RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Or possibly the meniscus of bubble systems where gas bubbles becomes a plasma and boundary regions are compressed by a steady sonar tone that can be modulated on and off rapidly. A boundary doesn't have to be a perfect conductor and the dynamic range of a resistive liquid meniscus boundary may well trump the slower transitions of a conductive metal relative to moving gas atoms -both relate to DCE but this begs another question, which is more important to the robust effect, the nano geometry or the CHANGE in nano geometry? From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:54 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Most LENR researchers use static NAE in their systems. Examples of static NAE are those cracks produced hydrogen loading. When NAE hot spots are produced through a dynamic mechanism as they are required to keep the reaction going. NAE destruction does not kill the reaction over time. In a dynamic NAE system, NAE creation exactly matches NAE destruction. In more advanced systems capable of producing NAEs as an ongoing process, computer automation control can signal when NAEs are reduced in numbers below reaction specification and a activation of a plasma based dust production process rebuilds the NAE population. Think of NAE's as lumps of coal fed into a coal fire by a temperature controlled stoker. Lowering temperatures cause a thermostatic process to fed more coal lumps into the coal fire. Such a dynamic NAE system can run for years without degradation in performance. On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Kevin O'Malley mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote: It strikes me that as so many LENR researchers tried to scale up their results, they have failed. That would seem to suggest that higher temperatures kill the LENR effect, which favors BEC formation theories. \\\ On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote: Jones: Using your later input, how about the 1DLEC, pronounced OneDellECK. 1 Dimensional Luttinger Electron Condensate On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: From: Kevin O'Malley What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
There is a temperature sensitive chemical reaction component to all this. A chemical hydride reacts to temperature to increase or decrease the release and absorption of gaseous hydrogen from the solid form which modifies hydrogen pressure. To regulate temperature stability, the hydrogen pressure should go up when the temperature goes up. Too much hydrogen pressure must slow the reaction. Hydrogen pressure is another temperature controlling parameter. But when the reactor cools completely, all hydrogen should return to the solid state. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Bob Cook wrote: > Axil-- > > It seems clear that the NAE in a good, long term energy producer must be a > dynamic system with feed back to automatically control reaction rates. > Much like in a fission reactor where the population of neutrons increases > or decreases inversely with temperature thereby controlling fissions and > heat without large internal temperature variations. > > For the formation of BEC of Cooper pairs temperature AND magnetic field > are probably pertinent parameters. The same is probably true for proton > pairs. In addition the frequency and polarization of oscillating magnetic > fields may be important. The geometry of the NAE is also likely to effect > the production of paring, however, controlling the geometry may not be in > the cards. You take what you get or engineer a stable fixed design. Rossi > probably has done this engineering of the geometry of the NAE in his > system. As we have conjectured in the past, 1 or 2 dimensional structures > are probably better to encourage pairing and NAE. > > I doubt the computer automation would be fast enough to control the stable > production of NAE. I think it must be an inherent feed back mechanism for > adequate control with steady temperatures. As we have discussed in the > past, local changes of the magnetic field may be the controlling parameter. > > Bob > > - Original Message - > *From:* Axil Axil > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current > > Most LENR researchers use static NAE in their systems. Examples of > static NAE are those cracks produced hydrogen loading. > > When NAE hot spots are produced through a dynamic mechanism as they are > required to keep the reaction going. NAE destruction does not kill the > reaction over time. In a dynamic NAE system, NAE creation exactly matches > NAE destruction. > > In more advanced systems capable of producing NAEs as an ongoing process, > computer automation control can signal when NAEs are reduced in numbers > below reaction specification and a activation of a plasma based dust > production process rebuilds the NAE population. > > Think of NAE's as lumps of coal fed into a coal fire by a temperature > controlled stoker. Lowering temperatures cause a thermostatic process to > fed more coal lumps into the coal fire. > > Such a dynamic NAE system can run for years without degradation in > performance. > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > >> It strikes me that as so many LENR researchers tried to scale up their >> results, they have failed. That would seem to suggest that higher >> temperatures kill the LENR effect, which favors BEC formation theories. >> \\\ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: >> >>> Jones: >>> Using your later input, how about the 1DLEC, pronounced OneDellECK. >>> >>> 1 Dimensional Luttinger Electron Condensate >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jones Beene wrote: >>> >>>> *From:* Kevin O'Malley >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein >>>> Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Axil-- It seems clear that the NAE in a good, long term energy producer must be a dynamic system with feed back to automatically control reaction rates. Much like in a fission reactor where the population of neutrons increases or decreases inversely with temperature thereby controlling fissions and heat without large internal temperature variations. For the formation of BEC of Cooper pairs temperature AND magnetic field are probably pertinent parameters. The same is probably true for proton pairs. In addition the frequency and polarization of oscillating magnetic fields may be important. The geometry of the NAE is also likely to effect the production of paring, however, controlling the geometry may not be in the cards. You take what you get or engineer a stable fixed design. Rossi probably has done this engineering of the geometry of the NAE in his system. As we have conjectured in the past, 1 or 2 dimensional structures are probably better to encourage pairing and NAE. I doubt the computer automation would be fast enough to control the stable production of NAE. I think it must be an inherent feed back mechanism for adequate control with steady temperatures. As we have discussed in the past, local changes of the magnetic field may be the controlling parameter. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Most LENR researchers use static NAE in their systems. Examples of static NAE are those cracks produced hydrogen loading. When NAE hot spots are produced through a dynamic mechanism as they are required to keep the reaction going. NAE destruction does not kill the reaction over time. In a dynamic NAE system, NAE creation exactly matches NAE destruction. In more advanced systems capable of producing NAEs as an ongoing process, computer automation control can signal when NAEs are reduced in numbers below reaction specification and a activation of a plasma based dust production process rebuilds the NAE population. Think of NAE's as lumps of coal fed into a coal fire by a temperature controlled stoker. Lowering temperatures cause a thermostatic process to fed more coal lumps into the coal fire. Such a dynamic NAE system can run for years without degradation in performance. On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: It strikes me that as so many LENR researchers tried to scale up their results, they have failed. That would seem to suggest that higher temperatures kill the LENR effect, which favors BEC formation theories. \\\ On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: Jones: Using your later input, how about the 1DLEC, pronounced OneDellECK. 1 Dimensional Luttinger Electron Condensate On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Kevin O'Malley What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Most LENR researchers use static NAE in their systems. Examples of static NAE are those cracks produced hydrogen loading. When NAE hot spots are produced through a dynamic mechanism as they are required to keep the reaction going. NAE destruction does not kill the reaction over time. In a dynamic NAE system, NAE creation exactly matches NAE destruction. In more advanced systems capable of producing NAEs as an ongoing process, computer automation control can signal when NAEs are reduced in numbers below reaction specification and a activation of a plasma based dust production process rebuilds the NAE population. Think of NAE's as lumps of coal fed into a coal fire by a temperature controlled stoker. Lowering temperatures cause a thermostatic process to fed more coal lumps into the coal fire. Such a dynamic NAE system can run for years without degradation in performance. On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > It strikes me that as so many LENR researchers tried to scale up their > results, they have failed. That would seem to suggest that higher > temperatures kill the LENR effect, which favors BEC formation theories. \\\ > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > >> Jones: >> Using your later input, how about the 1DLEC, pronounced OneDellECK. >> >> 1 Dimensional Luttinger Electron Condensate >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jones Beene wrote: >> >>> *From:* Kevin O'Malley >>> >>> >>> >>> What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein >>> Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. >>> >>> >>> >>> We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
It strikes me that as so many LENR researchers tried to scale up their results, they have failed. That would seem to suggest that higher temperatures kill the LENR effect, which favors BEC formation theories. \\\ On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Jones: > Using your later input, how about the 1DLEC, pronounced OneDellECK. > > 1 Dimensional Luttinger Electron Condensate > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> *From:* Kevin O'Malley >> >> >> >> What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein >> Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. >> >> >> >> We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. >> >> >> >> > >
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Not sure if these recent papers on potential of graphene arrangements would be helpful, but FWItW here are a few: Huang B-L et al 2012. Persistent currents on a graphene ring with armchair edges. J. Phys. Cond. Matter 24: Dubey S. et al 2013, Tunable superlattice in graphene to control the number of Dirac points. Nano Lett 13:3990-5. Bludov YV et al 2013. A primer on surface plasmon polaritons in graphene. Intl J. Modern Phys. B, 27 (10) Li, T. et al 2012 Femtosecond population inversion and stimulated emisssion of dense Dirac fermions. Phys. Rev Lett 108:167401 Hasmimoto, T. Graphene edge spins: Spintronics and magnetism in graphene nanomeshes. Nanosystems: Physics, Chem. Math: 5:25-8. I only read a couple, (and problably wouldn't have understood much of them anyway), and not sure what it may mean, but got that the zigzag edge forms are ferromagnetic and very avid hydrogen 'magnets'? Cheers all, ken On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Rossi may not have been smart enough, but what about Focardi? > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Axil Axil > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:03 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current > > All nanoparticles of a certain size have a negative index of refraction > as regards to the long wavelengths of infrared light. Short wavelengths are > absorbed. It's a matter of geometry. > > > > A mix of particles of various sizes is needed in a Ni/H reactor to form an > amalgam. > > > This may be why BIG particles are needed to absorb the infrared light and > that infrared energy once absorbed in the big particles is passed via > dipole motion to the smaller particles witch usually reflect that long > wavelength light. > > It is my evolving opinion that predestination of some sort was involved in > the Ni/H reactor design because Rossi cannot be this smart. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a >> *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). >> >> should read >> >> SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric and a material with a >> *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Axil Axil wrote: >> >>> SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a >>> *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). >>> >>> Do CNTs qualify. They must if the Chinese say so. >>> >>> *Negative Refractive Index Metasurfaces for Enhanced Biosensing * >>> >>> >>> *Research as follows:* >>> >>> Inorganic ultrathin nanocomposites include metals and metal >>> composites, various oxides, semiconductor materials, different inorganic >>> compounds but also pure elements. Various metals were reported as >>> freestanding nanomembrane materials, including chromium, titanium, >>> tungsten, nickel, aluminum, silver, gold, platinum; most of these being >>> structural metals having both electromagnetic and mechanical functions at >>> the same time. Elemental semiconductor nanomembranes were also reported, >>> and among them, an especially important mention belongs to silicon >>> freestanding structures, which are connected with the most widespread and >>> mature technology. Silicon with a thickness ranging between 10 nm and 100 >>> nm was mentioned for instance in the context of nanomembrane-based >>> stretchable electronics [95]. Buckled silicon nanoribbons and full >>> nanomembranes were also reported [96]. *Materials **2011*, *4 **7 * >>> >>> *An important material for nanomembranes in CBB sensor applications is >>> carbon, which may be used in membranes in the form of carbon nanotubes [97] >>> or as freestanding, ultrathin diamond or diamandoid film [97]. *The >>> excellent mechanical properties of such carbon-based materials make them >>> convenient for their use as reinforcements for the nanometer-thin >>> freestanding structures, but also as the dielectric part of the >>> metasurfaces. Other classes of inorganic freestanding nanomembranes include >>> oxide, nitride and carbide structures, many of them used either as >>> wide-bandgap semiconductors or insulators. Silicon dioxide nanomembranes >>> [98] are among the important ones, again because of the widely available >>> and mature silicon technology. Other materials include silicon nitride, >>> titanium dioxide, gallium arsenide, *etc*. A special cla
Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Kevin-- I agree that it is not clear its all surface reactions, particularly in the Pd-D system. Bob - Original Message - From: Kevin O'Malley To: vortex-l Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:58 PM Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current http://www.academia.edu/4206209/Brillouin_Energy_Corp._THE_QUANTUM_REACTION_HYPOTHESIS Figure 1, Page 5 I don't buy it that LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. The enclosed SEM image implies the microexplosion happened well under the surface, more like a volcano than a surface explosion. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Axil Axil wrote: The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example,
Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Axil, that's nonsense. A child can see that's a volcano. The reaction came from inside the substrate. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The crater was created by a cavitation bubble which projects a plasma jet > that penetrates the surface od the metal to excavate a pit into the metal > as seen in the picture you reference.. > > Yes, the mechanism of cavitation is different from SPP in Ni/H because the > SPP is produced on the walls of the collapsing cavitation bubble exterior > to the metal and projected onto the nearest surface of metal that is > adjacent to the bubble. > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > >> >> http://www.academia.edu/4206209/Brillouin_Energy_Corp._THE_QUANTUM_REACTION_HYPOTHESIS >> >> Figure 1, Page 5 >> >> >> I don't buy it that LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. The >> enclosed SEM image implies the microexplosion happened well under the >> surface, more like a volcano than a surface explosion. >> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Axil Axil wrote: >>> The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, >>> >> >
Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
The crater was created by a cavitation bubble which projects a plasma jet that penetrates the surface od the metal to excavate a pit into the metal as seen in the picture you reference.. Yes, the mechanism of cavitation is different from SPP in Ni/H because the SPP is produced on the walls of the collapsing cavitation bubble exterior to the metal and projected onto the nearest surface of metal that is adjacent to the bubble. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > http://www.academia.edu/4206209/Brillouin_Energy_Corp._THE_QUANTUM_REACTION_HYPOTHESIS > > Figure 1, Page 5 > > > I don't buy it that LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. The enclosed > SEM image implies the microexplosion happened well under the surface, more > like a volcano than a surface explosion. > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Axil Axil wrote: >> >>> The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface >>> reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the >>> tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, >>> >> >
Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
http://www.academia.edu/4206209/Brillouin_Energy_Corp._THE_QUANTUM_REACTION_HYPOTHESIS Figure 1, Page 5 I don't buy it that LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. The enclosed SEM image implies the microexplosion happened well under the surface, more like a volcano than a surface explosion. > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. >> To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be >> filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, >> >
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Yep.. along the same line of accelerated transport of nano fibers _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 11:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Another piece of the puzzle ? http://www.i-sis.org.uk/SuperconductingQuantumCoherentWaterinNanospace.php An argument can be made of a temperature differential inside vs outside CNT http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf I am still looking for a paper more on point. And more extreme.
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Rossi may not have been smart enough, but what about Focardi? - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current All nanoparticles of a certain size have a negative index of refraction as regards to the long wavelengths of infrared light. Short wavelengths are absorbed. It's a matter of geometry. A mix of particles of various sizes is needed in a Ni/H reactor to form an amalgam. This may be why BIG particles are needed to absorb the infrared light and that infrared energy once absorbed in the big particles is passed via dipole motion to the smaller particles witch usually reflect that long wavelength light. It is my evolving opinion that predestination of some sort was involved in the Ni/H reactor design because Rossi cannot be this smart. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Axil Axil wrote: SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a negative index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). should read SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric and a material with a negative index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Axil Axil wrote: SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a negative index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). Do CNTs qualify. They must if the Chinese say so. Negative Refractive Index Metasurfaces for Enhanced Biosensing Research as follows: Inorganic ultrathin nanocomposites include metals and metal composites, various oxides, semiconductor materials, different inorganic compounds but also pure elements. Various metals were reported as freestanding nanomembrane materials, including chromium, titanium, tungsten, nickel, aluminum, silver, gold, platinum; most of these being structural metals having both electromagnetic and mechanical functions at the same time. Elemental semiconductor nanomembranes were also reported, and among them, an especially important mention belongs to silicon freestanding structures, which are connected with the most widespread and mature technology. Silicon with a thickness ranging between 10 nm and 100 nm was mentioned for instance in the context of nanomembrane-based stretchable electronics [95]. Buckled silicon nanoribbons and full nanomembranes were also reported [96]. Materials 2011, 4 7 An important material for nanomembranes in CBB sensor applications is carbon, which may be used in membranes in the form of carbon nanotubes [97] or as freestanding, ultrathin diamond or diamandoid film [97]. The excellent mechanical properties of such carbon-based materials make them convenient for their use as reinforcements for the nanometer-thin freestanding structures, but also as the dielectric part of the metasurfaces. Other classes of inorganic freestanding nanomembranes include oxide, nitride and carbide structures, many of them used either as wide-bandgap semiconductors or insulators. Silicon dioxide nanomembranes [98] are among the important ones, again because of the widely available and mature silicon technology. Other materials include silicon nitride, titanium dioxide, gallium arsenide, etc. A special class of interest for this review belongs to plasmonic materials. These include Drude metals. Freestanding gold films with a thickness below 100 nm have been known for a long time [99]. In our experiments we fabricated chromium-containing nanomembranes down to 8 nm thickness and with areas of tens of millimeters square [94,100]. Another possibility to obtain freestanding nanomembranes with plasmonic properties is to utilize non-metallic Drude materials like transparent conductive oxides (e.g., tin oxide, indium oxide, etc.) [101,102]. Symmetric plasmonic nanomembranes may be fabricated as laminar nanocomposites. Possible implementations include sandwich structures in which top and bottom layers are plasmonic material, while the middle layer may be any material serving as a support. Figure 1 shows an example of our free-floating nanomembrane with an overall thickness of 35 nm and a metal-dielectric-metal structure. Figure 1. Free-floating laminar metal/dielectric/metal nanomembrane, strata thickness 10 nm + 15 nm + 10 nm, metal Au, dielectric silica, lateral dimensions 2 cm × 8 mm, support polished Si. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Axil The Chinese paper said: >>>The calculated dispersion curves are shown in Fig. 4. Different from that of the planar structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam line intersects with dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.<< It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as well as a cylindrical surface. Is this your understanding? It
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
r structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam >>> line intersects with >>> >>> dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.<< >>> >>> It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as >>> well as a cylindrical surface. Is this your understanding? It makes CNT >>> even more interesting as a location for SPP to occur. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Axil Axil >>> *To:* vortex-l >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:44 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current >>> >>> 100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in >>> research papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in >>> nanoplasmonic research. >>> >>> I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor >>> because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used. >>> >>> This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Bob Cook >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of >>>> radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? >>>> Is that a typo? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is quite a shock, in more ways than one ... even if the authors >>>> had somehow missed it by a factor of 100... the only question we should be >>>> asking ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP >>>> into their experiments ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of >>>> Physical Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of >>>> China is not considered by some to be credible? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No... methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness... of the >>>> First World variety... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were >>>> probably educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics >>>> doctorates awarded in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to >>>> temporary visa holders - most of whom come from Asia. That should come as >>>> no surprise to anyone walking around the top University physics >>>> departments. >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to >>>> my posting a few mins ago... "Of Metronomes and Molecules..." Once >>>> again, we find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit >>>> hole... >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of >>>> cyberspace which we are tuned into this week ... another angle on the >>>> metronome effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). >>>> >>>> BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a "virtual rabbit >>>> hole" for "virtual cooling" in which bosons at high temperature can >>>> condense, then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A >>>> Cooper pair of electrons is a composite boson. >>>> >>>> Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based >>>> on electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other >>>> possibilities). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). should read SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric and a material with a *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a > *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). > > Do CNTs qualify. They must if the Chinese say so. > > *Negative Refractive Index Metasurfaces for Enhanced Biosensing * > > > *Research as follows:* > > Inorganic ultrathin nanocomposites include metals and metal composites, > various oxides, semiconductor materials, different inorganic compounds but > also pure elements. Various metals were reported as freestanding > nanomembrane materials, including chromium, titanium, tungsten, nickel, > aluminum, silver, gold, platinum; most of these being structural metals > having both electromagnetic and mechanical functions at the same time. > Elemental semiconductor nanomembranes were also reported, and among them, > an especially important mention belongs to silicon freestanding structures, > which are connected with the most widespread and mature technology. Silicon > with a thickness ranging between 10 nm and 100 nm was mentioned for > instance in the context of nanomembrane-based stretchable electronics [95]. > Buckled silicon nanoribbons and full nanomembranes were also reported [96]. > *Materials > **2011*, *4 **7 * > > *An important material for nanomembranes in CBB sensor applications is > carbon, which may be used in membranes in the form of carbon nanotubes [97] > or as freestanding, ultrathin diamond or diamandoid film [97]. *The > excellent mechanical properties of such carbon-based materials make them > convenient for their use as reinforcements for the nanometer-thin > freestanding structures, but also as the dielectric part of the > metasurfaces. Other classes of inorganic freestanding nanomembranes include > oxide, nitride and carbide structures, many of them used either as > wide-bandgap semiconductors or insulators. Silicon dioxide nanomembranes > [98] are among the important ones, again because of the widely available > and mature silicon technology. Other materials include silicon nitride, > titanium dioxide, gallium arsenide, *etc*. A special class of interest > for this review belongs to plasmonic materials. These include Drude metals. > Freestanding gold films with a thickness below 100 nm have been known for a > long time [99]. In our experiments we fabricated chromium-containing > nanomembranes down to 8 nm thickness and with areas of tens of millimeters > square [94,100]. Another possibility to obtain freestanding nanomembranes > with plasmonic properties is to utilize non-metallic Drude materials like > transparent conductive oxides (e.g., tin oxide, indium oxide, *etc.*) > [101,102]. Symmetric plasmonic nanomembranes may be fabricated as laminar > nanocomposites. Possible implementations include sandwich structures in > which top and bottom layers are plasmonic material, while the middle layer > may be any material serving as a support. Figure 1 shows an example of our > free-floating nanomembrane with an overall thickness of 35 nm and a > metal-dielectric-metal structure. *Figure 1. *Free-floating laminar > metal/dielectric/metal nanomembrane, strata thickness 10 nm + 15 nm + 10 > nm, metal Au, dielectric silica, lateral dimensions 2 cm × 8 mm, support > polished Si. > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > >> Axil >> >> The Chinese paper said: >> >> >>>The calculated dispersion curves are shown in Fig. 4. Different from >> that of the planar structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam >> line intersects with >> >> dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.<< >> >> It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as >> well as a cylindrical surface. Is this your understanding? It makes CNT >> even more interesting as a location for SPP to occur. >> >> Bob >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Axil Axil >> *To:* vortex-l >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:44 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current >> >> 100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in >> research papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in >> nanoplasmonic research. >> >> I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor >> because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used. >> >> This wil
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SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light). Do CNTs qualify. They must if the Chinese say so. *Negative Refractive Index Metasurfaces for Enhanced Biosensing * *Research as follows:* Inorganic ultrathin nanocomposites include metals and metal composites, various oxides, semiconductor materials, different inorganic compounds but also pure elements. Various metals were reported as freestanding nanomembrane materials, including chromium, titanium, tungsten, nickel, aluminum, silver, gold, platinum; most of these being structural metals having both electromagnetic and mechanical functions at the same time. Elemental semiconductor nanomembranes were also reported, and among them, an especially important mention belongs to silicon freestanding structures, which are connected with the most widespread and mature technology. Silicon with a thickness ranging between 10 nm and 100 nm was mentioned for instance in the context of nanomembrane-based stretchable electronics [95]. Buckled silicon nanoribbons and full nanomembranes were also reported [96]. *Materials **2011*, *4 **7 * *An important material for nanomembranes in CBB sensor applications is carbon, which may be used in membranes in the form of carbon nanotubes [97] or as freestanding, ultrathin diamond or diamandoid film [97]. *The excellent mechanical properties of such carbon-based materials make them convenient for their use as reinforcements for the nanometer-thin freestanding structures, but also as the dielectric part of the metasurfaces. Other classes of inorganic freestanding nanomembranes include oxide, nitride and carbide structures, many of them used either as wide-bandgap semiconductors or insulators. Silicon dioxide nanomembranes [98] are among the important ones, again because of the widely available and mature silicon technology. Other materials include silicon nitride, titanium dioxide, gallium arsenide, *etc*. A special class of interest for this review belongs to plasmonic materials. These include Drude metals. Freestanding gold films with a thickness below 100 nm have been known for a long time [99]. In our experiments we fabricated chromium-containing nanomembranes down to 8 nm thickness and with areas of tens of millimeters square [94,100]. Another possibility to obtain freestanding nanomembranes with plasmonic properties is to utilize non-metallic Drude materials like transparent conductive oxides (e.g., tin oxide, indium oxide, *etc.*) [101,102]. Symmetric plasmonic nanomembranes may be fabricated as laminar nanocomposites. Possible implementations include sandwich structures in which top and bottom layers are plasmonic material, while the middle layer may be any material serving as a support. Figure 1 shows an example of our free-floating nanomembrane with an overall thickness of 35 nm and a metal-dielectric-metal structure. *Figure 1. *Free-floating laminar metal/dielectric/metal nanomembrane, strata thickness 10 nm + 15 nm + 10 nm, metal Au, dielectric silica, lateral dimensions 2 cm × 8 mm, support polished Si. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Axil > > The Chinese paper said: > > >>>The calculated dispersion curves are shown in Fig. 4. Different from > that of the planar structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam > line intersects with > > dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.<< > > It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as well > as a cylindrical surface. Is this your understanding? It makes CNT even > more interesting as a location for SPP to occur. > > Bob > > - Original Message - > *From:* Axil Axil > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:44 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current > > 100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in > research papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in > nanoplasmonic research. > > I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor > because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used. > > This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla. > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> >> >> *From:* Bob Cook >> >> >> >> Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of >> radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena. >> >> >> >> Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? >> Is that a typo? >> >> >> >> That is quite a shock, in more ways than one ... even if the authors had >> somehow missed it by a factor of 100... the only question we should be asking >> ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing
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Axil The Chinese paper said: >>>The calculated dispersion curves are shown in Fig. 4. Different from that of >>>the planar structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam line >>>intersects with dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.<< It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as well as a cylindrical surface. Is this your understanding? It makes CNT even more interesting as a location for SPP to occur. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current 100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in research papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in nanoplasmonic research. I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used. This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Bob Cook Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena. Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? Is that a typo? That is quite a shock, in more ways than one . even if the authors had somehow missed it by a factor of 100. the only question we should be asking ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into their experiments ? Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of Physical Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China is not considered by some to be credible? No. methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness. of the First World variety. BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were probably educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics doctorates awarded in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to temporary visa holders - most of whom come from Asia. That should come as no surprise to anyone walking around the top University physics departments. From: MarkI-ZeroPoint http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to my posting a few mins ago. "Of Metronomes and Molecules..." Once again, we find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole. ;-) Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a "virtual rabbit hole" for "virtual cooling" in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of electrons is a composite boson. Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other possibilities).
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Another piece of the puzzle ? http://www.i-sis.org.uk/SuperconductingQuantumCoherentWaterinNanospace.php An argument can be made of a temperature differential inside vs outside CNT http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf I am still looking for a paper more on point. And more extreme. <>
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Jones-- I was thinking about the Cherenkov radiation vs the Bremsstrahlung radiation that you were wondering about with respect to SPP phenomenon Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current From: Bob Cook Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena. Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? Is that a typo? That is quite a shock, in more ways than one . even if the authors had somehow missed it by a factor of 100. the only question we should be asking ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into their experiments ? Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of Physical Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China is not considered by some to be credible? No. methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness. of the First World variety. BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were probably educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics doctorates awarded in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to temporary visa holders - most of whom come from Asia. That should come as no surprise to anyone walking around the top University physics departments. From: MarkI-ZeroPoint http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to my posting a few mins ago. "Of Metronomes and Molecules..." Once again, we find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole. ;-) Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a "virtual rabbit hole" for "virtual cooling" in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of electrons is a composite boson. Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other possibilities).
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The paper is interesting as to the different characteristics of various diameter CNT and different schemes possible for loading them with materials that are oriented in a desirable direction. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:46 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current From: David Roberson Jones, are you suggesting that particles inside a CNT can exist at a lower temperature than those outside? That is an interesting question. I would initially think that this would violate thermodynamic laws, but strange things do happen. Have you seen any reference to this type of behavior and how would it be measured? Dave An argument can be made of a temperature differential inside vs outside. Check this out http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf I am still looking for a paper more on point. And more extreme.
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Many old timers here may realize that I am sounding more and more like Fred > Sparber G.R.H.S. Quit waking Fred.
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Jones: Using your later input, how about the 1DLEC, pronounced OneDellECK. 1 Dimensional Luttinger Electron Condensate On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* Kevin O'Malley > > > > What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein > Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. > > > > We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. > > > >
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BTW - if a thin frozen translucent disk, somewhat similar in appearance to a camera lens or filter - is prepared as described below, and if it were able to upshift a fraction of the photons from a lamp from about 589 nm to 122 nm (shortened wl is the same as upshifted frequency) then this level of gain is close to what Rossi professes. Many old timers here may realize that I am sounding more and more like Fred Sparber :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luttinger_liquid This is almost exactly on-target for what we have been talking about in the aftermath of the Cooper/Seldon patent disclosure. QUOTE: Among the physical systems believed to be described by the Luttinger model are: 1)artificial 'quantum wires' (one-dimensional strips of electrons 2)electrons in carbon nanotubes A shortened name that comes to mind - at least for the electron variety is LEC or Luttinger electron condensate. In an experiment which is similar to the Seldon patent application, but different, we could prepare a colloid of (6,6) CNT in plain water, possibly with a potassium electrolyte, and freeze that water in a modest magnetic field. If - on receiving a coherent light pulse from a sodium vapor lamp, a strong fluorescence effect is seen which is upshifted to the Lyman-alpha hydrogen line (wavelength of 121.6 nm in the UV) from about 589 nm yellow of sodium- we have a good indication of an energy anomaly which can be incorporated into a 2 step experiment or used alone as an upshifting mechanism, if it is intense. Lyman-alpha astronomy is well known and specialized detectors are available - but any color-blind fool can usually distinguish violet from yellow. From: Kevin O'Malley What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. One big problem with any BEC theory is that "One experimental fact is that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature." http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible kind. In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be different in the details. One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it would possibly be valuable for alternative energy. Jones
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http://phys.org/news/2010-11-german-physicists-super-photon.html German physicists create a 'super-photon' This experiment shows how polaritons form a condensate. In a quantum cavity, the polaritons bounce around in a "dark Mode" until they all reach the same energy level, They form a condensate which is a soliton. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > more,,, > > In Bose-Einstein states the quantum concentration Nq (particles per > volume) is proportional to the total mass M of the system: > > Nq=(MkT/2πℏ2)3/2 > where k Boltzmann constant, T temperature > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> The maximum temperature at which a BEC is sustained is directly related >> to the mass of the particle being condensed . >> >> A SPP is almost massless (lighter than a neutrino) which implies a very >> high maximum temperature of condensation. >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >> >>> *From:* Kevin O'Malley >>> >>> >>> >>> What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein >>> Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. >>> >>> >>> >>> We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. >>> >>> >>> >>> One big problem with any BEC theory is that "One experimental fact is >>> that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature." >>> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory >>> >>> Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) >>> would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible >>> kind. >>> >>> In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of >>> LENR (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be >>> different in the details. >>> >>> One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the >>> temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the >>> output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it >>> would possibly be valuable for alternative energy. >>> >>> Jones >>> >> >> >
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luttinger_liquid This is almost exactly on-target for what we have been talking about in the aftermath of the Cooper/Seldon patent disclosure. QUOTE: Among the physical systems believed to be described by the Luttinger model are: 1)artificial 'quantum wires' (one-dimensional strips of electrons 2)electrons in carbon nanotubes A shortened name that comes to mind - at least for the electron variety is LEC or Luttinger electron condensate. In an experiment which is similar to the Seldon patent application, but different, we could prepare a colloid of (6,6) CNT in plain water, possibly with a potassium electrolyte, and freeze that water in a modest magnetic field. If - on receiving a coherent light pulse from a sodium vapor lamp, a strong fluorescence effect is seen which is upshifted to the Lyman-alpha hydrogen line (wavelength of 121.6 nm in the UV) from about 589 nm yellow of sodium- we have a good indication of an energy anomaly which can be incorporated into a 2 step experiment or used alone as an upshifting mechanism, if it is intense. Lyman-alpha astronomy is well known and specialized detectors are available - but any color-blind fool can usually distinguish violet from yellow. From: Kevin O'Malley What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. One big problem with any BEC theory is that "One experimental fact is that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature." http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible kind. In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be different in the details. One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it would possibly be valuable for alternative energy. Jones
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"states" should read "statistics". On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > more,,, > > In Bose-Einstein states the quantum concentration Nq (particles per > volume) is proportional to the total mass M of the system: > > Nq=(MkT/2πℏ2)3/2 > where k Boltzmann constant, T temperature > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> The maximum temperature at which a BEC is sustained is directly related >> to the mass of the particle being condensed . >> >> A SPP is almost massless (lighter than a neutrino) which implies a very >> high maximum temperature of condensation. >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >> >>> *From:* Kevin O'Malley >>> >>> >>> >>> What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein >>> Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. >>> >>> >>> >>> We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. >>> >>> >>> >>> One big problem with any BEC theory is that "One experimental fact is >>> that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature." >>> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory >>> >>> Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) >>> would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible >>> kind. >>> >>> In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of >>> LENR (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be >>> different in the details. >>> >>> One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the >>> temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the >>> output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it >>> would possibly be valuable for alternative energy. >>> >>> Jones >>> >> >> >
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more,,, In Bose-Einstein states the quantum concentration Nq (particles per volume) is proportional to the total mass M of the system: Nq=(MkT/2πℏ2)3/2 where k Boltzmann constant, T temperature On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The maximum temperature at which a BEC is sustained is directly related to > the mass of the particle being condensed . > > A SPP is almost massless (lighter than a neutrino) which implies a very > high maximum temperature of condensation. > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> *From:* Kevin O'Malley >> >> >> >> What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein >> Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. >> >> >> >> We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. >> >> >> >> One big problem with any BEC theory is that "One experimental fact is >> that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature." >> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory >> >> Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) >> would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible >> kind. >> >> In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR >> (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be >> different in the details. >> >> One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the >> temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the >> output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it >> would possibly be valuable for alternative energy. >> >> Jones >> > >
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The maximum temperature at which a BEC is sustained is directly related to the mass of the particle being condensed . A SPP is almost massless (lighter than a neutrino) which implies a very high maximum temperature of condensation. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* Kevin O'Malley > > > > What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein > Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. > > > > We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. > > > > One big problem with any BEC theory is that "One experimental fact is that > the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature." > http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory > > Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) > would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible > kind. > > In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR > (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be > different in the details. > > One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the > temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the > output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it > would possibly be valuable for alternative energy. > > Jones >
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10^15 is 1 000 000 000 000 000 or quadrillion or thousand billion On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > 100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in > research papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in > nanoplasmonic research. > > I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor > because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used. > > This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla. > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> >> >> *From:* Bob Cook >> >> >> >> Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of >> radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena. >> >> >> >> Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? >> Is that a typo? >> >> >> >> That is quite a shock, in more ways than one ... even if the authors had >> somehow missed it by a factor of 100... the only question we should be asking >> ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into >> their experiments ? >> >> >> >> Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of >> Physical Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of >> China is not considered by some to be credible? >> >> >> >> No... methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness... of the >> First World variety... >> >> >> >> BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were >> probably educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics >> doctorates awarded in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to >> temporary visa holders - most of whom come from Asia. That should come as >> no surprise to anyone walking around the top University physics departments. >> >> >> *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint >> >> >> >> >> http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf >> >> >> >> Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to my >> posting a few mins ago... "Of Metronomes and Molecules..." Once again, we >> find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole... ;-) >> >> Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of >> cyberspace which we are tuned into this week ... another angle on the >> metronome effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). >> >> BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a "virtual rabbit >> hole" for "virtual cooling" in which bosons at high temperature can >> condense, then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A >> Cooper pair of electrons is a composite boson. >> >> Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based >> on electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other >> possibilities). >> >> >> >> >
RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
From: Kevin O'Malley What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids. One big problem with any BEC theory is that "One experimental fact is that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature." http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible kind. In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be different in the details. One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it would possibly be valuable for alternative energy. Jones
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100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in research papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in nanoplasmonic research. I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used. This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > > *From:* Bob Cook > > > > Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of > radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena. > > > > Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? Is > that a typo? > > > > That is quite a shock, in more ways than one ... even if the authors had > somehow missed it by a factor of 100... the only question we should be asking > ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into > their experiments ? > > > > Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of > Physical Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of > China is not considered by some to be credible? > > > > No... methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness... of the > First World variety... > > > > BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were > probably educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics > doctorates awarded in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to > temporary visa holders - most of whom come from Asia. That should come as > no surprise to anyone walking around the top University physics departments. > > > *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint > > > > > http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf > > > > Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to my > posting a few mins ago... "Of Metronomes and Molecules..." Once again, we > find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole... ;-) > > Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of > cyberspace which we are tuned into this week ... another angle on the > metronome effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). > > BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a "virtual rabbit > hole" for "virtual cooling" in which bosons at high temperature can > condense, then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A > Cooper pair of electrons is a composite boson. > > Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on > electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other > possibilities). > > > >
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Sure sounds like a Luttinger Liquid to me. But in this case, rather than the liquid forming out of gas state, it is a solid forming out of liquid state. Either way, it points to a large, localized, single-file effect of lower-than-anticipated temperature. Such a state favors the formation of a BEC. What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. One big problem with any BEC theory is that "One experimental fact is that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature." http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory So maybe the BEC formation is just the initiator of some 2nd stage, more coherent LENR reaction. Evidence for this would be: When Celani measured Gamma rays at Rossi's demo, it only occurred during the startup phase. Also, the same thing seems to be happening at MFMP, it seems to only happen during startup. My proposal for how this happens is that H1 monoatomic gas is adsorbed into the lattice and recombines into H2 gas, and this is an endothermic reaction. That is what sets up temperatures cold enough for the formation of a BEC or V1DLLBEC. My instinct tells me that the 2nd stage LENR reaction is Reversible Proton Fusion (RPF) because it is by far the most abundantly occurring fusion in nature. Basically, we set up the conditions where fusion occurred with a BEC, and then once the physical system sees fusion occurring, Nature wants to see RPF taking place. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > > > http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf > > > > Quote: "The behavior of water inside the smallest (6,6) CNT notably > differs from that in larger tubes. Below the phase transition temperature > water confined within the (6,6) CNT forms an ice-like single file > structure." END > > > > Apparently as much as 250K difference can be seen in the small diameter > tubes indicating a QM effect. > > > > > > >
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From: Bob Cook Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena. Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? Is that a typo? That is quite a shock, in more ways than one . even if the authors had somehow missed it by a factor of 100. the only question we should be asking ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into their experiments ? Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of Physical Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China is not considered by some to be credible? No. methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness. of the First World variety. BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were probably educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics doctorates awarded in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to temporary visa holders - most of whom come from Asia. That should come as no surprise to anyone walking around the top University physics departments. From: MarkI-ZeroPoint http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/ 2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to my posting a few mins ago. "Of Metronomes and Molecules..." Once again, we find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole. ;-) Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a "virtual rabbit hole" for "virtual cooling" in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of electrons is a composite boson. Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other possibilities).
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Guys, With nanotubes and QM - an argument can be made of a significantly large temperature differential inside vs outside CNT, but the minimum size is important. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf Quote: “The behavior of water inside the smallest (6,6) CNT notably differs from that in larger tubes. Below the phase transition temperature water confined within the (6,6) CNT forms an ice-like single file structure.” END Apparently as much as 250K difference can be seen in the small diameter tubes indicating a QM effect. In principal, then it is not out of the question that Cooper pairs of electrons could from inside magnetized tubes (6,6) CNT and then be accelerated by tube vibrational resonance. You want the tube as hot as possible but not too hot. (the goldilocks rule) If the tube was held at around 250 K, which any good refrigerator can hit, this could happen. This is not cold fusion but an extremely cold cathode effect. In fact, in such a case – the “Edison effect” of cathode emission would serve to further cool the tubes, setting up a positive feedback situation. Maybe Rossi’s “mouse” can be improved as a chilled mousse of CNT:-)
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From: David Roberson Jones, are you suggesting that particles inside a CNT can exist at a lower temperature than those outside? That is an interesting question. I would initially think that this would violate thermodynamic laws, but strange things do happen. Have you seen any reference to this type of behavior and how would it be measured? Dave An argument can be made of a temperature differential inside vs outside. Check this out http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf I am still looking for a paper more on point. And more extreme.
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Jones, are you suggesting that particles inside a CNT can exist at a lower temperature than those outside? That is an interesting question. I would initially think that this would violate thermodynamic laws, but strange things do happen. Have you seen any reference to this type of behavior and how would it be measured? Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 10:20 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current From:MarkI-ZeroPoint http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw yourattention to my posting a few mins ago… “Of Metronomes andMolecules...” Once again, we find ourselves bumpinginto each other down in this rabbit hole… ;-) Yes, looks like there is anemergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace which we are tuned into thisweek … another angle on the metronome effect would a new kind of phononcooling (as in laser cooling). BTW – if in a nanotubeexperiment - there does exist a “virtual rabbit hole” for “virtualcooling” in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then theinside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of electrons isa composite boson. Thus there could be a hybrid ortwo step regime for LENR which is based on electron acceleration, via CNTentrapment. (not to mention other possibilities).
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Jones-- Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:20 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current From: MarkI-ZeroPoint http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to my posting a few mins ago. "Of Metronomes and Molecules..." Once again, we find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole. ;-) Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a "virtual rabbit hole" for "virtual cooling" in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of electrons is a composite boson. Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other possibilities).
RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/ 2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to my posting a few mins ago. "Of Metronomes and Molecules..." Once again, we find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole. ;-) Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a "virtual rabbit hole" for "virtual cooling" in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of electrons is a composite boson. Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other possibilities).
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Jones wrote: Here is an interesting item that turned up. http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/ 2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf It is not precisely on point for the Rossi effect, nor for the Cooper patent application, but there is a strong analogy for a complex mechanism which involves all of these factors below, operating together. 1)CNT which are hollow 2)SPP 3)Magnetic field alignment 4)Light source 5)Ni-H LENR (of some variety) to power all of the above and provide excess heat Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to my posting a few mins ago. "Of Metronomes and Molecules..." Once again, we find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole. ;-) -mark From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:23 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current From: Axil the tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, It's probably a lot more complicated than that. Even Ed seems to be admitting now that there are several possible varieties of LENR J In the Rossi effect - LENR may not occur in tubes, and it doesn't need to. Or else, in Kevin's version it could happen inside tubes due to 1D condensation. The jury is still out on that point. However, even if CNT do not promote LENR by themselves (internally), they could still serve the secondary purpose of powering the light source, and SPP formation - by accelerating electrons which then produce radiation in the visible spectrum. Here is an interesting item that turned up. http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/ 2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf It is not precisely on point for the Rossi effect, nor for the Cooper patent application, but there is a strong analogy for a complex mechanism which involves all of these factors below, operating together. 6)CNT which are hollow 7)SPP 8)Magnetic field alignment 9)Light source 10) Ni-H LENR (of some variety) to power all of the above and provide excess heat The idea is that the external light source starts the reaction, as in the Cooper patent, which is then self sustaining for a period, based on self-generated light (or alternatively IR photons from LENR heat). I wish we had actual data from Cooper (and Rossi) but it is understandable why this may not be forthcoming anytime soon.
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Fran and others: You may be able to get some molecules inside the CNT in a cryogenic state using liquid He or N as a carrier/dispersant. The NO molecule may be too big to fit inside the tubes. The cryogenic conditions avoid reactions until the He or NO is allowed to warm up and leave the system. On the other hand a high temperature Ni vapor may be able to enter the tubes. Does anyone know if CNT comes in a bigger variety than the 5 C's in a ring arrangement? Bob - Original Message - From: Roarty, Francis X To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the tube? Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Bob, all If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which adds porosity and surface features. Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can probably be improved, and may have been improved already. Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which nickel has been deposited. or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover catalysts. The citation is in the archives. From: Bob Cook It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?"
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- Original Message - From: Roarty, Francis X To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the tube? Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Bob, all If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which adds porosity and surface features. Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can probably be improved, and may have been improved already. Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which nickel has been deposited. or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover catalysts. The citation is in the archives. From: Bob Cook It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?"
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Sorry. Please add this to the top of the last post: I assert that the LENR effect is a surface effect ( aka two dimensional) because high frequency electrons current flow exclusively on the surface of a conducted driven by the skin effect. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The plexciton is just an alternating current of electrons that vibrate at > the frequency of the infrared radiation carried by the nickel hydride > permeating the lattice of the micro-particles. > > The electrons on the surface of the metal particles move freely and are > driven to vibrate by the phonons of the metal lattice of the particle. > > These electrons are periodically displaced from the ions of the lattice. > This displacement causes electrons and ions to be accumulated on the > surfaces at opposite ends of the nano/micro particles. Because these > particles attract each other there is a restoring force. > > This restoring force results in the formation of an electron oscillator > whose quantum is called a surface plasmon and whose frequency is determined > by the restoring force. This frequency reflects the effective mass of the > electron. > > The frequency of the surface plasmon not only depends on the metals > composition of the particle but also on its size and shape, on the > dielectric material that surrounds the particle, and finally on the shape > of the particle be it either elongated or spherical because of the varied > distance between the two opposite ends. > Laser light is a poor energy source for the plexciton because laser light > is a plane wave. This type of pure EMF needs a surface imperfection to be > converted to dipole vibrations. > > The best source of lattice vibration is plain old heat from a heater. > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > >> >> On Mar 3, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >> >> *From:* Axil >> >> the tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface >> reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the >> tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, >> >> It's probably a lot more complicated than that. Even Ed seems to be >> admitting now that there are several possible varieties of LENR J >> >> >> Jones, I believe several different reactions occur but they all are >> caused by the same NAE and the same mechanism. The Rossi effect creates >> energy by p-e-p fusion. The F-P effect produces energy by d-e-d fusion. >> Tritium is made by d-e-p fusion. Transmutation is caused by various metal >> atoms being present in the site where fusion occurs and they become part of >> the process. Transmutation clearly is not possible without energy that can >> be supplied by fusion of hydrogen. All the nuclear processes are related >> and are part of the same basic process. Nature does not keep reinventing >> the wheel for every different reaction. At least that is my assumption and >> I sticking to it. >> >> >> Ed Storms. >> >> >
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The plexciton is just an alternating current of electrons that vibrate at the frequency of the infrared radiation carried by the nickel hydride permeating the lattice of the micro-particles. The electrons on the surface of the metal particles move freely and are driven to vibrate by the phonons of the metal lattice of the particle. These electrons are periodically displaced from the ions of the lattice. This displacement causes electrons and ions to be accumulated on the surfaces at opposite ends of the nano/micro particles. Because these particles attract each other there is a restoring force. This restoring force results in the formation of an electron oscillator whose quantum is called a surface plasmon and whose frequency is determined by the restoring force. This frequency reflects the effective mass of the electron. The frequency of the surface plasmon not only depends on the metals composition of the particle but also on its size and shape, on the dielectric material that surrounds the particle, and finally on the shape of the particle be it either elongated or spherical because of the varied distance between the two opposite ends. Laser light is a poor energy source for the plexciton because laser light is a plane wave. This type of pure EMF needs a surface imperfection to be converted to dipole vibrations. The best source of lattice vibration is plain old heat from a heater. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > *From:* Axil > > the tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. > To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be > filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, > > It's probably a lot more complicated than that. Even Ed seems to be > admitting now that there are several possible varieties of LENR J > > > Jones, I believe several different reactions occur but they all are caused > by the same NAE and the same mechanism. The Rossi effect creates energy by > p-e-p fusion. The F-P effect produces energy by d-e-d fusion. Tritium is > made by d-e-p fusion. Transmutation is caused by various metal atoms being > present in the site where fusion occurs and they become part of the > process. Transmutation clearly is not possible without energy that can be > supplied by fusion of hydrogen. All the nuclear processes are related and > are part of the same basic process. Nature does not keep reinventing the > wheel for every different reaction. At least that is my assumption and I > sticking to it. > > > Ed Storms. > >
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On Mar 3, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > From: Axil > the tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To > strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be > filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, > > It’s probably a lot more complicated than that. Even Ed seems to be admitting > now that there are several possible varieties of LENR J > Jones, I believe several different reactions occur but they all are caused by the same NAE and the same mechanism. The Rossi effect creates energy by p-e-p fusion. The F-P effect produces energy by d-e-d fusion. Tritium is made by d-e-p fusion. Transmutation is caused by various metal atoms being present in the site where fusion occurs and they become part of the process. Transmutation clearly is not possible without energy that can be supplied by fusion of hydrogen. All the nuclear processes are related and are part of the same basic process. Nature does not keep reinventing the wheel for every different reaction. At least that is my assumption and I sticking to it. > Ed Storms.
RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
From: Axil the tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, It's probably a lot more complicated than that. Even Ed seems to be admitting now that there are several possible varieties of LENR :-) In the Rossi effect - LENR may not occur in tubes, and it doesn't need to. Or else, in Kevin's version it could happen inside tubes due to 1D condensation. The jury is still out on that point. However, even if CNT do not promote LENR by themselves (internally), they could still serve the secondary purpose of powering the light source, and SPP formation - by accelerating electrons which then produce radiation in the visible spectrum. Here is an interesting item that turned up. http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/ 2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf It is not precisely on point for the Rossi effect, nor for the Cooper patent application, but there is a strong analogy for a complex mechanism which involves all of these factors below, operating together. 1)CNT which are hollow 2)SPP 3)Magnetic field alignment 4)Light source 5)Ni-H LENR (of some variety) to power all of the above and provide excess heat The idea is that the external light source starts the reaction, as in the Cooper patent, which is then self sustaining for a period, based on self-generated light (or alternatively IR photons from LENR heat). I wish we had actual data from Cooper (and Rossi) but it is understandable why this may not be forthcoming anytime soon.
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The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: > I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of > skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the > tube? > > Fran > > *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] > *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current > > > > Bob, all > > > > If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but > instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which > adds porosity and surface features. > > > > Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT > is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can > probably be improved, and may have been improved already. > > > > Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a > superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which > nickel has been deposited... or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski > alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover > catalysts. The citation is in the archives. > > > > *From:* Bob Cook > > > > It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni > distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. > > > > Jones. Is this what you meant by: " > > "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint > of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?" > > > > > > > >
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Carbon is the very good material to build a very high temperature reactor out of. It doesn't melt and stays together up to 3642 °C. Without a doubt, a carbon reactor and/or a tungsten one (3422 °C) is the way to go. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Bob, all > > > > If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but > instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which > adds porosity and surface features. > > > > Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT > is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can > probably be improved, and may have been improved already. > > > > Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a > superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which > nickel has been deposited... or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski > alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover > catalysts. The citation is in the archives. > > > > *From:* Bob Cook > > > > It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni > distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. > > > > Jones. Is this what you meant by: " > > "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint > of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?" > > > > > > > >
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I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the tube? Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Bob, all If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which adds porosity and surface features. Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can probably be improved, and may have been improved already. Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which nickel has been deposited... or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover catalysts. The citation is in the archives. From: Bob Cook It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?"
RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Bob, all If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which adds porosity and surface features. Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can probably be improved, and may have been improved already. Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which nickel has been deposited. or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover catalysts. The citation is in the archives. From: Bob Cook It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?"
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Or maybe he was referring to Mills..Rayney Ni is NiAl with Al partially leached out? From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:55 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?" Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Designing those nano-hairs on the micro-particles are at the heart of the success of the NiH reactor. Rossi said he spent 6 months of day and night experimental effort to optimize his nano-hairs. Give DGT credit for coming up with a workable nano-hair design. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: From: Bob Cook Is there any available knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano particles Rossi is rumored to use? There are past posts in the archive which have speculated on his tubules or tubercles, but it may be counterproductive to try to deconstruct Rossi. He hints at buying his special nickel from a Hobbit in Italy, and magic many be involved. :) It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel. Nickel chloride is interesting in this regard, since it is soluble and since chlorine has special energetic properties of its own - when irradiated with light. In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, "ring current" in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy water is probably not required. There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no. One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic. Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it would show up independently). Is there a correlate? Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case. The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input. For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be more convincing than helium and far easier to document. Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and possibly crude water bath calorimetry). Jones
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?" Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Designing those nano-hairs on the micro-particles are at the heart of the success of the NiH reactor. Rossi said he spent 6 months of day and night experimental effort to optimize his nano-hairs. Give DGT credit for coming up with a workable nano-hair design. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Bob Cook Is there any available knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano particles Rossi is rumored to use? There are past posts in the archive which have speculated on his tubules or tubercles, but it may be counterproductive to try to deconstruct Rossi. He hints at buying his special nickel from a Hobbit in Italy, and magic many be involved. J It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel. Nickel chloride is interesting in this regard, since it is soluble and since chlorine has special energetic properties of its own - when irradiated with light. In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, "ring current" in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy water is probably not required. There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no. One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic. Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it would show up independently). Is there a correlate? Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case. The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input. For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be more convincing than helium and far easier to document. Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and possibly crude water bath calorimetry). Jones
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Designing those nano-hairs on the micro-particles are at the heart of the success of the NiH reactor. Rossi said he spent 6 months of day and night experimental effort to optimize his nano-hairs. Give DGT credit for coming up with a workable nano-hair design. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* Bob Cook > > > > Is there any available knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano > particles Rossi is rumored to use? > > > > There are past posts in the archive which have speculated on his tubules > or tubercles, but it may be counterproductive to try to deconstruct Rossi. > He hints at buying his special nickel from a Hobbit in Italy, and magic > many be involved. J > > > > It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint > of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel. > > > > Nickel chloride is interesting in this regard, since it is soluble and > since chlorine has special energetic properties of its own - when > irradiated with light. > > > > In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, "ring > current" in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work > together with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would > function as nano electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding > mention of the ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the > electrons. Heavy water is probably not required. > > > > There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see > photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially > one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how > that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, > about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could > provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no. > > > > One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent > application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above > suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense > light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic. > > > > Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron > passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the > phase velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov > radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the > intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas > bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV > which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it > would show up independently). Is there a correlate? > > > > Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to > Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which > electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since > SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, > there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to > Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster > resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from > the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case. > > > > The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple > device described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be > able to see a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time > after the input power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons > than the input. For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, > the afterglow could be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, > this would actually be more convincing than helium and far easier to > document. > > > > Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand > up to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT > reactor can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial > replication which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and > afterglow (and possibly crude water bath calorimetry). > > > > Jones > > > > > > > >
RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
From: Bob Cook Is there any available knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano particles Rossi is rumored to use? There are past posts in the archive which have speculated on his tubules or tubercles, but it may be counterproductive to try to deconstruct Rossi. He hints at buying his special nickel from a Hobbit in Italy, and magic many be involved. :-) It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel. Nickel chloride is interesting in this regard, since it is soluble and since chlorine has special energetic properties of its own - when irradiated with light. In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, "ring current" in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy water is probably not required. There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no. One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic. Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it would show up independently). Is there a correlate? Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case. The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input. For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be more convincing than helium and far easier to document. Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and possibly crude water bath calorimetry). Jones
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
Jones-- Is there any available knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano particles Rossi is rumored to use? I would think they would be small crystals of Ni with its typical cubic structure, however, there may be other geometries that form, particularly, if impurities are added to the mix of elements making up the nano particle. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, "ring current" in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy water is probably not required. There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no. One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic. Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it would show up independently). Is there a correlate? Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case. The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input. For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be more convincing than helium and far easier to document. Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and possibly crude water bath calorimetry). Jones
RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, "ring current" in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy water is probably not required. There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no. One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic. Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it would show up independently). Is there a correlate? Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case. The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input. For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be more convincing than helium and far easier to document. Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and possibly crude water bath calorimetry). Jones
RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
From: Axil Axil I think that the direction of the current rings alternate down the length of the nanotube which would negate the axial magnetic field. Check if this is true. I did not word the description very well. Yes, the current rings would probably alternate down the length and around the circumference, so they would not provide an axial field themselves. They would however provide a very intense focusing field, just as do quadrupole and hexapole magnets on any large beam line. That need for an axial field is why an external field becomes important. A weak magnetic field must be provided from outside the system which will be the axial field in which weak field lines which are being focused by CNT would be highly compressed so that any charged particle seeing those lines would tend to take the opposite alignment, be attracted and thereafter be subject to acceleration forces when inside the tube. For Fran Roarty's amusement, this is where the Casimir force could enter the picture since the interior dimension of CNT is precisely the Casimir prime exclusion zone for virtual photons. There is no proof of any of this for now - but in the event that anyone should see photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, then this provides a plausible explanation of how that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) provides the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no. I am using the wording: field "lines" as an abstraction for simplicity and do not espouse the existence of physical lines.
Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current
I think that the direction of the current rings alternate down the length of the nanotube which would negate the axial magnetic field. Check if this is true. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Here are some marginally connected observations which could be relevant to > CNT (carbon nano tubes) as the active matrix in LENR, when irradiated by > SPP. A prediction also can be derived as to what spectrum to look for as a > signature of CNT anomalous gain. > > The carbon-carbon bond length in graphene is about 0.142 nanometers. > > Since there are 6 of these bonds in one complete circuit around the ring > but > the electron path is not uniform ... the effective length of the electrical > circuit for ring current could be near one nm in graphene. We can use that > value as a convenient starter. > > There are no losses in ring current ... so can it not be considered > superconductive at a local level? > > In normal graphene, antiferromagnetic tendencies wash out the possibility > of > a net effect in developing a strong magnetic field, since an systemic > alignment mechanism is absent. With CNT this would be different. > > BTW - a photon of 3 x 10^17 Hz, or 300 PHz (PetaHertz) which is on the > borderline of EUV and X-ray corresponds to this wavelength (1 nm). This is > about 1240 eV as we know from hc. This level of mass-energy as a photon, > 1240 eV would be undetectable by most radiation monitors, and is thus > consistent with a resonant LENR emission. This value for a photon, or a > value closer to 1 keV, could turn up as a signature for CNT LENR. > > Ring currents could create a large axial effective magnetic field in CNT > when first aligned by even a weak PM. However think about the polarities. > There are many ring current sites around the circumference of the CNT, and > these would be alternating in polarity. The net effect of this geometry is > that field lines down the center of the CNT would be focused and compressed > by ring currents as if they were typical focusing magnets in a beam line. > > These resultant axial magnetic fields of CNT could be immense, so as to > accelerate free electrons which ventured into the tubes to very high > velocity, especially with help from Casimir exclusion. Now the stage is > set > for feedback leading to coherency. > > Using the definition of ~6×10^18 electrons per second constituting one amp > and one mole being of ~6 X10^23 elementary entities, and the frequency > being > PHz due to SPP, then it is possible that each gram of carbon could supply > Peta-Amps-turns to internal magnetic uses. Even if one carbon ring per > million is operational, very large net energy effects are possible via > accelerated electrons. Photons are created from Bremsstrahlung at the > resonance level around a keV and coherency develops. > > For any photon to be converted into DC in such a way as to amplify ring > current, it is fair to assume that it must be resonant within a narrow > limit > of the circuit length. It could then be possible for some kind of mutual > coherency to develop in a feedback loop between the CNT, acting as > nano-accelerators of electrons, and photons created from Bremsstrahlung at > the resonance level around 1240 eV or less. Knowing this exact value would > be highly advantageous in the design of a proper resonant device. > > More details to follow ... > > >