no, Ag4O4 is correct.

according to a patent abstract by Antelman who cured boyd graves, IV enough
in one sitting to make the blood 40 ppm TT and no more HIV.  the liver
enlarges but apparently mellows out later.
boyd graves is a naval academy grad and lawyer, and has researched the
origins of HIV, tracing it back to government engineering (biowarfare)...
he's on a crusade to expose that, and is/was also involved in trials in
africa (zambia) using TT to treat HIV/AIDS that he told me last year were
ongoing and doing well...

i'd like to try it for hep-C, if what i'm doing now doesn't clear it.

> -Original Message-
> From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:17 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4
>
>
> And what would you do with your tetrasilver tetraoxide?
> (Shouldn't that be
> Ag505?)
> Gayla Roberts
> Always Enough Ranch
> Acampo, California
> aera...@gmail.com


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RE: CS>Ag4O4

[bob Larson]

thanks!

> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:58 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Ag4O4
> 
> 
> I just received these instructions on how to make tetrasilver tetraoxide.
> 
> Marshall
> 


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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Clayton Family]

my, my. Tetra means four, so no, probably not.   


On Jun 9, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Gayla Roberts wrote:

And what would you do with your tetrasilver tetraoxide? (Shouldn't 
that be Ag505?)

Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com



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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Gayla Roberts]

And what would you do with your tetrasilver tetraoxide? (Shouldn't that be 
Ag505?)

Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com


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Re: CS>Ag4O4

[Faith Gagne]

Matshall, I do not know what this is.  Faith G.

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: CS>Ag4O4



I just received these instructions on how to make tetrasilver tetraoxide.

Marshall




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