Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread dcooper
I posted this but it hasn't been published: = It’s hardly fair to post a set of performance benchmarks without full open disclosure, including everything needed to reproduce the test results. Please post all this and I can promise you the CF team will respond (I run it). Thanks!

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
mment on the blog, the tests were indeed run as concurrent, under load tests. My own observations were definitely not done in any kind of scientific manner, I just ran my application on CF8 versus Railo with the same MySQL database and had about a 4-to-5-fold decrease in run times on average. I

RE: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread Dave Watts
> Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a > database should/could be improved: > > http://david.low.me.uk/2007/06/25/another-cfml-speed-contest/ This test appears to be a sequential set of requests. Unless you're only going to have one request at a time in your application, tes

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread AJ Mercer
Yeah, thats what I figured too Brain. You are still sending an SQL statement to the database CF still has to check for a connection to the db server and open one if required CF still has to wait for the data to come back So the factor from CF side of things is how quickly it can get the SQL state

Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread Andrew Grosset
Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a database should/could be improved: http://david.low.me.uk/2007/06/25/another-cfml-speed-contest/ Andrew. ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product d

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-26 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a database should be >improved: I've been doing some testing with the Railo 2 beta as well to see how well CFWebstore ran on it, and was likewise thrilled with how fast it is. Blazing fast! I'm going to continue te

Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-26 Thread Andrew Grosset
Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a database should be improved: http://david.low.me.uk/2007/06/25/another-cfml-speed-contest/ Andrew. ~| ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-26 Thread Brian Kotek
Actually, in my experience using stored procedures provides negligible speed improvements over cfquery. This is due to the fact that modern databases cache execution plans and support prepared statements. There are reasons one might want to use stored procedures, but speed increases over cfquery is

RE: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-26 Thread Robert Harrison
> Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a database should be improved: That cool, but any speed issues with CFQUERY are easily overcome by using stored procedures. Been trying to move the them as much as possible. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive services Austin & Wi

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-09 Thread Gert Franz
nd we don't want this to happen to Railo. In the Java world nobody cares about CF. So why should a really good programmer dig into our code for error checking etc. Gert Mark Drew schrieb: > I disagree with this in this market. > > Railo could go open-source, but it wouldn't make m

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-09 Thread Mark Drew
I disagree with this in this market. Railo could go open-source, but it wouldn't make much difference apart from perception. This community (I am sorry if I offend anybody) doesn't have the number of people that can program in Java yet. I have had a few people offer to help with

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Tero Pikala
At least CFC instances can't be replicated by underlying J2EE platform since they can't implement serializable interface. >there. (If you need session replication at least). Also, from what I've >been told, session replication doesn't work reliably with CF, although I >have not experienced probl

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Thursday 08 Feb 2007, Andy Matthews wrote: > Adobe and Macromedia ALWAYS leapfrogged each other in features until of > course Adobe bought MM. There's no reason why Adobe can't implement > features from other engines. cfthread cfinterface ... -- Tom Chiverton Helping to confidentially embrac

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Gert Franz
I agree, thank you Andy. We first plan to buy Adobe and then Microsoft, if they don't implement some of our features :-) We will adapt everything the market needs in order to make switches from another engine to Railo as easy as possible. Large CMS like Contens, a sophisticated M

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Doug Brown
Smith & Railo) but there is alot of other stuff such as failover, load balancing, clustering & flash integration that are going to be big players in people making a switch, unless you are talking about the mom & pop clients. There is indeed alot of growing room for these two competitors. I r

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Andy Matthews
PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Indeed, and you always will as in all reality it will be Adobe who define the CFML language (albeit not official") and any competing engine will always be behind that set. Of course there are times when new systems provide additional

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread AJ Mercer
For stored procedure Railo has Just like Adobe CFMX from online help

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
>In 1.0 it is possible to call stored procedures in . Railo 1.1 >will support I thought that was the case, but I did a quick test with MySQL 5 and it didn't appear to work. The procedure was just a sample one I found: CREATE PROCEDURE molo() SELECT 'Molo'; And when try

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
rom: Gert Franz To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Feb 07 22:52:30 2007 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Flash Remoting is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF Filter is included. Railo 1.1 Event gateways: we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave a

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Sorry Railo 1.1 will support calls to .cfc's as well... Gert Franz schrieb: > Flash Remoting > is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF > Filter is included. Railo 1.1 > > Event gateways: > we won't implement this feature yet. We need to l

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Flash Remoting is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF Filter is included. Railo 1.1 Event gateways: we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments for others :-) Recordsets from stored procedures: In 1.0 it is possible to call stored procedur

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
ecordsets from stored procedures? Fair enough. Not something I've needed in my personal stuff, but we do use them at work, and it'd probably be a pain trying to solve it without cfstoredproc. >> There are plenty of reasons to use Railo, but before I get >> into that

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
> There are plenty of reasons to use Railo, but before I get > into that, can you give an example of an important CFMX > feature that Railo lacks? Flash Remoting? Event Gateway? Recordsets from stored procedures? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
> You can read the full thing here: http://blog.bpsite.net/index. > php/Why%20Railo.html?itemid=24 Ooops, URL got chopped. Should be everything inside the brackets... [ http://blog.bpsite.net/index.php/Why%20Railo.html?itemid=24 ] ~~

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
>Will you be waiting for version 1.1? > >I believe that will be very close to Adobe CF 7 I'll be going with the latest stable release. Whether that starts of being 1.1 depends on how soon that is released and how long it takes to get myself sorted. If I'm ready before 1.1 then I'll start with 1.

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
Yikes, wasn't expecting this big a response! (If only it was full of people saying "YES!") > Matt Quackenbush wrote: > At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]&!, why would > >anyone< want to go > backwards and use Railo? I mean, it

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
> > select * from myTable where id=#url.id# > > If I'm not mistaken - that would only work in SQL Server, right? > > cuz only SQL server lets you pass through multiple queries > all at once. Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. The ability to batch SQL commands depends on database d

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rick Root
On 2/7/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Escaping quotes does make SQL injection a little harder, but far from > impossible. select * from myTable where id=#url.id# If I'm not mistaken - that would only work in SQL Server, right? cuz only SQL server lets you pass through multi

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
> I was talking about bugs in code too -- SQL injection, XSS, > bad logic, etc. And I'd argue personally and professionally > using dozens of sites I've been hired to work on as a basis, > that since CF *is* so simple, it's more likely that there are > deadly bugs in the code -- even now, years

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
> I don't think anyone is saying that PHP is more or less prone to bugs > because it's open. PHP (the language) has its own bugs/CF has it's own, but > I wasn't talking about the bugs in the language itself. I was talking about > bugs in the code. CF is so simple, that a lot of non-technical peo

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
> -Original Message- > From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:40 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > > Russ wrote: > > I don't think PHP has any sort of session management,

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rick Root
On 2/7/07, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to modify. > It also means that when someone modifies your source code, they have to > give > it back to the community (you) for others to use. Depends on the license. I use th

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
> -Original Message- > From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:28 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > > On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >a

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jordan Michaels
oving > towards .NET. > > I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a > contender in the enterprise world. > > Personally, I don't know PHP or ASP.NET, but I should probably start > learning them. > > Russ > >> -

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more > >complicated and therefore will have more bugs. That's a fairly ridiculous assertion -- first of all that one specific language is more complicated than another and second that complexity = b

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Andy Matthews
Okay...thanks for correcting me Jochem. I didn't realize the difference. -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Andy Matthews said: > Open sour

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
> I also think that while there's a decent amount of KICKING CF projects, > there needs to be WAY more, and they need to be way better publicized. Look > at the stuff that 37 Signals is doing. They're totally piggybacking on the > popularity of Rails and offering up this fantastic software that jus

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Andy Matthews said: > Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to > modify. It also means that when someone modifies your source code, > they have to give it back to the community (you) for others to use. No it doesn't. Even the most viral licenses for software only require

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Andy Matthews
age- From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to ma

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Andy Matthews
But that's the thing Gert... If you DO open source it, nothing would change on your end except that people who WANT to get involved COULD get involved. So even if no one decided to help out, you wouldn't be losing anything. And you never know...people could jump on board and Railo c

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Eric Haskins
n a > contender in the enterprise world. > > Personally, I don't know PHP or ASP.NET, but I should probably start > learning them. > > Russ > > > -Original Message- > > From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Andy Matthews
esday, February 07, 2007 8:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? why? what's the difference between open source and free? Rick Root schrieb: > For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
---Original Message- > From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > > Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php > has the stronghol

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Turetsky, Seth
, 2007 10:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Just in general working and talking with CF people and at conferences. It seems to me that because CF is so easy to learn, a lot of the people using it are coming from non CS backgrounds. Now it might be just people I&#

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
still have a enterprise edition that you charge for albeit at a lower price. Doug B. - Original Message - From: "Gert Franz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? >

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
That's my point... Thanks Doug... Doug Brown schrieb: >> If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some >cases than other >> vendors, they could easily adapt our code >> > > Sure they could adopt your code and make their product faster, but they

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just as popular? A. Better performing code B. Cheaper development C. Cheaper hosting D. Other (Explain) Doug

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
>If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some >cases than other >vendors, they could easily adapt our code Sure they could adopt your code and make their product faster, but they would also still be charging a wholloping price for their product. Doug B. - Origina

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
maybe set up a poll somewhere and test out this hypothesis? Russ > -Original Message- > From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:11 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > > >>Most

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
pen source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other vendors, they could easily adapt our code And just like James posted. If you have a decompiler etc. it is already open source. Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Customer Care Railo Technologies GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join o

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > Doug Brown wrote: > > MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client base > > while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software also > >

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Turetsky, Seth
>>Most CF people don't have a CS background Where did you get this info from? -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? How many people on this list a

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
ginal Message- > From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:51 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > > Doug Brown said: > > A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire communi

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
"CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > Doug Brown said: > > A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community > > helping to develop the project, > > Really? Look at that thread about the

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jim Wright
Doug Brown wrote: > MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client base > while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software also > develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source simply > means that we have to wait for you to imple

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Doug Brown said: > A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community > helping to develop the project, Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people have said they would actually help? Jochem ~~~

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rey Bango
ck Root schrieb: >>> For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be >>> interesting... >>> >>> >>> >> > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Exp

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
lol ;) Doug B. - Original Message - From: "James Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
nd that it takes longer for community acceptance. Doug B. - Original Message - From: "Gert Franz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > why? what's the differe

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread James Holmes
Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud? On 2/7/07, Gert Franz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > why? what's the difference between open source and free? > > > Rick Root schrieb: > > For what it's worth, if Railo went

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jim Wright
Rick Root wrote: > For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be > interesting... > The combination of a open source & shared hosting optimized CF runtime is where I see some possibilities. Perhaps if one of the big hosting companies (HMS or GoDadd

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
why? what's the difference between open source and free? Rick Root schrieb: > For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be > interesting... > > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusi

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
That indeed was and is true. But since changes could be easily be made, I don't agree to change the behaviour of Railo in order to support this syntax and loose performance in exchange. Gert Rick Root schrieb: > On 2/7/07, Gert Franz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >&g

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rick Root
For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be interesting... ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.do

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rick Root
On 2/7/07, Gert Franz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Neil, > > i can easily post why this is: > > Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support > the following. > > 1: > 2: > 3: <--- this throwhs an error (For the record,

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Gert Franz said: > > I read all the posts from you guys saying that there should be no > reason to host Railo since it is only compatible to version MX 6.1. > And you know you are absolutely right, if you do not care for: > - security I don't care about security as long as

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
nions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Gert Franz To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Feb 07 09:18:35 2007 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? I hope somewhe

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
I hope somewhen you will revert the statement "I will never use it" :-) Why don't you "observe" it yoursef? Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb: > Indeed, so if I said ColdFusion was faster than Railo at everything then > there would be just as much basis in tha

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Well Dale, the question was about hosting :-) Railo will make it's way. I'm sure, but it will take time... Gert Dale Fraser schrieb: > Hey gert, > > All those items you list are only relevant to hosting providers, most users > don't do this, a very small percenta

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dale Fraser
is almost unheard of, I have no such issues convincing businesses to spend 10k on Adobe products however. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 7:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Indeed, so if I said ColdFusion was faster than Railo at everything then there would be just as much basis in that - this is my point. I am not putting Railo down in any way, I will never use it, but to say it is faster just on "observation" is just wrong unless backed up by proper

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
e. I would encourage such a test, but I won't do it myself. My quote about performance is just something our customers and as well we seem to see. Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb: > Well, this is by no means an indicator of how well or bad CF/Railo performs > on the whole with compo

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Hi Dale, here my comments to your concerns: 1. security Railo does not claim to be absolutely secure in terms of weaknesses or security holes. Nor do we claim to be more secure than other engines in this terms. But just give me your thoughts about these matters: How do you prevent users from

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Well, this is by no means an indicator of how well or bad CF/Railo performs on the whole with components/structures, there are far too many factors not accounted for and in the authors own words, should be taken with a pinch of salt and are not scientific. For one, it was on a Mac and I doubt

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Just a tiny hint is this... http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2006/11/27/Comparing-Component-speed-on-different-CFML-engines Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Customer Care Railo Technologies GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join our Mailing List / Treten Sie unserer Mailingliste bei

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dale Fraser
e BD's if it was significantly less expensive you might have a case, but it's marginally less expensive with less features. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 6:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Any

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Interesting, surely you should get Adobe to change ColdFusion to be as fast as Railo (though I haven't seen or used Railo so I would have take your work that it is faster!) "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United K

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Gert Franz
Hi Neil, i can easily post why this is: Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support the following. 1: 2: 3: <--- this throwhs an error since a does not contain a key named "sub". It just contains a key named "sub.subkey". And all the te

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
"for CFFM because CFFM "out of the box" doesn't work with Railo." Who's fault is that? Does CFFM work on ColdFusion and BD with no changes? Surely if it is CFML then it should be Adobe based CFML as the benchmark, guide. N "This e-mail is from Reed

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
I dunno, CF4.5 and CF5 were solid. MX was crap in every way, 6.1 and up... Solid again. But yeah, I am not sure how anyone can say that Railo is better than any other CFML engine in every way?! "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Gert Franz
Hi all together, I read all the posts from you guys saying that there should be no reason to host Railo since it is only compatible to version MX 6.1. And you know you are absolutely right, if you do not care for: - security - performance - price Why do people still start new hosting on

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Root
ts who get VPS accounts at VivioTech, but only because BlueDragon 6.2 is almost completely compatible with CFMX 6.1 - and most of the stuff I write for the open source world, I try to make compatible with Bluedragon - and it's not that difficult. As for Railo... I've never worked with

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread AJ Mercer
Will you be waiting for version 1.1? I believe that will be very close to Adobe CF 7 On 2/7/07, Peter Boughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello. > > In a month or two I'll be getting a dedicated server, and I've had a > thought: maybe I should go for the

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Doug Brown
No comment... Doug B. - Original Message - From: "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? > I agree, unless your giving it away, I wouldn't pay for ho

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Dale Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 1:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]&!, why would >anyone< want to go backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF MX. I'm sure I sp

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Matt Quackenbush
At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]&!, why would >anyone< want to go backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF MX. I'm sure I speak for an extremely high percentage of CFers out there when I say, "Thank God we're

Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Peter Boughton
Hello. In a month or two I'll be getting a dedicated server, and I've had a thought: maybe I should go for the next server spec up, get Railo Enterprise, and offer Railo hosting. (for those unaware of what Railo is, it's a really excellent CFML engine, better than all other

Railo blog launched

2006-12-14 Thread Gert Franz
Hi all, if you like to have a look at our recently started blog. Just go to http://www.railo.ch/blog If you have any comments or suggestions, just let us know. -- Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Railo development Railo Technologies GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join our Mailing List

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Gert Franz
Yes absolutely. Check it out for free. You can even use Railo for free for your own private or business websites. http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm?treeID=149 Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Customer Care [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join our Mailing List / Treten Sie unserer Mailingliste bei

RE: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Snake
So I take it RAILO is like Bluedragon, it is another CFML application server that runs on top of a J2EE server like JRUN, and not an addon for Coldfusion ? -Original Message- From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 14:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Getting

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Gert Franz
Hi again, I added a paragraph in the FAQ section concerning Railo webs. I hope it is comprehensive. http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm?treeID=139 I hope it clarifies the confusion about "webs". Gert ~| Introducing

RE: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Rick Faircloth
Ditto... -Original Message- From: Hugo Ahlenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Getting started with Railo | Yes, you ar right. If you have a better name for it, just let me know. | With the term "web" we mean a

RE: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
| Yes, you ar right. If you have a better name for it, just let me know. | With the term "web" we mean a webroot. A folder containing web files. | In fact it is not the same as a virtual host, since many virtual hosts | can point to the same webroot. | But you can separate all the settings for ea

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Gert Franz
s for each single webroot. Just use the local administrator to configure your local settings and the server administrator for the global ones. Cheers Gert > | There are a lot of features Railo has, that none of the other > engines > | support. > | - Like Jochem wrote separating Webs lo

RE: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
| There are a lot of features Railo has, that none of the other engines | support. | - Like Jochem wrote separating Webs logically on a dedicated server is | one of them. | - Deploying Railo Application as easy to customize archives | - permanent use of JSP taglibs | - writing of own tag and

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Gert Franz
Well Adobe is way beyond our scale. You could compare our size to half as big as BD. But we definitely want to grow beyond that. A list of prices of Railo you can find here: http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm?treeID=137 There are a lot of features Railo has, that none of the other engines support

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Can Railo seriously compete in the ColdFusion market? What with BD (I think) > and ColdFusion already hitting version 7 - with 8 not too far off, and Railo > not even 6.1 compatible yet, doesn't it seem a lot of effort for no gain? I pretty much

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
--Original Message- From: Gert Franz To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Sep 04 09:09:56 2006 Subject: Re: Getting started with Railo Well Railo is at the moment nearly MX 6.1 compatible. With the release of 1.1 it will be nearly MX 7.02 compatible. And it will include some of the features thought for CFMX 8 and

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Gert Franz
Well Railo is at the moment nearly MX 6.1 compatible. With the release of 1.1 it will be nearly MX 7.02 compatible. And it will include some of the features thought for CFMX 8 and BD 8. Like Server surveylance. And of course much more. So i think, regarding performance, pricing and flexibility

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-03 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Can Railo seriously compete in the ColdFusion market? What with BD (I think) and ColdFusion already hitting version 7 - with 8 not too far off, and Railo not even 6.1 compatible yet, doesn't it seem a lot of effort for no gain? "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel Hou

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