[SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-03 Thread verypsb
Compilation albums with an album artist doesn't show any tracks on Duet Controller/iPeng. (when browsing the artist menu) The Squeezebox Server HTTP interface shows track and artist information as expected. (The compilation albums aren't tagged with a compilation flag) -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x C

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-04 Thread verypsb
If I enable the compilation tag the album artist is ignored, it only shows up under various artists. It does however show the correct artist & title information. -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Duet, 1x Touch verypsb's

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>If I enable the compilation tag the album artist is ignored, it only >shows up under various artists. It does however show the correct artist >& title information. That's correct - intentional by design. When browsing artists, the "Various Artists" artist name isn't really an artist, and the alb

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>Compilation albums with an album artist doesn't show any tracks on Duet >Controller/iPeng. (when browsing the artist menu) The Squeezebox Server >HTTP interface shows track and artist information as expected. (The >compilation albums aren't tagged with a compilation flag) Well, by definition, if y

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-05 Thread MrSinatra
please vote for his bug in my sig. SBS is very tedious in its sub par handling of comp issues. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-05 Thread JJZolx
Philip Meyer;600127 Wrote: > Well, by definition, if you don't have an compilation tag and have > defined an album artist tag, the album isn't a compilation. Not really 'by definition', more like 'by implementation'. I recently got a Sansa Fuze portable Mp3 player and loaded Rockbox on it. Its

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-05 Thread verypsb
The strange thing is that I haven't changed my tags, and it did work before... -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Duet, 1x Touch verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: h

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-05 Thread MrSinatra
JJZolx;600170 Wrote: > Not really 'by definition', more like 'by implementation'. exactly right, and to be specific, the SBS implementation. for YEARS i have been saying the presence, or lack of it, of an AA tag should not mandatorily indicate anything regarding comp status one way or the other

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread erland
JJZolx;600170 Wrote: > > I'm a little torn about whether or not this would be an improvement for > SbS. For one thing, it might force you to add ALBUMARTIST tags to every > album, which is not common, in order to use this browse mode. Also, > Rockbox can't sort albums by artist, so I'm not sur

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread Philip Meyer
erland;600220 Wrote: > The issue is that SBS tries to do everything with a single browse menu > and instead force the user to change settings to change the behavior. Well, partially right - there are several browse menus: Browse Artists / Years / Genres / etc, and Browse Albums The problem with

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread MrSinatra
guys, not trying to beat a dead horse here, but i really wonder if some people can see the forest through the trees? please have another look at this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74822 the main jist of it is that the current design fails in multiple ways, and that the

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread erland
MrSinatra;600382 Wrote: > > the main jist of it is that the current design fails in multiple ways, > and that there is an easily available alternative way that is intuitive > and makes sense. > Just to make sure I understand this, what would the easily available alternative be ? Most of us wan

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread Phil Meyer
>not trying to beat a dead horse here Really? There really aren't that many posts in this forum from users other than from yourself about it. >the main jist of it is that the current design fails in multiple ways, Oh what a suprise, you've posted about a post from yourself on the same subject a

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread Phil Meyer
>Most of us want flexible browsing instead of new options, so we don't >have to argue about that. Agreed. >Unfortunately this have never been a priority >for Logitech and I haven't seen any indication that it's about to >change. Very true. >I don't want to add ALBUMARTIST tags to my normal albums

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;600430 Wrote: > > > >To me, it makes more sense to separate: > >- Main artists > >- All artists > > > >Instead of the current solution where we separate: > >- Artists on normal albums > >- Artists on compilation albums > > > The information is already there: get a distinct list of

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread MrSinatra
erland;600395 Wrote: > Just to make sure I understand this, what would the easily available > alternative be ? its in that thread. i can repeat it here, but lets break down the detail there. suffice it to say... ...think of it this way, the scanner already gets pretty much all the important t

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread erland
MrSinatra;600469 Wrote: > its in that thread. i can repeat it here, but lets break down the > detail there. suffice it to say... > > ...think of it this way, the scanner already gets pretty much all the > important tags into the DB. all that has to be done, is change the > manipulation of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread JJZolx
I did some more experimenting to see how Rockbox does it. Any track that doesn't have an explicit ALBUMARTIST simply has the artist copied to albumartist in the database. And there doesn't appear to be any special handling of compilations at all. It doesn't recognize compilation tags, identify

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread Mnyb
Hmm I would argue that AA tags are not very common at all . The typical "recomended" string for EAC does not add it and cd rippers using freedb never adds it ? I don't think it is in freedB's metadata . And freedB is7was a very common way to get this data And actually not seen it in commerciall

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-06 Thread erland
JJZolx;600477 Wrote: > > It's the automatic detection of compilation albums by Squeezebox Server > that lets it function without _any_ additional tagging beyond the > standard artist, album, title and track. No need for ALBUMARTIST or > COMPILATION tags at all. > Maybe we should start to look

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread MrSinatra
Mnyb;600479 Wrote: > Hmm I would argue that AA tags are not very common at all . > > The typical "recomended" string for EAC does not add it and cd rippers > using freedb never adds it ? I don't think it is in freedB's metadata > . > > And freedB is7was a very common way to get this data > > A

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>You are right, I missed the albums.contributor column, I was just >looking at the roles in the contributor_track and contributor_album >tables. Now the current database contents makes a bit more sense. > There is a difference/something to bear in mind. Obviously album.contributor can only have on

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread MrSinatra
JJZolx;600477 Wrote: > Having a compilation album with no explicit ALBUMARTIST will mean > that the track-artists end up in the album artist browse list. > Cons: The big drawback is #4 above. Without adding that explicit ALBUMARTIST to keep compilations separate from other albums and to su

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>whatever, put the power in the users hands! don't have restrictive, >unintuitive, ridiculous, silly methods of entry (home>albums, >home>artists, etc...) Why is that silly??? You say you want more than one view, and SBS has that - Browse Artists, Browse Albums, etc. And then you say that's silly

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>If you have the time and is interested in helping, I would love if you >would try the "Tags" menu provided by "Custom Browse" when used >together with the "Mixed Tag" scanning module in "Custom Scan" plugin >and give me some feedback. I don't think that's what he is looking for. He wants somethin

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;600494 Wrote: > >You are right, I missed the albums.contributor column, I was just > >looking at the roles in the contributor_track and contributor_album > >tables. Now the current database contents makes a bit more sense. > > > There is a difference/something to bear in mind. > > O

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Mnyb
Another dumb Q for my own education. (I'll ask now while the s/n of tread is on it's way down) Is not logitech missing the point with a dB ? in the first place . If they prefilter the information prior to storing it :confused: Should not a datbase be simply as storage off information about the

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;600503 Wrote: > >If you have the time and is interested in helping, I would love if you > >would try the "Tags" menu provided by "Custom Browse" when used > >together with the "Mixed Tag" scanning module in "Custom Scan" plugin > >and give me some feedback. > I don't think that's wha

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;600500 Wrote: > >whatever, put the power in the users hands! don't have restrictive, > >unintuitive, ridiculous, silly methods of entry (home>albums, > >home>artists, etc...) > Why is that silly??? > You say you want more than one view, and SBS has that - Browse Artists, > Browse Al

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread erland
Mnyb;600507 Wrote: > > SBS seems to use it's own "internal meta data format" ? and the dB is > in that format ok ? > Nothing wrong with improving the information during scanning but I agree that it shouldn't improve it based on how you like to browse it. As long as the improvement of the data i

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread MrSinatra
erland;600508 Wrote: > That might be the case but then I don't understand how do you make a > solution like that user friendly on the Controller and Radio. There is > a reason a classic iPod have a different user interface than iTunes on > a computer. > > I can see some usage on the web interfac

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread erland
MrSinatra;600513 Wrote: > you could have a bunch of sort methods predefined, and you would just > cycle thru them. the predefined list would of course be editable, so > you could delete sorts you didn't use and add ones you wanted. > > these issues could be overcome, not a big deal. > When/if

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread erland
MrSinatra;600511 Wrote: > > i really think you don't understand what i am saying or suggesting. > > lets say you had one view based on a specific folder location that was > a subset of your files. using my suggestion, you could sort that view > any way you wanted: > > albums, year > artist, a

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>I think multiple album artists should be represented as a band/group, >in this case "Jimmy Page & Robert Plant" instead of two individual >artists. If you want to represent them as individual artists you get >into problem when you want to sort the "Albums" menu by artist, should >this be sorted by

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>I think the settings that requires a rescan is: >- "Separator for Multiple Items in Tags" >- "Group discs" >- "Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as "... Sounds about right - there aren't many things that cause a rescan. But I think you also missed "Articles To Ignore When Sorting". Also, they are generally t

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>That might be the case but then I don't understand how do you make a >solution like that user friendly on the Controller and Radio. There is >a reason a classic iPod have a different user interface than iTunes on >a computer. Exactly. iPod UI is pretty rubbish in terms of browsing libraries, and

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread JJZolx
Philip Meyer;600700 Wrote: > >I think multiple album artists should be represented as a band/group, > >in this case "Jimmy Page & Robert Plant" instead of two individual > >artists. If you want to represent them as individual artists you get > >into problem when you want to sort the "Albums" menu

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>- You don't have to add ALBUMARTISTs to any album. Artists will end > up in album artist list without them. > Same as SBS. >- The way to identify and group compilation albums is to add an > ALBUMARTIST, and the string used can be anything you like: "Various", > "Compilations", "Various Arti

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>Maybe we should start to look at this as automatically assigning album >artist instead of automatic detection of compilation albums. > Doesn't it already do this by storing an album artist in albums.contributor (albeit if there are more than one, it would need to find the album artists via the c

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>4. do nothing and let the album appear under each artist on the album >(assuming they ever let you turn off the VA detect logic > As I've said before, it's not as simple as just turning off VA detect logic. If you did, you wouldn't have tracks with different artists gathered under a single albu

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>Hmm I would argue that AA tags are not very common at all . > >The typical "recomended" string for EAC does not add it and cd rippers >using freedb never adds it ? I don't think it is in freedB's metadata >. > >And freedB is7was a very common way to get this data > I wouldn't say that AA were comm

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;600714 Wrote: > >Maybe we should start to look at this as automatically assigning album > >artist instead of automatic detection of compilation albums. > > > Doesn't it already do this by storing an album artist in > albums.contributor (albeit if there are more than one, it would nee

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread JJZolx
erland;600723 Wrote: > My suggestion is that: > - "Group compilation albums" is hard coded to be activated > - "Artists" menu remains unchanged > - We add a new "All Artists" menu that have the same content as > "Artists" have today when you have disabled the "Group compilation > albums" setting.

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Meyer
>it has different entry points to the same one master list. > I'm not really sure what you mean by one master list. There isn't one master list. There is a proper relational DB, out of which comes hierarchies of information. It is not possible to have a single list, when the underlying content

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-07 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;600730 Wrote: > >it has different entry points to the same one master list. > > > I'm not really sure what you mean by one master list. > > There isn't one master list. There is a proper relational DB, out of > which comes hierarchies of information. It is not possible to have a >

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-08 Thread Phil Meyer
>Yes it does exactly this, I was just trying to say that maybe we >shouldn't call it "compilation album detection" because the important >stuff is really that it automatically sets "Various Artists" as the >ALBUMARTIST if there isn't an ALBUMARTIST tag an an album that contains >multiple artist. Th

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-08 Thread Phil Meyer
>That's roughly what I'd like to see as well. The "group compilation >albums" pref would be unnecessary and could go away completely, as the >"Album Artists" view is what results from grouping them and the >"Artists" view is the result of not 'grouping' them. > I agree that would be nice to provid

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-08 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;600755 Wrote: > > > >Unless I've missed something, SBS "Artists" menu is exactly the same > as > >the "Album Artists" menu in other applications, at least if you have > >ALBUMARTIST tags in all your music. If you don't have ALBUMARTIST > tags, > >SBS "Artists" menu probably behaves

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-08 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;600756 Wrote: > >That's roughly what I'd like to see as well. The "group compilation > >albums" pref would be unnecessary and could go away completely, as > the > >"Album Artists" view is what results from grouping them and the > >"Artists" view is the result of not 'grouping' them.

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-08 Thread Phil Meyer
>For people that have a lot >of compilation albums the list of albums under "Various Artists" is >going to get pretty long and in this case it would probably be a good >idea to select an individual artist to find the correct compilation >album. These users probably deactivate the "Group compilation

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-08 Thread Phil Meyer
>Well this is another issue, I suspect most users who listen to >classical music would prefer to also have separate "Composers" and >"Conductors" menus in parallel with the artist menus. It would be >better to have separate menus for composers and conductors and instead >have the option to hide the

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-08 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;600791 Wrote: > > I must admit that although I have added an "All Artists" list via > Custom Browse, I hardly ever use it, because if I want to know if I > have any tracks by an obscure artist, I just search for the artist, > rather than try to browse a rather large list. > I'm gue

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-08 Thread Phil Meyer
>I'm guessing you don't do this on Radio or Controller ? > I hardly use Radio or Touch - I find the UI annoying. SB3/Transporter/Boom is so much nicer. Quicker, more functionality, less likely to accidentally play something. I'm praying my SB3 lasts forever for my bedroom, as it's irreplaceab

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-08 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;600870 Wrote: > > > >Searching works good with touch screen/mouse or with IR > >remote+LazySearch but neither of these options are available on > >Radio/Controller. > I assume Lazy Search would work on Radio, if you use an SB3 IR remote? > No, I think it currently only supports th

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
there are way too many posts and simultaneous conversations going on to respond to them all, so instead i just want to hammer home some notions. FIRST OF ALL,[/B] THE CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION SUCKS. IT SUCKS B/C IT IS NOT USER FRIENDLY AND NOT INTUITIVE AND NOT FLEXIBLE. I'VE USED SBS A LONG TIME

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
MrSinatra;601262 Wrote: > first of all the current implementation sucks. it sucks b/c it is not > user friendly and not intuitive and not flexible. No, the current implementation doesn't suck. The implementation is doing exactly what it was set out/designed to do. It may not be how you would l

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
> it is insane, ok, INSANE that i can't on the fly switch between browsing > all artists, or browsing album artists. THAT IS A PROBLEM PHIL. I don't think it's insane. Certainly it would be nice to have a way browsing only artists that have albums or all artists, or only composers, or only orche

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
> you should be able to customize subsets of results. i don't want > whatever few different entry points to the WHOLE library SBS gives me, > thats stupid. i do want to be able to create as many "views" as i > want, that create results lists based on the criteria i choose. Try Custom Browse then

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
> once inside a view, i should be able to sort it anyway i want based on > the sorting method i pick. This one I have more trouble with, in that music isn't as simple to list in a flat table. This is what confused me with your "one master list" terminology. Artists, Albums, Songs, Genres, Years,

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601290 Wrote: > No, the current implementation doesn't suck. The implementation is > doing exactly what it was set out/designed to do. It may not be how > you would like to visualise your library. It may not be totally > flexible, but it is intuitive and works. There are loads of

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
> SBS has ridiculously conflated AA tags as meaningful as to comp > status... they aren't and shouldn't be! lots of apps put AA tags on > comps ON PURPOSE!!! [b]like it or not, thats the FACT. You are talking way over the top here. SBS doesn't get in the way of that at all. If people put AA t

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601293 Wrote: > I don't think it's insane. Certainly it would be nice to have a way > browsing only artists that have albums or all artists, or only > composers, or only orchestras, etc. But for almost all casual users, > this is not a problem at all. > Why do you see it a PROBLEM

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601297 Wrote: > Try Custom Browse then. > What you are talking about *is* nice, and I would love to see more > useful ways of browsing my music too. > But, it is unlikely that you will ever see it developed within SBS, I > think. It would be a lot of effort to develop, and continual

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > This one I have more trouble with, in that music isn't as simple to list > in a flat table. This is what confused me with your "one master list" > terminology. Artists, Albums, Songs, Genres, Years, Playlists are all > one-many relationships that make table-driven o

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > You are talking way over the top here. i am? by pointing out the facts? no, i don't think so. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > SBS doesn't get in the way of that at all. If people put AA tags on > their albums, everything will act just like any other (below-par) app

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread verypsb
Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > If people put AA tags on their albums, everything will act just like any > other (below-par) app. And this is the problem. If I put AA tags on my album with different track artists, I can't browse and thus play) any of the tracks on the Squeezebox Controller and/or i

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
When you guys talk about a "compilation" what do you really mean ? Is SBS using it's compilation indication for something else than removing artists from the main "Artists" menu and putting their albums into "Artists/Various Artists" ? I feel that I've probably missed something and "compilation"

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
MrSinatra;601262 Wrote: > > -...a final note to erland...- > > you said earlier that you don't care whats in tags, you care whats in > the DB. this really makes no sense. the DB, at least mine, is made up > of what it scanned from my tags. the whole point of an app like SBS or > winamp or wh

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
verypsb;601397 Wrote: > And this is the problem. If I put AA tags on my album with different > track artists, I can't browse (and thus play) any of the tracks on the > Squeezebox Controller and/or iPeng. The Squeezebox Server web interface > works as expected... > Is this because of some bug ? W

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread verypsb
erland;601413 Wrote: > Is this because of some bug ? Why can't you play the tracks ? > Do you use ARTIST or TRACKARTIST tag for the track artists ? I use ARTIST. I can't play them because it lists 0 tracks, so I'm unable to select a track. -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Duet, 1x Touch --

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread vagskal
erland;601403 Wrote: > > 1. > You can put ALBUMARTIST tags on your music and it will just work, put > ALBUMARTIST="European Artists" on some album and "ALBUMARTIST="American > Artists" on some other albums and you will get a "European Artists" and > a "American Artists" menu in your artists lis

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
vagskal;601451 Wrote: > If an album has both an AA tag and a compilation tag, the album artist > will not show up in the artist list (at least not if you have set this > list to show only album artists). I have not tried your second example > but my guess is that there will be a VA entry in the a

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread vagskal
erland;601461 Wrote: > Why would anyone have ALBUMARTIST and COMPILATION=1 on a track ? Is > there a reason for this ? > > The only reason I can think of is if you don't want the artist to > appear in the artist list and instead appear under "Various Artists". > Or maybe if you want compilation

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>Why would anyone have ALBUMARTIST and COMPILATION=1 on a track ? Is >there a reason for this ? > The Album Artist is just denoting the artist for the album. I don't use the two in combination, but other people may. In a list of Albums, SBS always shows the album artist name instead of its con

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>If an album has both an AA tag and a compilation tag, the album artist >will not show up in the artist list (at least not if you have set this >list to show only album artists). > I think this is because all compilations are shown under the artist name used to represent compilations. When you ge

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>As Philip has said multiple times Sorry, I get passionate and easily wound up! >you can do exactly this with third party plugins and SBS already today. >The difference is that in Winamp it's included as standard and in Winamp >it's quite a bit easier to configure. The third party plugins for SBS

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>And this is the problem. If I put AA tags on my album with different >track artists, I can't browse and thus play) any of the tracks on the >Squeezebox Controller and/or iPeng. The Squeezebox Server web interface >works as expected... I haven't got a Squeezebox Controller, so I can't confirm any b

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;601536 Wrote: > > The thing is that the browse menus need to work across a multitude of > different interfaces, which other apps like WinAmp haven't got to worry > about so much. > The WinAmp interface is clearly optimized for usage on a computer screen. However, I strongly want t

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread vagskal
Philip Meyer;601534 Wrote: > >If an album has both an AA tag and a compilation tag, the album artist > >will not show up in the artist list (at least not if you have set this > >list to show only album artists). > > > I think this is because all compilations are shown under the artist > name used

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread Phil Leigh
IN the real world there is no such attribute as "album artist", as discussed in most of this thread. There is an engineered attribute which was historically used to guide a record shop owner as to where physically to stock/display an album in their shop (or list it in their catalogues!). This attr

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread Mnyb
I think Erland is the right track they have taken this route to make the player interfaces and web-UI similar to far . It would actually be much better if they where distinctly -dissimilar- that would cause less confusion, than what we have know where they are somewhat similar and gets mixed up i

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread Philip Meyer
I agree with a lot of your synopsis post... Phil Leigh;601568 Wrote: > IN the real world there is no such attribute as "album artist", as > discussed in most of this thread. ... apart from this bit ;-) There is a real-world attribute "album artist" - it's the name that appears on the spine of a

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread Phil Meyer
>> Are you sure? I don't think I'm seeing this. I think I have added >> COMPILATION=1 to all of my compilation albums, rather than auto-detect >> compilations as I sometimes load them into iTunes. Maybe this makes a >> difference? > >The genre behaviour I am sure of (at least I see track artists

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread verypsb
Philip Meyer;601537 Wrote: > >And this is the problem. If I put AA tags on my album with different > >track artists, I can't browse (and thus play) any of the tracks on the > >Squeezebox Controller and/or iPeng. The Squeezebox Server web > interface > >works as expected... > I haven't got a Squee

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread verypsb
Exported tags: %artist% - %title% - %album% - %compilation% - %albumartist% - %track% - %year% - %genre% - %comment% - %_filename_ext% The Cure - A Forest (Extended Mix) - 12"/80s [Disc 1] - - 12"/80s - 01 - 2001 - Rock - - 01 - The Cure , A Forest (Extended Mix).flac Aztec C

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread vagskal
Philip Meyer;601784 Wrote: > >> Are you sure? I don't think I'm seeing this. I think I have added > >> COMPILATION=1 to all of my compilation albums, rather than > auto-detect > >> compilations as I sometimes load them into iTunes. Maybe this makes > a > >> difference? > > > >The genre behavio

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread Phil Meyer
>Is SBS using it's compilation indication for something else than >removing artists from the main "Artists" menu and putting their albums >into "Artists/Various Artists" ? > Just to be absolutely clear, it doesn't necessarily always remove the artists from the artists list; a contibuting artist wi

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread Phil Meyer
>> Okay, more flexibility would be lovely. But, Logitech have shown no >> interest in improving the UI to be more flexible, and in effect have a >> higher maintenance cost. You are not interested in paying more money >> for such functionality and think you should just get it for free for >> some

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-11 Thread Phil Meyer
>this whole argument of yours is just so baseless on its face; afterall >you use custom browse exactly b/c you want these abilities but can't >have them in the native app. why in gods name would you fight against >them doing it better? > Because it would never happen. SBS will NEVER have better s

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-12 Thread verypsb
Created a bug report. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16791 -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Duet, 1x Touch verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-12 Thread JJZolx
verypsb;601948 Wrote: > Created a bug report. > > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16791 I haven't really followed the last 50 or so posts in this thread, but in your bug report titled -No tracks listed on compilation albums with an 'Album Artist' tag, but without a 'Compilation' tag

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-13 Thread verypsb
JJZolx;602063 Wrote: > an album with an ALBUMARTIST tag and no COMPILATION tag will not be > considered a compilation by Squeezebox Server. I don't care if Squeezebox Server considers it a compilation album or not, I expect to find this Album in the artist menu under the Album Artist (which it d

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-13 Thread Phil Meyer
>I only add the ALBUMARTIST tag, remove the COMPILATION tag, to force >Squeezebox Server to list this album under the ALBUMARTIST and not >under the Various Artist menu. It would be nice though if it could be >listed under both the Album Artist and the Various Artist menu. I think it does, if you

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-15 Thread verypsb
I can confirm this is NOT a problem with Squeezebox Server 7.5.3 - r31741. -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Duet, 1x Touch Please vote for bug 16791 verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=172

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-16 Thread vagskal
Philip Meyer;602248 Wrote: > >I only add the ALBUMARTIST tag, remove the COMPILATION tag, to force > >Squeezebox Server to list this album under the ALBUMARTIST and not > >under the Various Artist menu. It would be nice though if it could be > >listed under both the Album Artist and the Various A

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-16 Thread Phil Meyer
>yes, genres are tricky, but i disagree that it would be silly to have >an album listed under multiple genres. whats the problem with that? >once you went into the album, you'd only see songs matching the genre. > >what i am trying to say is that i think starting a sort with genre >would be fine.

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-16 Thread Phil Meyer
>i see you and others tell people all the time to delete their AA tags >on comps. that advice is no good if they use WMP or winamp. > No, I don't say to delete AA tags on comps. That's fine (but what I do say is they are not compilations in that case, unless compilation tag is also added). What

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-16 Thread Phil Meyer
>I personally feel that Logitech has taken the "consistency between >interfaces" paradigm a bit to far with the result that all interfaces >towards a Squeezebox is very consistent but also less useful/user >friendly compared what could have been the case. > I personally think that some parts of the