Re: [biofuel] FW: [Distillers] Continuous still ?
Sir, have you worked any more on you thoughts of a continuous still? If so I would love to know where you are at on the idea and if it would work on a small scale. Thank you ... terry calmes From: Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' biofuel@yahoogroups.com CC: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] FW: [Distillers] Continuous still ? Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:21:30 - -Original Message- From: Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS) Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Distillers] Continuous still ? First point to note ...I've mixed up my terms ... the new section below the feed point is actually a stripping section; the standard column above this is the rectifying section (not the other way round!) - thanks Mike Tim, I'd considered some sort of bleed-off for the other fractions, but the sticking point was knowing what sort of flowrate you'd get of each of them. e.g. off a 20L wash, I'd be surprised if there were more than a few mL of the tails present (in concentrated form). So, even if they were being carried in a mostly ethanol stream at the different heights, you'd still only want to limit their collection to a VERY slow drip. But I couldn't see how to do this accurately. Then I got to thinking, that if the total volume of wash was still say less than 100-200L (plenty for personal consumption !), then there would still only be a small total amount of tails, and it might be likely that they could either be fully retained within the column (at their own level), or likely to find their way out with the continuously discarded bottoms. I'm figuring that even as a continuous still, it is limited to batch running, and doesn't have quite the same concerns as something designed to run continuously for months at a time ? Its hard to know, given we don't know the relevant concentrations of them in the incoming wash. But what you suggest is an easy enough modification to make, should my guessing be wrong. Ted, Good thinking... my plan was to try and keep it as simple as possible, without using anything fancy (not even a pump) or extra - see if I could do it as a simple add-on to a normal column...but you got me thinking more about trying to use the condenser, rather than the boiler. I originally had problems with seeing how to pass the wash through the condenser coil (as my present one has quite a large pressure drop - doubtful that a simple gravity feed system would push through it). But - how about a cold finger design ? It doesn't have to be perfect - just as long as the feed does a fair chunk of its heating up there, it is freeing up the boiler to make the vapour. And keep the water cooled coil above it, for backup in times of low wash feedrate. The coldfinger could be a large diameter, with little pressure drop. The way I have my condenser at present, this could easily be added as a separate unit between the condenser and the metering valve - no modifications required. The only downside of not perfectly heating (or superheating) the feed is that it will use a bit more of the column to heat up - so get a small dead zone not doing much below the feed point, other than transferring heat - no dramas - just make the stripping section a little bit longer. I've included a second diagram - not to scale, but to show the layout By taking the coil out of the boiler, the boiler could be made even smaller. The new problem that this introduces is that the wash barrel now has to be higher than the top of everything - probably a couple of meters up. Need someway of getting it on top of a ladder, or using a header tank (and pump, damm !) I'll do the maths this evening and see how using the condenser for some preheating changes the flowrates etc. thanks for the input. Tony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the only thing going on is the begining of a scam. these numbers look like an outright fabrication. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. Scuze me folks, like I said, EPA is not God. Spence IS!!! };^) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
In some of the test that claim they got better milage and such, some investigations found out that the people tuned the engine up after the put the magnets on then ran the 2nd part of the test.. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The EPA has test all the magic magnet devices and even some of those magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe and other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one device based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the company say it's EPA certified, it's BS. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], beeteljeuse beelzebub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was involuntarily detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. They feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out of the ordinary. It was a stone-cold stock '68 Plymouth Valient that with absolutely no emissions controls, that was getting extremely lower emissions than that of brand new cars that were being checked. There are many things on the EPA lists of things that do not work that we have found benifits. You say that they have tested all the magic magnet devices. I say impossible. There are some that a select few people even know about that are in the trial stages now. How does EPA test those?? EPA is not God. Trust them like you would the oil and gas crooks. The man that did the magnet test on the gen set paid over $10,000 on a professional gas analyser to test emissions and air/fuel ratios. Here is a quote from my previous post that no one seemed to comment about. The AFR was adjusted and a further test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR was meassured as being 21.5/1. When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, the HC reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is going on for there sure. As for the air/fuel ratio, it was obtained by his own invention. A vaporizing carburetor that he plans to market in the near future. Also note the HC readings measured in parts per million goes down after removing the magnets. It does not take a rocket scientist or an EPA goon to notice that, like the man said, Something is going on for sure. Driving conditions did not come into play with this test and the generator was under the same load in all the testing. Have Fun, Sam Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they get all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially when it's not evidence that they themselves have seen, but are parroting from someone else. so and so told me, or I saw a video doesn't cut it. show me peer reviewed science that proves the claims, explains the science, or shut up about this crap. It's heartening to see that some folks can still think logically, and not get caught up in the religious fervor. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. In some of the test that claim they got better milage and such, some investigations found out that the people tuned the engine up after the put the magnets on then ran the 2nd part of the test.. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The EPA has test all the magic magnet devices and even some of those magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe and other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one device based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the company say it's EPA certified, it's BS. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], beeteljeuse beelzebub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was involuntarily detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. They feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out of the ordinary. It was a stone-cold stock '68 Plymouth Valient that with absolutely no emissions controls, that was getting extremely lower emissions than that of brand new cars that were being checked. There are many things on the EPA lists of things that do not work that we have found benifits. You say that they have tested all the magic magnet devices. I say impossible. There are some that a select few people even know about that are in the trial stages now. How does EPA test those?? EPA is not God. Trust them like you would the oil and gas crooks. The man that did the magnet test on the gen set paid over $10,000 on a professional gas analyser to test emissions and air/fuel ratios. Here is a quote from my previous post that no one seemed to comment about. The AFR was adjusted and a further test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR was meassured as being 21.5/1. When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, the HC reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is going on for there sure. As for the air/fuel ratio, it was obtained by his own invention. A vaporizing carburetor that he plans to market in the near future. Also note the HC readings measured in parts per million goes down after removing the magnets. It does not take a rocket scientist or an EPA goon to notice that, like the man said, Something is going on for sure. Driving conditions did not come into play with this test and the generator was under the same load in all the testing. Have Fun, Sam Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] costs of ingredeints to produce biodiesel from rapeseed oil
No - other way round Caustic soda - lye - is 99.5% dehydrated and cheap KOH is usually 85% and not so cheap Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] German biodiesel standard
Can't do much more than put it on my site Try www.biofuels.fsnet.co.uk/din51606.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] I want to brew my first batch of biodiesel
I want to brew some biodiesel, im not a chemist, but i have read mike pelleys recipe several times, and i understand most of it. Im going to have to start by buying the pieces like the big pot to heat it in, i can make a jig for the stirring pretty easily, but after that i get kind of confused. Is the pot i cook it in supposed to have a spout at the bottom to drain out the biodiesel?? and after its seperated from cooking and then drained I will have to wash it, will i need another special pot for that?? I will ask my questions piece by piece so i can understand them better. where do i get methanol and lye?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] German biodiesel standard
Sorry - link not working Must learn how to drive this thing! Try www.biodiesel.de and look for the biodiesel2000 section - I think I found it there Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] REMOME NAME PLEASE
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Re: [biofuel] More on Jerusalem artichokes
Hi Harry Thanks for those references Keith, they will be very useful. You're most welcome, I'm glad you can use them. produce enough food to go around. Until I observe a change in the way wealth, and food, are distributed I must insist that we do all we can to increase the total production of food and services to humans. When so many Well, you see, the last time this came up, quite recently (it comes up every so often), I caused a furore by saying that hungry people don't starve because of a shortage of food but because of an inequitable economic system. It's all in the message archives, quite interesting. So this time I thought I'd refrain. :-) Of course I agree with you, but I think increasing production has got a bad record. Too often it's tended to increase the rich-poor gap, exclude the poor even further, and cause yet more environmental degradation. The Green Revolution is a classic case, though far from the only one. It helped all the wrong people. It might make more sense instead to remove some of the constraints on production at the small farms level. These programs always purport to be helping small farmers, yet they invariably have a minimum size cut-off point, confining the assistance to big farmers. Trickle-down will do the rest, we're told. Removing such constraints often means confronting the inequities which hold these people down and which are the real cause of their parlous situation, not any lack of productive capability. There are plenty of success stories along these lines, but you don't hear of them much. I am in an unstable phase in regards to my position on Ecological Sustainability and population. That sounds healthy! It's no place for comfortable certitudes. If we are in fact in denial and consequentially get it wrong we and the rest of biodiversity may only survive in pockets, despite what WE do the poor may destroy the biosphere in THEIR attempt to survive. Even the references you gave in regards to food production (and they are amongst the best) leave an after taste of closure, of hope rather than reason. I think they're quite positive, really. They're activists and campaigners, quite effective. They don't see it as hopeless. Nor do I. The food import figures you quote may indicate the capacity of the populations concerned to pay for imports including food and I'm sure that you are aware of this aspect, indeed that is my real concern. If we were right why did we go to such convolutions to justify our position. Various prime growing areas in Third World countries, together totalling an area five times the size of Holland, are devoted to growing cattle feed for Dutch cattle, at preferential rates. They should be growing food for their own people, or at least commodities they got a fair price for or could add their own value to. The Dutch turn it into various surpluses - beef mountains, dairy lakes. And use a lot of their own land to grow tulips, which they get a good price for. And of course their farmers are subsidized. I'm not picking on the Dutch. It's not an isolated case, just the one that springs to mind. Doesn't have much to do with feeding people, does it? Market forces inevitably move money, commodities, goods, resources, towards those with surplus resources, away from those with inadequate resources. The winds of free trade favour the ships with the big sails. A truly free market would require a lot of regulation and intervention, rather than less and less, the recipe currently promoted with increasing success by the free marketeers (read corporate interests). We are rewarded for our silence and inaction via enhanced opportunities for conspicuous consumption. Growing numbers are rejecting this with increasing vehemence. One could argue that the world never was sustainable simply because starvation related disease always existed. As it stands the fat or greedy fail to leave enough to feed the poor and that means that the world does NOT produce enough food to go around. It does, but for the fat and greedy. So which is the better solution, to produce more food or rein in the fat and greedy? Greed knows no limits, is never satisfied. There have been many traditional societies and traditional systems which proved sustainable, some still are. Until I observe a change in the way wealth, and food, are distributed I must insist that we do all we can to increase the total production of food and services to humans. When so many depend on the scraps from a rich man's table the apparent solution is more food for the rich resulting in more scraps for the poor. But it doesn't work that way. The position of the poor doesn't improve via some sort of upward suction effect, it gets worse. The gap widens. We are attempting to reduce our waste and effective consumption by recycling, while we are at it we reduce our environmental impact. These are good things. We should, though, take care that cleaner production at the farm level
RE: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
$2 a pound for KOH? How much does KCl cost? -Original Message- From: Gary and Jos Kimlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 5:26 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol Paul my next batch will be with cotton seed oil. I intend to use the twostage with KOH rather than NaOH. The best I can do with NaOH seems to be 80-85% pure, I suspect that leaves too much water to avoid soaps. I'll take your advice and wash and dry it. I'll let you know how it goes. The oil collectors here buy the oil and sell to a soap factory. I'll need more experience to determine the break even point on oil cost, so far KOH is $100/25kg and Methanol $30/20l drum. I need to calculate the average energy cost. Any experience using glycerin as a heating fuel? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] German biodiesel standard
Hi James, I was asking this morning if there is any English counterpart of this German standard. I got the answer from biofuel that there exist ASTM PS121-99 provisional USX standard but you can look at www.astm.org andfind out that you can buy it for 30 bucks (30 US $). I suppose that the same will be with this DIN 51606 standard - you will have to pay for it probably. I do not know the German web site where to find it. jan surowka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
Hi All, For those who are reclaiming methanol what % of the methanol do you get back? I assume vacuum recovery method. Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: What about making engine oil?
Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm So am I. Along with being a paramedic. Sounds scary all of a sudden. ;-) [snip] Before you laugh too hard at the idea you'll find someone's already doing it. http://www.agromgt.com/ http://www.greatplainsoil.com/amg2000.htm http://www.kiowacountycolo.com/sf-oil.htm http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1999/v4-247.html What they're finding is properly formulated vegetable based motor oils are superior to petroleum based motor oils. The Purdue report makes very interesting reading. Agro Management's AMG-2000 product is interesting. They've gotten the United States Post Office in Grand Rapids, Michigan to use it in some of their delivery vehicles with interesting results. Their web site design is lousy, and they don't have any good links to the results, but if you use their search function and enter michigan you'll get a list of links. Happy reading! -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Hi Steve and All, --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they get all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially when it's not evidence that they themselves have seen, but are parroting from someone else. Notice that they haven't tried the idle method to check if there is a difference. It's easy, cheap and reliable. Come on guy's take your magnets off and see if the rpm falls. If it truely works the rpm will fall 100 rpm and rise when put back on. Maybe they did but don't want to admit it. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: What about making engine oil?
Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm So am I. Along with being a paramedic. Sounds scary all of a sudden. ;-) [snip] Before you laugh too hard at the idea you'll find someone's already doing it. Yep. Now we have biofuel, bio-oil, maybe we'll get to the bottom of the anti-freeze question, so what about brake-fluid? Is silicon fluid bio? I suppose not. After that all we'll have to worry about is all the fossil fuel used in manufacturing the vehicles. Surely but a simple nut to crack. :-) Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ http://www.agromgt.com/ http://www.greatplainsoil.com/amg2000.htm http://www.kiowacountycolo.com/sf-oil.htm http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1999/v4-247.html What they're finding is properly formulated vegetable based motor oils are superior to petroleum based motor oils. The Purdue report makes very interesting reading. Agro Management's AMG-2000 product is interesting. They've gotten the United States Post Office in Grand Rapids, Michigan to use it in some of their delivery vehicles with interesting results. Their web site design is lousy, and they don't have any good links to the results, but if you use their search function and enter michigan you'll get a list of links. Happy reading! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] German biodiesel standard
I wonder if anyone knows of a web address where I can view the German biodiesel standard DIN 51606. (German language is fine) James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] German biodiesel standard
There is no British standard as yet - CEN standard is due next year and should be in force by the end of 2003. UK will probably adopt DIN51606 as interim measure Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] German biodiesel standard
OK, it works now - had to strip it out a bit German, Austrian and US specs no on www.biofuels.fsnet.co.uk/din51606.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
You want the webpage as well? I see 4 high school students here got suspended for making a bomb that demolished an outdoor toilet block from a recipe and how to page they found on the web. The Timothy McVeighs of this world dont die so easy eh? B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? firemen, making alternative fuels. hmmm you guys like things that go bang as well? ;-) Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more on Jerusalem artichokes
Marc, Contacted the curator and heard back the next day. Then asked for info and trial seed mentioning that it was for the Phillipines but have not heard back yet. Perhaps info is in transit. Have just sent them another e-mail this morning to find out where things are at. B.r., David - Original Message - From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel List biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: [biofuel] more on Jerusalem artichokes Subject: Re: More on Jerusalem artichokes Steve Spence wrote: my father in law just plowed under 2 acres of Jerusalem artichokes. they keep coming up and he can't get rid of them :-( The books do say that volunteer plants are a problem with all the sunflower family. Wish he could send the tubers over here - I can't find any starter stock! Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Sam, How could you have got it so wrong. He is not I am. When you give me reasonable proof I will support you and install one myself. Until then I remain sceptical and aloof. B.r., David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:25 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the only thing going on is the begining of a scam. these numbers look like an outright fabrication. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. Scuze me folks, like I said, EPA is not God. Spence IS!!! };^) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] CMS Paragon mini turbine
Hi David C and others who are interested, Just received the following reply re Paragon mini turbine. B.r., David Mr Reid: As EPI is currently testing our first unit at a land fill site in New Jersey, firm technical data and costs will not be available until such time as testing is complete and we are moving toward full production. We can only predict that this will occur sometime this year. It is our intent to test our (CMS) field unit in Canada on a flare gas application. Thank you for your interest. Kyle King Canadian Microturbine Systems David Reid wrote: Jim, Would like some more info on your Paragon series Micro Turbine at some point (no hurry) including indicative prices. Thanks. Best regards, David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] 78 Wade River Rd, Whangaparaoa, Auckland 1463, New Zealand -- Jim Fiddler -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] CMS Paragon mini turbine
Hi David R., Thanks for the info. Off the topic of miniturbines---What is the best way to figure the cost per gallon of the biodiesel you make, is there a general formula or do you have to figure down to the smallest expense you incur , and tally everything up, and then do an average on the whole thing ? Just wondering ! David C. - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] CMS Paragon mini turbine Hi David C and others who are interested, Just received the following reply re Paragon mini turbine. B.r., David Mr Reid: As EPI is currently testing our first unit at a land fill site in New Jersey, firm technical data and costs will not be available until such time as testing is complete and we are moving toward full production. We can only predict that this will occur sometime this year. It is our intent to test our (CMS) field unit in Canada on a flare gas application. Thank you for your interest. Kyle King Canadian Microturbine Systems David Reid wrote: Jim, Would like some more info on your Paragon series Micro Turbine at some point (no hurry) including indicative prices. Thanks. Best regards, David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] 78 Wade River Rd, Whangaparaoa, Auckland 1463, New Zealand -- Jim Fiddler -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] biodiesel standard
The standards can be found at http://www.biodiesel-intl.com/standards_e/haupt.htm http://www.wisa-lab.de/Rapsoel.htm gives the relevent test numbers, unfortuantley, I've not found where to get details of the tests other than buying them. Simon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
In retirement I edit PHD thesis for pocket money, I've probably learnt more this way than any other. One thing I have learnt: Whatever method they use, any of us should be able to duplicate the results by following the procedure as reported, all else is BS. Harry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
I did the indoor toilet with an m80, but that was 20 years ago. surly the statute of limitations has run out? ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? You want the webpage as well? I see 4 high school students here got suspended for making a bomb that demolished an outdoor toilet block from a recipe and how to page they found on the web. The Timothy McVeighs of this world dont die so easy eh? B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? firemen, making alternative fuels. hmmm you guys like things that go bang as well? ;-) Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
It's really funny that they claim a 10-24% increase in milage and HP yet the emitions are cut by 70-80%. To me, it just doesn't seem to be right. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they get all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially when it's not evidence that they themselves have seen, but are parroting from someone else. so and so told me, or I saw a video doesn't cut it. show me peer reviewed science that proves the claims, explains the science, or shut up about this crap. It's heartening to see that some folks can still think logically, and not get caught up in the religious fervor. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. In some of the test that claim they got better milage and such, some investigations found out that the people tuned the engine up after the put the magnets on then ran the 2nd part of the test.. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The EPA has test all the magic magnet devices and even some of those magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe and other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one device based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the company say it's EPA certified, it's BS. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], beeteljeuse beelzebub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was involuntarily detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. They feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out of the ordinary. It was a stone-cold stock '68 Plymouth Valient that with absolutely no emissions controls, that was getting extremely lower emissions than that of brand new cars that were being checked. There are many things on the EPA lists of things that do not work that we have found benifits. You say that they have tested all the magic magnet devices. I say impossible. There are some that a select few people even know about that are in the trial stages now. How does EPA test those?? EPA is not God. Trust them like you would the oil and gas crooks. The man that did the magnet test on the gen set paid over $10,000 on a professional gas analyser to test emissions and air/fuel ratios. Here is a quote from my previous post that no one seemed to comment about. The AFR was adjusted and a further test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR was meassured as being 21.5/1. When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, the HC reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is going on for there sure. As for the air/fuel ratio, it was obtained by his own invention. A vaporizing carburetor that he plans to market in the near future. Also note the HC readings measured in parts per million goes down after removing the magnets. It does not take a rocket scientist or an EPA goon to notice that, like the man said, Something is going on for sure. Driving conditions did not come into play with this test and the generator was under the same load in all the testing. Have Fun, Sam Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
I tried it in my Nissan Pathfinder V6 EFI 1995 model, and got a smoother running engine. It felt like you are adding octane booster to the fuel tank. Here is how I did it. I placed an extremely powerful magnet (one that can cause small injuries if you are not careful), 1x2x1/4in., on top of the fuel line (rubber) after the fuel filter and before the injectors and taped it.. The result was an instant smoother engine. I tried to drive it around and it was really smoother and quiieter. It might just be my imagination . The next day, I put another magnet on the opposite side of the first magnet. So the rubber hose was already in between the 2 magnets. I taped the magnets together, thinking it would further improve the smoothness or increase the power. But the result was the opposite. The power and smoothness was lesser than when using one magnet only. So now, I removed the magnet below and left the one on top, as is, and still enjoyed the smoothness of the engine. I still can't believe it worked. I did not do any adjustment. John - Original Message - From: steve spence To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they get all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially when it's not evidence that they themselves have seen, but are parroting from someone else. so and so told me, or I saw a video doesn't cut it. show me peer reviewed science that proves the claims, explains the science, or shut up about this crap. It's heartening to see that some folks can still think logically, and not get caught up in the religious fervor. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. In some of the test that claim they got better milage and such, some investigations found out that the people tuned the engine up after the put the magnets on then ran the 2nd part of the test.. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The EPA has test all the magic magnet devices and even some of those magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe and other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one device based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the company say it's EPA certified, it's BS. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], beeteljeuse beelzebub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was involuntarily detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. They feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out of the ordinary. It was a stone-cold stock '68 Plymouth Valient that with absolutely no emissions controls, that was getting extremely lower emissions than that of brand new cars that were being checked. There are many things on the EPA lists of things that do not work that we have found benifits. You say that they have tested all the magic magnet devices. I say impossible. There are some that a select few people even know about that are in the trial stages now. How does EPA test those?? EPA is not God. Trust them like you would the oil and gas crooks. The man that did the magnet test on the gen set paid over $10,000 on a professional gas analyser to test emissions and air/fuel ratios. Here is a quote from my previous post that no one seemed to comment about. The AFR was adjusted and a further test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR was meassured as being 21.5/1. When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, the HC reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is going on for there sure. As for the air/fuel ratio, it was obtained by his own invention. A vaporizing carburetor that he
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel standard
I was told by my local trading standards office that they would be happy if bio diesel came up to BS EN590 standard. Does anyone know what this is . bob golding - Original Message - From: simon_wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] biodiesel standard The standards can be found at http://www.biodiesel-intl.com/standards_e/haupt.htm http://www.wisa-lab.de/Rapsoel.htm gives the relevent test numbers, unfortuantley, I've not found where to get details of the tests other than buying them. Simon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bouncing mail
I'm getting it too. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: [biofuel] bouncing mail Is anyone else getting Permanent Delivery Failure messages from [EMAIL PROTECTED] after posting to the list saying their message could not be delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know this happened to another list member a couple of weeks ago, now it's happening to me. It says Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation, which should be Mr Doval's problem or Helbig.com's problem or Yahoo's problem but not ours. He is a list member, by the way, but Yahoo has no record of his mail bouncing. I wrote to Mr Doval but it bounced. Of course. If anyone else is being bothered I'll unsubscribe him. Thanks Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] of magnets and testing
i fully realize that this is basically a discussion forum, not a posting board for eccentric experiments. still, i find that one way of defending a position in a discussion is by describing the results obtained in actual trials. i find that there are theorists who will either support or reject a given idea without ever having tried it out. and then i find that there are those who will try the idea out, and find it did work for them, or that it did not. the first posture is an invitation to extended exchange of arguments, the participants choosing feeling over facts. the second posture promotes feedback, and further testing, either for or against. this attitude chooses facts over feelings. of all the postings on magnets, and fuel economy, the only posting i've read so far that is pretty much factual is john li's. it's missing some information, which i will request in the post itself, but otherwise is straightforward and to the point. it makes no assumptions, just shares results. i think this sort of attitude is of greater benefit to all of us, than sterile discussions based on feelings. thanks john for trying it out, and sharing with us. more in your post. From: John Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: magnets in fuel line. I tried it in my Nissan Pathfinder V6 EFI 1995 model, and got a smoother running engine. It felt like you are adding octane booster to the fuel tank. Here is how I did it. I placed an extremely powerful magnet (one that can cause small injuries if you are not careful), 1x2x1/4in., on top of the fuel line (rubber) after the fuel filter and before the injectors and taped it.. The result was an instant smoother engine. I tried to drive it around and it was really smoother and quiieter. It might just be my imagination . The next day, I put another magnet on the opposite side of the first magnet. So the rubber hose was already in between the 2 magnets. I taped the magnets together, thinking it would further improve the smoothness or increase the power. But the result was the opposite. The power and smoothness was lesser than when using one magnet only. So now, I removed the magnet below and left the one on top, as is, and still enjoyed the smoothness of the engine. I still can't believe it worked. I did not do any adjustment. *questions john : 1) type magnet ? (ie ceramic, etc) 2) origin of same (model, etc. if available) 3) i take it your fuel line feeds all injectors ? i am not familiar with your engine's layout. 4) how far from the nearest injector did you place the magnet ? 5) did you do a polarity test, if yes, what pole was in contact with the fuel line 6) when you put the other magnet on, did you again do a polarity test, or at least check to see if the magnets attracted or repelled each other ? 7) i assume the magnets did not touch ? 8) notice any difference when starting the engine ? 9) notice any difference in the idling speed ? (i personally don't think this is significant. all engines i've worked on run rich at idle) 10) was more low end torque available ? *thanks for the time john. off to the farm, will eagerly read the postings come next saturday. *regards to all, dick. *ps : please notice my elegant, time saving, considerate SNIPPING.(:-D) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] bouncing mail
Is anyone else getting Permanent Delivery Failure messages from [EMAIL PROTECTED] after posting to the list saying their message could not be delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know this happened to another list member a couple of weeks ago, now it's happening to me. It says Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation, which should be Mr Doval's problem or Helbig.com's problem or Yahoo's problem but not ours. He is a list member, by the way, but Yahoo has no record of his mail bouncing. I wrote to Mr Doval but it bounced. Of course. If anyone else is being bothered I'll unsubscribe him. Thanks Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel standard
Trading standards only comes into it, in UK, when you make a claim to something or when complying with law. Does not apply at present, provided you do not make false claims. Bob, if in the UK, please contact direct Terry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: I want to brew my first batch of biodiesel
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric: You need in terms of vessels: 1. a large reaction vessel with some sort of stirring. A bottom spigot is usefull but not necessary. You can top off your ester. 2. a smaller vessel (25% min of larger) for methoxide preparation with some kind of stirring also - spigot is optional 3. a plastic washing vessel at least 1.5 times as big as the main reaction vessel. Again, bottom spigot is a useful option. ... and, yes, biodiesel has to be washed. Reactants awailability depends on where you live. Browse the archive of the group. Cheers, Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Ruling - Re: [biofuel] of magnets and testing
Hi Dick and all I pretty much agree with you, Dick, with the exception that while John Li's posting was interesting, I don't think it was very useful. I don't want to be discouraging, but subjective impressions such as smoother and quieter don't really add much, and don't impress the sceptics. Same goes for It didn't work for me - what exactly didn't work? There are a lot of variables. Meanwhile people are getting annoyed, and it's bordering on a flame war. Much of this thread is a pointless argument between true believers (alleged to be incapable of rational thought) and sceptics (said to have closed minds). Well, there should be room for both dreamers (dreaming is not necessarily idle or foolish) and sceptics (too much scepticism can be just as foolish as too much dreaming), and God forbid the one without the other. But if they can't meet halfway, and it seems they can't, then tempers will get frayed and nothing achieved. It's up to those making claims for magnets improving performance-efficiency to prove it, not up to those who disagree to disprove it. We haven't had much that's substantive. Impressions, yes. Sam's results were second-hand, and all of us might not have spare engines and $10,000 in test equipment to throw at the problem. Dick's questions below for John Li are a good starting point. Harry's comment is relevant: Whatever method they use, any of us should be able to duplicate the results by following the procedure as reported, all else is BS. So, anyone who wants to experiment with magnets, please go ahead. But let's not have any further discussion on this subject unless it's substantive, not just subjective, and provides some results that are replicable. It can be difficult to elimate subjective factors. For instance, when doing mileage tests it's very easy to be much more feather-footed than usual, without realising it. If we can apply some rigour to this question we'll have done something useful, whatever the results. If not, it'll just be divisive. All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner i fully realize that this is basically a discussion forum, not a posting board for eccentric experiments. still, i find that one way of defending a position in a discussion is by describing the results obtained in actual trials. i find that there are theorists who will either support or reject a given idea without ever having tried it out. and then i find that there are those who will try the idea out, and find it did work for them, or that it did not. the first posture is an invitation to extended exchange of arguments, the participants choosing feeling over facts. the second posture promotes feedback, and further testing, either for or against. this attitude chooses facts over feelings. of all the postings on magnets, and fuel economy, the only posting i've read so far that is pretty much factual is john li's. it's missing some information, which i will request in the post itself, but otherwise is straightforward and to the point. it makes no assumptions, just shares results. i think this sort of attitude is of greater benefit to all of us, than sterile discussions based on feelings. thanks john for trying it out, and sharing with us. more in your post. From: John Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: magnets in fuel line. I tried it in my Nissan Pathfinder V6 EFI 1995 model, and got a smoother running engine. It felt like you are adding octane booster to the fuel tank. Here is how I did it. I placed an extremely powerful magnet (one that can cause small injuries if you are not careful), 1x2x1/4in., on top of the fuel line (rubber) after the fuel filter and before the injectors and taped it.. The result was an instant smoother engine. I tried to drive it around and it was really smoother and quiieter. It might just be my imagination . The next day, I put another magnet on the opposite side of the first magnet. So the rubber hose was already in between the 2 magnets. I taped the magnets together, thinking it would further improve the smoothness or increase the power. But the result was the opposite. The power and smoothness was lesser than when using one magnet only. So now, I removed the magnet below and left the one on top, as is, and still enjoyed the smoothness of the engine. I still can't believe it worked. I did not do any adjustment. *questions john : 1) type magnet ? (ie ceramic, etc) 2) origin of same (model, etc. if available) 3) i take it your fuel line feeds all injectors ? i am not familiar with your engine's layout. 4) how far from the nearest injector did you place the magnet ? 5) did you do a polarity test, if yes, what pole was in contact with the fuel line 6) when you put the other magnet on, did you again do a polarity test, or at least check to see if the magnets attracted or repelled each other ? 7) i assume the magnets did not touch ? 8) notice
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Attn Steve, I am very particular of the true octane rating of the gasoline. My vehicle which I tested with the magnet is a 1995 Nissan Pathfinder equipped with an anti- knock compensator in which a sensor that detects 'pings' or 'knocks' would automatically retard the engine timing in order to eliminate knocking. The whole system is done by an on-board computer that controls the EFI and others. The gasoline octane required by my car is 90 octane and above. The highest octane rating available here in the Philippines is 97octane, which supposedly will not cause any knocking. But it does, especially during acceleration. So I have reason to believe that the petroleum companies are cheating the consumers and would presume that the octane rating is below 90. Otherwise with my car's requirement of 90 octane, there should be no knocking observed. So after the attachment of the magnet, the knocking sound was eliminated and it felt like you are adding octane booster. If you still question ! my knowledge of the octane booster, let me tell you that I used to add avgas (aviation gasoline for the planes) which has an octane ratng of 100. I had to buy it at the airport and added it to my fuel tank. The result was the same as when I put the magnet. As I mentioned earlier, it is quieter and smoother especially during acceleration. I decided to test this magnet thing because there are too many discussions made that I almost decided to 'unsubscribe'. I heard of this magnet thing 10 years ago, never tried it because I did not believe it. Last March, in one of Japan's leading off-road magazine called 4x4 Magazine, on page 103, there was an article entitled Environmental Friendly and Powerful which featured a Mitsubishi Delica Star Wagon with 4D56 diesel engine equipped with a strong magnet. It says strong magnet reduced the amount of black smoke from the exhaust. If you want more power, but if you end up spouting with lots of black smoke, that would be a proble! m. Power Green is a product that uses strong magnetism to alter fuel at the atomic level and it can be easily be fitted into your car by cutting and inserting it into fuel line. It has the effect of cutting down black smoke. I was intrigued by this article but the thought just passed by until last week when you wrote that you did not believe in this ( and neither did I. I was never a believer because I have already wasted so much time and money in fuel devices as mini turbo charger, putting lead in the fuel tank, buying expensive sparkplugs, etc.) and I decided to test it by myself because I had 2 very powerful magnets which I purchased from Kuffman Surplus in Orange County California in 1994. I asked the storekeeper where it came from. He did not know. It is so powerful that one should be very careful not to be pinned especially between 2 pices of these magnets. And if you are questioning again about octane rating, I had been testing that avgas fuel with 100 octane wi! th my older car which was a Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 twin carburetor with compression ratio of 9.5:1 which required an octane rating of 97. I seldom used the car coz I could only buy the fuel when I went to the airport. And the knock of the car when I used commercial fuel from the pumping station which they claimed to contain 97octane, was like hell. I had to manually readjust the ignition timing (retard). The specification was 10degrees +- 2 degrees. But I had to retard it to 5 degrees. The result was loss of power and stalling during acceleration. I have been trying it for several years, by adjusting and adding additives. Everytime I used avgas, I set it at 10 degrees. No knock and a very smooth running engine. Re the magnet, I just tried it 1 week ago, before I wrote to the group. So it's up to you to believe it or not. If you want more info re the article in the JApanese magazine, just write to me. I came to join this group in the hope of finding some info about c! oconut oil for biodiesel. Actually I am a very busy guy who is gathering information about cocodiesel and minding my own business. But I was challenged to try this magnet thing. And before I unsubscribe (because I cannot read all the mails that have been flooding my inbox), I would just like to share what I experienced. That's all, folks. John - Original Message - From: steve spence To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. unless your engine is knocking badly, you won't feel any difference with an octane booster. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth
[biofuel] Coco-diesel - Engine repair claims turned down
I've been expecting something like this. I've had doubts that this SVO mixture that's being misnamed biodiesel would escape the need for a dual-fuel system. This could do a lot of harm. Not cleaning the filters either. Mess. :-( Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Engine repair claims turned down Bangkok Post 28 May 2001 Carmakers, insurers want fuel regulated Walailak Keeratipipatpong Santan Santivimolnat Motorists keen to use biodiesel as fuel are thinking twice as carmakers and insurance companies are refusing to take responsibility for engine damage. Repair guarantees and insurance will not cover the damage until specifications of alternative fuels are set by regulators, the companies say. A Nakhon Pathom motorist, Praphan Morakotchinda, 26, is a test case. The employee of a private company filled the tank of his Ford Ranger pickup with 16 litres of biodiesel, which cost him 200 baht from a filling station in Sampran district. When he turned on the ignition, the engine started working but the car did not move. He added more diesel oil to the tank, but to no avail. A technician inspected the engine and told him to replace the filter, which was full of dirt and grease. However, the pickup would not budge until all the fuel had been pumped out and replaced by undiluted diesel oil. The owner of the service station told Mr Praphan that he had bought the biodiesel from Samut Sakhon. The mixture contained 30% diesel oil and 70% coconut oil. As the pickup was still covered by a sales warranty, Mr Praphan asked whether his car dealer would replace the filter at no charge. The dealer refused. As well, Mr Praphan's insurance company declined to pay the cost of replacing the filter. Insurance industry spokesmen say they are worried there will be a rash of claims resulting from the increasing use of many types of blended fuels, none of which are covered by regulations. Nopadol Santipakorn, vice-chairman of the auto insurance group of the General Insurance Association, said engine damage caused by the use of non-regulated petroleum products would not be covered by insurance. Insurance covers damage to the bodywork and engine in an accident, not the use of fuels other than those specified in the driver's manual. If a motorist wanted additional coverage for alternative fuels, it could be obtained through buying a special insurance policy against damage by innovations and inventions. New types of drugs, tyres and fuel would fall in this category, he said. Noravat Suwan, head of the Insurance Department, said that under current regulations vehicle-friendly biodiesel must be at least 90% diesel oil, the other ingredient being purified palm or coconut oil, as stated by the Petroleum Authority of Thailand. An employee of Tri Petch Isuzu Sales Co, the country's biggest seller of light trucks, said the company would accept claims only if the vehicle had been used according to the conditions specified in the warranty. He said that no industry organisation or state agency had yet certified biofuels, especially biodiesel, as suitable for auto engines. Therefore, it was difficult to accept repair claims. However, the company would check whether the breakdown was due to biofuels or defective engine parts. A mechanic at Toyota Mahanakhorn Co, a major Toyota dealer in Bangkok, said he could not confirm whether the warranty was invalidated if Toyota trucks were powered by biofuels. For any claim that is outside the warranty conditions, the dealers have to consult the carmakers, he said. The warranty terms for Toyota pickups stated that only diesel fuel with a cetane value of 45 or higher could be used. Cetane improves combustion efficiency to increase power in diesel engines. Mingkwan Saengsuwan, spokesman for Toyota Motor Thailand Co, said he could not confirm the company's position on the issue as it was for senior policy makers to decide. A senior staff member at MMC Sittipol Co, the Mitsubishi distributor, said that the company could not accept claims for breakdowns caused by alternative fuels until the industry was properly regulated. Komkrit Nongswadi, spokesman for Ford Sales Thailand Co, said that in general, if motorists breached warranties that stipulated only fossil fuels could be used, claims would be refused. Many car companies have upgraded their warranties to three years or 100,000 kilometres. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Hello John, Read your message and noted that you are interested in coconut oil for bio diesel. So am I. For security reason the list monitor cannot allow attachments, if you are interested I will attach a paper by Dr. Dan Etherington presented at the 19th Pacific Science Congress in 1999, if you send me your email address. Hanns -Original Message- From: John Li [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2001 4:37 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. Attn Steve, I am very particular of the true octane rating of the gasoline. My vehicle which I tested with the magnet is a 1995 Nissan Pathfinder equipped with an anti- knock compensator in which a sensor that detects 'pings' or 'knocks' would automatically retard the engine timing in order to eliminate knocking. The whole system is done by an on-board computer that controls the EFI and others. The gasoline octane required by my car is 90 octane and above. The highest octane rating available here in the Philippines is 97octane, which supposedly will not cause any knocking. But it does, especially during acceleration. So I have reason to believe that the petroleum companies are cheating the consumers and would presume that the octane rating is below 90. Otherwise with my car's requirement of 90 octane, there should be no knocking observed. So after the attachment of the magnet, the knocking sound was eliminated and it felt like you are adding octane booster. If you still question my knowledge of the octane booster, let me tell you that I used to add avgas (aviation gasoline for the planes) which has an octane ratng of 100. I had to buy it at the airport and added it to my fuel tank. The result was the same as when I put the magnet. As I mentioned earlier, it is quieter and smoother especially during acceleration. I decided to test this magnet thing because there are too many discussions made that I almost decided to 'unsubscribe'. I heard of this magnet thing 10 years ago, never tried it because I did not believe it. Last March, in one of Japan's leading off-road magazine called 4x4 Magazine, on page 103, there was an article entitled Environmental Friendly and Powerful which featured a Mitsubishi Delica Star Wagon with 4D56 diesel engine equipped with a strong magnet. It says strong magnet reduced the amount of black smoke from the exhaust. If you want more power, but if you end up spouting with lots of black smoke, that would be a problem. Power Green is a product that uses strong magnetism to alter fuel at the atomic level and it can be easily be fitted into your car by cutting and inserting it into fuel line. It has the effect of cutting down black smoke. I was intrigued by this article but the thought just passed by until last week when you wrote that you did not believe in this ( and neither did I. I was never a believer because I have already wasted so much time and money in fuel devices as mini turbo charger, putting lead in the fuel tank, buying expensive sparkplugs, etc.) and I decided to test it by myself because I had 2 very powerful magnets which I purchased from Kuffman Surplus in Orange County California in 1994. I asked the storekeeper where it came from. He did not know. It is so powerful that one should be very careful not to be pinned especially between 2 pices of these magnets. And if you are questioning again about octane rating, I had been testing that avgas fuel with 100 octane with my older car which was a Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 twin carburetor with compression ratio of 9.5:1 which required an octane rating of 97. I seldom used the car coz I could only buy the fuel when I went to the airport. And the knock of the car when I used commercial fuel from the pumping station which they claimed to contain 97octane, was like hell. I had to manually readjust the ignition timing (retard). The specification was 10degrees +- 2 degrees. But I had to retard it to 5 degrees. The result was loss of power and stalling during acceleration. I have been trying it for several years, by adjusting and adding additives. Everytime I used avgas, I set it at 10 degrees. No knock and a very smooth running engine. Re the magnet, I just tried it 1 week ago, before I wrote to the group. So it's up to you to believe it or not. If you want more info re the article in the JApanese magazine, just write to me. I came to join this group in the hope of finding some info about coconut oil for biodiesel. Actually I am a very busy guy who is gathering information about cocodiesel and minding my own business. But I was challenged to try this magnet thing. And before I unsubscribe (because I cannot read all the mails that have been flooding my inbox), I would just like to share what I experienced. That's all, folks. John - Original Message - From: steve spence To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel]
RE: [biofuel] Coco-diesel - Engine repair claims turned down
High quality coconut oil has been tested at the University of Wollongong (Australia) in recent years which apparently reached the conclusion that diesel engines used in generators, marine engines and vehicles can run on such coconut oil. At these tests, the oil has demonstrated excellent credentials for use as a replacement fuel for diesel in compression ignition engines and the tests have shown it to equal or exceed the specifications of petro diesel in all respects at temperatures above 35 degrees Celsius. I have a paper on the subject if you are interested. Probably the 70/30 mixture in Thailand contained unrefined oil straight from the copra mill. This is pretty filthy stuff and I am not surprised it messed up the engine. Hanns -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2001 4:56 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] Coco-diesel - Engine repair claims turned down I've been expecting something like this. I've had doubts that this SVO mixture that's being misnamed biodiesel would escape the need for a dual-fuel system. This could do a lot of harm. Not cleaning the filters either. Mess. :-( Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Engine repair claims turned down Bangkok Post 28 May 2001 Carmakers, insurers want fuel regulated Walailak Keeratipipatpong Santan Santivimolnat Motorists keen to use biodiesel as fuel are thinking twice as carmakers and insurance companies are refusing to take responsibility for engine damage. Repair guarantees and insurance will not cover the damage until specifications of alternative fuels are set by regulators, the companies say. A Nakhon Pathom motorist, Praphan Morakotchinda, 26, is a test case. The employee of a private company filled the tank of his Ford Ranger pickup with 16 litres of biodiesel, which cost him 200 baht from a filling station in Sampran district. When he turned on the ignition, the engine started working but the car did not move. He added more diesel oil to the tank, but to no avail. A technician inspected the engine and told him to replace the filter, which was full of dirt and grease. However, the pickup would not budge until all the fuel had been pumped out and replaced by undiluted diesel oil. The owner of the service station told Mr Praphan that he had bought the biodiesel from Samut Sakhon. The mixture contained 30% diesel oil and 70% coconut oil. As the pickup was still covered by a sales warranty, Mr Praphan asked whether his car dealer would replace the filter at no charge. The dealer refused. As well, Mr Praphan's insurance company declined to pay the cost of replacing the filter. Insurance industry spokesmen say they are worried there will be a rash of claims resulting from the increasing use of many types of blended fuels, none of which are covered by regulations. Nopadol Santipakorn, vice-chairman of the auto insurance group of the General Insurance Association, said engine damage caused by the use of non-regulated petroleum products would not be covered by insurance. Insurance covers damage to the bodywork and engine in an accident, not the use of fuels other than those specified in the driver's manual. If a motorist wanted additional coverage for alternative fuels, it could be obtained through buying a special insurance policy against damage by innovations and inventions. New types of drugs, tyres and fuel would fall in this category, he said. Noravat Suwan, head of the Insurance Department, said that under current regulations vehicle-friendly biodiesel must be at least 90% diesel oil, the other ingredient being purified palm or coconut oil, as stated by the Petroleum Authority of Thailand. An employee of Tri Petch Isuzu Sales Co, the country's biggest seller of light trucks, said the company would accept claims only if the vehicle had been used according to the conditions specified in the warranty. He said that no industry organisation or state agency had yet certified biofuels, especially biodiesel, as suitable for auto engines. Therefore, it was difficult to accept repair claims. However, the company would check whether the breakdown was due to biofuels or defective engine parts. A mechanic at Toyota Mahanakhorn Co, a major Toyota dealer in Bangkok, said he could not confirm whether the warranty was invalidated if Toyota trucks were powered by biofuels. For any claim that is outside the warranty conditions, the dealers have to consult the carmakers, he said. The warranty terms for Toyota pickups stated that only diesel fuel with a cetane value of 45 or higher could be used. Cetane improves combustion efficiency to increase power in diesel engines. Mingkwan Saengsuwan, spokesman for Toyota Motor Thailand Co, said he could not confirm the company's position on the issue as it was for senior policy makers to decide. A senior staff member at MMC Sittipol Co, the
Re: [biofuel] of magnets and testing
In a previous posting I insist that an empirical trial that can be replicated by others using the original method described is necessary for the credibility of technical claims. This is what most of us are doing with bio diesel production, having replicated the results of others we extend the envelope and report on our findings in a manner that allows others to replicate our results. This is the scientific method. There are things that I accept on faith alone- they are to do with my spirituality- I try not to confuse the two. I do not require that others do the same, however be aware that I may exhibit tolerant skepticism of claims that appear to defy empirical replication. I am always happy to change my position in the light of peer review. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
As a qualified Automotive engineer, I agree, with an Air fuel Ratio of 21.5:1 it would be not be running too well at all, unless the engine in question had air injection and that would make it appear to be running as lean as that. The normal AFR is 14.7:1 John McLean AMIAME Australia - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. The AFR was adjusted and a further test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR was meassured as being 21.5/1. When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, the HC reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is going on for there sure. the only thing going on is the begining of a scam. these numbers look like an outright fabrication. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The EPA has test all the magic magnet devices and even some of those magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe and other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one device based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the company say it's EPA certified, it's BS. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], beeteljeuse beelzebub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was involuntarily detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. They feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out of the ordinary. It was a stone-cold stock '68 Plymouth Valient that with absolutely no emissions controls, that was getting extremely lower emissions than that of brand new cars that were being checked. There are many things on the EPA lists of things that do not work that we have found benifits. You say that they have tested all the magic magnet devices. I say impossible. There are some that a select few people even know about that are in the trial stages now. How does EPA test those?? EPA is not God. Trust them like you would the oil and gas crooks. The man that did the magnet test on the gen set paid over $10,000 on a professional gas analyser to test emissions and air/fuel ratios. Here is a quote from my previous post that no one seemed to comment about. The AFR was adjusted and a further test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR was meassured as being 21.5/1. When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, the HC reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is going on for there sure. As for the air/fuel ratio, it was obtained by his own invention. A vaporizing carburetor that he plans to market in the near future. Also note the HC readings measured in parts per million goes down after removing the magnets. It does not take a rocket scientist or an EPA goon to notice that, like the man said, Something is going on for sure. Driving conditions did not come into play with this test and the generator was under the same load in all the testing. Have Fun, Sam Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Coco-diesel - Engine repair claims turned down
Hi Hanns, I would be very interested in that paper on coconut oil. If we go commercial here (a long way off) I would like to have some of our past students from the Pacific export coco esters to us to produce a winter grade of biodiesel. The income stream would be good for all concerned. From Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] of magnets and testing
P.S. My comment on reorganisation of molecules could be taken a little seriously if there is a possibility of induced or real polarity of the molecules concerned, instead of placing the other magnet opposite the first try it in line to effectively lengthen the lines of force parallel to the fuel line. Its just a hypothesis no harm in feeling an effect at the hypothesis stage is there. Can you deactivate the knock compensator? Regards Harry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Smith unveils legislation to eliminate MTBE threat
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/may2001/2001L-05-28-09.html Smith unveils legislation to eliminate MTBE threat WASHINGTON, DC, May 28, 2001 (ENS) - Senator Bob Smith has introduced legislation to ban MTBE and authorize cleanup funds for groundwater contaminated by the gasoline additive. Smith, current chair of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, introduced new legislation to eliminate the threat posed by the common gasoline additive, methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE). This action follows an MTBE hearing that Smith held in Salem, New Hampshire, in April. Once released into the environment, whether spilled or leaked out of a storage tank, MTBE quickly finds its way into water supplies rendering them undrinkable, Smith said. It is critical for Congress to act this year to eliminate this threat from our communities in New Hampshire and across the nation. This is a complex issue, but I am confident that this legislation strikes the right balance between environmental protection, and a stable and reliable fuel supply. MTBE, an oxygenate, is used in regions of the country that are having difficulty complying with toxic air pollution limits in the federal Clean Air Act. The additive allows gasoline to burn more cleanly, and reduces the toxic emissions from automobiles and other gasoline powered vehicles. Smith's bill would ban the use of MTBE in gasoline and allow state governors to waive the oxygen mandate in the Clean Air Act, while preserving the environmental benefits of the air toxics limits in the statute. The legislation would also provide funds to help transition from MTBE to other fuels additives, such as ethanol. The bill would authorize $200 million to be spent from the existing Leaking Underground Storage Tank trust fund to clean up MTBE contamination caused by leaking tanks and to address the integrity of the underground storage tank program. I am also very pleased that this bill is consistent with the President's National Energy Policy because it will help to reduce the intra-regional patchwork of what are known as boutique fuels, Smith said. This will ease the burden on refineries and fuel supply, which in turn will reduce the risk of increased gas prices for the consumer. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] NO MORE MAGNETS!
Please, that's ENOUGH about magnets unless you have replicable results or useful information on how to achieve them. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bouncing mail
Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Twice so far Thanks Terry. I've stopped it now. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
