Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread ernest breakfield
heater cores seem to collect crud, regardless of where it originates from. until you have an effective flush of that area (read; under pressure), it's hard to eliminate that as an area of concern... and if you didn't do your fill with the heater set full-on high so that the water was circulatin

Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination

2012-06-02 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Ask a civil engineer to design a rocket engine. He's an engineer after all! :P Walt On Jun 3, 2012 1:46 AM, wrote: > > ...I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list > > haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a > highly > > computerized car. > >

Re: [MBZ] No cross pollination

2012-06-02 Thread RELNGSON
> ...I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list > haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly > computerized car. > Apples and kumquats. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.ok

Re: [MBZ] gas prices

2012-06-02 Thread RELNGSON
> Part of the reason is that Washington State has a high fuel tax. The > price drops as soon as you cross into Idaho or Oregon > So true. Which is the reason that comparing prices between states and trying to blame big oil for all of the difference is shortsighted but easy. RLE

Re: [MBZ] Runaway

2012-06-02 Thread RELNGSON
> ...Key off anyone???  Run away car try turning the key off... or put > transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so > what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at > "Mach-a-lot"... > I suggest you reread the report in re: the runaway new Lexus acci

[MBZ] EARLY CRASHES

2012-06-02 Thread RELNGSON
http://www.businessinsider.com/stunning-vintage-pictures-of-car-wrecks-from-1930s-2012-6?op=1 RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delive

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-02 Thread OK Don
"We" don't produce the oil. The multi-national corporations do. They owe no alligence to any countyr - just their shareholders. Just because the oil was pumped from US soil does not mean that it will be sold here. Oil from all overt the world is refined here, and as good portion of it is sold to ot

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Hendrik & Fay
This would be an ideal thing for the black box to explain, if fitted. Hendrik who has black boxes in his cars but they are generally relays and such On 01/06/12 10:13, Allan Streib wrote: Page didn't load for me, but I bet the driver had his foot on the throttle. 99% chance. "Gerry Archer" w

Re: [MBZ] Erm... 200T?

2012-06-02 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Seller sounds like a tight wad wally, spends time and money replacing the clutch and doesn't do the bearing at the same time. It is also a good idea to overhaul the clutch slave cylinder while the box is out. The 200T is a waste of time, as the 230TE uses the same amount of fuel and has more pow

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread Brian Toscano
Thank for the suggestions. Where I live, I don't have the option for a garden hose to run for 20-30 minutes. What I have done instead is to pour gallon jugs of water through the heater core radiator, and engine. I am not sure if the garden hose has enough pressure to make the process go faster t

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread Scott Ritchey
My rescue 300TD had lots of rust and crap too. I flushed the heater, radiator, and engine individually with a garden hose until only clear water came out. I had an old trigger-style hose nozzle that fit inside the small hoses nicely with the aid of a hose clamp. Fresh coolant (less than 3 years

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Fmiser
> > "Gerry Archer" writes: > > > > I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the > > list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably > > diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. > Allan Streib wrote: > > Speaking for myself, as a computer professional, I prefer my > cars

Re: [MBZ] Erm... 200T?

2012-06-02 Thread Craig
On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:30:05 -0400 Tim C wrote: > http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/3025335284.html > > I have to admit it looks pretty from the pictures. I've never worked > on a manual before, is there a way to verify his claim about the throw > out bearing? With the engine running, press on

Re: [MBZ] OCR recommendation

2012-06-02 Thread Tim C
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: > Can someone suggest a simple and reliable OCR program that will work on > Windows XP > using a Canon mp250 printer?  Have a stack of printouts by Marshall I'd like > to put on disc. Google is your friend: http://www.groovypost.com/howto/google

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread John Reames
Did the impeller rot off the old water pump? -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 2, 2012, at 14:45, Brian Toscano wrote: > I considered that, but here's the kicker... Only the lower hose has the > spring and if I try to clean it, it returns to bl

[MBZ] Erm... 200T?

2012-06-02 Thread Tim C
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/3025335284.html Badge sure looks like it says "200T". Carb'd in '85, or were they just lazy? Is this thing a total dog? Area is hills, nothing horribly steep or long. I was happy with the auto 240D's acceleration if that is comparable. :) I have to admit it l

Re: [MBZ] gassy

2012-06-02 Thread Dieselhead
Holy crap, is that tax or delivery cost or what? Diesel is under $4 here now, premium would be $0.10 or so less than that... Taxachusetts huh? -Curt It is in Taxaton state. Also known as the peepels republik of north Kollyfunya. ___ http://www.okiebenz.

Re: [MBZ] gassy

2012-06-02 Thread Dieselhead
Part of the reason is that Washington State has a high fuel tax. The price drops as soon as you cross into Idaho or Oregon. That is what I was getting at. The HIGH FUEL TAX is the result of all the kollyfonyuns who moved to North Kollyfonya (formerly known as Washington) then demanded it be

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Dieselhead
Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a request to the computer. Same for the shift lever. I think a big red "Emergency shutoff" pushbutton switch should be mounted in the center of the steering wheel of those POS "fly by wire" vehicles. Another reason I don't want

Re: [MBZ] gassy

2012-06-02 Thread Craig
On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:27:06 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Gasoline is $3.249/gal. last I checked. It is under $3.50 in most of > the civilized parts of the country, and based on crude prices should > be under 3 bucks. It went down to 3.589/gal here this past week. Craig __

Re: [MBZ] gassy

2012-06-02 Thread Allan Streib
Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes: > Gasoline is $3.249/gal. last I checked. It is under $3.50 in most of > the civilized parts of the country, and based on crude prices should > be under 3 bucks. > > Too bad you live in Kollyfonya north in place of the civilized world. 3.65 here. But our

Re: [MBZ] gassy

2012-06-02 Thread Dieselhead
Gasoline is $3.249/gal. last I checked. It is under $3.50 in most of the civilized parts of the country, and based on crude prices should be under 3 bucks. Too bad you live in Kollyfonya north in place of the civilized world. > ...Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work) beja4a3y

2012-06-02 Thread Dan Penoff
Most likely your heater core is copper, or possibly aluminum. I had a similar situation on a W126 (300SD) I once owned. When I bought it the owner had just put a radiator on it within the = year. When I inspected the coolant it was brown and rusty colored. = Figuring that it just needed a good

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread Gerry Archer
My Dodge heater core wouldn't put out any heat at all. I backflushed it with a garden hose for ten or fifteen minutes and the heater then worked well until it went to the crusher. Gerry From: "Brian Toscano" Ernest, I have thought the same thing. After I replaced the thermostat/flushed the

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's willto 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Gerry Archer
I remember when many mechanics felt the same way about hydraulic brakes. Gerrywho had a '35 Chevy with mechanical brakes Agreed. Dan also computer professional On Jun 2, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote: "Gerry Archer" writes: I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals

[MBZ] OCR recommendation

2012-06-02 Thread Gerry Archer
Can someone suggest a simple and reliable OCR program that will work on Windows XP using a Canon mp250 printer? Have a stack of printouts by Marshall I'd like to put on disc. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okieb

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-02 Thread Allan Streib
OK Don writes: > Not without nationalizing the petroleum industrry. Want to move to Venzuela? > The oil industry does not know national borders - Oops hit the send key before I was done Yet if we produced as much or more than we consume, we could not be held hostage by oil exporting countri

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-02 Thread Allan Streib
OK Don writes: > Not without nationalizing the petroleum industrry. Want to move to Venzuela? > The oil industry does not know national borders - Yet if we produced as much or more than we consume, we ould not be held hostage to oil > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Larry T wrote: > >> "wi

Re: [MBZ] gassy

2012-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond
Holy crap, is that tax or delivery cost or what? Diesel is under $4 here now, premium would be $0.10 or so less than that... Taxachusetts huh? -Curt Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] gassy Message-ID: <30d9.611ce39e.3c

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread Brian Toscano
Ernest, I have thought the same thing. After I replaced the thermostat/flushed the system I poured water in the upper radiator hose (connected to the radiator) until water came out the thermostat housing. What I'm not clear on is how does a heater core get rusty? Are they made of steel or iron

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-02 Thread OK Don
Not without nationalizing the petroleum industrry. Want to move to Venzuela? The oil industry does not know national borders - On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Larry T wrote: > "with an halfway decent energy plan this country could be energy > independent in a few years.".. > > LarryT > 91 300D

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread G Mann
Relax. the circuit board you trust with your life at 85 MPH was built by $4 a week skilled labor in China, with quality controls what could possibly go wrong You know.. by the same company that was the lowest bidder for the contract that builds all the electric oil pumps... besides..

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread ernest breakfield
since your observation is that most of the crap is in the heater hoses, odds are that your cooling system isn't getting fully filled, and the air in the system is rising to the highest point (the heater core) and causing corrosion there. replacing the heater core in an XJ isn't fun. i'

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Dan Penoff
Agreed. Dan also computer professional On Jun 2, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > "Gerry Archer" writes: > >> I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list >> haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a >> highly computerized car. > > Speak

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Allan Streib
"Gerry Archer" writes: > I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list > haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a > highly computerized car. Speaking for myself, as a computer professional, I prefer my cars to be manually operated. Allan -- 1983

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Gerry Archer
Was looking at the new lineup of Priuses. Sales lady was trying to sell me a 2009 with seven years gaurantee on the battery and 100K on the car. I suggested that her price was high considering that the 2009 was in the group that had runaway problems. She said that all one must do is take it o

Re: [MBZ] gassy

2012-06-02 Thread Brian Toscano
Part of the reason is that Washington State has a high fuel tax. The price drops as soon as you cross into Idaho or Oregon. On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:09 PM, G Mann wrote: > Interesting thing about Seattle, there is a very large refinery not far > from you, yet fuel prices in Washington state ar

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Mitch Haley
G Mann wrote: Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at "Mach-a-lot"... Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread G Mann
Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at "Mach-a-lot"... Or does anyone actually drive a car these days? On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:45

Re: [MBZ] gassy

2012-06-02 Thread G Mann
Interesting thing about Seattle, there is a very large refinery not far from you, yet fuel prices in Washington state are always some of the highest in the nation. Why is that? www.gaspricewatch.com ... type in your location or zip code and pull up local current prices and time since last reporte

Re: [MBZ] gassy

2012-06-02 Thread RELNGSON
> ...Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $3.50... > Maybe in your part of the country. Premium just sank down to $4.49.9 here and most attended stations are as much as two bits more. Diesel too. RLE/Seattle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com Fo

Re: [MBZ] chains excite me

2012-06-02 Thread Brian Toscano
Optimistic in what way? With regular oil changes, chains can last a very long time and hundreds of thousands of miles is not uncommon. My Cummins engines were gear driven and those normally don't need to be replaced either. If the previous owners abused the engines then all bets are off. On S

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices

2012-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond
That'd be about the time many of today's tax incentives for the oil industry were put into place, back when oil was around the $10 mark. So gas has gone up 4x but oil has gone up 9 or 10x. -Curt Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:21:06 -0400 From: Allan Streib To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Larry T wrote: After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. Any decent car should be able to keep all four wheels near the point of lockup from top speed to zero without the engine working against them. Are some engines more powerful than t

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices

2012-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond
Interesting the spread, I've never seen diesel over $4.99. -Curt Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:51:26 -0500 From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices [was: Re: tire opinion] 0yhe3y7a Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread Brian Toscano
That is what I am thinking. Some of the black grit I've found in the coolant may be the old head gasket from when I paid a mechanic to R/R the head. The Jeep had a weird severe misfiring problem that turned out to be low compression from faulty exhaust valves. I believe it was isolated to 2000-2

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: Petroleum prices 0yhe3y7a

2012-06-02 Thread Brian Toscano
The Costco Amex cards gets you 3% on gas purchases up to $3000 year then it drops to 1% (but not at Costco IIRC), 3% on restaurants including fast food, 2% on travel, and 1% on everything else. The membership is $55/year and $110/year for executive level which gets you 2% on Costco purchases redee

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread Rich Thomas
Air causes the rusting, so maybe if the whole thing is not absolutely full of coolant then whatever is left exposed will rust. That would most likely be at the top. --R On 6/2/12 2:45 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: I considered that, but here's the kicker... Only the lower hose has the spring and

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread Brian Toscano
I considered that, but here's the kicker... Only the lower hose has the spring and if I try to clean it, it returns to black which seems to be the way it came from the factory. I don't think the spring itself is rusting - it seems to be a surface that rust collects, but that's it. I didn't try to

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread Rich Thomas
Maybe those springs? --R On 6/2/12 1:51 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Last night I drained the coolant from the drain plug on the radiator. What came out first was bright green. After a little bit, it turns rusty brown, and then turned to dirty coolant. This was just draining. Likewise, what is

[MBZ] Fwd: Re: Petroleum prices 0yhe3y7a

2012-06-02 Thread Rich Thomas
Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:39:13 -0400 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List If y'all have a Costco nearby I find the prices at ours to be anywhere from 2-3cents a gallon cheaper than the cheapest

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices

2012-06-02 Thread Brian Toscano
Yeah, the 99 cent days were nice. I remember thinking there would be a war if the price of diesel went higher than $1.25. Truckers did march in Washington when the prices really got high after Katrina... On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > When prices are fluctuating, I tr

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

2012-06-02 Thread Brian Toscano
Last night I drained the coolant from the drain plug on the radiator. What came out first was bright green. After a little bit, it turns rusty brown, and then turned to dirty coolant. This was just draining. Likewise, what is in the expansion tank is typically rust colored and when I poured cle

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices

2012-06-02 Thread Allan Streib
When prices are fluctuating, I try to "dollar cost average." Rather than fill the tank, I buy a fixed dollar amount of fuel. That way I end up buying more fuel when it's cheaper, and less when it's expensive. Of course when prices are trending mostly up it makes more sense to fill up. Sort of a

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices

2012-06-02 Thread Allan Streib
Jim Cathey writes: >> So no, fuel prices have NOT doubled in the last 2 years, in 2005 I >> paid $2.57/gal for diesel, > > I bought my truck about 1999, I distinctly remember filling up > at $0.99/gallon, and getting change for a $20 bill. In the late 1990s yes, we were still seeing < $1.00/gal.

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices [was: Re: tire opinion] 0yhe3y7a

2012-06-02 Thread Dieselhead
I remember Diesel going over $5 in summer of 08 It really hurt. I had been putting $20 in a 5 gallon can, and when that went under 4 gallons, I went to $25 to get around 4 gallons. My recollection is that Diesel hit $5.239 or $5.259. I think gasoline hit $4.999 I remember gasoline being $1

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices

2012-06-02 Thread Jim Cathey
So no, fuel prices have NOT doubled in the last 2 years, in 2005 I paid $2.57/gal for diesel, I bought my truck about 1999, I distinctly remember filling up at $0.99/gallon, and getting change for a $20 bill. So, fuel _has_ quadrupled since then, I often don't get change for $100. (A full-up wo

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices

2012-06-02 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
It was under $2/gallon in 2009. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Interesting, ours hasn't been under $2/gal that I can remember since 2005. Of course I don't really pay attention to the price of gas, I may have missed it. -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:44:5

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices

2012-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond
Nice! When was oil trading deregulated so you could buy large amounts of it without having to have storage capacity? If you look at the '94-'12 graph you can see the wild swings develop... -Curt Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:16:34 -0500 From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices

2012-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond
Interesting, ours hasn't been under $2/gal that I can remember since 2005. Of course I don't really pay attention to the price of gas, I may have missed it. -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:44:55 -0600 From: Craig To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Petroleum prices [was: Re: tire opinion]

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond
I got my first 123 in 2002 and the tires were ~$65ea for cheapie onion skins. This year I paid ~$110ea for decent Falkans, not the bottom of the line, not even just one step up but certainly nothing I'd be excited to point out to somebody. Its a 240D after all. So nearly twice the price but I did