On Jul 9, 2005, at 2:00 AM, Arthur Ness wrote:
> The problem is the great range of the baroque lute from
> A below the bass clef with 3 ledger lines, and over to
> (say) C an 8ve above middle C would require four ledger
> lines. Persons with expertise in musical notation advise
> against using too
"Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> But those are arrangements for guitar, aren't they?
in his preface, he said he transcribed the music in a way that
guitarists may use it, also. There are quite a few mistakes both in his
rendering of the tablature and in his guitar staff notation (in fa
At 04:09 PM 7/8/2005, Howard Posner wrote:
> > For Mr. O'Dettes old Hyperion recording of the Vivaldi works, he played all
> > with the mandolino but RV 540. The works that specified "leuto," he played
> > with the fingers, and those that specified mandolino he played with a
> > plectrum. I asked
Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
> For Mr. O'Dettes old Hyperion recording of the Vivaldi works, he played all
> with the mandolino but RV 540. The works that specified "leuto," he played
> with the fingers, and those that specified mandolino he played with a
> plectrum. I asked him about this when he
At 12:01 PM 7/8/2005, Arthur Ness wrote:
>What has confused many is
>that in treble clef, the lute sounds an octave lower. I
>think these days this is accepted, whereas earlier
>O'Dette and others proposed a small lute to play an
>octave higher than the usual instrument. I think Paul
>now agrees
d you look
again, Mathias?
Arthur.
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"Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>
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At 06:37 PM 7/5/2005, Thomas Schall wrote:
>the c-minor prelude is in staff notation NOT in
>tablature!
>Vivaldi's lute conceros are written in staff notation,
>too. It was common to
>write the lute part
On Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:44 PM "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> 6-course guitars were rather unique to Spain. Elsewhere the progression
> seems to have been to leave 5-course guitars single strung just before it
> became commonplace to build guitars to carry six single string
> Ahoi Roman,
>
> did anybody discuss the recording itself here??
>
> Did you listen to the samples?
> I didn't like them very much.. Did he really prepare for years to play
> like this?!
>
Apparently not. No self-preservation instinct, obviously.
RT
> :-)
> best wishes
> Bernd
>
>
To get on
I'll do that
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Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 19:39 schrieb Markus Lutz:
> For sure there is "lute music". But it isn´t or never has been a
> repertoire only to be played on the lute.
> Losy has been played on the lute. Weiss on the mandora and on key
> instruments, French lute music on the harpsichord etc.
> The so c
: Lutelist
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Carl Phillip Emmanuel Bach did similar things some 30-40 years earlier.
He would begin an F-major sonata with a phrase in c-minor, or avoid
establishing a key at all for the first 14 bars.
RT
>
> One
"Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> stave. Do you? And it's virtually impossible to notate baroque lute music on
> a single stave.
Emil Vogl did it in his edition of Bohemian lute music (Logy et al)
Viele Grüße
Mathias
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At 01:05 PM 7/6/2005, Thomas Schall wrote:
>for an overview of the early romantic guitar visit
>http://www.earlyromanticguitar.com/
I like Len and his site, but in reading there be certain to recognize where
his opinion is opinion and not necessarily fact: for example, I think his
effort to for
Thomas Schall schrieb:
> And yes - Markus - I think there is lute music. It has a very special
>
>repertoire. Of course there are examples like the
>Vivaldi/Krebs/Marino/Rust/Falckenhagen etc.etc. concertoes be they notated
>like they want to be.This is a genre of it's own (divided in sub-catego
At 12:23 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote:
>In fact older than 6 course/string guitars: we musn't forget that the
>later 5 course guitar in France in the 2nd half of the 18thC used the
>octave transposing treble clef (ie as modern guitar music).
Good point, Martyn. Thus my use of the adverb "roughly."
At 11:51 AM 7/6/2005, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
>Staff notation being new...
This, of course, should have read "...new to guitar..." Sorry for my
ambiguity.
Eugene
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Thomas Schall
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 18:44 schrieben Sie:
> At 06:01 AM 7/6/2005, Arthur Ness wrote:
> >Those early 6 course guitars were also double (and sometimes triple-)
> >strung. I don't know when the
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 13:53 schrieben Sie:
> Arthur wrote:
> Most transcriptions are usually consulted not by
> keyboard players (who already have sufficient repertory
> for their instruments), but by lutenists.
>
> Both Paul O'Dette and Christopher Wilson have told me
> that when they are w
At 06:01 AM 7/6/2005, Arthur Ness wrote:
>Those early 6 course guitars were also double (and sometimes triple-)
>strung. I don't know when the single strung guitar became common. But
>that shouldn't be too difficult to determine. There's a fine new book out
>on the early history of the C.F.Mart
Yes - the visual support is better in pitch/standard notation but in many
cases I can "sing" (if I only could :-)) the melody from tab.
But - it's easier from standard notation ...
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 12:18 schrieben Sie:
> You cannot see the direction of a voice
In fact older than 6 course/string guitars: we musn't forget that the later 5
course guitar in France in the 2nd half of the 18thC used the octave
transposing treble clef (ie as modern guitar music). For example, I have
before me the following 5 course books which were all published in Paris
At 06:37 PM 7/5/2005, Thomas Schall wrote:
>the c-minor prelude is in staff notation NOT in tablature!
>Vivaldi's lute conceros are written in staff notation, too. It was common to
>write the lute part in staff notation for that kind of music. You'll find it
>also in Fasch and others. I don't know
At 06:31 PM 7/5/2005, Michael Thames wrote:
> Dear Arthur, the six string guitar, which has been the entire
>focus of this discussion was invented in the decade of 1780, it adopted
>already existing musical notation, nothing new was invented, with the
>exception of the guitar itself.
>
"Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> stave. Do you? And it's virtually impossible to notate baroque lute music on
> a single stave.
Emil Vogl did it in his edition of Bohemian lute music (Logy et al)
Viele Grüße
Mathias
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Earth to Stuart.earth to Stuart... are you there Stuart...hello!
hello! I think we lost him sir
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>One of the definitions of modernism is the rejection of >tradition. In
music,
>Beethoven is considered to be one of the touchstones of >modernism.
Another definition of m
"Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>> You cannot see the direction of a voice's movements in >tablature,
>> whereas in staff notation you can. Tablature proves >nothing as for
>> harmony and counterpoint. Agreed?
> ... but there is not so much difference in tracking
> a voice through ta
/early 19th century.
AJN.
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> For centuries lute music ha
score.
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"Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>> You
: "Mathias Rösel"
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"Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> I've heard this point of view before.
> However counter
"Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>> You cannot see the direction of a voice's movements in >tablature,
>> whereas in staff notation you can. Tablature proves >nothing as for
>> harmony and counterpoint. Agreed?
> ... but there is not so much difference in tracking
> a voice through ta
You cannot see the direction of a voice's movements in >tablature,
whereas in staff notation you can. Tablature proves >nothing as for
harmony and counterpoint. Agreed?
Yours truly has equal ear for tabulature (baroque) and notation. I also
know people who can sing from tab. And
27;d also call
Bach's lute music "non-music music."
Thanks for joining the discussion.
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rogression defining the key of C major
> apparently
> took strong exception to this.
>
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>"Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>>> You cannot see the direction of a voice's movements in >tablature,
>>> whereas in staff notation you can. Tablature proves >nothing as for
> >> harmony and counterpoint. Agreed?
In principle, I don't see much difference between notation or tab
Bach's suites?
>
>Michael Thames
>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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It is in pitchnotationonthegrand staff. No original tablature survives.
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istic, future music that has yet to be actualized.
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> Arthur and any others who are tinterested:
>
> Arthur mentions Byrd's lute music bel
Arthur and any others who are tinterested:
Arthur mentions Byrd's lute music below. I always assumed the pieces I
have seen in lute tab were 16th Century intabulations taken from some of
Byrd's other music. Has someone done an article on Byrd's lute music that
I can read? I'd love to get a l
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> Right, and when the same historians talk about
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> Dear Arthur,
> I feel compell
ion a little modern
guitar music by Sor.
>Craig
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Dear Craig,
Musical notation has been around for a thousand years, so when special notation
for guitar was invented 200 years ago that
Sor advocated grand staff for guitar music.
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>BTW: It's
Right, and when the same historians talk about things "classical" they are
talking about things roughly 2500 years old.
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Actually, Jaques Gallot did so. I recall in an a minor prelude, he had
small notes for the octaves, large ones for the fundamentals. It was an
effect that he desired.
ed
At 06:55 PM 7/5/2005 -0400, Arthur Ness wrote:
>I'venever seen any pieces wuiththe octave courses in small
>notes. Some
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we could go on forever.
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>On Jul 5, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Greg M. Silverman wrote:
>
gutar music was another person, David K.
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I've seen the manuscripts. If memory s
gutar music was another person, David K.
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I've seen the manuscripts. If memory s
gutar music was another person, David K.
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I've seen the manuscripts. If memory s
;
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> > I've seen the manuscripts. If memory serves correctly i
Doug Smithis
surely responsible for its revival.
Ciao
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> Dear Craig,
>
> Musical no
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Thomas Schall wrote:
>that's my point! There notated as a bass (for instance a C ///a assuming
>renaissance g-tuning) but there is also a c sounding an octave higher which
>could be used to lead to a tone an octave higher and so on. Take a look at
>italian early baroque music. This effect is us
Roman Turovsky wrote:
>On Jul 5, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Greg M. Silverman wrote:
>
>
>
>>Thomas Schall wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Actually I think staff notation (pitch related notation) is not able
>>>to depict
>>>lute music. Just as one example I would like to point you to double
>>>functions
>>>of b
that's my point! There notated as a bass (for instance a C ///a assuming
renaissance g-tuning) but there is also a c sounding an octave higher which
could be used to lead to a tone an octave higher and so on. Take a look at
italian early baroque music. This effect is used very often.
Best wishe
On Jul 5, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Greg M. Silverman wrote:
> Thomas Schall wrote:
>
>> Actually I think staff notation (pitch related notation) is not able
>> to depict
>> lute music. Just as one example I would like to point you to double
>> functions
>> of bass notes in lute music. The octave strin
oing into the
>>bass clef, so point is that there really is no point, Ja? ;-)
>>
>>Greg--
>>
>>
>>
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>
right hand going into the
> bass clef, so point is that there really is no point, Ja? ;-)
>
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>
> Michael wrote:
> > Thomas, I usually see your logic, and agree with almost all of your
> >comments. However to call a system of guitar notation
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>
>
> Eugene C.
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> Yes, an the term tablature for what is essentially the basic grand staff of
> keyboard
> musicwas so called in theRenaissancesince 4 "instrumental voice parts" were
> tabulated onto
> two staves. Thatis the origin of lute tabature, but they used numbers
> i
ury. A trombonist in
the Boston SO has made it a specialty.
ajn
ajn
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Michael wrote:
>
>
manuscripts in Darmstadt, Stockholm,St.
> > > Petersburg, Wroclaw, containing lute music in pitch notation. And many
> > > others are doubtlessly waiting to be disclosed when James Tyler
> > > finishes his work.
> > >
> > > Do you
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> At a lute festival I met a member o
At a lute festival I met a member of an ensemble which played medieval music
and she said (before a baroque recital): "come on let's go to the cinema - I
can't stand that modern stuff" :-)
I do understand Michael's point regarding the modernity of guitar notation but
given a time line of - say 9
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> Mathias, you can and may speak for 99.9% of "us"
"Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm not familiar with Vetter's book. But couldn't you extract the lines as
> SATB, put words
> to themand sing them in your chorius? That's what I mean by "parts." Lote
> of instrumental
> music is like vocal music, but without words.
yes, that's the ca
rk a separation point between
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&g
a separation
point between thehands.
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> (sent)
>
> > Perrine? Does anyone have any sample (example) files in Fronimo?
>
>
>
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Michael wrote:
>
> Thomas, I usually see your logic, and agree with almost all of your
>comments. However to call a system of guitar nota
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> Michael wrote:
> >
&
Michael wrote:
>
> Thomas, I usually see your logic, and agree with almost all of your
>comments. However to call a system of guitar notation that has been around,
>for 200 years, and used by the foremost guitar composers of the past and
>present, a " relatively modern invention" your sense of
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> Hi
>
>
ern
> > > editions of lute music on a single >stave. Do you? And it's virtually
> > > impossible to notate >baroque lute music on a single stave
> >
> >I know of zero, lute music written on any staff.
> > The point is, who are you making these e
Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
>At 08:57 AM 7/2/2005, Arthur Ness wrote:
>
>
>>...There is a transcrption of the 1680 edition. But it is for keyboard
>>(ed.Erdas for Ut Orpheus),and ALL THE SPECIAL FINGERINGS FOR LUTE ARE LEFT
>>OUT This is a resujlt of that disease guitar players seem to have
At 08:57 AM 7/2/2005, Arthur Ness wrote:
>...There is a transcrption of the 1680 edition. But it is for keyboard
>(ed.Erdas for Ut Orpheus),and ALL THE SPECIAL FINGERINGS FOR LUTE ARE LEFT
>OUT This is a resujlt of that disease guitar players seem to have,
>when they claim that when lute mus
"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> As to continuo: it is big mistake to consider it lute music at all,
> because regardless how many lutes it may employ lutes are a priori
> dispensable in it.
point taken, yes. You may say I play alien music on the lute :)
All the best
Mathias
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Dear Arthur,
thanks a lot for those kind and clever suggestions regarding different
modes of edition. I shall forward them!
Modern transcriptions of intabulated vocal part music can be considered
restorations of the original notation. To that I must agree. But with
instrumental music, things are
Hi
BTW: It's absolut correct to tell the way guitar music is notated today a
relatively modern invention. From the early renaissance until the late
baroque/early romantic period it was common to notate the music for the
guitar in tablature. I wonder if the change in guitar technique causes this
practible, in today's world.
> Might I suggest, you come down off your high horse, and instead of
> suggesting guitarists conform to your way of thinking, you might conform to
> thier's. Michael Thames
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> F
world.
Might I suggest, you come down off your high horse, and instead of
suggesting guitarists conform to your way of thinking, you might conform to
thier's.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Ness
To: Michael Thames
Cc: lute
Mathias, you can and may speak for 99.9% of "us", because David's
prowess is in no way indicative of habits or abilities of the general
lute population.
I am with you on the first issue, because our first responsibility is
music itself, and playing from written out music rather than from
tabula
In fact it is excellent. See Carl Loewe's "Die Schlanke Wasserlilie" at
http://polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html .
It was done up in Fronimo, and the notation part was not simple.
RT
> Francesco is about to release the new version of Fronimo, which should
> be even better than the current one.
r.
> - Original Message -
> From: Francesco Tribioli
> To: 'Arthur Ness' ; '"Mathias R=F6sel"'
> Cc: 'lute list'
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:13 PM
> Subject: R: French Lutenist about to release a worldwide first-
th
other matters. And the subject doesn't interest me, anyway.
Something strange happened at the end of your message. But I can read the one
that came via the lute list.
Greetings from Boston, Arthur.
- Original Message -
From: "Mathias R=C3=B6sel"
To: Arthur Nes
Dear David,
yes, you're right, I shall speak for myself. And sorry, I should have
been more precise. What I was referring to in particular is playing solo
pieces. I for one will always prefer tablature when it comes to playing
solo pieces, on renaissance or baroque lute, no matter how exact or
app
Happy independence day everyone,
It just so happens that last week I created grand staff transcription of
16 Rosseter pieces for Matt Wadsworth forthcoming CD recording - he
needed it for the producer to be able to follow the music during the
recording sessions. I used my software and did a quic
Dear Arthur,
sorry for my delay. Francesco has already answered your main question.
IMO his Fronimo programme is just great. You can open a tablature and
convert it with only one click to any other tablature type you wish
French, Italian, "Spanish", "Neapolitan", and German are available, the
latt
> Thanks for the information. I was too busy to explore your
> site thoroughly. Do you mean I can download the tablatures
> in German tablature, should I wish to do so? (I don't. But
> I'd like Italian lute music in Italian tablature. Not French.)
Yes, it is possible to convert on the fly t
c: "lute list"
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: French Lutenist about to release a worldwide first- the Book of
Perrine
> > For centuries lute music has been notated on two staves
>
> Yes, and I chart daytime stars, in my spare time.
> Michael Tha
- Original Message -
From: Francesco Tribioli
To: 'Arthur Ness' ; '"Mathias R=F6sel"'
Cc: 'lute list'
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:13 PM
Subject: R: French Lutenist about to release a worldwide first- the Book of
Perrine
Dear Ar
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