no longer the youngest Brin-Ler. It's
about time! :-)
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> wants
> to take them down, probably it would have to take
> the allies
> down too. Or maybe taking them down would _turn_
> their
> allies into new monsters.
>
> Alberto Monteiro
Plus, the argument that "we're not doing the
out race? I have no doubt that it was. In 1994,
was it about race? I honestly think that it was not.
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Pro Tem of the Senate and one of the most respected
members of the Democratic Party?
And it's not as if the West Virginians have the excuse
that he was running agaist Edwards, either.
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Brawley" Sharpton is kowtowed to by Democrats every
day. And, as I've already mentioned, Robert "White
N-" Byrd is one of the leaders of the Democratic
Party. The modern record of the Democratic Party is
every bit as bad, despite the disgraceful herit
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not exactly an insider,
so I'm sure Lott knew. Quite a few Republicans
(myself included, but least important among them) were
trying to get rid of Lott for years, because they knew
that he was a racist and that he would eventually
screw up and make it unmistakeable in public.
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postdate 1995 or so on that topic, so
that's uninformed speculation and not worth much. If
the southern strategy was a raced-based appeal
_today_, it wouldn't be Southern. It would work every
bit as well in the North and the West. But it
doesn't, because it's not about rac
te for the Crook!
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sufficiently small
state that running into a Senator is a fairly common
occurrence). And many of them said that they would
vote for Bush before they voted for Kerry. It was
quite remarkable - I've really never seen anything
like it. Al Gore generated something of the same
feeling, I think,
have
all say pretty much the same things about him - that
if you're not "useful" to him, you're nothing to him.
It also strikes me that the Washington Press Corps,
which is usually pathetically in the tank for any
plausible moderate Democrat, just can't _stand_ the
guy. It
gt; JDG - Who has never so much as met his Congressional
> Representatie.
It's not, actually. None of the people I had in mind
were in any way involved in politics. Most of them
were doctors, actually. Massachusetts politics is
very retail.
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hat
I'm talking about? Does this sound familiar? Was it
part of a series? Have I, in fact, lost my mind (note
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> But again, doctors aren't exactly representative of
> ordinary
> Massachusettans.They tend to be the very sort of
> highly-paid people who
> would be li
published in 1954, then
republished in two books in the 1990s (I read it in
one of them, obviously).
Thanks for your help, William. A pity if that was all
there was - I was very impressed by it.
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e graduated _income tax_ was
unpatriotic, and he used the word. Howard Dean
accused the President of the United States in a time
of war of high treason.
So which party is questioning people's patriotism again?
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ing - something like that. But I don't hear
anybody in the Democratic Party repudiating him
either. I'm pretty sure that he's also accused the
Administration of being unpatriotic, although I
couldn't swear that he used the word per se.
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he conspiracy? If I go to Iraq, will you be
proclaiming that I'm doing it for Halliburton money?
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career makes him one of the most
influential Senators in history. The last 1-2 years,
though, have been a disgrace, and people should stop
pretending that he is in any way what he used to be.
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you could tell us we
were stooges for the oil lobby. It seems to me that
one of the statements you quoted was right - when
people look at George Bush and Osama Bin Laden and
think that _George Bush_ is their enemy, there's
something wrong with them. Now, I don't think you're
one
ident Bush walked across the
Potomac you'd declare it was proof that he couldn't swim.
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except force is likely to get results from someone
like him.
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> rob
"Talent creates, genius steals" - Picasso
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less so if he doesn't do something to get California
spending under control. A trained poodle could do a
better job than Grey Davis, though. Doesn't seem like
your "varied" Democrats did all that good a job of
picking leaders, does it?
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om he approached first, which all by itself is
pretty indicative.
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tax cuts for the
> millionaires the entire
> deficit goes away. No amount of 'spending' cuts,
> discretionary and/or
> mandatory does that.
Again, learn something about the topic. This is
factually not true.
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Joe Nye. That's a pretty high
league to play in.
> ---David
>
> In my experience, real scholars avoid administrative
> work like
> the plague! (I should know, it's my turn to be
> Chair...)
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of war, as a man should. Working for the
CPA might be a close substitute, but maybe not, too.
But, if you're so free attacking people in the Bush
Administration as idiots, corrupt, and unpatriotic,
and justifying it with their lack of service - what's
yours, Doctor?
===
But fundamentally this isn't about conservatism. It
> is about kleptocracy. They hated him as much as all
> the other war heroes, like Kerry and Clark.
You mean like George H.W. Bush? He would be a war
hero too, after all.
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about his age in order to
join the Navy.
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you're just as harsh now as you were
last night. I'm not offended, because in a list with
Tom and The Fool, I'd have left long ago if I was
likely to be offended by people who think that
everyone who disagrees with them is tricked, dumb, or
evil. But I'm not intimidated by you
in? So
you know all the options that were discussed?
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knowledge of history? You're
not stupid, Dr. Brin. You can accuse me of being
ignorant all you want, but no one will believe you.
I'd be surprised if anyone even believes that you're
serious. I mean, really. I'm not even offended.
Something this ridiculous isn't wor
e to take
into account) that the pressure from this sort of
deployment isn't a little helpful in spurring the pace
of reform. The military bureaucracy is so resistant
to change (for good reasons - that's a positive, not a
normative statement) that something like that might be
the only wa
ns. That conservatism
extends to a reluctance to embrace doctrinal change,
so you usually have to generate external stresses in
order to encourage it.
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in my own field of specialization?
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Noam Chomsky. I am not an historian, but American
political history, at least, I have some background
in. If there is something that makes a plausible
case, I would of course be interested in reading it.
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made, both political and
personal. I certainly hope to continue to count you
as a friend, so I'm reluctant to push this further,
but I feel that I must and ask that you withdraw your
comments about my ignorance and suggest that (unless I
choose to opine about physics or the proper way t
an they are to
political science, which at least tries really hard to
adopt the standards of the hard sciences (sometimes
too hard!). Does your criticism extend to them as
well? In other words, are you saying nothing is
academic except a science? Or is it just political
science that y
ever your particular problems
with the Bush Administration - is Orwellian.
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>
> Damon.
That's interesting, Damon. You are _literally_ the
first person with military experience I've
communciated with who thinks that Clark should be
allowed in the White House on anything other than a
public tour. Did you encounter him while you were in
the service?
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So, if the opposition had fought more effectively,
would there have been more casualties and would the
war have taken longer? Of course there would have
been. Would it have been any less decisive a victory?
I doubt it.
So that's my non-professional and unexpert opini
t say they
didn't like him much. I'm told his superiors loved
him (I didn't meet any of them) but his peers and
subordinates were less impressed.
At any rate, it doesn't matter much. He has about the
same chance of becoming President as Dr. Bri
ed_ someone. The most sympathetic
possible interpretation to him is that he let her
drown and then walked away without a care in the
world. God knows what really happened.
So I'll say it's not relevant to what sort of a person
he is when Mary Jo asks me to, and not before. That
seems
o knowledge, that's not
exactly a problem for you, is it?
There must be a pony in here somewhere...
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d evil
in a form that approaches that of Stalin or Hitler.
Good people can disagree on many issues. A cause that
I've taken up on this list quite often in the last few
days, and even more often in the time that I've been
on it. But there are issues - present day issues - on
which good
ety of reasons, all of them bad. If you can't say
that North Korea's government (or Saddam Hussein) is
evil, and destroying them would be a good thing, black
and white, simple as that, then that's not
sophistication, it's sophistry. We can argue about
means, and whether it
couldn't make
judgments about Saddam's government and didn't have
the right to take action against it. It's not all
black and white - we're not perfect, Saddam's not
perfect, so how do we justify going after him? That's
the sort of argument to which I was referr
- Just reverse a few key terms.
Or like Karl Marx, actually. Enhancing the
contradictions, isn't that what the Marxists called
it? :-) Been a long time since I read any Marxist
philosophy, and I will admit I didn't pay that much
attention when I was supposed to be studyin
Jesus. You can't argue
nearly as plausibly that the USSR was a perversion of
Communism as you could that the Spanish Inquisition
was a perversion of Christianity.
At what point do we get to say that he was full of it
and move on, really?
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historical dialectic is a worthwhile
> tool.
> Dan M.
OK, Dan, your philosophy is better than mine, and I
agree with you about his work on alienation, although
I wasn't terribly impressed by it (I admit that my
response after reading it was something along the
lines of "So what?&qu
my latent
Straussian influence there). Malthus's ideas were one
of the major inspirations for Charles Darwin, I
believe. In both cases I think you'd have a hard case
arguing that they weren't worth studying...
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> good.
No, but they were both better than the people who
replaced them, and the constant apologizing for Lenin
(in his time) and Castro (right _now_) and excusing of
every tyranny and atrocity they perpetrate is the
greatest shame of the Left, and the reason its cla
d with the
> subtly of theory/practix/practice, but said he
> didn't understand it well
> enough to teach it.
>
> Dan M.
Well, I don't even understand it well enough to
comment on it, so I'm going to leave it at that...
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much more interesting conversation about philosophy.
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tart. If John ever did the same
(and I don't think he ever would, because he's a _lot_
more polite than the people on this list who abuse him
constantly and then whine and whimper when he snaps
back) I'd call him on it.
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American conservatives are a lot of things. Many of
them are not particularly admirable. But I've never
met an American conservative who didn't _like_
Americans, and I've never met one who didn't respect
the extraordinary wisdom of the American public. The
question I would p
e fence.
Before the Vietnam War that wasn't true. Today,
Michael Walzer rights essays asking if it is even
_possible_ for there to be a decent Left, and his
answer appears to be yes, but it doesn't exist right
now. If the editor of _Dissent_ is saying that, then
there is a problem, an
iable truths
- that regime change was a goal of the US government
before the Bush Administration (again, something that
we were legally committed to by a vote of Congress and
by many public statements from the Clinton
Administration) and that there was only one way to do
it (invading Iraq) - is why
t that's the
equivalent of what you're doing to people who support
the PATRIOT Act. I'm willing to acknowledge that
reasonable people can differ on such opinions.
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> Mukunda wrote:
> Not always. Some taxes provide services that
> increase freedom. For
> example, taxes that support schools that provide a
> good education
> for anyone, re
ily aware of who edits The Nation? No,
not at all - but the tenor that they create is
perceived by the very perceptive American public.
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> surrogate children-on-the-hoof...
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Single as well. One of my best friends (gay) once
described me as "the straightest human being who has
ever lived." I don't think he meant it as a
compliment, but he's probably right :-)
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e sex
scandals and Republicans have money scandals, and I
don't really care about money, shouldn't I be a
Democrat? His answer was "Republicans have better
booze and better-looking women. That's all you need
to know."
Not sure if he was _right_, but that seems like a
and one of my professors in college
actually used it in a lecture - only to come back to
us next week and tell us that he was incorrect, that
this fact was not true.
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of warning. Mark Prior was the most-abused
pitcher in the Majors last year. He has the best
mechanics of any pitcher of his age ever recorded, so
if anyone can survive that, he can. Nonetheless, that
would be my major concern if I were a Cubs fan.
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y contrast, was
a model of judicial deference to the legislative
branch. The rot began with Burger, but it's Rehnquist
who has done the most damage. We certainly shouldn't
be amending the oldest governing document in history,
the blueprint of the most successful government in the
entire hi
p some more
articles on the topic when I get a chance. But
conservative judicial usurpation is no better - and
sometimes worse - than its liberal counterpart, and I
_must_ to oppose the one if I oppose the other.
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each of the three has _different_ powers, which act as
a check upon each other. It's the difference in the
nature of their powers that is crucial. The problem
with Rehnquist is that he has aggressively usurped
executive and (even more) le
ing to do about it? Better that they have the bare
minimum, with disagreements engaged in the
legislature, where people can decide on things and
accept the legitimacy of the decisions, not have them
made for them by the arbitrary and unrestricted power
of an appointed elite that has little or no
niquely tolerant of homosexuality (as with most other things).
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can't speak for John, but I think it's unfair to state
as a blanket that he supports activism that he agrees
with and opposes activism that he disagrees with
without probing to see if there's a judicial
philosophy underlying those positions that makes them
consistent, i
..state's rights. So while I think it was fair
to look with suspicion at people who made the claim
that they were important in the 1950s, or even the
1970s, I don't think it would be fair to do so today.
Had the claim of state's rights _always_ been about
race, it would b
ong many) of the
Civil War that perhaps the single most important
reason for the South's defeat - the genius of Abraham
Lincoln - could _only_ be utilized in the meritocratic
North, where a dirt-poor farm boy had the chance to
rise to the Presidency, something that would have been
inconceivable i
you understand?
It is _all our soil_.")
All of that just for starters. There's much more.
It's a fascinating topic that I have only begun to
scratch the surface of, and every President and
Defense Secretary (in my opinion) should be required
to study it before taking office in order to
again. Why did they
(finally) find the generals (Grant and Sherman) who
understood the war (not just tactics, but the war
itself) and what it took to win it? Lincoln. And
what are the odds of that?
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been President of the United States, the North would
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s victory in the war made further
democratic reforms in Britain possible, and without
that victory they would not have happened. So not
only did the North's victory assure the survival of
American democracy - it had a pretty important impact
on the development of _British_ democracy as well.
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t book I've read on this topic (in part) is
_America's Constitutional Soul_, a collection of
essays by Harvey Mansfield. Unfortunately it's
written with Mansfield's usual elegant but opaque
style, so I found that I had to read every paragraph
at least three times bef
my opinion) would
have settled for no less than the absolute censorship
of any anti-slavery views expressed anywhere in
America (something that was already the case in the
South) and quite possibly the extension of slavery
over the whole country (see Dred Scott). The North
would never accept eithe
lower middle class at best, and
Reagan's family was _poor_.
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like to study some
day). _But_. One reason the British were under less
economic pressure to intervene than they might have
been was record cotton crops in India and Egypt. Had
the climate been less favorable, the economic pressure
for Britain to intervene would have been much higher.
Luck once
st _urban_ President from a
poor family? I don't know - can't think of who it
might be. Nixon is the first to spring to mind, but
there surely must have been others before that.
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War. Gettysburg was the largest. Shiloh was the
worst at its time - unprecedentedly bad. It is
perhaps a sign of how incredibly bloody the Civil War
became that it would be surpassed over and over and
over again by the time the war was done.
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could say that
the American Civil War was a product of technological
change, actually. Without the cotton gin, slavery
would probably have been economically unsupportable,
and the South might have been willing to agree to
compensated emancipation, or something like that, anyways.
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ere a technological invention
that allowed you to use, say, 50% fewer American
programmers, would you have the government legislate
against it? If so, why did you not support (say) such
legislation against the roboticization of American
factories? If not, how is that different from sending
progra
e an important lesson for liberals
who feel that we should be flexible in interpreting
the Constitution. Not all change is progress. Civil
rights got _worse_ between 1877 and the 1920s or so,
not better.
So it seems a bit unfair that the "Radical
Republicans" are still vilified as r
r the cultural
too much (about which I could be entirely wrong) I
don't know. I know I've read _something_ by Dunning,
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What do you think, robb? I'd be interested in hearing
your take on Foner and the historical dispute.
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the default position in the North, actually. So it
really isn't that surprising that after the war and
abolition the North didn't make the efforts that it
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Or, of course, to shift the tax burden from investment
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Now, now, John, you know that arguing with the
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you'd be honest about it if you admitted that you
already had one - it's called NPR - paid for with my
tax dollars. If you want to waste _your_ money on
such a thing, be my guest.
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Gautam Mukunda
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t if
they weren't going to Indians - that is, if they were
disappearing because of technology, or, on a darker
note, if they were going to Germans, say - there would
be no attention paid to it at all.
One other point. The _US_ is a primary offshoring
location. Every Japanese car factory in
shoring to India different _in its effects_ from
that invention?
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