Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

2013-08-17 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 17 August 2013 16:28, heroxbd wrote: > Arun Raghavan writes: > >> There are images available for this, btw, if you want to see how it >> works and poke around. I'd seen some repositories, but don't know if >> there's enough public to do your own bui

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

2013-08-16 Thread Arun Raghavan
I think it's great that you're kicking this off and that there is so much enthusiasm for this. I look forward to seeing the solutions that emerge to solve all of these, and am happy to offer to test on a device or two. Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Arun Raghavan
nderstanding here. He only said that if you >> want to run Gnome 3.8, then switch to systemd. Because the Gnome team >> will not support any other configuration. >> >> He did not say that everyone should install systemd, nor that you need >> to support su

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: devmanual moved to github

2013-05-12 Thread Arun Raghavan
ause they already have github accounts or ...? > such as code reviews, which the Gentoo's gitolite interface does not have. GNOME and others provide Splinter as a review system on bugzilla. Coupled with git bz, that should make the patch submission + review process comparably simple. Thoughts?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

2013-05-08 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 8 May 2013 21:51, Ben de Groot wrote: [...] > Where upstreams ship systemd units, I don't think there is any issue. > The problem is you are asking Gentoo maintainers to add unit files > that upstream is not shipping. In this case we should test and > maintain these ourselves, which is an addit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global useflags zeroconf and avahi

2013-04-01 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 2 April 2013 08:17, Alex Xu wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Kill zeroconf and use "dnssd", "upnp", "ssdp". Problem solved? I'm not too enthusiastic about that. USE=zeroconf on pulseaudio is a bit easier to understan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due lack of time

2013-02-05 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 5 February 2013 23:58, Pacho Ramos wrote: [...] > media-sound/dbmeasure [...] I'll keep this one. Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 21 December 2012 18:02, Arun Raghavan wrote: > On 21 December 2012 17:36, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: >> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 + >> Markos Chandras wrote: >>> Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you don't like the >>> existing p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
s ignore the tone of an argument, regardless of whether it is justified or not. I find that Markos' objection is not unfounded and your argument is irrelevant here. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reminder: open season on robbat2's packages

2012-11-18 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 19 November 2012 11:00, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:43:44AM +0530, Arun Raghavan wrote: >> On 18 November 2012 16:41, Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> [...] >> > media-sound/dbmeasure >> I'll take this one, since it's tangentially

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reminder: open season on robbat2's packages

2012-11-18 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 18 November 2012 16:41, Robin H. Johnson wrote: [...] > media-sound/dbmeasure I'll take this one, since it's tangentially related to PulseAudio. Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-14 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan wrote: >> On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH wrote: >>> So, anyone been thinking about this?  I have, and it's not pretty. >>> >>> Minor details like, "do we have a &#

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-14 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 15 June 2012 10:26, Greg KH wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:15:28AM +0530, Arun Raghavan wrote: >> On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH wrote: >> > So, anyone been thinking about this?  I have, and it's not pretty. >> > >> > Should I worry about thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-14 Thread Arun Raghavan
ot;do we have a 'company' that can pay Microsoft to > sign our bootloader?" is one aspect from the non-technical side that I've > been wondering about. Sounds like something the Gentoo Foundation could do. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Git migration - clean cut or git-cvsserver

2012-05-23 Thread Arun Raghavan
I, for one, think we should stay with CVS and leave all this git Linusware to the new-fangled Fedora kids with their fancy init systems and tight coupling. CVS was good enough for my grandfather, and it's good enough for you. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Arun Raghavan
itramfs flamewars? > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken You seem to have missed the bit that this has nothing at all to do with systemd. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] epatch_user usage

2012-04-23 Thread Arun Raghavan
rs have patches which touch autoconf files but my > existing patch set doesn't so I'm not calling eautoreconf. Does anyone > have a suggested way to handle this? grub2 checks for a DO_AUTORECONF env. var. to decide whether to run eautoreconf. This does cause some QA warnings, though.

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Arun Raghavan
ndom-seed.c. And the "if I naively modify things, they might explode" argument holds for anything. These are basic things that you almost certainly would not be modifying as a sysadmin anyway. I'd hope that the things that you really do want to muck around with are provided as configur

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-04 Thread Arun Raghavan
Gentoo running with busybox's mdev, instead of udev.  See > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_bc91b392ee0f76376104591cdf7dc5f0.xml > Executive summary... look Ma; no udev! Does mdev support all the rules we have in /lib/udev/rules.d/? The Internet is surprisingly mute on this subject, but a quick

Re: [gentoo-dev] Exorcising a d(a)emon from GNOME's past (aka EsounD Last Rites)

2012-01-03 Thread Arun Raghavan
tional in upstream git as well, so unless someone screams murder, I'm going to make esd support an off-by-default USE flag for media-sound/pulseaudio as well. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Arun Raghavan
aven't been seen any effort to actually solve the problem within the existing framework. For example, if someone cares enough, why not write a wrapper script to track down the programs and libraries at runtime that actually do use /usr so it's easier to say "these packages install r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-im/qutecom: metadata.xml ChangeLog qutecom-2.2_p20110210.ebuild

2011-10-02 Thread Arun Raghavan
t he'll fix the problem. Would masking it till it was fixed not suffice? Seems like a bit unjustified to me (from information on this thread alone). Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Arun Raghavan
em layout is not something anyone in their right > mind should deign to mimic/copy. I didn't get that from either of the links you posted. Seems to me the systemd developers are looking at the split as a host-specific / vs host-independent /usr. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] subprofiles for ARM architecture

2011-08-12 Thread Arun Raghavan
oesn't explicitly specify what sub-arches are supported? Just enable on all till someone says it doesn't work or test on all of them first or ...? Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ohloh statistics updated

2011-07-22 Thread Arun Raghavan
warnings from our project page > (such as "Decreasing year-over-year development activity""). Updates are > faster of course so our stats shouldn't be outdated anymore. > > So go claim your commits, Nice! Thanks for taking this up! -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-sound/pulseaudio: ChangeLog pulseaudio-0.9.23.ebuild

2011-07-09 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 9 July 2011 12:58, Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 07/09/2011 10:54 PM, Arun Raghavan (ford_prefect) wrote: >> ford_prefect    11/07/09 19:54:34 >> -             --with-udev-rules-dir="${EPREFIX}/$(get_libdir)/udev/rules.d" \ >> +             --with-udev-rules-dir

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make libevent a global use flag?

2011-03-16 Thread Arun Raghavan
-dep in most cases, and where there's a compelling reason for the ebuild to provide an alternative (or internal) event system, have this as a default-enabled USE-flag. Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make "sound" a global USE flag?

2011-02-24 Thread Arun Raghavan
onable. Did I miss some conversation somewhere, because it appears that "libcanberra" got finalised [1] on (even though I believe it's a horribly unintuitive name to foist on users). [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354585 Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] [enhancement proposal] Per-file Manifest GPG signatures

2010-10-03 Thread Arun Raghavan
to sign all > of them once again. Moreover, if Dev B doesn't use Manifest signing, > the signature from Dev A is lost. If we make the GPG signatures mandatory at some point of time, that addresses the second of your concerns. I do not understand why the first a problem - could you clarify

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global use flag: vpx or vp8

2010-08-13 Thread Arun Raghavan
oder) has nothing to do with mad or mpg123 (which are used to decode MP3s) -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Adding --as-needed to LDFLAGS in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults

2010-07-05 Thread Arun Raghavan
is threat as far off-topic as I can, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5 :p Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council manifesto of sping

2010-07-02 Thread Arun Raghavan
y, result in more public conflict, very likely without a complete picture of the story on both sides being available. Devrel's purpose is to avoid this, and I believe this does work (we can debate their efficacy or how things can improve, but saying it doesn't work is unfair, IMO). I don't see how your proposal would deal with this fallout. Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] [git migration] The problem of ChangeLog generation

2010-06-25 Thread Arun Raghavan
re humans and thus mistakes are unavoidable. He didn't say don't make mistakes. He said, be careful and if mistakes happen, so be it. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-22 Thread Arun Raghavan
only > difference is requiring a slightly longer use_enable line. Mostly because I don't want to coin a new term if it's not absolutely necessary. That said, you're right - more people seem to be comfortable with "gintrospection" than plain "introspection". If n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-22 Thread Arun Raghavan
can be changed appropriately at that time if it does not use gobject-introspection). -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

[gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-22 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 20 June 2010 20:12, Arun Raghavan wrote: [...] > Any objections? I'll wait till Wed (June 23rd) before adding this if > there aren't any. Is anyone here vehemently against "introspection". -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-22 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 22 June 2010 16:54, Peter Hjalmarsson wrote: > tis 2010-06-22 klockan 15:17 +0530 skrev Arun Raghavan: >> On 21 June 2010 21:23, Arun Raghavan wrote: >> [...] >> > I'm still trying to think of a good name. I understand the concerns >> > about "intro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Council manifesto of sping

2010-06-22 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 22 June 2010 15:32, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Arun Raghavan posted on Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:43:42 +0530 as excerpted: > >> b) For questions like "- Should Python 3.x be stable?", isn't that for >> team leads to decide? And for the cou

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-22 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 21 June 2010 21:23, Arun Raghavan wrote: [...] > I'm still trying to think of a good name. I understand the concerns > about "introspection" being too generic and non GNOME-y, but "gir" is > likely to cause confusion. "gir" is not good because it g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council manifesto of sping

2010-06-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
it is clearly important to you. In general, the way to participate in any open source project (and I believe this holds for a team in Gentoo as well) is not - "You're doing it wrong, let me show you how". It's a combination of, "How can I help?" and "Why don't we t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council manifesto of sping

2010-06-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 22 June 2010 03:06, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Arun, > > > On 06/21/10 21:25, Arun Raghavan wrote: >>> My manifesto up here now: >>> http://dev.gentoo.org/~sping/council-manifesto-2010-sping.txt >> >> For all your points where you do not have a concre

Re: [gentoo-dev] My council manifesto

2010-06-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 22 June 2010 00:57, Mark Loeser wrote: [...] > Hope that helps, Indeed - thanks for the detailed response. Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council manifesto of sping

2010-06-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
lease elaborate? """ (w.r.t. git migration) I hope to see Robin integrate me with the conversion process. """ How have you contributed to the effort thus far? Regards, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] My council manifesto

2010-06-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
ier for people to recognize how they can contribute, and > improving Gentoo as a whole, are all things that the Council should be > taking an active role in, and I want to be a part of making that happen. Do you have any concrete ideas on how you will be doing these things? Cheers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
I figure that now that we've started this way, and there /is/ a benefit to it, we might as well carry it through. I'm still trying to think of a good name. I understand the concerns about "introspection" being too generic and non GNOME-y, but "gir" is lik

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-20 Thread Arun Raghavan
bose to me (yes, I know we have longer USE flags, and I find them too long as well). -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

[gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-20 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 20 June 2010 20:12, Arun Raghavan wrote: [...] > We already have 13 packages using this flag, with several more to > come. The current description being used in packages' metadata.xml > sucks - I'll put something more descriptive in the final flag. Here's the descrip

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-20 Thread Arun Raghavan
2010/6/21 Olivier Crête : > On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 20:12 +0530, Arun Raghavan wrote: >> I'd like to propose a new global USE-flag: introspection. > ... >> Any objections? I'll wait till Wed (June 23rd) before adding this if >> there aren't any. > > Do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-20 Thread Arun Raghavan
If this thread started out at some point as being constructive, it's certainly stopped being so now. Please kill this, take some cool-off time, and come back if there is something *constructive* to be said. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

[gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-20 Thread Arun Raghavan
) before adding this if there aren't any. Cheers! -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] (infra) rsync updates and distfile fetching offline for next 12-18 hours.

2010-05-20 Thread Arun Raghavan
s been affected. >> Osprey has returned to service. >> > > If you are using gentoo-dev please use the combination of > gentoo-dev-announce and gentoo-dev to reach all devs instead of > gentoo-dev and gentoo-core. Why is gentoo-core is not enough? I thought all devs were expected

Re: [gentoo-dev] Requiring two sets of eyes for all eclass commits

2010-04-24 Thread Arun Raghavan
> stuff too. Were there recent breakages to make this necessary? Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-12 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 12 April 2010 18:49, George Prowse wrote: > On 12/04/2010 14:17, Arun Raghavan wrote: >> >> On 12 April 2010 18:43, George Prowse  wrote: >> [...] >>> >>> If you are arguing that the name is ambiguous then I think you are wrong. >>> Gentoo knows

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-12 Thread Arun Raghavan
; litigation when trying to protect it's logo. I think the argument is that the wiki is not always accurate, and if perceived as the official documentation, can put is in bad light. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-07 Thread Arun Raghavan
ng the website redesign or consolidation of documentation as examples, do you want them to: a) Decide that this should be done? b) Call for volunteers? (they obviously cannot force anyone to do it) c) Do it themselves? d) What you probably mean that I fail to see Regards, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 5 April 2010 10:34, Arun Raghavan wrote: > On 5 April 2010 08:13, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler wrote: [...] > You guys should take a while to cool off at this stage. Never mind me. I missed Ben's last email. -- Arun Raghavan http:/

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread Arun Raghavan
ML coding. You guys should take a while to cool off at this stage. Quite frankly, the documentation project is just another open source project - if anyone wants to change how things are done, the only real way to do that is join the team, prove that you are dedicated and committed, and promote change from the inside. Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread Arun Raghavan
-taking, maintaining todo lists, possibly even meeting minutes. But our official documentation should go through sufficient review and formatting to make sure we maintain the quality of documentation that we have had so far. Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] proxy maintainership and gentoo-x86 scm

2010-01-19 Thread Arun Raghavan
Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Farewell, Gentoo.

2010-01-04 Thread Arun Raghavan
2010/1/2 David Shakaryan : [...] > Once again, thank you for everything, but my time has come. Adieu! Nomp! All the best for the future, and hope the irresistible urge to omp just one more ebuild brings you back. :) Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gen

Re: [gentoo-dev] About udev-145: new features / extras and kernel requirements

2009-08-30 Thread Arun Raghavan
pkg_postinst All of the above? Rationale being (1) is required to check against the kernel you're supposedly using, (2) for the kernel you definitely are using, and (3) to make sure people remember. An alternative to (2) and (3), though is to add a check to the udev initscript. C

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-11 Thread Arun Raghavan
2009/8/12 Ben de Groot : > Arun Raghavan wrote: >> This still does not address the original problem - if >> $external_service shuts down, is bought out, has arbitrary terms about >> content that are not immediately clear as being unfavourable to us, >> (at least) that p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-11 Thread Arun Raghavan
2009/8/11 Nirbheek Chauhan : > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Arun Raghavan > wrote: >> The 1-2 times that I asked for access to overlays, time taken was a >> non-issue. If others have had problems, let's fix that instead. > > How much effort do you estimate would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-11 Thread Arun Raghavan
o us, (at least) that part of the project which is hosted on is negatively affected. The 1-2 times that I asked for access to overlays, time taken was a non-issue. If others have had problems, let's fix that instead. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-11 Thread Arun Raghavan
hat we retain control of the infrastructure on which it (the official Gentoo project) is hosted. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-01 Thread Arun Raghavan
Hello, I haven't been able to attend a council meeting for a bit since it occurs at ~2:30 am my time, but for what it's worth: On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 23:15 -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote: [...] > 1) Agenda Topics are posted to the appropriate mailing lists at a > MINIMUM 7 days prior to the meeting. (

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-17 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 07:40 -0400, Thomas Anderson wrote: [...] > The difference is that putting the EAPI in the filename has backwards > compatibility because package managers not knowing about this change > won't even look at the those ebuilds. Putting EAPI as the fifth line > completely loses th

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 20:21 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [...] > Can't do that. The package manager has to barf on unrecognised .ebuild > files. I assume the reasons are the same as below. > > If this is not viable, make an unrecognised version string cause the > > same fallback as an unsupport

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 18:55 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [...] > You have yet to provide an alternative for fixing the arbitrary and > pointless version format restrictions that are currently in place. Create an EAPI for the required changes, fast track inclusion to a stable portage. If this is

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 17:59 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [...] > > Don't care. Let's fix the problems we have *now* using solutions that > > we can agree upon, rather than try to foist solutions that a > > reasonably large population of developers *don't* like (even after > > extended debate) to s

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 17:47 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Ok, what are all the things requiring format-break changes that we'll > want in the next ten years? Please provide a complete list. Don't care. Let's fix the problems we have *now* using solutions that we can agree upon, rather than tr

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 12:39 -0400, Thomas Anderson wrote: [...] > For one, there's the restriction that all *-alpha/*-rc has to be > represented _rc/_alpha. I plan on doing more research into perhaps > lifting this restriction in a future EAPI, but this would of course > require glep 55's solution.

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 16:49 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2009 17:43:32 +0200 > Tobias Klausmann wrote: > > > That doesn't let us do version format changes. > > > > Or are we talking about the *ebuild* versions? I see that as > > different matter. Plus: You could change the versi

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-15 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 00:44 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: [...] > So if you were a lazy Unix coder you'd just restrict the current rules a bit > so that there's only one line starting with EAPI= allowed (or maybe you just > take the first or last one, but that's annoying) and if no such line matche

Re: [gentoo-dev] license issue with fretsonfire

2009-05-03 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 18:17 +0200, Mounir Lamouri wrote: [...] > I think the code can be considered GPL-2 (i will check if there is no > header specifying something else) and for the fonts, I will have to add > 2 licenses not in the tree at the moment. > But what to do with the songs ? I suppose it

Re: [gentoo-dev] New eclass proposal: auto-export

2009-04-22 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 16:35 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: > Here's an eclass proposal to wrap EXPORT_FUNCTIONS with auto detection > of functions. This way all eclasses don't have to duplicate the EAPI > detection code. If people find this useful, I will document it properly > with eclass-manpages etc

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLI Officially Deprecated

2009-01-17 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 17:05 +, Mike Auty wrote: > I realize it might be a bit obvious to us, but from reading it people > might wonder how they're supposed to carry out installs now. When the > notice finally goes out, it might be worth mentioning that just the > LiveCDs are no longer supporte

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-lang/python: ChangeLog python-2.6.ebuild python-2.5.2-r6.ebuild

2008-10-15 Thread Arun Raghavan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Long wrote: [...] >>> for ((i=0;i<10;i++)); do echo /usr/share/doc/${P}/examples > >>> /dev/null; >>> real 11.25 >>> real 9.24 >> So that's what, on the order of 20 microseconds faster for each iteration? >> > Or ~18%. (You shouldn't use the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ability to pass arguments to src_configure/src_compile

2008-09-12 Thread Arun Raghavan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 12:46 Sun 07 Sep , Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: >> I personally agree with several others who have replied to this thread. >> The reduction in lines of code/characters seems to introduce an uglier >> syntax which is hard

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] What features should be included in EAPI 2?

2008-08-19 Thread Arun Raghavan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [...] > The benefit is that it's a logically separate action, and will avoid > all the silliness of people repeatedly changing their minds about > which phase should do the eautoreconf calls and so on. a) Is this really an issue

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: remove app-office/borg from portage.

2008-08-16 Thread Arun Raghavan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Bridge wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:42:35 +0200 > Aniruddha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I've filed the bugreport (version bump) a year ago. It looks like borg >> has no maintainer. > > So maintain it. You don't need to be a dev to write

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] metadata.xml USE flag descriptions

2008-07-28 Thread Arun Raghavan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Doug Goldstein wrote: > Please make sure you commit any changes to use.local.desc to > metadata.xml otherwise you risk the chance of having your changes lost. > I'm currently in the process of converting use.local.desc to > metadata.xml. After a catego

Re: [gentoo-dev] metadata.xml USE flag descriptions

2008-07-28 Thread Arun Raghavan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Doug Goldstein wrote: [...] > Ford_Prefect is taking gnome-base And gnome-extra. Cheers, Arun -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiN/FIACgkQ+Vqt1inD4uyqkACghaEJjvUKUeNS1EFHUpoWih9M fW8AoIsW8a174NLcHsF/TvwkSl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread Arun Raghavan
n to keep the communication channels as open as possible, but a line must be drawn *somewhere*. -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCKi056 e6+9i4b8/9HTAen4+5g4/8APa2Xs8r1/2p5-8 hackerkey.com -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Raghavan
sts is completely beyond me. This seems to be more of the kind of baiting that you use to cause threads to spiral into irrelevant bickering that more than enough people on this list are sick of having their mailboxes flooded with. So I'm out of this thread until there is a reasonable discussion hap

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Raghavan
. I _honestly_ do not understand why there is so much trouble in simple cooperation amongst adults. Regards, -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCKi056 e6+9i4b8/9HTAen4+5g4/8APa2Xs8r1/2p5-8 hackerkey.com -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55

2008-06-11 Thread Arun Raghavan
ure EAPIs > defining new metadata. Fix that, then. And I understand that the code is already there in both portage and pkgcore to store the cache as key-value pairs rather than one-slot-per-key, and would be relatively trivial to add to paludis. Regards, -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55

2008-06-10 Thread Arun Raghavan
o get the metadata in the common case. Does the cache format _really_ need to be extensible the extent that we're jumping hoops to support arbitrary cache formats? -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCKi056 e6+9i4b8/9HTAen4+5g4/8APa2Xs8

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55

2008-06-10 Thread Arun Raghavan
a cache is for? >> > - it heavily restricts future syntax and meaning of EAPIs >> >> Not by much. It's just a header. > > Do we want to keep the spec so wide open that we support any format under the Sun that we fancy? Seems like overgeneralizing to me. Regards, -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55

2008-06-10 Thread Arun Raghavan
; performance for Paludis. Could you please share more details on the experiment that showed this kind of performance degradation and the numbers, if possible? Thanks, -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCKi056 e6+9i4b8/9HTAen4+5g4/8APa2Xs8

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55

2008-06-10 Thread Arun Raghavan
header. > - it makes comments have meaning Just as much as #!/bin/bash and # vim: ... do Regards, -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCKi056 e6+9i4b8/9HTAen4+5g4/8APa2Xs8r1/2p5-8 hackerkey.com -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] die/QA notice for do* failure?

2008-06-08 Thread Arun Raghavan
e matter and take it forward. Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCKi056 e6+9i4b8/9HTAen4+5g4/8APa2Xs8r1/2p5-8 hackerkey.com -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] die/QA notice for do* failure?

2008-06-08 Thread Arun Raghavan
in a relatively short, deterministic period of time rather than otherwise. -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCKi056 e6+9i4b8/9HTAen4+5g4/8APa2Xs8r1/2p5-8 hackerkey.com -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] die/QA notice for do* failure?

2008-06-08 Thread Arun Raghavan
hings depend. This is not functionality. It is the lack thereof. Making this part of an EAPI makes it opt-in, which it shouldn't be. It is important for QA and should be mandatory for all ebuilds. Regards, -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCKi056 e6+9i4b8/9HTAen4+5g4/8APa2Xs8r1/2p5-8 hackerkey.com -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] die/QA notice for do* failure?

2008-06-08 Thread Arun Raghavan
that rely on the current behaviour, we can easily implement this in a phased manner: make it a QA notice to start with and make it default behaviour after 3-6 months or whatever time period is suitable. BTW, do you have any examples of packages relying on non-fatal behaviour for do* stuff? It'd

[gentoo-dev] die/QA notice for do* failure?

2008-06-08 Thread Arun Raghavan
y die only FEATURES="strict"). The bug basically seems only wanting in consensus on this matter, which is why I'm posting this here. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138792 Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCK

Re: [gentoo-dev] threads vs. smp

2008-06-08 Thread Arun Raghavan
he sources shows that "--with-mp" basically lets some processing stuff run in separate threads. This is clearly only useful on SMT/CMP/SMP machines, so I think USE=smp is fine. The user's complaint could be valid, though. Perhaps "smp" should be a global USE flag. Cheers, -- Ar

Re: [gentoo-dev] merging two packages - upgrade path?

2008-06-05 Thread Arun Raghavan
w portage unmerge-on-blocker feature take care of this now? Cheers, -- Arun Raghavan (http://nemesis.accosted.net) v2sw5Chw4+5ln4pr6$OFck2ma4+9u8w3+1!m?l7+9GSCKi056 e6+9i4b8/9HTAen4+5g4/8APa2Xs8r1/2p5-8 hackerkey.com -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Eclass for gnome-python* split

2008-05-24 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Christian Faulhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Arun Raghavan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Feedback and comments (and even brickbats ;)) on the eclass are >> invited. > > * Don't install the COPYING file via the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Eclass for gnome-python* split

2008-05-24 Thread Arun Raghavan
Hello! 2008/5/24 Ali Polatel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Attached is a patch for two minor issues with the eclass. First try to > remove py-compile only if it exists. Second, python_mod_optimize is > ROOT aware (since recently). Thanks for the feedback ... I've checked in your pa

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